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mm - 02 Feb 2004 20:31 GMT
Hi,

I'm a 42yo male who has worn glasses most of his adult life
(near-sightedness, coupled with astygmatism). I hadn't used my darkroom
setup at home for about a year, until the other night. I had a problem
keeping my eyes focused on the images in the chemicals, under one of those
amber big bulb safelights. I've used the lamp for a couple of years, and it
seems to be as bright as it was new.

The problem was that everything would greadually become darker, until I had
to get out of the room to regain my sight. I know I'm getting old, but what
does this typify? Are there any eye docs in the house? Is this common? It
was disconcerting at best, and quite frankly, a little scary. I suppose I
could boost the the amount of safelight to accomodate this, but what might
these symptoms be telling me???

Thanks for any help....
jjs - 02 Feb 2004 22:01 GMT
> [...]
> The problem was that everything would greadually become darker, until I had
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> could boost the the amount of safelight to accomodate this, but what might
> these symptoms be telling me???

They are telling you to see a doctor! I've got twenty years on you, and I
have serious astigmatism and haven't experienced that.
Richard Knoppow - 03 Feb 2004 01:44 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Thanks for any help....

 I agree with the other answer. Get to a opthalmologist.
This is not normal.

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lloyd@the-wire.com - 03 Feb 2004 04:23 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>
>Thanks for any help....

feb204 from Lloyd Erlick,

Your symptoms are telling you to go pay good money to an
opthalmologist. It will be a huge bargain no matter what they charge
to tell you there's no problem. If there is a problem, it won't get
solved on Usenet! Delay is unwise, because as we all know, medical
conditions sometimes proceed quickly and painlessly.

I've paid a lot of attention to my eyesight as I've aged under the
safelight. In my case, eyestrain is mostly caused by trying too hard
to see where there just isn't enough light. That came from a
relatively bright safelight. When I was younger, I could see (although
I think I was still straining my eyes dong it). Now it hurts after a
while, and I find that by keeping my darkroom nearly dark, just a dim
red light for orientation, I don't try to see the image come up (one
of life's pleasures foregone) and I don't strain at all. And looking
at the projected image in the dark is a no-no too, unless it's
necessary. That's another thing I used to enjoy...

A baseball cap is eyestrain control device number one.

regards,
--le
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Lloyd Erlick Portraits,
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Toronto M4E 2C8 Canada.
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Dan Quinn - 03 Feb 2004 23:28 GMT
> When I was younger, I could see (although
> I think I was still straining my eyes dong it). Now it hurts after a
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>
> A baseball cap is eyestrain control device number one.

 Is anyone's darkroom setting so set in concrete that radical changes
in lighting can not be tried?
 Many years ago, in the 50s, there was an in town, photography store,
studio, laboratory. Portraits and some outside work were there work.
 The lab's processing area was amazedly brightly lit. There were four
large hanging safe lights. Three were over a lengthy resined plywood
walk-around sink. The fourth, perhaps brighter yet, was over a wall
sink. That one may have been used for inspection.
 That lab was a Graded Paper laboratory; could'nt really call it a
darkroom.
 Recalling all that, a couple of years ago I began a switch to graded
paper. I've now a rather bright yellow lit lab. Fog tests have showen
that the wattage can be further uped.                              Dan
Jorge Omar - 04 Feb 2004 00:14 GMT
I do not have a choice of graded papers, so I went the red LED way (real
red, not orange).
I feel I have plenty of light, more than I used to have with red bulbs
(never tried a Kodak or Ilford filter), and no fog after 10 min.

Jorge

>   Recalling all that, a couple of years ago I began a switch to graded
> paper. I've now a rather bright yellow lit lab. Fog tests have showen
> that the wattage can be further uped.                              Dan
Dan Quinn - 04 Feb 2004 10:06 GMT
> I do not have a choice of graded papers, so I went the red LED way (real
> red, not orange).
> I feel I have plenty of light, more than I used to have with red bulbs
> (never tried a Kodak or Ilford filter), and no fog after 10 min.

 If you are talking projection speed paper then here in the
USA we've no option but to import because Kodak, the only surviving
domestic producer of print paper, supplies only VC. We have a choice of
graded paper here because it is imported by distributors. You must not
have any distributors.
 My yen for a lighter, brighter darkroom is due to having been spoiled
at an early age. Few have had the opportunity to be so spoiled and
fewer still will have that opportunity in the future.               Dan

     Dan Quinn wrote
> >   Recalling all that, a couple of years ago I began a switch to graded
> > paper. I've now a rather bright yellow lit lab. Fog tests have showen
> > that the wattage can be further uped.                              Dan
Scott Schuckert - 04 Feb 2004 15:50 GMT
> Your symptoms are telling you to go pay good money to an
> opthalmologist. It will be a huge bargain no matter what they charge
> to tell you there's no problem. If there is a problem, it won't get
> solved on Usenet! Delay is unwise, because as we all know, medical
> conditions sometimes proceed quickly and painlessly.

Agreed and amplified.

I know quite a bit about eye problems; in addition to the usual
nearsightedness and astigmatism, I also suffer from glaucoma, corneal
dystrophy, and serous retinopathy. MY vision doesn't do that, nor does
any condition I heard about researching my diagnoses.

Consult an opthamologist. Do it now.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 04 Feb 2004 16:49 GMT
Night blindness:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003039.htm

If you are lucky you just need to eat more carrots.

Other reasons are cataracts, retinitis pigmentosa or sometimes
no particular reason at all.

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Nick Lindan
lloyd@the-wire.com - 05 Feb 2004 14:06 GMT
>... or sometimes
>no particular reason at all.

feb504 from Lloyd Erlick,

This is the one that really gets me about being human. It has to be
the reason for my gray(ing) hair, falling out hair, paunch, sore feet.
Try as I might, I can't connect any of these to any factors in the
real world.

regards,
--le
_______________________________________
Lloyd Erlick Portraits,
2219 Gerrard Street East, unit #1,
Toronto M4E 2C8 Canada.
                ---
voice 416-686-0326
lloyd@the-wire.com
http://www.heylloyd.com
_______________________________________
Michael Scarpitti - 04 Feb 2004 16:34 GMT
> Hi,
>
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>
> Thanks for any help....

1. Go to an eye doctor.

2. Get a Kodak 10 x 12 safelight, OC filter, and a long 40 watt bulb.
Mxsmanic - 04 Feb 2004 22:12 GMT
> The problem was that everything would greadually become darker, until I had
> to get out of the room to regain my sight. I know I'm getting old, but what
> does this typify?

Nyctalopia ... poor night vision.

In extremely dim light, if you stare at something without moving your
eyes at all, your vision will fade out completely in five to ten
seconds.  This results from fatigue in the cells of the retina.  Moving
your gaze, even slightly, restores the vision.  This is normal.

However, if you are seeing this fading out in situations where it hasn't
occurred before, and especially if this is a fairly recent change, you
should see an ophthalmologist, just to make sure it isn't anything
serious.  It's not normal for everything to go dark and stay that way
until you move into normal light, so you have to have that checked.
Common causes include easily correctible things like vitamin deficiency,
smoking, or use of alcohol, more difficult things to correct like
cataracts, or uncorrectible things like retinitis pigmentosa.

While the chances of it being something serious are relatively slim,
eyesight is so important that you really cannot afford to not have it
checked by a doctor.  Go to an ophthalmologist, NOT an optometrist.

> Is this common?

The symptoms you describe are unusual, although fading in very low light
when staring at something is normal.  Note that safelights for
black-and-white use do not qualify as "very low light" in this sense,
although some safelights used for color work (which are practically the
same as total darkness) do.

> It was disconcerting at best, and quite frankly, a little scary.

There isn't necessarily any connection between night blindness and
vision impairment in normal light, so don't panic.  But you do need to
get it checked.

> I suppose I could boost the the amount of safelight to accomodate
> this, but what might these symptoms be telling me???

The symptoms are telling you to see an opthalmologist.  Even the most
comprehensive eye exams are painless and pretty easy to conduct.

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jjs - 04 Feb 2004 22:48 GMT
> > The problem was that everything would greadually become darker, until I had
> > to get out of the room to regain my sight. I know I'm getting old, but what
> > does this typify?
>
> Nyctalopia ... poor night vision.

Now Mixmaster is a DOCTOR!
Mxsmanic - 05 Feb 2004 09:39 GMT
> Now Mixmaster is a DOCTOR!

Having a good vocabulary doesn't make one a doctor, although many
doctors have good vocabularies, either as the result of training or
simply because they are generally smart.

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Jon - 06 Feb 2004 08:01 GMT
>> Now Mixmaster is a DOCTOR!
>
> Having a good vocabulary doesn't make one a doctor, although many
> doctors have good vocabularies, either as the result of training or
> simply because they are generally smart.

That is one of the general characteristics of trolls: all knowing, all
seeing. Corner this troll and soon you will discover he knows nothing in
depth. Well, he knows irrationality well enough.

From his 'beg for a dollar page':

http://www.atkielski.com/inlink.php?/main/Donations.html

"I was wiped out by the current depression beginning in 2000, and I don't
currently have any income other than what I can earn from the modest
services I mention on my Web site (photography and related services, mainly,
and these are not very lucrative). I lost all my savings and retirement as
the result of multiple stock-market crashes, even though I had been assured
countless times that these investments were safe."

A buffoon that doesn't understand that the stock market works on risk...

You got exactly what you deserved, troll.

Any other brilliant ideas, genius?
Mxsmanic - 06 Feb 2004 11:14 GMT
> That is one of the general characteristics of trolls: all knowing, all
> seeing.

It's a characteristic of very smart and/or very well educated people as
well.

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Jon - 08 Feb 2004 09:41 GMT
> From: Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com>
> Organization: None
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> It's a characteristic of very smart and/or very well educated people as
> well.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha!

Unfortunately, that is not the case regarding you.

The 'Titan of the Trolls' is a good description...

Have many suckers donate a $1 to your pathetic existence?
 
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