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Mark Thomas - 16 Jul 2008 09:40 GMT
Herewith some images to prove two things:

1. I do get out and push the button occasionally
2. Sometimes, either nothing inspires me, or I just take bad images...

Below are some of the ones I'm throwing away this fortnight.

However, on a more positive note, I'm going through my old slides - a
task I begin every six months or so (and then give up after the first 4
boxes or so..) and have re-discovered some shots taken long ago with a
view to panorama-ing.  Not, not linear, sadly, but they might look ok.

I shall fire up the old film-scanner, and hopefully post some results soon.

Anyway, may I suggest to other lurkers/posters - how about some new
threads on interesting (non-personal) issues?  This is my contribution
to trying to get back on track.

Constructive criticism welcome, but frankly I already know what some of
the problems are with these...  )O:

http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/surreality.jpg
http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/treehugger.jpg
http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/what_is_that.jpg
http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/xmarksthespot.jpg

...Sigh.  Maybe next week.
Jeff R. - 16 Jul 2008 09:59 GMT
> I shall fire up the old film-scanner, and hopefully post some results
> soon.
> Anyway, may I suggest to other lurkers/posters - how about some new
> threads on interesting (non-personal) issues?  This is my contribution
> to trying to get back on track.

Sure.
How about slide-scanning issues.

I have an HP film scanner and an Epson you-beaut-4490-scanner with
transparency lid. (Its a flatbed, but does a good job with slides)

Preferences?
Which would you use?

I used the Epson on some of my 6x4.5 trannies and was gabberflasted at how
well the "digital ice" got rid of the dust and such... yet the HP is a
dedicated film machine, and should (at least) do a better job.

Both are exruciatingly slow.

This is a problem, since I have over 60,000 slides to scan.  (I sh.t you
not - Dear old Dad only shot transparencies.  Well - he stopped making
prints in about 1950.)

I have no delusions about scanning all of these in my lifetime, but I'd like
to make a dent in the pile.

Which machine would you use?
What resolution would you use for 35mm slides?  (Dad took razor-sharp shots,
mostly on KII)
How would you store the resultant files?  (what format, what medium..)
How much post-processing would you do?

Enough worms out's the can for now?

(I have opinions on all of the above, of course, but I always welcome
critique....   ...now where have I heard that before?)

--
Jeff R.
Mark Thomas - 16 Jul 2008 11:01 GMT
> Sure.
> How about slide-scanning issues.
Yep, I used to hang out on comp.periphs.scanners, so I can offer
opinions with the best of them..

> I have an HP film scanner
I'm guessing it's their S20? - the 2400ppi one?

> and an Epson you-beaut-4490-scanner with
> transparency lid. (Its a flatbed, but does a good job with slides)
>
> Preferences?
> Which would you use?
Hmm. The Epson claims higher-res, but in fact the HP might have a slight
edge on sharpness - only scanning a couple at the maximum optical res
and comparing them will tell you that.  The difference in 'true'
resolution for film v. flatbed scanners is much worse than comparing p&s
with DSLR... the Epsons claimed 4800 ppi is almost certainly reduced
depending on its optical path, ie thru glass whereas the HP is direct...

Then there's grain-aliasing - but don't get me started on that one -
it's one of my pet topics.  Down boy..!

So your choice might be more about the speed of the process and the
quality of the colours.  I'd suggest you do quite a few colour checks
and comparisons.  Of the scanners I have used, an old Olympus one had
the best colours, followed by Nikon, then Minolta, then my Acer, then
Canon.  Never tried the Epson or HP.

It all depends on what is most important to you, and what the scans will
be used for.

> I used the Epson on some of my 6x4.5 trannies and was gabberflasted at
> how well the "digital ice" got rid of the dust and such...
Hrmph.  Digital Ice is only useful if your film is dusty, or you don't
want to spend eternity mindlessly cloning out dust...  It *is* pretty
cool, but I try not to think about it as my Acer doesn't have it..

> yet the HP is
> a dedicated film machine, and should (at least) do a better job.
>
> Both are exruciatingly slow.
There's the rub.  I had great intentions of scanning everything in my
collection when I bought my f-scanner (An Acer 2700ppi thing that is
actually surprisingly good).  And I had a lot of fun for about six
months, getting the hang of it, and frequently re-doing my scans as I
learnt more.  And when I discovered Ed Hamrick's Vuescan program, it
made a big difference to the quality I could extract from difficult
images, so another re-scan...

The Acer is quite fast, and does 4 at a time (maybe 10 minutes for each
4... ok, that isn't very fast..!)

But finally, I came to the conclusion that I should stop imagining that
I would scan everything in one go.  My time is important, and I truly do
have a life!  So nowadays I only scan slides that I stumble over as I
browse my collection, or when I think of/need one in particular.

When I do scan, I *always* scan at the maximum resolution of 2700,
because I have got fairly good technique (modesty permits), and the vast
majority of my images are sharp right up to that resolution.  Then there
are those that deserve better - I used to do a lot of landscape work on
K25, K64 and a little Velvia with prime lenses and sturdy tripod...
Those slides, eg this sorta thing:
http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/cazneauxtree.jpg
..deserve better, so I either get them done professionally, or I have
been known to borrow/rent a 4000 or 5400 ppi scanner.  That cazneaux
shot *clearly* outruns my 2700ppi scanner in both resolution and lens
quality.  (Forgive my immodesty, but it is an absolute knockout when
projected with a good lens - a projected K25 is *the* way to demonstrate
what 35mm film is capable of..)

> This is a problem, since I have over 60,000 slides to scan.  (I sh.t you
> not - Dear old Dad only shot transparencies.  Well - he stopped making
> prints in about 1950.)
Give up the dream, now!  It's not going to happen!  Tell me, are they
sorted/organised?

> I have no delusions about scanning all of these in my lifetime, but I'd
> like to make a dent in the pile.
I'd be spending my time going through them to weed the winners to the
top.  If they are nailed K25's, for example, sharp across the frame,
they will want better quality than your scanners, unless you only want
the scans for web use or prints up to say 7x5.  Depends on your idea of
quality, but I used to think of a 24-2700 ppi film scan giving
truly-really sharp results only to about 7x5, and a 4000 ppi scan for
11x8.  Drum scanning for anything else, I reckon!   But my standards are
high, so ymmv. (despite those last few images I posted.. (O:)

> Which machine would you use?
> What resolution would you use for 35mm slides?  (Dad took razor-sharp
> shots, mostly on KII)
Think I have answered those as best I can.  In summary...

dunno.

> How would you store the resultant files?  (what format, what medium..)
16-bit TIFF or raw depending on your scanner's abilities to do so.

> How much post-processing would you do?
None, other than ICE.  Just keep the originals.  As your abilities get
better, you will want to re-do them anyway.  I usually go back to old
processed images of mine merely to say "Oh, no, what sort of an amateur
does *that*???" and re-do them from scratch.

> Enough worms out's the can for now?
Nah, keep 'em coming.

> (I have opinions on all of the above, of course, but I always welcome
> critique....   ...now where have I heard that before?)
I'll be very interested to hear how those opinions line up/diverge!

Cheers, mate.  One more Bundy and Coke before I retire, so don't expect
too much sanity from here on...

Mark t
Jeff R. - 16 Jul 2008 11:35 GMT
> I'm guessing it's their S20? - the 2400ppi one?

Yup.

>> and an Epson you-beaut-4490-scanner with
>> transparency lid. (Its a flatbed, but does a good job with slides)
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> certainly reduced depending on its optical path, ie thru glass
> whereas the HP is direct...

At the other end of production - years ago, when I bought my first
"photo-quality" Epson printer (Geez it made nice prints) I didn't believe
their claims of many-thousands-of-dots-per-inch (I forget what they actually
claimed) resolution, so I did a test.  Found a really fine, detailed image
and printed it at 200dpi, then at the printer's max (many "thou").  Could
not spot the difference under a microscope.  Seriously! Literally! They were
identical.  ...and I *did* specify the high-res print correctly.

I have since taken all resolution claims with a grain of salt.

>> I used the Epson on some of my 6x4.5 trannies and was gabberflasted
>> at how well the "digital ice" got rid of the dust and such...
> Hrmph.  Digital Ice is only useful if your film is dusty, or you don't
> want to spend eternity mindlessly cloning out dust...  It *is* pretty
> cool, but I try not to think about it as my Acer doesn't have it..

Hrmpphh indeed - but - how the smeg are you supposed to get rid of dust
pre-scan, anyway?  I've tried every solution known to man, and cannot get
rid of the lot.  ICE did it painlessly and quickly.

> When I do scan, I *always* scan at the maximum resolution of 2700,
> because I have got fairly good technique (modesty permits), and the
> vast majority of my images are sharp right up to that resolution.

Agreed.

> Then there are those that deserve better - I used to do a lot of
> landscape work on K25, K64 and a little Velvia with prime lenses and
> sturdy tripod... Those slides, eg this sorta thing:
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/cazneauxtree.jpg

Damn! That's pretty.
Hans Heysen would be happy.

> ..deserve better, so I either get them done professionally, or I have
> been known to borrow/rent a 4000 or 5400 ppi scanner.  That cazneaux
> shot *clearly* outruns my 2700ppi scanner in both resolution and lens
> quality.  (Forgive my immodesty, but it is an absolute knockout when
> projected with a good lens - a projected K25 is *the* way to
> demonstrate what 35mm film is capable of..)

Sighhhh.
I know.
So did Dad.
Hence the mass of slides.

>> This is a problem, since I have over 60,000 slides to scan.  (I sh.t
>> you not - Dear old Dad only shot transparencies.  Well - he stopped
>> making prints in about 1950.)
> Give up the dream, now!  It's not going to happen!  Tell me, are they
> sorted/organised?

Yes - than heavens.
Chronologically and indexed by subject.
Dad had always kept them organised as he shot them, but on top of that, he
spent the first two years of his retirement typing up the index.

>> I have no delusions about scanning all of these in my lifetime, but
>> I'd like to make a dent in the pile.
> I'd be spending my time going through them to weed the winners to the
> top.  If they are nailed K25's, for example, sharp across the frame,
> they will want better quality than your scanners, unless you only want
> the scans for web use or prints up to say 7x5.

They are, as you describe, "nailed K25s, sharp across the frame."
Dunno about the home scanner only being good to 7x5.  I think that's a bit
pessimistic.

>   Depends on your idea
> of quality, but I used to think of a 24-2700 ppi film scan giving
> truly-really sharp results only to about 7x5, and a 4000 ppi scan for
> 11x8.  Drum scanning for anything else, I reckon!   But my standards
> are high, so ymmv. (despite those last few images I posted.. (O:)

I don't like fuzzy stuff - but I draw the line at engaging a drum scanner.
KISS.

>> How would you store the resultant files?  (what format, what
>> medium..)
> 16-bit TIFF or raw depending on your scanner's abilities to do so.

and the medium?

HDD, DVD, CD, punched card?

>> How much post-processing would you do?
> None, other than ICE.  Just keep the originals.  As your abilities get
> better, you will want to re-do them anyway.  I usually go back to old
> processed images of mine merely to say "Oh, no, what sort of an
> amateur does *that*???" and re-do them from scratch.

Agreed.
Besides which - the time!

>> Enough worms out's the can for now?
> Nah, keep 'em coming.

OK.
Dwell a little on *medium* (mentioned above)
How do you store your images for (much) later retrieval?
What is the oldest file you have at hand, which you are *sure* you can
retrieve?  Reliably?

I ask (other than the obvious reasons - 1000s of images I don't want to
lose) mainly because I recently (a few years ago) disposed of my late
grandfather's assets (he died in '66) and discovered some glass plate negs
which date back to 1910-20's.  Some of them were in perfect condition.  I
mean *perfect*!  Some, OTOH, were fungus-ridden and/or moth(?) eaten, but
still recoverable.
I wonder how retrievable my images will be in 2100AD.  Not that *I* will
care, but my great-great-grandchildren might.

> Cheers, mate.  One more Bundy and Coke before I retire, so don't
> expect too much sanity from here on...

(Sad confession time)
Spick 'n' Specks is on now - so I'm off...

Signature

Jeff R.
(no time to proofread  - E.&O.E.)

Mark Thomas - 16 Jul 2008 12:10 GMT
> At the other end of production - years ago, when I bought my first
> "photo-quality" Epson printer (Geez it made nice prints)
I remember the shock I felt when I put a sheet of glossy into my old
Epson 640 - I realised that digtial imaging had truly come of age that
day!  But then after some years and driving my beloved Epson 1270 into
the ground, I'm a bit over the ink costs...  So back to the printing
labs..  (O:

> Hrmpphh indeed - but - how the smeg are you supposed to get rid of dust
> pre-scan, anyway?
My method involves very gentle use of a microfibre cloth and a funny
little antistatic gun from my days playing with hi-fi's and vinyl lps,
etc.  But no that technique doesn't work either.  But I've got to be
preety fast at cloning, I can pretty much do it with one hand while
doing something else.

>> Then there are those that deserve better - I used to do a lot of
>> landscape work on K25, K64 and a little Velvia with prime lenses and
>> sturdy tripod... Those slides, eg this sorta thing:
>> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/cazneauxtree.jpg
>
> Damn! That's pretty.
Thanks.  It's probably my favorite.

> Hans Heysen would be happy.
Speaking of dad's, mine (now long gone) told me that HH couldn't paint
animal faces, because had I noticed that always the cattle/horses are
facing away in his paintings..?  I must go look at an HH gallery to see
if he was just having me on..

> They are, as you describe, "nailed K25s, sharp across the frame."
> Dunno about the home scanner only being good to 7x5.  I think that's a
> bit pessimistic.

You're sort of right, I must admit that I was thinking about tests I did
on print film, not slide, and the grain-aliasing was a limiting issue.
On K25's, you should get 'reasonable' 11 x 8's.  Do you have a DSLR to
compare them with, just out of interest?  We could re-ignite some old
arguments about the 'equivalence' of film scans and digital...

> I don't like fuzzy stuff - but I draw the line at engaging a drum
> scanner. KISS.
And the problem with drum scanners is that roughly 1 in 10 of the drum
scanning services is run by anyone who actually knows what they are doing...

>>> How would you store the resultant files?  (what format, what
>>> medium..)
>> 16-bit TIFF or raw depending on your scanner's abilities to do so.
>
> and the medium?

Ah, you noticed I avoided that bit.. Dang.  It's because i don't really
have an answer.  Although I think that the price of poratbale HD storage
is now so reasonable it is hard not to go down that path, perhaps with
(good quality) DVD's as backup.

My rather crappy approach is to simply keep the best shots always on my
main hard drive, and then to progressively archive the remaining keepers
to DVD.  I have two drums of different brand DVD's, and make two copies
to be sure, to be sure.

Maybe one day punched card will be good enough, but right now, it's just
too new a technology..

> How do you store your images for (much) later retrieval?
> What is the oldest file you have at hand, which you are *sure* you can
> retrieve?  Reliably?
Having been bitten twice - once by a rapid and nasty hard drive failure,
and another time from a CD failure, and losing in total about a hundred
or so digital images (including about ten or so that really hurt), I now
keep two copies of everything.  Every six months or so I do a quick, but
thorough check - to see all files on each DVD are readable.

I don't have a huge collection (I'm not that good!), so it is pretty
easy to manage.

> I ask (other than the obvious reasons - 1000s of images I don't want to
> lose) mainly because I recently (a few years ago) disposed of my late
> grandfather's assets (he died in '66) and discovered some glass plate
> negs which date back to 1910-20's.  Some of them were in perfect
> condition.  I mean *perfect*!  Some, OTOH, were fungus-ridden and/or
> moth(?) eaten, but still recoverable.
I too have seen many, many images from my family's archives that have
simply been lost, or degraded terribly over the years (can you say
ektachrome/agfa/konica slides...), plus lost negatives, yellow prints
fungus, etc.  Digital has it's problems, but at last if you know what
you are doing, you *can* keep perfect copies indefinitely.  Whether
'can' translates to 'do', is another matter.

> I wonder how retrievable my images will be in 2100AD.  Not that *I* will
> care, but my great-great-grandchildren might.

Exactly.  But I have to say it's probably just as well that a lot of the
digital images will be lost as time goes by, because people (myself
included) do keep a lot of crap... (O:

Hopefully the good'uns will attract a little extra care..

> (Sad confession time)
> Spick 'n' Specks is on now - so I'm off...

I knew you were a bloke with impeccable taste - my favorite show!!!
Thanks for the reminder and I'm off too!
Jeff R. - 16 Jul 2008 13:59 GMT
>> Hrmpphh indeed - but - how the smeg are you supposed to get rid of
>> dust pre-scan, anyway?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> preety fast at cloning, I can pretty much do it with one hand while
> doing something else.

Uh huh.
With the volume I'm going to do, I can't afford the time it will take to
de-dust manually.  I agree - cloning out the dust on the keepers will do.

> Speaking of dad's, mine (now long gone) told me that HH couldn't paint
> animal faces, because had I noticed that always the cattle/horses are
> facing away in his paintings..?  I must go look at an HH gallery to
> see if he was just having me on..

Not definitive, but the 15-20 I just looked at seem to bear him out.

>..  Do you have a DSLR to
> compare them with, just out of interest?

:-)
Oh yeah.
A couple.

>   We could re-ignite some old
> arguments about the 'equivalence' of film scans and digital...

Hmmm...
Maybe I'm a lousy film-scanner, or maybe I've got really good digital
cameras, but....

(never mind)

> And the problem with drum scanners is that roughly 1 in 10 of the drum
> scanning services is run by anyone who actually knows what they are
> doing...

That too.
...and... how would you drum scan cardboard-mounted KIIs?  No way I'm taking
them out of their mounts.

>> and the medium?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> perhaps with
> (good quality) DVD's as backup.

I think HDDs with reasonably frequent re-copying - plus multiple copies of
course - is the way to go.
I have some Kodak CDs I burnt over 12 years ago (huge astronomy AVIs) and
they're holding out well - no dropouts or fails at all (touch wood).  That's
about 20 CDs in all.  They are the oldest digital files I've got.

-but-

I worked for Fujitsu (FAL, as it was then) in a previous incarnation, and at
that time they were only prepared to warrant their top-of-the-line optical
storage for ten years max - and that was multi-squillion dollar systems.
(Of course, they didn't acknowledge PCs in those days.)  No idea what they
reckon the "working lifetime" of optical disks is now.

My history with HDDs is not real encouraging.  I haven't tended to *keep*
them more than a few years, as capacity is shooting up as prices plummet, so
I can't guess how long the current crop will last.  Having said that, I've
got a couple of TBytes of off-line backup tied up in a handful of HDD drives
in external cases.

I check 'em every now and then, but...

I keep thinking of Granddad's glass plate negs.  Still *perfect*, nearly 100
years later.  No fancy software/hardware needed to retrieve them - just a
tranny scanner - or a dSLR with macro.

I think the storage problem is going to hit the digital fan real soon now -
unless someone comes up with a neat solution. (Says the bloke who spent
$100s on Zip drives...)

>   I have two drums of different brand DVD's, and make two
> copies to be sure, to be sure.

I've been bitten by crappy DVDs too often to be complacent about them.
Been known to throw out whole spindles of them.

> Maybe one day punched card will be good enough, but right now, it's
> just too new a technology..

Yup.
I'll be in that.

Bidies time.

Signature

Jeff R.

Doug Jewell - 16 Jul 2008 12:51 GMT
> At the other end of production - years ago, when I bought my first
> "photo-quality" Epson printer (Geez it made nice prints) I didn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I have since taken all resolution claims with a grain of salt.
What you did wrong was mistake PPI (Pixels Per Inch) for DPI
(Dots Per Inch). All of the inkjet manufacturers make their
claim in DPI, but pretty rare to find a PPI rating for any
of them. There is a difference because of the way they
print. When a printer puts a dot on paper it is either there
or not there, they can't control the density of the ink they
put out. So each dot either has 100% ink or no ink. If we
expand it to a CMY process, each dot can have one of 7
colours - a long way from the 16 million shades a JPG can
contain.  To create different shades, they have to use a
group of dots, some of which are on, and some are off.
Because of the number of dots needed to create a wide range
of shades, the minimum size of a pixel is much larger than
the size of a dot - or IOW the PPI is a much lower figure
than the DPI.
Note that the above is a simplification - in practice dots
are overlaid on each other as well, further complicating
things. Suffice to say that a 4800dpi printer has dots that
are significantly larger than 1/4800".
I'm not aware of any inkjet printer manufacturer that
advertises what the achievable PPI is, but I would be
surprised if any are able to achieve significantly higher
than 300PPI.
What is true about the high DPI printers is their colour
accuracy and fine colour contrast increases. Their
achievable PPI may not be significantly higher, but the
improved colour rendition will still be a benefit. This is
most easily observed in areas of pale colour - the older
printers would have clearly visible dots, whereas the newer
high resolution printers can achieve subtle pale colours.

Because of this method of dot based printing, it is not
meaninful to directly compare the DPI of different printing
technologies. Photographic printers (such as the Fuji
Frontier), or Dye-Sub printers (such as the Kodak printer
docks) usually have a print resolution of 300 DPI. The
difference here is that every one of those dots can have an
infinitely variable density, so they only need one dot to
make one pixel. This is why a 300DPI frontier print will
look pretty much identical to a 4800dpi Canon or Epson print.
<snip>
> (Sad confession time)
> Spick 'n' Specks is on now - so I'm off...
It's finished so I'm back, although only half here cos gruen
transfer is on.
Jeff R. - 16 Jul 2008 14:03 GMT
> What you did wrong was mistake PPI (Pixels Per Inch) for DPI
> (Dots Per Inch). All of the inkjet manufacturers make their
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> or not there, they can't control the density of the ink they
> put out.

<snip>

Yup.
I nutted most of that out later.
Fact remains, though, that 200dpi (indicated) seemed the limit of quality
the old Epson could crank out.  No complaints, mind.  That looked fine, and
I now use that figure (200dpi) as a guide to required image size for
printing - large posters notwithstanding.

Thanks for the detail.

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Jeff R.

k - 17 Jul 2008 01:08 GMT
| > I shall fire up the old film-scanner, and hopefully post some results
| > soon.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
| Preferences?
| Which would you use?

| Both are exruciatingly slow.

to be honest?

Scanners made sense in the pre digital camera days, but if you have a
digicam, can use a light box and have a macro lens/bellows/slide duplicator
then use it to digitise your slide collection :)  a lot less time taken per
shot and if you do a manual white balance on the light source first and
expose manually without adjusting (much) for variations (your exposures were
good on film, right?)  then you'll be laughing!

Shoot in RAW, import into Vuescan or your cameras raw processor for
adjustment then export via Neatimage to pretty up the pics :)

re dust, same deal as with printing from film - take a moment to clean the
slides first.

karl
Mark Thomas - 17 Jul 2008 02:43 GMT
While there is some truth in this..

> Scanners made sense in the pre digital camera days
and still do.. because..

> if you have a digicam
(of sufficient capability)

> can use a light box
(which has a nice clean and wide light spectrum)

> and have a macro lens/bellows/slide duplicator
(that will give flat-field results at sufficient magnification, and/or
has sufficient d-o-f given the light source/f-stop, to handle curved
slides like the Kodachromes Jeff has)

> a lot less time taken per shot
I can load 4 slides into my film-scanner and click.  I can then do
something else in the time it takes, and for each image it autofocuses,
auto-white-balances (if that is what I want), auto-exposes and in Jeff's
case, removes the dust and scratches.  Your method may do some of that
but not all, and you have to load every single slide.

And there are several film scanners with batchfeed capability, and many
people buy these on Ebay, use it to scan their collection, then sell it
for roughly the same price.

> and if you do a manual white balance on the light source first and
> expose manually without adjusting (much) for variations (your exposures were
> good on film, right?)
Not in my case.  (O:

> re dust, same deal as with printing from film - take a moment to clean the
> slides first.
If they are old, 'normally' stored slides, this is neither simple nor
entirely effective.

Lastly, if we throw negatives into the equation, film-scanners normally
have built-in compensation for the mask colour.  Neutralising the
orange/tan/whatever mask on a negative is no fun in post-proc.
Doug Jewell - 16 Jul 2008 10:59 GMT
> Herewith some images to prove two things:
>
> 1. I do get out and push the button occasionally
I'm suffering camera withdrawal at the moment. My GX10 is
_still_ away (about 8 weeks now), and now the S2IS has gone
south. I went out on Monday with the MZ60 loaded with Sensia
and took a few shots, but then the weather turned sour.
Fantastic way to spend a much-needed holiday - stuck at home
while it pours down rain, and if I do take a photo, I'll
have to wait til I get down to brisvegas to drop my slides
into PC before I can see the results.
On the plus side, I have used my shiny new 18-35 for some
ultra-wide shots on the MZ60 - hopefully the weather will
clear up and I'll be able to get out and put the ultrawide
to some good use.
Another positive is that I got a call from Samsung - the
GX10 is getting replaced - just not sure how long it will
take for the replacement to come. Fingers crossed it will be
soon.
> 2. Sometimes, either nothing inspires me, or I just take bad images...
I know the feeling well. At least the model trains are
getting a good bit of work done on them.

> Below are some of the ones I'm throwing away this fortnight.
<snip>
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/surreality.jpg
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/treehugger.jpg
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/what_is_that.jpg
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/xmarksthespot.jpg
Treehugger is my favourite of that set. Other than the small
area of blown highlights, IMO that shot isn't a throw-away
(unless you've got a better version of it).

> ...Sigh.  Maybe next week.
Mark Thomas - 16 Jul 2008 23:35 GMT
> I'm suffering camera withdrawal at the moment. My GX10 is _still_ away
> (about 8 weeks now)
I'm guessing Samsung probably won't be expecting any repeat business
from you...

>, and now the S2IS has gone south.
What happened there?

> I'll
> have to wait til I get down to brisvegas to drop my slides into PC
> before I can see the results.

It's hard to go back to the old ways.  My magnesium flash hardly gets an
outing these days, either...  (O:

> On the plus side, I have used my shiny new 18-35 for some ultra-wide
> shots on the MZ60 - hopefully the weather will clear up and I'll be able
> to get out and put the ultrawide to some good use.

Well, it's a nice sunny day today here, but I have a schedule that does
not include much room for photography.  Never mind.

> Another positive is that I got a call from Samsung - the GX10 is getting
> replaced - just not sure how long it will take for the replacement to
> come.

That's a good result, but the delay is not acceptable imo.  I hope you
have told Samsung what you think...

> I know the feeling well. At least the model trains are getting a good
> bit of work done on them.

I've been meaning to get back into models again myself (double meaning
notwithstanding), but the ones I prefer are aircraft.  My pride and joy
was a 1/24 scale Spitfire that I had painstakingly detailed -
everything, right down to small engine parts and cockpit details, was
painted as authentically as I could research - my eyesight was a lot
better then...

> Treehugger is my favourite of that set. Other than the small area of
> blown highlights, IMO that shot isn't a throw-away (unless you've got a
> better version of it).
Thanks, yes, I could do a little better with the highlights, but it just
isn't quite what I'm after. I want a 'companion image' to go with this one:
http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/eucalypt_v2.jpg

I'll keep looking/trying..
Doug Jewell - 17 Jul 2008 07:20 GMT
>> I'm suffering camera withdrawal at the moment. My GX10 is _still_ away
>> (about 8 weeks now)
> I'm guessing Samsung probably won't be expecting any repeat business
> from you...
Possibly - I got an exceptional deal on the GX10 as a bit of
a contra arrangement. Yeah 8 weeks is a long time to be
without a camera, but the best part of a grand off retail
price softens the blow somewhat.

>  >, and now the S2IS has gone south.
> What happened there?
Lent it to the mother-in-law, and next time I went to use it
the power switch popped off. Fixable, and probably
inexpensive to fix, just not 100% sure I want to bother. It
does make an extremely good video camera though, and with
the price 2GB cards are now, it beats stuffing around with
tapes, so I may get it fixed. Alternatively I might spring
for an S5IS - not 100% sure yet.

>> I'll have to wait til I get down to brisvegas to drop my slides into
>> PC before I can see the results.
>
> It's hard to go back to the old ways.  My magnesium flash hardly gets an
> outing these days, either...  (O:
I don't mind using slide, although it took a while to get
out of the habit of looking at the back of the camera! The
painful thing is that there is nowhere local I can get it
processed. Reala is my other film of choice - it can be
processed locally, but not with the type of quality I'd
like. Digital has comprehensively killed the quality film
labs unfortunately. But I guess, I'm partly responsible - I
think I'm on my 3rd roll since I got my DSLR a year ago. I
told myself I was going to continue to use film, and I still
far prefer a nice slide over digital, but digital is just so
damned convenient.

>> On the plus side, I have used my shiny new 18-35 for some ultra-wide
>> shots on the MZ60 - hopefully the weather will clear up and I'll be
>> able to get out and put the ultrawide to some good use.
>
> Well, it's a nice sunny day today here, but I have a schedule that does
> not include much room for photography.  Never mind.
Yeah today is nice here too, but She Who Must Be Obeyed put
an end to any photographic expeditions :-(

>> Another positive is that I got a call from Samsung - the GX10 is
>> getting replaced - just not sure how long it will take for the
>> replacement to come.
>
> That's a good result, but the delay is not acceptable imo.  I hope you
> have told Samsung what you think...
Lets just say I tried pretty hard to get a GX20.

>> I know the feeling well. At least the model trains are getting a good
>> bit of work done on them.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> painted as authentically as I could research - my eyesight was a lot
> better then...
I went through an aircraft phase, truth be known it is still
hiding in the back recesses of my mind. If I go back into it
I'll be more focussed on the ones that can fly.
Good thing about having kids - gives you a good excuse to
get into all the toys again :-P

>> Treehugger is my favourite of that set. Other than the small area of
>> blown highlights, IMO that shot isn't a throw-away (unless you've got
>> a better version of it).
> Thanks, yes, I could do a little better with the highlights, but it just
> isn't quite what I'm after. I want a 'companion image' to go with this one:
> http://www.marktphoto.com/examples/eucalypt_v2.jpg
I like the composition and exposure there, but the white
dots on the leaves jump out at me. Perhaps it looks better
at higher resolution. I had a similar issue when I took:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/1414658332/
The white spots in the grass really spoil it for me. They're
not too bad in that shot, but some of the others that I took
at about the same time really showed it up bad. If memory
serves I think I used a polariser in that photo, which
reduced them slightly.

> I'll keep looking/trying..
 
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