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Montaged Panorama from images 3 days apart.
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Douglas - 09 Dec 2007 09:31 GMT The idea of a panorama seems to have no "standard" aspect ratio. 16:9 is the aspect ratio adopted by many Japanese camera makers as a panorama but this is by no means definitive. I use this 16:9 ratio to keep my panoramas a constant, manageable ratio if nothing else. Like many others, I often increase this when the need arrises.
I few years ago I shot a photo of a creek. I liked the picture but it left me wondering what I'd missed so... A couple of days later when the lighting looked similar, I went back and shot the "missing" component I needed for the image.
This is the result: http://www.douglasjames.com.au/Pano.htm.
the second image was "blended" into the first with the erase tool LOL!
Douglas
Douglas - 09 Dec 2007 23:42 GMT Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: http://www.douglasjames.com.au/Pano.htm (might need to hit the refresh button) I also put in a line where the image had been joined. There is an area near the motor of the yacht that needs work but the purpose of posting the image was to obtain "photographer's" critical opinions. Not that photographer's are my target aduence, mind you.
Whenever I have doubts about the pre-sale acceptance of one of my images, I post it to newsgroups and take account of what people who use cameras have to say. In many, many instances critics of my work have been totally off target. The most glaring example of this is my pelicans at dusk shot on Nth Stradbroke Island where critics were quite vocal about my "inapropriete" use of flash... The print was a raging success sales wise.
I made a prelimnary print of this scene (not the exact one I've posted) for opinion at the Gallery over the weekend. As a print, the requirements of gamma (lightness/darkness) are dependent on many issues not directly related to exposure of the scene which is why the one I posted looked "light" on a monitor. Delicate is the word.
People "see" detail in shadow areas of a scene like this which cannot be captured with a camera. They also see detail in highlights past what a camera can capture. In this case it "looked" pale but when finished with an antique ivory frame and slightly darker matt to produce a "lightness" in the whole picture, it looks entirely correct... Very watercolourish, you might say. Certainly one that a lot of viewers though to be "very nice"... For a free cup of coffee!!
I've always contended that dark decorations on a wall - such as you suggested this picture needed and which I must say make a screen image look "nicer", simply have too narrow a market for today's Interiour decoration needs.
Anyway... Thanks for your civil input.
Douglas ------------------------------- Doug Jewel wrote:
For what you are trying to demonstrate (panorama made with images taken at substantially different times), then I guess it's not a bad effort, although to be certain of how good the merge is, it would be necessary to view it closer than a low resolution internet image.
Personally though I think it is overexposed substantially. If "_DUSK_ at wynnum creek" is the subject, then IMO the image should portray the look of dusk, which is normally done by underexposing slightly. As a dusk shot, the main "subject" becomes the sky & water colours, not the boats and trees in the background. The boats would become a supporting subject to add interest. As your shot stands, it is a photo of some boats, oh and hey, there is a bit of odd colour in the sky so maybe it is dusk. A little less exposure would add some "pop" to the water and sky colours and bring them out as the main subject. If this means the trees go to sillhouette, then so be it - they are a minor part of the image. A little more cropping on the right wouldn't go astray either.
When I first saw the shot, I wondered what was wrong with the colour balance - it wasn't until I saw the description "dusk at wynnum creek" that I realised it was a dusk shot. I found by turning down my monitor brightness to the point where I lost everything darker than 70 on your strip on your home-page, that the image then had the pop that a dusk shot should have (except for the big blob of bright white on the left hand side). Note that at my normal monitor brightness I can see every step on your test strip, so my monitor at normal brightness should be similar to yours.
With less exposure, the shot wouldn't be too bad at all.
> This is the result: http://www.douglasjames.com.au/Pano.htm. > > the second image was "blended" into the first with the erase tool LOL! > > Douglas Annika1980 - 10 Dec 2007 01:16 GMT > Whenever I have doubts about the pre-sale acceptance of one of my images, I > post it to newsgroups and take account of what people who use cameras have > to say. In many, many instances critics of my work have been totally off > target. The most glaring example of this is my pelicans at dusk shot on Nth > Stradbroke Island where critics were quite vocal about my "inapropriete" use > of flash... The print was a raging success sales wise. A "raging success?" What is that ... two?
Annika1980 - 10 Dec 2007 01:19 GMT > Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your > suggestion regarding gamma at the same address:http://www.douglasjames.com.au/Pano.htm (might need to hit the refresh > button) I also put in a line where the image had been joined. OK, so you cleaned up the sky a bit (one wonders why you didn't do that the first time). So what's with the line? Is that another anti- theft mechanism? Damn, that is almost as annoying as plastering "DOUGLAS ST. JAMES" right across the pic. And you still haven't posted the pic at a size that would allow serious critique. But then you don't want that, do you?
Doug Jewell - 10 Dec 2007 09:17 GMT > Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your > suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the image was to obtain "photographer's" critical opinions. Not that > photographer's are my target aduence, mind you. Darn, can't see the original to compare!! But this does look a bit better than how I remember last night's image. Personally, I'd go a bit darker yet, but that's just personal preference.
Douglas - 10 Dec 2007 09:43 GMT >> Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your >> suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > than how I remember last night's image. Personally, I'd go a bit darker > yet, but that's just personal preference. The original: http://www.douglasjames.com.au/pano-creek.jpg
send me you email and I'll keep you up to speed on the "real" image- as in the one I am printing for sale. 600mm high. It is intended to blend in with water colour prints, framed pale, matted pale and well... basically pale. Unless of course it all pales into insignificance!
Douglas
Pete D - 10 Dec 2007 10:19 GMT >>> Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your >>> suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Douglas Condused say, why you want everyones email maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate???
Douglas - 10 Dec 2007 10:49 GMT >>>> Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your >>>> suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Condused say, why you want everyones email maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate??? No Pete. I have yours. I was replying to Doug Jewel who requires people to ask for his addy. Yours must be a very busy mail server mate! It keeps telling me 'no' is a reserved name. It's great to be that important, isn't it? It must be to do with the "Peter Dee" thing you deny being. Maybe your name is really Peter no?
Douglas
Pete D - 10 Dec 2007 19:30 GMT >>>>> Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your >>>>> suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Douglas Yes Douglas my name is Peter, no tricking you hey? So send me an email Einstien!
Draco - 10 Dec 2007 15:05 GMT > > Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your > > suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Personally, I'd go a bit darker yet, but that's just > personal preference. I have to agree with Doug Jewell. The image would promote a better "feeling" of dusk if printed a bit darker. Also the white of the boats to the left(the yellow hulled sail and the small cabin crusier) could be brought down a stop, so it wouldn't be an eye attraction. Competing with the colors of the sky and reflections in the water is a distraction to me.
I hope you will remove that line from the image. I know you left it to show where the splice was done. But half the fun of Panoramics is doing them so you can't see the splicing.
Draco
Douglas - 10 Dec 2007 20:26 GMT >> > Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your >> > suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Draco Please tell me Draco, what is it that attracts you to the image? Is it the colours of the sky or the scene itself?
A Photographer who often sells his work has a similar scene but from a different angle shot in bright light. It has blown highlights and a yellow cast to it but it sells regularly. http://www.craigtaylorphotography.com/files/2014644/uploaded/CTP-015%20.jpg
I'm very curious what it is people see in a photograph. At this point all I know for sure is that about half the people who look at my work like it and the other half walk away from it. I hoped the offer of a free cappuccino at the gallery for an opinion would help but all it did was get a bunch of old farts in for free coffee and although some were heard to make negative remarks, all said they were lovely pictures! LOL. A fun day just the same.
Douglas
Draco - 10 Dec 2007 20:56 GMT > >> > Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your > >> > suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Please tell me Draco, what is it that attracts you to the image? Is it the > colours of the sky or the scene itself? It is more than just the colors of the sky playing across the waters or the angle the land is diaginal to the upright masts of the sail boats or the placement of the right foward sail boat. It is the feeling of rest at the end of a long day sailing. The peace of enjoying a quiet moment over still waters. Being able to capture that moment on an image is what makes a difference between a snap shooter and an photographer.
> A Photographer who often sells his work has a similar scene but from a > different angle shot in bright light. It has blown highlights and a yellow > cast to it but it sells regularly.http://www.craigtaylorphotography.com/files/2014644/uploaded/CTP-015%... Compared to the image you produced, this needs help. I do not like the feel of it nor the washed out colors. The horizon is dead center in this one. Even with the bit of a headland coming into view in the upper left doesn't really help any. And people but this??
> I'm very curious what it is people see in a photograph. At this point all I > know for sure is that about half the people who look at my work like it and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Douglas I only offer my opinion on images I see. You made a claim that I was an..what did you call me? An old man who spends his money on PC's and nothing on photography. Well, every one is entitled to thier opinion. You have your and I have mine. There it is and there it lays.
Oh yeah, I am cross posting because that is what I want.
Draco
Douglas - 10 Dec 2007 21:42 GMT >> >> > Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your >> >> > suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Draco You remind me of a old codger ( WW1 vet) in the nursing home my Grandfather was in. He used to sit with his legs in such a way it would trip people with sight problems. When I asked him why he did it he told me he was old enough to do as he dammed well pleased and anyway... He chose to because nobody could take away his thoughts. Sort of premature senility, I thought.
Remember your childhood Draco.... "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never harm me". Just as you have a right to an opinion, so do I. If they conflict, let's see which of us can afford the first missile and see if we can find someone with enough brains to launch and guide it, shall we?
Have a happy Christmas Jim, lets hope next year is more civil than this one.
Douglas
Doug Jewell - 10 Dec 2007 21:46 GMT >>>> Taking your suggestion Doug, I've posted a revised image with your >>>> suggestion regarding gamma at the same address: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Please tell me Draco, what is it that attracts you to the image? Is it the > colours of the sky or the scene itself? For me, it would be the whole combination of scene/colours etc. A straight "sunset over water" shot is usually a bit boring, and needs a bit of a subject to liven it up, but at the same time if that subject becomes overwhelming, you lose the sunset appeal, and it just becomes a photo of the subject. No offense intended, but just a bunch of boats sitting in a creek is also a bit boring. It is my opinion (and take note of that O word), that this photo would work better if it was darkened a bit more, to give the "dusk" aspect of it a bit greater impact, and lessen the impact of the boats a little.
> A Photographer who often sells his work has a similar scene but from a > different angle shot in bright light. It has blown highlights and a yellow > cast to it but it sells regularly. > http://www.craigtaylorphotography.com/files/2014644/uploaded/CTP-015%20.jpg Does he really sell this image? I look at that, and think "yuck". It doesn't attract me at all, but then I'm not a fan of "boats in a creek". Not that I would buy either, but if I had to buy one, I'd buy your image over that one.
> I'm very curious what it is people see in a photograph. At this point all I > know for sure is that about half the people who look at my work like it and > the other half walk away from it. I hoped the offer of a free cappuccino at > the gallery for an opinion would help but all it did was get a bunch of old > farts in for free coffee and although some were heard to make negative > remarks, all said they were lovely pictures! LOL. A fun day just the same. Different strokes for different folks. And a bunch of photographers are probably the worst to critique a shot. I don't actively sell my photos - I take them for my enjoyment only, but I have on occasion sold photos - A couple of times I've been getting prints done, and other customers in the photo lab have offered to purchase photos there on the spot. Also I've had cases where friends and family have told their friends about a particular shot I have, and so they have purchased a copy.
But the funny thing is, the images which I have sold, are ones that have been pulled to pieces when posted on a forum. What's good to my eye, and what's good to some stranger in a photolab's eye, is complete crap in the eye of someone else.
Anyway, here's a few of my pics - some recent, some not so recent. Some are snapshots, some were trying to get a specific look which I didn't quite pull off, and some I did achieve what I was aiming for. Some I have sold, most I haven't. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdaj/ Comments, positve and negative, welcome. (See if you can work out which ones I sold).
> Douglas
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