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Mark Thomas - 16 Jul 2008 09:40 GMT Herewith some images to prove two things:
1. I do get out and push the button occasionally 2. Sometimes, either nothing inspires me, or I just take bad images...
Below are some of the ones I'm throwing away this fortnight.
However, on a more positive note, I'm going through my old slides - a task I begin every six months or so (and then give up after the first 4 boxes or so..) and have re-discovered some shots taken long ago with a view to panorama-ing. Not, not linear, sadly, but they might look ok.
I shall fire up the old film-scanner, and hopefully post some results soon.
Anyway, may I suggest to other lurkers/posters - how about some new threads on interesting (non-personal) issues? This is my contribution to trying to get back on track.
Constructive criticism welcome, but frankly I already know what some of the problems are with these... )O:
http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/surreality.jpg http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/treehugger.jpg http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/what_is_that.jpg http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/xmarksthespot.jpg
...Sigh. Maybe next week.
Jeff R. - 16 Jul 2008 09:59 GMT > I shall fire up the old film-scanner, and hopefully post some results > soon. > Anyway, may I suggest to other lurkers/posters - how about some new > threads on interesting (non-personal) issues? This is my contribution > to trying to get back on track. Sure. How about slide-scanning issues.
I have an HP film scanner and an Epson you-beaut-4490-scanner with transparency lid. (Its a flatbed, but does a good job with slides)
Preferences? Which would you use?
I used the Epson on some of my 6x4.5 trannies and was gabberflasted at how well the "digital ice" got rid of the dust and such... yet the HP is a dedicated film machine, and should (at least) do a better job.
Both are exruciatingly slow.
This is a problem, since I have over 60,000 slides to scan. (I sh.t you not - Dear old Dad only shot transparencies. Well - he stopped making prints in about 1950.)
I have no delusions about scanning all of these in my lifetime, but I'd like to make a dent in the pile.
Which machine would you use? What resolution would you use for 35mm slides? (Dad took razor-sharp shots, mostly on KII) How would you store the resultant files? (what format, what medium..) How much post-processing would you do?
Enough worms out's the can for now?
(I have opinions on all of the above, of course, but I always welcome critique.... ...now where have I heard that before?)
-- Jeff R.
Mark Thomas - 16 Jul 2008 11:01 GMT > Sure. > How about slide-scanning issues. Yep, I used to hang out on comp.periphs.scanners, so I can offer opinions with the best of them..
> I have an HP film scanner I'm guessing it's their S20? - the 2400ppi one?
> and an Epson you-beaut-4490-scanner with > transparency lid. (Its a flatbed, but does a good job with slides) > > Preferences? > Which would you use? Hmm. The Epson claims higher-res, but in fact the HP might have a slight edge on sharpness - only scanning a couple at the maximum optical res and comparing them will tell you that. The difference in 'true' resolution for film v. flatbed scanners is much worse than comparing p&s with DSLR... the Epsons claimed 4800 ppi is almost certainly reduced depending on its optical path, ie thru glass whereas the HP is direct...
Then there's grain-aliasing - but don't get me started on that one - it's one of my pet topics. Down boy..!
So your choice might be more about the speed of the process and the quality of the colours. I'd suggest you do quite a few colour checks and comparisons. Of the scanners I have used, an old Olympus one had the best colours, followed by Nikon, then Minolta, then my Acer, then Canon. Never tried the Epson or HP.
It all depends on what is most important to you, and what the scans will be used for.
> I used the Epson on some of my 6x4.5 trannies and was gabberflasted at > how well the "digital ice" got rid of the dust and such... Hrmph. Digital Ice is only useful if your film is dusty, or you don't want to spend eternity mindlessly cloning out dust... It *is* pretty cool, but I try not to think about it as my Acer doesn't have it..
> yet the HP is > a dedicated film machine, and should (at least) do a better job. > > Both are exruciatingly slow. There's the rub. I had great intentions of scanning everything in my collection when I bought my f-scanner (An Acer 2700ppi thing that is actually surprisingly good). And I had a lot of fun for about six months, getting the hang of it, and frequently re-doing my scans as I learnt more. And when I discovered Ed Hamrick's Vuescan program, it made a big difference to the quality I could extract from difficult images, so another re-scan...
The Acer is quite fast, and does 4 at a time (maybe 10 minutes for each 4... ok, that isn't very fast..!)
But finally, I came to the conclusion that I should stop imagining that I would scan everything in one go. My time is important, and I truly do have a life! So nowadays I only scan slides that I stumble over as I browse my collection, or when I think of/need one in particular.
When I do scan, I *always* scan at the maximum resolution of 2700, because I have got fairly good technique (modesty permits), and the vast majority of my images are sharp right up to that resolution. Then there are those that deserve better - I used to do a lot of landscape work on K25, K64 and a little Velvia with prime lenses and sturdy tripod... Those slides, eg this sorta thing: http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/cazneauxtree.jpg ..deserve better, so I either get them done professionally, or I have been known to borrow/rent a 4000 or 5400 ppi scanner. That cazneaux shot *clearly* outruns my 2700ppi scanner in both resolution and lens quality. (Forgive my immodesty, but it is an absolute knockout when projected with a good lens - a projected K25 is *the* way to demonstrate what 35mm film is capable of..)
> This is a problem, since I have over 60,000 slides to scan. (I sh.t you > not - Dear old Dad only shot transparencies. Well - he stopped making > prints in about 1950.) Give up the dream, now! It's not going to happen! Tell me, are they sorted/organised?
> I have no delusions about scanning all of these in my lifetime, but I'd > like to make a dent in the pile. I'd be spending my time going through them to weed the winners to the top. If they are nailed K25's, for example, sharp across the frame, they will want better quality than your scanners, unless you only want the scans for web use or prints up to say 7x5. Depends on your idea of quality, but I used to think of a 24-2700 ppi film scan giving truly-really sharp results only to about 7x5, and a 4000 ppi scan for 11x8. Drum scanning for anything else, I reckon! But my standards are high, so ymmv. (despite those last few images I posted.. (O:)
> Which machine would you use? > What resolution would you use for 35mm slides? (Dad took razor-sharp > shots, mostly on KII) Think I have answered those as best I can. In summary...
dunno.
> How would you store the resultant files? (what format, what medium..) 16-bit TIFF or raw depending on your scanner's abilities to do so.
> How much post-processing would you do? None, other than ICE. Just keep the originals. As your abilities get better, you will want to re-do them anyway. I usually go back to old processed images of mine merely to say "Oh, no, what sort of an amateur does *that*???" and re-do them from scratch.
> Enough worms out's the can for now? Nah, keep 'em coming.
> (I have opinions on all of the above, of course, but I always welcome > critique.... ...now where have I heard that before?) I'll be very interested to hear how those opinions line up/diverge!
Cheers, mate. One more Bundy and Coke before I retire, so don't expect too much sanity from here on...
Mark t
Jeff R. - 16 Jul 2008 11:35 GMT > I'm guessing it's their S20? - the 2400ppi one? Yup.
>> and an Epson you-beaut-4490-scanner with >> transparency lid. (Its a flatbed, but does a good job with slides) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > certainly reduced depending on its optical path, ie thru glass > whereas the HP is direct... At the other end of production - years ago, when I bought my first "photo-quality" Epson printer (Geez it made nice prints) I didn't believe their claims of many-thousands-of-dots-per-inch (I forget what they actually claimed) resolution, so I did a test. Found a really fine, detailed image and printed it at 200dpi, then at the printer's max (many "thou"). Could not spot the difference under a microscope. Seriously! Literally! They were identical. ...and I *did* specify the high-res print correctly.
I have since taken all resolution claims with a grain of salt.
>> I used the Epson on some of my 6x4.5 trannies and was gabberflasted >> at how well the "digital ice" got rid of the dust and such... > Hrmph. Digital Ice is only useful if your film is dusty, or you don't > want to spend eternity mindlessly cloning out dust... It *is* pretty > cool, but I try not to think about it as my Acer doesn't have it.. Hrmpphh indeed - but - how the smeg are you supposed to get rid of dust pre-scan, anyway? I've tried every solution known to man, and cannot get rid of the lot. ICE did it painlessly and quickly.
> When I do scan, I *always* scan at the maximum resolution of 2700, > because I have got fairly good technique (modesty permits), and the > vast majority of my images are sharp right up to that resolution. Agreed.
> Then there are those that deserve better - I used to do a lot of > landscape work on K25, K64 and a little Velvia with prime lenses and > sturdy tripod... Those slides, eg this sorta thing: > http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/cazneauxtree.jpg Damn! That's pretty. Hans Heysen would be happy.
> ..deserve better, so I either get them done professionally, or I have > been known to borrow/rent a 4000 or 5400 ppi scanner. That cazneaux > shot *clearly* outruns my 2700ppi scanner in both resolution and lens > quality. (Forgive my immodesty, but it is an absolute knockout when > projected with a good lens - a projected K25 is *the* way to > demonstrate what 35mm film is capable of..) Sighhhh. I know. So did Dad. Hence the mass of slides.
>> This is a problem, since I have over 60,000 slides to scan. (I sh.t >> you not - Dear old Dad only shot transparencies. Well - he stopped >> making prints in about 1950.) > Give up the dream, now! It's not going to happen! Tell me, are they > sorted/organised? Yes - than heavens. Chronologically and indexed by subject. Dad had always kept them organised as he shot them, but on top of that, he spent the first two years of his retirement typing up the index.
>> I have no delusions about scanning all of these in my lifetime, but >> I'd like to make a dent in the pile. > I'd be spending my time going through them to weed the winners to the > top. If they are nailed K25's, for example, sharp across the frame, > they will want better quality than your scanners, unless you only want > the scans for web use or prints up to say 7x5. They are, as you describe, "nailed K25s, sharp across the frame." Dunno about the home scanner only being good to 7x5. I think that's a bit pessimistic.
> Depends on your idea > of quality, but I used to think of a 24-2700 ppi film scan giving > truly-really sharp results only to about 7x5, and a 4000 ppi scan for > 11x8. Drum scanning for anything else, I reckon! But my standards > are high, so ymmv. (despite those last few images I posted.. (O:) I don't like fuzzy stuff - but I draw the line at engaging a drum scanner. KISS.
>> How would you store the resultant files? (what format, what >> medium..) > 16-bit TIFF or raw depending on your scanner's abilities to do so. and the medium?
HDD, DVD, CD, punched card?
>> How much post-processing would you do? > None, other than ICE. Just keep the originals. As your abilities get > better, you will want to re-do them anyway. I usually go back to old > processed images of mine merely to say "Oh, no, what sort of an > amateur does *that*???" and re-do them from scratch. Agreed. Besides which - the time!
>> Enough worms out's the can for now? > Nah, keep 'em coming. OK. Dwell a little on *medium* (mentioned above) How do you store your images for (much) later retrieval? What is the oldest file you have at hand, which you are *sure* you can retrieve? Reliably?
I ask (other than the obvious reasons - 1000s of images I don't want to lose) mainly because I recently (a few years ago) disposed of my late grandfather's assets (he died in '66) and discovered some glass plate negs which date back to 1910-20's. Some of them were in perfect condition. I mean *perfect*! Some, OTOH, were fungus-ridden and/or moth(?) eaten, but still recoverable. I wonder how retrievable my images will be in 2100AD. Not that *I* will care, but my great-great-grandchildren might.
> Cheers, mate. One more Bundy and Coke before I retire, so don't > expect too much sanity from here on... (Sad confession time) Spick 'n' Specks is on now - so I'm off...
 Signature Jeff R. (no time to proofread - E.&O.E.)
Mark Thomas - 16 Jul 2008 12:10 GMT > At the other end of production - years ago, when I bought my first > "photo-quality" Epson printer (Geez it made nice prints) I remember the shock I felt when I put a sheet of glossy into my old Epson 640 - I realised that digtial imaging had truly come of age that day! But then after some years and driving my beloved Epson 1270 into the ground, I'm a bit over the ink costs... So back to the printing labs.. (O:
> Hrmpphh indeed - but - how the smeg are you supposed to get rid of dust > pre-scan, anyway? My method involves very gentle use of a microfibre cloth and a funny little antistatic gun from my days playing with hi-fi's and vinyl lps, etc. But no that technique doesn't work either. But I've got to be preety fast at cloning, I can pretty much do it with one hand while doing something else.
>> Then there are those that deserve better - I used to do a lot of >> landscape work on K25, K64 and a little Velvia with prime lenses and >> sturdy tripod... Those slides, eg this sorta thing: >> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/cazneauxtree.jpg > > Damn! That's pretty. Thanks. It's probably my favorite.
> Hans Heysen would be happy. Speaking of dad's, mine (now long gone) told me that HH couldn't paint animal faces, because had I noticed that always the cattle/horses are facing away in his paintings..? I must go look at an HH gallery to see if he was just having me on..
> They are, as you describe, "nailed K25s, sharp across the frame." > Dunno about the home scanner only being good to 7x5. I think that's a > bit pessimistic. You're sort of right, I must admit that I was thinking about tests I did on print film, not slide, and the grain-aliasing was a limiting issue. On K25's, you should get 'reasonable' 11 x 8's. Do you have a DSLR to compare them with, just out of interest? We could re-ignite some old arguments about the 'equivalence' of film scans and digital...
> I don't like fuzzy stuff - but I draw the line at engaging a drum > scanner. KISS. And the problem with drum scanners is that roughly 1 in 10 of the drum scanning services is run by anyone who actually knows what they are doing...
>>> How would you store the resultant files? (what format, what >>> medium..) >> 16-bit TIFF or raw depending on your scanner's abilities to do so. > > and the medium? Ah, you noticed I avoided that bit.. Dang. It's because i don't really have an answer. Although I think that the price of poratbale HD storage is now so reasonable it is hard not to go down that path, perhaps with (good quality) DVD's as backup.
My rather crappy approach is to simply keep the best shots always on my main hard drive, and then to progressively archive the remaining keepers to DVD. I have two drums of different brand DVD's, and make two copies to be sure, to be sure.
Maybe one day punched card will be good enough, but right now, it's just too new a technology..
> How do you store your images for (much) later retrieval? > What is the oldest file you have at hand, which you are *sure* you can > retrieve? Reliably? Having been bitten twice - once by a rapid and nasty hard drive failure, and another time from a CD failure, and losing in total about a hundred or so digital images (including about ten or so that really hurt), I now keep two copies of everything. Every six months or so I do a quick, but thorough check - to see all files on each DVD are readable.
I don't have a huge collection (I'm not that good!), so it is pretty easy to manage.
> I ask (other than the obvious reasons - 1000s of images I don't want to > lose) mainly because I recently (a few years ago) disposed of my late > grandfather's assets (he died in '66) and discovered some glass plate > negs which date back to 1910-20's. Some of them were in perfect > condition. I mean *perfect*! Some, OTOH, were fungus-ridden and/or > moth(?) eaten, but still recoverable. I too have seen many, many images from my family's archives that have simply been lost, or degraded terribly over the years (can you say ektachrome/agfa/konica slides...), plus lost negatives, yellow prints fungus, etc. Digital has it's problems, but at last if you know what you are doing, you *can* keep perfect copies indefinitely. Whether 'can' translates to 'do', is another matter.
> I wonder how retrievable my images will be in 2100AD. Not that *I* will > care, but my great-great-grandchildren might. Exactly. But I have to say it's probably just as well that a lot of the digital images will be lost as time goes by, because people (myself included) do keep a lot of crap... (O:
Hopefully the good'uns will attract a little extra care..
> (Sad confession time) > Spick 'n' Specks is on now - so I'm off... I knew you were a bloke with impeccable taste - my favorite show!!! Thanks for the reminder and I'm off too!
Jeff R. - 16 Jul 2008 13:59 GMT >> Hrmpphh indeed - but - how the smeg are you supposed to get rid of >> dust pre-scan, anyway? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > preety fast at cloning, I can pretty much do it with one hand while > doing something else. Uh huh. With the volume I'm going to do, I can't afford the time it will take to de-dust manually. I agree - cloning out the dust on the keepers will do.
> Speaking of dad's, mine (now long gone) told me that HH couldn't paint > animal faces, because had I noticed that always the cattle/horses are > facing away in his paintings..? I must go look at an HH gallery to > see if he was just having me on.. Not definitive, but the 15-20 I just looked at seem to bear him out.
>.. Do you have a DSLR to > compare them with, just out of interest?
:-) Oh yeah. A couple.
> We could re-ignite some old > arguments about the 'equivalence' of film scans and digital... Hmmm... Maybe I'm a lousy film-scanner, or maybe I've got really good digital cameras, but....
(never mind)
> And the problem with drum scanners is that roughly 1 in 10 of the drum > scanning services is run by anyone who actually knows what they are > doing... That too. ...and... how would you drum scan cardboard-mounted KIIs? No way I'm taking them out of their mounts.
>> and the medium? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > perhaps with > (good quality) DVD's as backup. I think HDDs with reasonably frequent re-copying - plus multiple copies of course - is the way to go. I have some Kodak CDs I burnt over 12 years ago (huge astronomy AVIs) and they're holding out well - no dropouts or fails at all (touch wood). That's about 20 CDs in all. They are the oldest digital files I've got.
-but-
I worked for Fujitsu (FAL, as it was then) in a previous incarnation, and at that time they were only prepared to warrant their top-of-the-line optical storage for ten years max - and that was multi-squillion dollar systems. (Of course, they didn't acknowledge PCs in those days.) No idea what they reckon the "working lifetime" of optical disks is now.
My history with HDDs is not real encouraging. I haven't tended to *keep* them more than a few years, as capacity is shooting up as prices plummet, so I can't guess how long the current crop will last. Having said that, I've got a couple of TBytes of off-line backup tied up in a handful of HDD drives in external cases.
I check 'em every now and then, but...
I keep thinking of Granddad's glass plate negs. Still *perfect*, nearly 100 years later. No fancy software/hardware needed to retrieve them - just a tranny scanner - or a dSLR with macro.
I think the storage problem is going to hit the digital fan real soon now - unless someone comes up with a neat solution. (Says the bloke who spent $100s on Zip drives...)
> I have two drums of different brand DVD's, and make two > copies to be sure, to be sure. I've been bitten by crappy DVDs too often to be complacent about them. Been known to throw out whole spindles of them.
> Maybe one day punched card will be good enough, but right now, it's > just too new a technology.. Yup. I'll be in that.
Bidies time.
 Signature Jeff R.
Doug Jewell - 16 Jul 2008 12:51 GMT > At the other end of production - years ago, when I bought my first > "photo-quality" Epson printer (Geez it made nice prints) I didn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I have since taken all resolution claims with a grain of salt. What you did wrong was mistake PPI (Pixels Per Inch) for DPI (Dots Per Inch). All of the inkjet manufacturers make their claim in DPI, but pretty rare to find a PPI rating for any of them. There is a difference because of the way they print. When a printer puts a dot on paper it is either there or not there, they can't control the density of the ink they put out. So each dot either has 100% ink or no ink. If we expand it to a CMY process, each dot can have one of 7 colours - a long way from the 16 million shades a JPG can contain. To create different shades, they have to use a group of dots, some of which are on, and some are off. Because of the number of dots needed to create a wide range of shades, the minimum size of a pixel is much larger than the size of a dot - or IOW the PPI is a much lower figure than the DPI. Note that the above is a simplification - in practice dots are overlaid on each other as well, further complicating things. Suffice to say that a 4800dpi printer has dots that are significantly larger than 1/4800". I'm not aware of any inkjet printer manufacturer that advertises what the achievable PPI is, but I would be surprised if any are able to achieve significantly higher than 300PPI. What is true about the high DPI printers is their colour accuracy and fine colour contrast increases. Their achievable PPI may not be significantly higher, but the improved colour rendition will still be a benefit. This is most easily observed in areas of pale colour - the older printers would have clearly visible dots, whereas the newer high resolution printers can achieve subtle pale colours.
Because of this method of dot based printing, it is not meaninful to directly compare the DPI of different printing technologies. Photographic printers (such as the Fuji Frontier), or Dye-Sub printers (such as the Kodak printer docks) usually have a print resolution of 300 DPI. The difference here is that every one of those dots can have an infinitely variable density, so they only need one dot to make one pixel. This is why a 300DPI frontier print will look pretty much identical to a 4800dpi Canon or Epson print. <snip>
> (Sad confession time) > Spick 'n' Specks is on now - so I'm off... It's finished so I'm back, although only half here cos gruen transfer is on.
Jeff R. - 16 Jul 2008 14:03 GMT > What you did wrong was mistake PPI (Pixels Per Inch) for DPI > (Dots Per Inch). All of the inkjet manufacturers make their [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > or not there, they can't control the density of the ink they > put out. <snip>
Yup. I nutted most of that out later. Fact remains, though, that 200dpi (indicated) seemed the limit of quality the old Epson could crank out. No complaints, mind. That looked fine, and I now use that figure (200dpi) as a guide to required image size for printing - large posters notwithstanding.
Thanks for the detail.
 Signature Jeff R.
k - 17 Jul 2008 01:08 GMT | > I shall fire up the old film-scanner, and hopefully post some results | > soon. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] | Preferences? | Which would you use?
| Both are exruciatingly slow. to be honest?
Scanners made sense in the pre digital camera days, but if you have a digicam, can use a light box and have a macro lens/bellows/slide duplicator then use it to digitise your slide collection :) a lot less time taken per shot and if you do a manual white balance on the light source first and expose manually without adjusting (much) for variations (your exposures were good on film, right?) then you'll be laughing!
Shoot in RAW, import into Vuescan or your cameras raw processor for adjustment then export via Neatimage to pretty up the pics :)
re dust, same deal as with printing from film - take a moment to clean the slides first.
karl
Mark Thomas - 17 Jul 2008 02:43 GMT While there is some truth in this..
> Scanners made sense in the pre digital camera days and still do.. because..
> if you have a digicam (of sufficient capability)
> can use a light box (which has a nice clean and wide light spectrum)
> and have a macro lens/bellows/slide duplicator (that will give flat-field results at sufficient magnification, and/or has sufficient d-o-f given the light source/f-stop, to handle curved slides like the Kodachromes Jeff has)
> a lot less time taken per shot I can load 4 slides into my film-scanner and click. I can then do something else in the time it takes, and for each image it autofocuses, auto-white-balances (if that is what I want), auto-exposes and in Jeff's case, removes the dust and scratches. Your method may do some of that but not all, and you have to load every single slide.
And there are several film scanners with batchfeed capability, and many people buy these on Ebay, use it to scan their collection, then sell it for roughly the same price.
> and if you do a manual white balance on the light source first and > expose manually without adjusting (much) for variations (your exposures were > good on film, right?) Not in my case. (O:
> re dust, same deal as with printing from film - take a moment to clean the > slides first. If they are old, 'normally' stored slides, this is neither simple nor entirely effective.
Lastly, if we throw negatives into the equation, film-scanners normally have built-in compensation for the mask colour. Neutralising the orange/tan/whatever mask on a negative is no fun in post-proc.
Doug Jewell - 16 Jul 2008 10:59 GMT > Herewith some images to prove two things: > > 1. I do get out and push the button occasionally I'm suffering camera withdrawal at the moment. My GX10 is _still_ away (about 8 weeks now), and now the S2IS has gone south. I went out on Monday with the MZ60 loaded with Sensia and took a few shots, but then the weather turned sour. Fantastic way to spend a much-needed holiday - stuck at home while it pours down rain, and if I do take a photo, I'll have to wait til I get down to brisvegas to drop my slides into PC before I can see the results. On the plus side, I have used my shiny new 18-35 for some ultra-wide shots on the MZ60 - hopefully the weather will clear up and I'll be able to get out and put the ultrawide to some good use. Another positive is that I got a call from Samsung - the GX10 is getting replaced - just not sure how long it will take for the replacement to come. Fingers crossed it will be soon.
> 2. Sometimes, either nothing inspires me, or I just take bad images... I know the feeling well. At least the model trains are getting a good bit of work done on them.
> Below are some of the ones I'm throwing away this fortnight. <snip>
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/surreality.jpg > http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/treehugger.jpg > http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/what_is_that.jpg > http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/xmarksthespot.jpg Treehugger is my favourite of that set. Other than the small area of blown highlights, IMO that shot isn't a throw-away (unless you've got a better version of it).
> ...Sigh. Maybe next week. Mark Thomas - 16 Jul 2008 23:35 GMT > I'm suffering camera withdrawal at the moment. My GX10 is _still_ away > (about 8 weeks now) I'm guessing Samsung probably won't be expecting any repeat business from you...
>, and now the S2IS has gone south. What happened there?
> I'll > have to wait til I get down to brisvegas to drop my slides into PC > before I can see the results. It's hard to go back to the old ways. My magnesium flash hardly gets an outing these days, either... (O:
> On the plus side, I have used my shiny new 18-35 for some ultra-wide > shots on the MZ60 - hopefully the weather will clear up and I'll be able > to get out and put the ultrawide to some good use. Well, it's a nice sunny day today here, but I have a schedule that does not include much room for photography. Never mind.
> Another positive is that I got a call from Samsung - the GX10 is getting > replaced - just not sure how long it will take for the replacement to > come. That's a good result, but the delay is not acceptable imo. I hope you have told Samsung what you think...
> I know the feeling well. At least the model trains are getting a good > bit of work done on them. I've been meaning to get back into models again myself (double meaning notwithstanding), but the ones I prefer are aircraft. My pride and joy was a 1/24 scale Spitfire that I had painstakingly detailed - everything, right down to small engine parts and cockpit details, was painted as authentically as I could research - my eyesight was a lot better then...
> Treehugger is my favourite of that set. Other than the small area of > blown highlights, IMO that shot isn't a throw-away (unless you've got a > better version of it). Thanks, yes, I could do a little better with the highlights, but it just isn't quite what I'm after. I want a 'companion image' to go with this one: http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/eucalypt_v2.jpg
I'll keep looking/trying..
Doug Jewell - 17 Jul 2008 07:20 GMT >> I'm suffering camera withdrawal at the moment. My GX10 is _still_ away >> (about 8 weeks now) > I'm guessing Samsung probably won't be expecting any repeat business > from you... Possibly - I got an exceptional deal on the GX10 as a bit of a contra arrangement. Yeah 8 weeks is a long time to be without a camera, but the best part of a grand off retail price softens the blow somewhat.
> >, and now the S2IS has gone south. > What happened there? Lent it to the mother-in-law, and next time I went to use it the power switch popped off. Fixable, and probably inexpensive to fix, just not 100% sure I want to bother. It does make an extremely good video camera though, and with the price 2GB cards are now, it beats stuffing around with tapes, so I may get it fixed. Alternatively I might spring for an S5IS - not 100% sure yet.
>> I'll have to wait til I get down to brisvegas to drop my slides into >> PC before I can see the results. > > It's hard to go back to the old ways. My magnesium flash hardly gets an > outing these days, either... (O: I don't mind using slide, although it took a while to get out of the habit of looking at the back of the camera! The painful thing is that there is nowhere local I can get it processed. Reala is my other film of choice - it can be processed locally, but not with the type of quality I'd like. Digital has comprehensively killed the quality film labs unfortunately. But I guess, I'm partly responsible - I think I'm on my 3rd roll since I got my DSLR a year ago. I told myself I was going to continue to use film, and I still far prefer a nice slide over digital, but digital is just so damned convenient.
>> On the plus side, I have used my shiny new 18-35 for some ultra-wide >> shots on the MZ60 - hopefully the weather will clear up and I'll be >> able to get out and put the ultrawide to some good use. > > Well, it's a nice sunny day today here, but I have a schedule that does > not include much room for photography. Never mind. Yeah today is nice here too, but She Who Must Be Obeyed put an end to any photographic expeditions :-(
>> Another positive is that I got a call from Samsung - the GX10 is >> getting replaced - just not sure how long it will take for the >> replacement to come. > > That's a good result, but the delay is not acceptable imo. I hope you > have told Samsung what you think... Lets just say I tried pretty hard to get a GX20.
>> I know the feeling well. At least the model trains are getting a good >> bit of work done on them. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > painted as authentically as I could research - my eyesight was a lot > better then... I went through an aircraft phase, truth be known it is still hiding in the back recesses of my mind. If I go back into it I'll be more focussed on the ones that can fly. Good thing about having kids - gives you a good excuse to get into all the toys again :-P
>> Treehugger is my favourite of that set. Other than the small area of >> blown highlights, IMO that shot isn't a throw-away (unless you've got >> a better version of it). > Thanks, yes, I could do a little better with the highlights, but it just > isn't quite what I'm after. I want a 'companion image' to go with this one: > http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/eucalypt_v2.jpg I like the composition and exposure there, but the white dots on the leaves jump out at me. Perhaps it looks better at higher resolution. I had a similar issue when I took: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/1414658332/ The white spots in the grass really spoil it for me. They're not too bad in that shot, but some of the others that I took at about the same time really showed it up bad. If memory serves I think I used a polariser in that photo, which reduced them slightly.
> I'll keep looking/trying..
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