The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
Faced with the need for silence but having instructions to capture the
ceremony ruled out using a DSLR with their quaint clatter as a spring
loaded mirror comes to a shuddering halt against hard rubber stops and
the equally noisy “clack” of their shutters… Instead I used one of my
Panasonic FZ50 "santa's little helper" cameras in stealth mode.
No mirror to slap, no vibrations to blur the shot. No need for high
shutter speed = high ISO… None of that stuff but perfect pictures none
the less!
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/panasonic-perfect.htm
Douglas

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Pete D - 14 Nov 2007 08:53 GMT
> The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
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> Douglas
ROFL! Where can we buy a copy, these are just amazing!!
Doug Jewell - 14 Nov 2007 09:14 GMT
> The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
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> Douglas
You should change your nick to "Showbags" - things look ok
at first, but ultimately it turns out to be just the same
old sh.t.
Skinner1@hotmail.com - 14 Nov 2007 11:29 GMT
>The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
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>Douglas
So what are you saying here? That there is no one camera that meets
evry photogaphic need.
Well, Welcome to the world of reality there sunshine! Glad to see your
light bulb finally got screwed in! Now tell me, did you figure this
out all on your own or did you use Google?
Annika1980 - 14 Nov 2007 13:14 GMT
> Instead I used one of my Panasonic FZ50 "santa's little helper" cameras in stealth mode.
Wait a minute. You already said that these pics were taken by Margie.
So are you now Marg, posting as D-Mac?
RichA - 14 Nov 2007 15:27 GMT
> The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
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> If you don't defend your rights... You end up without any!
Nice enough looking image, for 640 x 420 size. But I agree about the
silent part, I wish Sony had kept the R1 going and incorporated IS
because it was silent and had a good sensor, unlike most P&Ss.
Wolfgang Weisselberg - 14 Nov 2007 22:41 GMT
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> Faced with the need for silence but having instructions to capture the
> ceremony [...] I used one of my Panasonic FZ50
> No mirror to slap, no vibrations to blur the shot. No need for high
> shutter speed = high ISO? None of that stuff but perfect pictures none
> the less!
You are just too cheap to spring for a Leica, or any other real
range finder camera.
But then, any 2003 2MPix P&S can do that ...
-Wolfgang
Scott W - 15 Nov 2007 02:50 GMT
> The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
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> Douglas
Well if you are happy with you FZ50 great, but I have yet to run into a
problem with the noise from my shutter. This is kind of like RichA
telling all of us that we should be having big problems with dust on our
sensors, just does not happen to me. Same thing with shutter noise,
just not an issue for me.
High noise and slow lenses is an issue for me however so when I am
shooting in low light I will use my DSLR and not my point and shoot. IS
has very little to do with it since it is people moving not camera shake
that gives me the most blur, and IS is not going to help that.
But again if you are happy more power to you.
Scott
Billy - 15 Nov 2007 06:14 GMT
On Nov 15, 1:50 pm, Scott W <biph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Douglas wrote:
> > The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
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The FZ50 beats the SLR ones a bigtime: In ISO Noise. I actualy had az
FZ50, that i why i went back and got the 400D instead of.
Andrew Haley - 19 Nov 2007 12:25 GMT
> The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
> Faced with the need for silence but having instructions to capture the
> ceremony ruled out using a DSLR with their quaint clatter as a spring
> loaded mirror comes to a shuddering halt against hard rubber stops and
> the equally noisy âclackâ of their shutters⦠Instead I used one of my
> Panasonic FZ50 "santa's little helper" cameras in stealth mode.
> No mirror to slap, no vibrations to blur the shot. No need for high
> shutter speed = high ISO⦠None of that stuff but perfect pictures none
> the less!
> http://www.douglasjames.com.au/panasonic-perfect.htm
There's a nasty magenta cast in the midtones.
Andrew.
Andrew Haley - 19 Nov 2007 17:17 GMT
In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote:
>> The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
>> Faced with the need for silence but having instructions to capture the
>> ceremony ruled out using a DSLR with their quaint clatter as a spring
>> loaded mirror comes to a shuddering halt against hard rubber stops and
>> the equally noisy âclackâ of their shutters⦠Instead I used one of my
>> Panasonic FZ50 "santa's little helper" cameras in stealth mode.
>> No mirror to slap, no vibrations to blur the shot. No need for high
>> shutter speed = high ISO⦠None of that stuff but perfect pictures none
>> the less!
>> http://www.douglasjames.com.au/panasonic-perfect.htm
> There's a nasty magenta cast in the midtones.
Sorry, I meant the highlights. I can't tell whether the midtones have
a magenta cast as well.
Andrew.
Poxy - 19 Nov 2007 22:51 GMT
> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Andrew Haley
> <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote:
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> Sorry, I meant the highlights. I can't tell whether the midtones have
> a magenta cast as well.
You're right - you can see it in the quarter-tones of the folds of the
dress. And yes, nasty.
It looks like Panasonic, in attempting to distance itself from the
disasterous FZ30 by skipping the FZ40 and releasing the FZ50, failed to
completely fix the colour problems that plagued the FZ30.
Douglas - 20 Nov 2007 03:33 GMT
>> In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Andrew Haley
>> <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote:
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> disasterous FZ30 by skipping the FZ40 and releasing the FZ50, failed to
> completely fix the colour problems that plagued the FZ30.
What you are seeing there is not a Panasonic reds-in-white issue but my
Neanderthal approach to working with mixed lighting. The alcove they are in
front of is lit with fluoro lights. Left unaltered it produces a sickly
green tinge to the background whilst the body of the church (including the
dress) is normal daylight with overhead incandescing lights directly above
the couple... Sort of every photographer's perfect lighting situation! LOL.
Magenta is easier on the eye than the horrible tinge of a fluoro light. This
is a picture highly descriptive of what "Mixed lighting" is all about. You
can't filter for daylight without producing a green tinge where it is most
noticeable. All I did was correct the whole scene to a warmer looking cast
by use of "photo filters" than leave the important part green.
There is no magenta in the dress of the original image, just a horrible
green tinge to the background. FZ50s do have a problem with saturation of
red. They are after all an RGB camera using a sensor derived in many ways
from Panasonic's television cameras. Panasonic has a long way to go before
they reach the right balance.
All my FZs have too much yellow and too much red. If you shoot 2/3rd of a
stop under to prevent UV in white dresses blowing, you actually increase the
saturation as you lift the shadows. I use a "droplet" in Photoshop to alter
the hew +10 and pull the red and yellow saturation -15 and -20 respectively.
The images then look as good as any you'll get from a Canon 20D. Which
incidentally, also need to have manipulation of their images to render them
natural too.
Have a look again and you'll see an image I reduced the warming filter from
25% to 8% on. I personally think the first picture was more pleasing. The
green light influence is still prominent.
Douglas
Andrew Haley - 20 Nov 2007 14:42 GMT
In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Douglas <just@the.group> wrote:
> http://www.douglasjames.com.au/panasonic-perfect.htm
> What you are seeing there is not a Panasonic reds-in-white issue but
> my Neanderthal approach to working with mixed lighting. The alcove
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> incandescing lights directly above the couple... Sort of every
> photographer's perfect lighting situation! LOL.
> Magenta is easier on the eye than the horrible tinge of a fluoro
> light. This is a picture highly descriptive of what "Mixed lighting"
> is all about. You can't filter for daylight without producing a
> green tinge where it is most noticeable. All I did was correct the
> whole scene to a warmer looking cast by use of "photo filters" than
> leave the important part green.
Ah, yes, I see. In which case, you've done a pretty good job of
fixing a tough problem. However, there's still something I don't
understand: "hand held at what for a DSLR is impossibly low shutter
speeds..." But, IME, 1/15 is well within the range of a DSLR with
image stabilization.
Andrew.
John Adams - 20 Nov 2007 10:42 GMT
> Sorry, I meant the highlights. I can't tell whether the midtones have
> a magenta cast as well.
>
> Andrew.
Easily corrected if need be in Photoshop or The Gimp etc. so that is a
non issue.
Annika1980 - 21 Nov 2007 01:38 GMT
> > Sorry, I meant the highlights. I can't tell whether the midtones have
> > a magenta cast as well.
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> Easily corrected if need be in Photoshop or The Gimp etc. so that is a
> non issue.
Apparently, not too easily for the idiot who posted the pic.
His long-winded excuse-filled explanation could have been boiled down
to, "I'm too stupid to figure out that Layer thingy."
John Adams - 20 Nov 2007 10:36 GMT
> The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
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> Douglas
My DSLR has live view on the LCD so I can lock up the mirror out of the
way of the LCD and do the same thing.
Douglas - 20 Nov 2007 20:24 GMT
>> The DSLR devotees and worshipers of EOS will not be pleased about this.
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> My DSLR has live view on the LCD so I can lock up the mirror out of the
> way of the LCD and do the same thing.
Perhaps ...but you would still have had to (noisily) lock up the mirror.
House rules forbid that. I get special exemption at (some) churches because
the FZ50 operates silently. I'm not sure if you can keep the mirror locked
up or have to reset it with each shot. The FZ50 runs in silent mode all the
time.
LCD viewfinders is a very new feature arriving on DSLRs. Long overdue too.
One of my new cameras (which I hope will arrive before Christmas) has this
feature so my opinion of the best gear for the job could change soon. Also
if the D3 does have the performance at ISO 3200 it is reported to have, it
will change forever the way we take low light photos. Unless of course house
rules forbid cameras making noise!
Douglas
John Adams - 22 Nov 2007 19:28 GMT
> Perhaps ...but you would still have had to (noisily) lock up the mirror.
> House rules forbid that. I get special exemption at (some) churches because
> the FZ50 operates silently. I'm not sure if you can keep the mirror locked
> up or have to reset it with each shot.
It stays locked up until you turn off the live view. I could lock it up
before I enter the church and keep it that way until I either leave or
the batteries go dead.