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Shooting Macro At 1,000mm With The D3!!

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Rita Berkowitz - 26 Jun 2008 00:41 GMT
The close focus ability of the old 500 is simply amazing, even at 15'!  Next
time I'll be taking my Kenko tubes out to see how well they do.  Damn!  The
old 500 is really a versatile lens.

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Draco - 26 Jun 2008 16:57 GMT
> The close focus ability of the old 500 is simply amazing, even at 15'!  Next
> time I'll be taking my Kenko tubes out to see how well they do.  Damn!  The
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>
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Very nicely done Rita. I would have added a polarizer to tone down the
reflections for the sky in the water. But your saturation and
sharpness is very nice. Placement of the flower to the green tuft of
leaves at the top on a diaginol allows the eye to wander around and
back to the flower. The open area to the right top balances the
underwater branches to the bottom left and the branches to the top
balances the open water to the bottom right. The spacing along the
edges gives a more finished look to the entire piece.

Again, well done. Keep at it.

Draco
Rita Berkowitz - 27 Jun 2008 01:31 GMT
> Very nicely done Rita. I would have added a polarizer to tone down the
> reflections for the sky in the water. But your saturation and
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> balances the open water to the bottom right. The spacing along the
> edges gives a more finished look to the entire piece.

Thanks.  The only problem I have with using a polarizer on the 500 is it
gets mounted on the back of the lens and is adjusted with a thumbwheel
screw.  This makes it near impossible to use when shooting handheld, which
is mostly the way I shoot.  Only way I can use a polarizer is to rest the
lens on a tree.

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Draco - 27 Jun 2008 18:36 GMT
>(snip)

> Thanks.  The only problem I have with using a polarizer on the 500 is it
> gets mounted on the back of the lens and is adjusted with a thumbwheel
> screw.  This makes it near impossible to use when shooting handheld, which
> is mostly the way I shoot.  Only way I can use a polarizer is to rest the
> lens on a tree.
>(Snip the rest)

Still it would have made the image a bit stronger. What's wrong? Never
heard of a Mono-pod? I used one when I was out in Texas and didn't
feel like dragging the tripod out and back on the plane. I had added a
medium ball head to it so I could tilt the camera without loosing the
support of the mono-pod. Worked like a champ. Was able to put a 19mm
lens on it, adjust the ball head for a down tilt and raised it above
the crowds to get some over all crowd scenes. Using a cable release I
was able to fire the camera without looking through the view finder.
Also used that rig in shooting out over a ledge to get some shots of a
working water mill.

Draco
Rita Berkowitz - 28 Jun 2008 01:33 GMT
>> (snip)
>
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> Also used that rig in shooting out over a ledge to get some shots of a
> working water mill.

I'll work on it.  I did order polarizer; the damn thing set me back $200.
As for the monopod, it's more of a nuisance carrying it around and having to
screw with it.  Since I'm constantly moving when I'm hiking the routine I
use for shooting is very easy and effortless.  I got one so I guess I can
blow the dust off of it and give it another try.

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Chris Malcolm - 28 Jun 2008 03:51 GMT
In rec.photo.digital Rita Berkowitz <ritaberk2008@aol.com> wrote:
>>> (snip)
>>
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>> Also used that rig in shooting out over a ledge to get some shots of a
>> working water mill.

> I'll work on it.  I did order polarizer; the damn thing set me back $200.
> As for the monopod, it's more of a nuisance carrying it around and having to
> screw with it.  Since I'm constantly moving when I'm hiking the routine I
> use for shooting is very easy and effortless.  I got one so I guess I can
> blow the dust off of it and give it another try.

You can get trekking poles the top of whose handle unscrews to reveal
a camera (or head) mounting bolt. Instant monopod for the hiker.

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Jürgen Exner - 28 Jun 2008 03:58 GMT
>You can get trekking poles the top of whose handle unscrews to reveal
>a camera (or head) mounting bolt. Instant monopod for the hiker.

I was looking for those, couldn't find them anywhere. Do you have a
pointer to a manufacturer or dealer?

jue
TRoss - 28 Jun 2008 07:28 GMT
>>You can get trekking poles the top of whose handle unscrews to reveal
>>a camera (or head) mounting bolt. Instant monopod for the hiker.
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>
>jue

Take a look at either www.trackspoles.com or www.leki.com.

I bought a LEKI Passport pole for my mother because she needed a good
travel cane. I tried using it as a monopod and found that resting the
camera on the crook of the grip worked better than attaching it to the
threaded mount.

TR
Rita Berkowitz - 29 Jun 2008 04:41 GMT
>> I'll work on it.  I did order polarizer; the damn thing set me back
>> $200. As for the monopod, it's more of a nuisance carrying it around
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> You can get trekking poles the top of whose handle unscrews to reveal
> a camera (or head) mounting bolt. Instant monopod for the hiker.

Thanks.  I'll look into this.

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tony cooper - 28 Jun 2008 04:21 GMT
>As for the monopod, it's more of a nuisance carrying it around and having to
>screw with it.

Goodnight, Gracie.

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John - 26 Jun 2008 17:27 GMT
> The close focus ability of the old 500 is simply amazing, even at 15'!
> Next
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>
> <http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com/blooming_macro.htm>

Did you use any filters?

Nice pic.

John.
Rita Berkowitz - 27 Jun 2008 01:32 GMT
>> <http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com/blooming_macro.htm>
>
> Did you use any filters?

Nope.  I wish Nikon and Canon would make a motorized polarizer.

> Nice pic.

Thanks.

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stu7seven@gmail.com - 26 Jun 2008 18:48 GMT
http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com/blooming_macro.htm

oooooo... yes
RPDBS - 26 Jun 2008 23:41 GMT
> The close focus ability of the old 500 is simply amazing, even at 15'!  Next
> time I'll be taking my Kenko tubes out to see how well they do.  Damn!  The
> old 500 is really a versatile lens.
>
> <http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com/blooming_macro.htm>

What the hell makes you believe that is a macro?
Annika1980 - 27 Jun 2008 00:46 GMT
> > <http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com/blooming_macro.htm>
>
> What the hell makes you believe that is a macro?

Allow me to explain.
Here are 4 definitions of "Macro" according to Webster:

1: being large, thick, or exceptionally prominent

2 a: of, involving, or intended for use with relatively large
quantities or on a large scale b: of or relating to macroeconomics

3: gross

4: of or relating to a macro lens or to close-up photography

Now in Rita's case, think either #1 or #3.
RPDBS - 27 Jun 2008 19:35 GMT
>>> <http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com/blooming_macro.htm>
>>
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>
> Now in Rita's case, think either #1 or #3.

Both.
Rita Berkowitz - 27 Jun 2008 01:32 GMT
>> The close focus ability of the old 500 is simply amazing, even at
>> 15'!  Next time I'll be taking my Kenko tubes out to see how well
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>
> What the hell makes you believe that is a macro?

Shoot the same shot at 15' and come back and tell me it aint.  Wait till I
throw a stack of Kenko tubes in there.

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RPDBS - 27 Jun 2008 19:46 GMT
>>> The close focus ability of the old 500 is simply amazing, even at
>>> 15'!  Next time I'll be taking my Kenko tubes out to see how well
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>
> Shoot the same shot at 15' and come back and tell me it aint.  

It ain't.

Shooting at the closest focus range of a lens does not make a macro.

A macro is an image on film or sensor very close to the size of the subject.
(On the order of 1:1 -- 1:2 or so).

IOW, the flower would have occupied most of, or the entire frame if centered.
Stop being a dumbass calling something a macro when it plainly is not.

OTOH I guess it doesn't matter with credibility as low as yours.
George Kerby - 27 Jun 2008 14:45 GMT
On 6/26/08 5:41 PM, in article
0001HW.C489936F00541F87B01AD9AF@news.giganews.com, "RPDBS" <Boss@RPDBS.ORG>
wrote:

>> The close focus ability of the old 500 is simply amazing, even at 15'!  Next
>> time I'll be taking my Kenko tubes out to see how well they do.  Damn!  The
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> What the hell makes you believe that is a macro?

FINALLY!

It's been days since 'Rita' posted this and *NO* posts have questioned this
bitch's claim of "macro" photography. Macro is life-sized, or close (1:2,
1:1) by any knowledgeable definition.
Neil Harrington - 27 Jun 2008 17:36 GMT
> On 6/26/08 5:41 PM, in article
> 0001HW.C489936F00541F87B01AD9AF@news.giganews.com, "RPDBS"
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> bitch's claim of "macro" photography. Macro is life-sized, or close (1:2,
> 1:1) by any knowledgeable definition.

I think the reason no one's questioned it is the same reason you didn't
until just now. It's so obviously not a macro shot by any stretch of that
term that no one felt the need to point it out. Sort of like calling a
picture of a duck a "giraffe."

The bigger question is, Why on earth use 1000mm for that shot in the first
place? "Rita" said he "had to back up" to take it. It's evidently taken at a
steep downward angle so couldn't have been very far away.It looks like
something that could much more easily have been done with a 135mm or 200mm
lens.

Neil
tony cooper - 27 Jun 2008 18:30 GMT
>The bigger question is, Why on earth use 1000mm for that shot in the first
>place? "Rita" said he "had to back up" to take it. It's evidently taken at a
>steep downward angle so couldn't have been very far away.It looks like
>something that could much more easily have been done with a 135mm or 200mm
>lens.

If you have one lens on the body, how do you make the bug wait until
you've changed lenses?  

There are some shots you take with the wrong combination only because
if you change to the right combination what you want in the image
isn't there anymore.

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Neil Harrington - 28 Jun 2008 05:41 GMT
>>The bigger question is, Why on earth use 1000mm for that shot in the first
>>place? "Rita" said he "had to back up" to take it. It's evidently taken at
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> if you change to the right combination what you want in the image
> isn't there anymore.

That's straining really, really hard to find some justification for the
shot. If the picture is about the bug, then it seems to me it fails totally.
You can barely see the bug in the photo.

Neil
tony cooper - 28 Jun 2008 06:18 GMT
>>>The bigger question is, Why on earth use 1000mm for that shot in the first
>>>place? "Rita" said he "had to back up" to take it. It's evidently taken at
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>shot. If the picture is about the bug, then it seems to me it fails totally.
>You can barely see the bug in the photo.

Whoa, there.  I didn't say it was a good shot.  Personally, if that
was my shot I wouldn't link it to this group.  It misses in too many
ways.

What I am saying is that, in general, we can't always have the right
combination at the ready for that scene we see that has some component
in it that may not still be there if we change combinations.  We can
either snap off the shot with the combination that we do have at the
ready, or miss the shot entirely.

If we do see the scene that Rita photographed, and do want a good
shot, we have to set up correctly and sit and wait for another bug to
alight.  This may or may not happen.

The photograph that Rita posted is one that I call my "Why not try?"s.
It's digital, no film is burned and no processing charges will result.
If it works, great.  If it doesn't, delete it.

I do a lot of those.  Rita posts hers.  I delete mine.  

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Neil Harrington - 28 Jun 2008 15:44 GMT
>>>>The bigger question is, Why on earth use 1000mm for that shot in the
>>>>first
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> either snap off the shot with the combination that we do have at the
> ready, or miss the shot entirely.

I agree with you there, of course.

> If we do see the scene that Rita photographed, and do want a good
> shot, we have to set up correctly and sit and wait for another bug to
> alight.  This may or may not happen.

In that particular shot I think the bug was entirely incidental, had nothing
to do with the photo at all. It just happened to be on the flower in the
pond that Rita was photographing. He says "Even the little water bug on the
edge is visible," but you can just barely make out it's a bug and it doesn't
do anything for the photo at all. If it hopped off somewhere else while the
photographer was setting up the shot, so much the better.

> The photograph that Rita posted is one that I call my "Why not try?"s.
> It's digital, no film is burned and no processing charges will result.
> If it works, great.  If it doesn't, delete it.
>
> I do a lot of those.  Rita posts hers.  I delete mine.

OK. I do the same. We have no disagreement there.

Neil
Rita Berkowitz - 29 Jun 2008 04:41 GMT
> The photograph that Rita posted is one that I call my "Why not try?"s.
> It's digital, no film is burned and no processing charges will result.
> If it works, great.  If it doesn't, delete it.
>
> I do a lot of those.  Rita posts hers.  I delete mine.

But the real question, Tony, is how many do you really save?  We haven't
seen many from you.  The other issue is targeted audience.  If the artist
listened to the critics we wouldn't have art.  The pics far exceed the
requirements for their targeted audience.  That said, no shame.  You should
start posting some pics Tony.  We don't care if you think they aren't worthy
enough for us to see..

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tony cooper - 29 Jun 2008 06:37 GMT
>> The photograph that Rita posted is one that I call my "Why not try?"s.
>> It's digital, no film is burned and no processing charges will result.
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>But the real question, Tony, is how many do you really save?  We haven't
>seen many from you.

No, I don't post images here unless I have a question about how to
improve the image.  Most of my images have someone in the family in
them.  The rest are table-tops of various antiques and gold coins.
Not things I think would be of interest to this group.  

I'm really not into taking pictures of squirrels and birds and dogs.
If it pleases you, have at it.  When I aim the camera, it's usually at
a rug rat.

>You should
>start posting some pics Tony.  We don't care if you think they aren't worthy
>enough for us to see..

OK, just for you I've added a self-portrait at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tony213/2620449044/  

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Rita Berkowitz - 29 Jun 2008 12:07 GMT
>> But the real question, Tony, is how many do you really save?  We
>> haven't seen many from you.
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> them.  The rest are table-tops of various antiques and gold coins.
> Not things I think would be of interest to this group.

That's no excuse, you should post more.  I think you will find more people
interested in your table-tops than you want to believe.

> I'm really not into taking pictures of squirrels and birds and dogs.
> If it pleases you, have at it.  When I aim the camera, it's usually at
> a rug rat.

Nothing wrong with that, but I can see your apprehension of posting the
little ones on the net.  That said, you can still open up new horizons by
getting out there and getting a few bird shots, or whatever.  You might even
discover how much fun it really is.  Take a daily hike and you'll find
something new every day.

>> You should
>> start posting some pics Tony.  We don't care if you think they
>> aren't worthy enough for us to see..
>
> OK, just for you I've added a self-portrait at:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tony213/2620449044/

See!  Now that's a really nice shot.

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Mr.T - 28 Jun 2008 02:20 GMT
> > What the hell makes you believe that is a macro?
> >
> FINALLY!
>
> It's been days since 'Rita' posted this and *NO* posts have questioned this
> bitch's claim of "macro" photography.

Simple reason, the rest of us have her kill-filed. And we're past caring
about Rita's stupid claims in any case.

MrT.
Frank ess - 27 Jun 2008 19:39 GMT
>> The close focus ability of the old 500 is simply amazing, even at
>> 15'!  Next time I'll be taking my Kenko tubes out to see how well
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> What the hell makes you believe that is a macro?

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