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Contact prints of b&w film

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Fabio BERETTA - 06 Feb 2004 21:32 GMT
I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
the real larger print.

I have arranged to have a glass to maintain the film in contact with the
paper but now I have no idea of the exposure time and aperture (I will
use the enalrger) to use.

Since it is the first time I do a print I would like to avoid time and
material waste.

Anyone could help in identifying the correct exposure/aperture?

Thanks,
Fabio BERETTA
Lecco - Italy
Dennis O'Connor - 06 Feb 2004 21:51 GMT
It depends upon the density of the negatives, the speed of your paper, which
filter you are using <if any> ...  But, for a start you might try f8 at 15
seconds...
denny
> I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
> the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
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> Fabio BERETTA
> Lecco - Italy
Fabio BERETTA - 06 Feb 2004 21:54 GMT
Dennis,

I will use Ilford RC Multigrade IV. No filter right now.

> It depends upon the density of the negatives, the speed of your paper, which
> filter you are using <if any> ...  But, for a start you might try f8 at 15
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>>Fabio BERETTA
>>Lecco - Italy
Dennis O'Connor - 06 Feb 2004 21:53 GMT
Oh, by the way... Cut a sheet into strips and use one strip at a time to
zero in on the correct aperture and time...  IF your time is over 30 seconds
go to a larger aperture, if it is under ten seconds go to a smaller, etc...
denny
> I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
> the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
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> Fabio BERETTA
> Lecco - Italy
Frank Calidonna - 06 Feb 2004 22:56 GMT
do a test with just one strip of film and a small strip of paper. Use a
piece of black paper as a mask. Set the aperature at two or three stops from
wide openand set the timer for five seconds.  Cover all but one frame with
the black paper the black paper and expose for five seconds. Uncover the
next frame and again expose for five seconds. Repeat for the next three or
four frames. Now you will have a test strip with frames exposed for 5, 10,
15, 20, 25, and maybe 30 seconds. Develop the strip of paper and pick the
frame that looks best. Use the corresponding time to proof the whole roll.
This isn't quite as good as picking the first frame where the edge of the
film matches the pure black next to it on the paper. But I can explain that
later. For now that should get you a decent proof sheet.

 Frank

> I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
> the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
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> Fabio BERETTA
> Lecco - Italy
jjs - 06 Feb 2004 23:05 GMT
> I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
> the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
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> Since it is the first time I do a print I would like to avoid time and
> material waste.

Perhaps a quick lesson in how to arrive at a feasible range of exposures
would help.

First make your best guess at exposure. It doesn't matter _where_ you start.
   If the outcome is too light, double the time.
   If it is too dark, half the time.
Repeat until the exposure is correct.

Your final print will represent the midrange of all likely applications you
will fine.
And believe me, you really will not be making many exposures. That's the way
the technique works.
Andrew McCall - 06 Feb 2004 23:24 GMT
>>I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
>>the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
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> And believe me, you really will not be making many exposures. That's the way
> the technique works.

If my logic works, you should always do it in less than 7 exposures -
and thats presuming you make the maximum amount.

Andrew McCall
jjs - 06 Feb 2004 23:44 GMT
> If my logic works, you should always do it in less than 7 exposures -
> and thats presuming you make the maximum amount.

Yep!

I should correct my post. He should start out with an underestimate - say
one second. That will take about the same number of steps as a high
estimate, but _less time_ than if you start out with a very large estimate.
(Time accumulates, darn it. :))

Say the outcome is seven seconds

1, 2, 4, 8, 4, 7        (6 steps and 26 seconds real time)
60, 30, 15, 7          (4 steps and 112 seconds real time)
120, 60, 30, 15, 7  (5 steps and 232 seconds real time)

It's about log, binary, the things we work with all the time.
d23 - 07 Feb 2004 01:16 GMT
What if the first guess is 10--too dark so divide by 2 & get 5.
5 is too light so multiply by 2 and get 10.  This could go on for ever.
You must have meant to go half way between the too dark time and the current
too light time.
Charles  Portland Or
Norman Worth - 07 Feb 2004 04:30 GMT
All of the above is decent advice.  The exposure will usually be about the
same as it would be for an enlargement of the same negatives.  Special
proofing frames are available that hold strips of 35mm film for contact
printing.  They are very convenient but not required to make proof sheets.

> I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
> the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
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> Fabio BERETTA
> Lecco - Italy
Mike King - 08 Feb 2004 17:40 GMT
If you are a consistent and careful worker you will have a "constant"
minimum exposure time for each type of film that you contact print.  A
little testing will determine that time.

Don't think of the materials and time you spend a "waste" but rather as a
investment in your craft.

I've said before that the most important piece of equipment for a darkroom
is a big garbage can.

--
darkroommike

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> I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
> the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
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> Fabio BERETTA
> Lecco - Italy
bob - 09 Feb 2004 15:18 GMT
Fabio BERETTA <beretfab**NOSPAM**@tin.it> wrote in news:NJTUb.268360
$_P.9137890@news4.tin.it:

> I would try tomorrow to make contact prints from a b&w 35mm film with
> the purpose of viewing the different photos (with a lens) before making
> the real larger print.

I found that using a #0 filter helps even out the contrast between dense
and thin negatives. Once you have found an exposure setting that works with
the 0 filter, it will work for almost every roll of film, so make a note of
it.

Bob
 
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