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screw EBAY got www.oztion.com.au

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WildWally - 29 May 2008 05:05 GMT
Why pay pal when not requiried ! They just want more money !
Pete D - 29 May 2008 05:55 GMT
> Why pay pal when not requiried ! They just want more money !

Wacko the Diddle Oh, Oztion has nothing for sale dude, what the use of that?
Greg - 29 May 2008 23:34 GMT
>> Why pay pal when not requiried ! They just want more money !
>>
> Wacko the Diddle Oh, Oztion has nothing for sale dude, what the use of
> that?

http://www.eswap.com.au/

which I have heard being advertised isn't much better either.
bassett - 30 May 2008 02:46 GMT
>>> Why pay pal when not requiried ! They just want more money !
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> which I have heard being advertised isn't much better either.

All these Auction houses work the same,  and they all support the sellers in
favour of the buyers,

As  for using  pay-pal, it's probably  the lesser  of the two evils,  and it
does offer some protection, I have a case going at the moment  where the
seller  simply failed to deliver, and will not communicate,  Pay-pal  say
they will sort it out,  so I,ve got a 50 / 50  chance of getting my money
back,  which I wouldn't  have had I used  Direct Deposit.

Time will tell on that one and I will report the outcome,, if and when it's
resolved

                                                                           
       bassett
Rob. - 30 May 2008 03:32 GMT
>>>>Why pay pal when not requiried ! They just want more money !
>>>
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> All these Auction houses work the same,  and they all support the sellers in
> favour of the buyers,

Well its neither, the winner is ebay.

> As  for using  pay-pal, it's probably  the lesser  of the two evils,  and it
> does offer some protection, I have a case going at the moment  where the
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>         bassett
bassett - 30 May 2008 06:15 GMT
>>>>>Why pay pal when not requiried ! They just want more money !
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>> bassett

Sure Flea-bay is the winner, no argument there,  but they also provide the
medium  for the sales in the first place, and frankly some of the other
places are bloody pathetic, and simply don't have the range or selection of
goods on offer.  Sites like  4 sale 2 buy, E-swap, Oztion  and even
Trade-me, simply don't get the same amount of patronage  that flea-bay seems
to attract.
Also some of the prices  for music media on sites like  Oztion,  are simply
over the top.  Is it any wonder you never see a bidding list, or for that
matter any  bids.

As  for there resent announcement about posting neutral or negative feedback
no longer being an option,  I posted neutral feedback today with out
trouble.

On the question of removing the options of payment,  If you buy  from the
same people , is there any reason why you can't simply by-pass flea-bay,
and do a Direct deposit, with the same details you used before  these
restrictions came in.
                                                                           
              bassett
Atheist Chaplain - 30 May 2008 04:07 GMT
>>>> Why pay pal when not requiried ! They just want more money !
>>>>
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> say they will sort it out,  so I,ve got a 50 / 50  chance of getting my
> money back,  which I wouldn't  have had I used  Direct Deposit.

Actually you can go see your bank, explain the situation and provide as much
documentation as you can, and do what is called a Charge Back where they
take the money back from the account, the only time this is a problem is
when its a professional scammer as they clean out and close accounts to
avoid this.
Its worked for me when I was Over charged by my previous ISP and they didn't
want to do anything about it. YMMV

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"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
Don Hirschberg

> Time will tell on that one and I will report the outcome,, if and when
> it's resolved
>
> bassett
Eeyore - 30 May 2008 17:55 GMT
> All these Auction houses work the same,  and they all support the sellers in
> favour of the buyers,

Hmmm. Ebay's feedback rules seem to be veering in the opposite direction to what
you suggest actually.

> As  for using  pay-pal, it's probably  the lesser  of the two evils,  and it
> does offer some protection, I have a case going at the moment  where the
> seller  simply failed to deliver, and will not communicate,  Pay-pal  say
> they will sort it out,  so I,ve got a 50 / 50  chance of getting my money
> back,  which I wouldn't  have had I used  Direct Deposit.

Absolutely right.

Paypal isn't perfect but it's a heck of a lot better than most other methods I
can think of for paying for online auctions.

Graham
roughplanet - 31 May 2008 07:54 GMT
bassett wrote:

>> All these Auction houses work the same,  and they all support the sellers
>> in
>> favour of the buyers,

> Hmmm. Ebay's feedback rules seem to be veering in the opposite direction
> to
> what you suggest actually.

>> As  for using  pay-pal, it's probably  the lesser  of the two evils,  and
>> it
>> does offer some protection, I have a case going at the moment  where the
>> seller  simply failed to deliver, and will not communicate,  Pay-pal  say
>> they will sort it out,  so I,ve got a 50 / 50  chance of getting my money
>> back,  which I wouldn't  have had I used  Direct Deposit.

> Absolutely right.
> Paypal isn't perfect but it's a heck of a lot better than most other
> methods I
> can think of for paying for online auctions.

As I'm the first to kick a.s when things aren't right, I give credit where
credit is due. PayPal's conversion rates are always pretty fair, and the
service has saved me  nearly AU$400 when two (2) eBay purchases went bad &
the sellers refused to answer emails or refund my money.

Indeed, it's not perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than any other
so-called 'service' on the 'net. Having been burnt twice now, I simply won't
use direct banking or Credit (in my case, Debit) Cards as they provide the
buyer with no protection at all.

ruff
bassett - 31 May 2008 08:25 GMT
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> ruff
I use a visa debit card account  for  pay-pal,  then if it looks like it's
about to go  pair shaped  I can empty the  account [leaving a couple of
dollars]  before they complete the transaction,  but once it's gone through,
it's in the lap of the gods  what happens,  and  so far I,ve only had to
write off a couple of hundred dollars  over a number of years,  So it's a
bit like paying  Tax on by purchases.
 But we will see what happens  this time,  no doubt I will get an
electronic  non-answerable e-mail  from someone in some dark land  telling
me the CD  set has been sent, case closed, see you later .  And how the hell
do  you refute  the fact, it hasn't arrived.  I suppose I could get a stat
declaration, from our lady past mistress, at the village general store,
together with a picture of her tits, as evidence.  But would   Rang'ee in
Mumbai, take any notice.  Who knows,, it all sounds  like a  Fred Eaglesmith
song or saga,  " The Sweeburg General store is Clos'in"

                                                                           
                    bassett
bassett - 31 May 2008 08:04 GMT
>> All these Auction houses work the same,  and they all support the sellers
>> in
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> to what
> you suggest actually.

I've just had a case  where the seller waited 8 days before sending the
DVD,  with zip communication from them. I only have myself to blame ordering
from Argentina, but if you don't stick your toe in the water , you'll never
know how hot is is'nt.  But I  ignored e-bays pop messages and posted a
nutral feedback anyway.

As to e-bays bias towards buyers.  I had  an issue  some time ago with s a
seller who wanted  direct deposit,  but refused to supply her banking
details.  So I   e-mailed the lady  nicely and asked  for them,  Well
actually I told the silly bitch if she wanted a sale to get off her  fat
arse and send me her banking details,  She  filled a claim for non-payment,
which e-bay upheld, I posted negative feedback,  she posted negative
feedback,, E-bay removed  her negative feedback but refued to remove mine,
even though I  could not comply  with the sale, even if I wanted to.
So if you come accross "MELZIE88"  melk47@hotmail.com,  send   her my  love.

                                                                           
            bassett

>> As for using   pay-pal, it's probably  the lesser  of the two evils,  and
>> it
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>
> Graham
Peter D - 30 May 2008 13:01 GMT
>Why pay pal when not requiried ! They just want more money !

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