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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / Australian Photography / May 2008Nikon Busted For Industrial Espionage!
Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same formula for their space age material as Canon. Even little subtleties in the lens mount have been stolen from Canon. This is going to be a major blemish on Nikon's reputation. <http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=27845443> Rita  SignatureStamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet Stimulus Project page. http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com > Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from > Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com Maybe this is all a sign of evolution of patent laws. In the past it was much more common for lens designs to be generic. It used to be one had to have NOVEL designs to get a patent. Now, the patent agencies are more and more letting the courts determine whether something is novel or not. I don't believe juries or judges are best qualified to determine whether a design is just standard engineering practice, or is really novel and advancing the state of the art. I DO think there has been tremendous advances in lens design, materials, and manufacture, but it has been much more a case of evolution than revolution. <http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784...> There's another interesting bit of news on that web site, since Rita keeps telling us Nikon always gets it right first time, doesn't use their owners as beta testers, and doesn't ever need to update their firmware :-) http://www.dpreview.com/news/0804/08042501nikonfirmware.asp MrT. > <http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784...> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0804/08042501nikonfirmware.asp Nikon learned this from Canon. What better way to get free advertising? It seems Nikon wants a piece of the action as well. Rita SignatureStamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet Stimulus Project page. http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com >> <http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784...> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Rita do you get dizzy spinning all this sh.t about Nikon ?? SignatureGod made me an atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom? > Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon] > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784 No such story can be found with a Google News search... SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index2.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com > > Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon] > >http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Metershttp://www.darkroomautomation.com/index2.htm > n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com "story" says a lot here... much of what gets posted on this forum is closer to fantasy :-) >> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon] >> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784 > > No such story can be found with a Google News search... Did you look? Rita SignatureStamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet Stimulus Project page. http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com In rec.photo.digital Rita Berkowitz <ritaberk2008@aol.com> wrote: >>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon] >>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784 >> >> No such story can be found with a Google News search... > Did you look? I did. Your link doesn't work. It identifies a forum but not an article. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > In rec.photo.digital Rita Berkowitz <ritaberk2008@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I did. Your link doesn't work. It identifies a forum but not an > article. Rita doesn't understand computers any better than cameras. Apparently it's just point and push buttons. > >> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon] > >>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784 > > > No such story can be found with a Google News search... > > Did you look? Your link points to a forum discussion about whether manufacturers' warranties should cover damage from accidents. >>>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon] >>>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Your link points to a forum discussion about whether manufacturers' > warranties should cover damage from accidents. What accidents? The lens fell apart due to a poor choice of materials and hardware. This is something everyone expects from Canon not Nikon. Rita SignatureStamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet Stimulus Project page. http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com : >>>> Nikon was caught stealing lens design [from Canon] : >>>> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=2784 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : What accidents? The lens fell apart due to a poor choice of materials and : hardware. This is something everyone expects from Canon not Nikon. Let's try to recapitulate: A Nikon lens falls apart, which to Rita indicates that Nikon must have "stolen" its design from Canon, and this constitutes "industrial espionage". Is that really the premise underlying Rita's original article? If it is, and if this doesn't teach us to stop reading her nutty threads, we all ought to have our heads examined. Bob Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU > Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from > Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > <http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=27845443> > Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made > (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it is the lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless attitude of Canon letting workers assemble these lenses what appears to *NOT* be a clean room and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the old 500 out in a dust storm. Rita SignatureStamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet Stimulus Project page. http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com I wasn't looking to see if the person assembling the lens was wearing a hair net, but I did notice 'condoms' were used on the fingers. >> Ali wrote: >> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made >> (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions): >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU > Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it is > the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the > old 500 out in a dust storm. >> Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made >> (video is in three parts due to youtube restrictions): [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >and the worker lacking a hair net and gloves. Might as well assemble the >old 500 out in a dust storm. I also noticed that in at least one scene, the worker is not using "Finger Tips" to handle the lens. Nice way to get body oils on the lens. I suspect that this might be from some sort of training film done outside a clean room. Strange as it seems, they might not want video cameras taping inside a clean room. I have worked in a clean room before, and the regulations were quite strict on what could be brought in. Gary >> Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it >> is the lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "Finger Tips" to handle the lens. Nice way to get body oils on the > lens. Yes, that didn't set to well with me. Makes buying a $5,000 lens really reassuring. > I suspect that this might be from some sort of training film done > outside a clean room. Strange as it seems, they might not want video > cameras taping inside a clean room. I have worked in a clean room > before, and the regulations were quite strict on what could be brought > in. I'm not so sure it would be a training film done outside a clean room. Taking a camera in a clean room can be a trivial feat if it is prepared for. My suspicion is this, or any video, would have been done with the best techniques and methods available to highlight their strengths. This video did the opposite. It is what we don't see that worries me. For all we know the tech could be salivating and dropping rice from her mouth over the lens. Maybe a good sneeze? Rita SignatureStamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet Stimulus Project page. http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com On 5/12/08 7:04 PM, in article Od-dnc3Swv7cRrXVnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@supernews.com, "Rita Berkowitz" <ritaberk2008@aol.com> wrote: >>> Now that was a cool video. The only thing that troubled me about it >>> is the lack of QA in the manufacturing steps and the careless [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > It is what we don't see that worries me. For all we know > the tech could be salivating and dropping rice from her mouth over the lens. Projecting again? > Bit OT, but for anyone that's interested, how a Canon lens is made (video > is in three parts due to youtube restrictions): > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkWsk9rXpcU Now I like the japanese even more. Now I see why it's impossible to do any repairs in any high-end appliance. Who can match the skill of these technicians? Well done, kyanon again (Canon in japanese). (My Pixma iP 4300, its original cartridges and paper are made in japan, probably one of the last products to do so). SignatureTzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering mechanized infantry reservist hordad AT otenet DOT gr : Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques from : Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After conclusive : tests it has been determined that Nikon is using the same formula for their : space age material as Canon. Even little subtleties in the lens mount have : been stolen from Canon. This is going to be a major blemish on Nikon's : reputation. Getting ready to switch sides again are you, Rita? >> Nikon was caught stealing lens design and manufacturing techniques >> from Canon and incorporating them into their latest lenses. After [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Getting ready to switch sides again are you, Rita? On the contrary. I'm glad to see Nikon have a FUCKPAW with this lens as it will drive the price of classic Nikkors up. I'm a bit disappointed in Nikon opting to follow Canon's lead on sub par pro lenses with plastic barrels and short screws. Rita SignatureStamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet Stimulus Project page. http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com |
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