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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / Australian Photography / September 2007The Fong rip off...
How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? Well here they are on sale for $2 each! Just about their true worth! Exposed with that masterpiece of a camera... The FZ 50 Panasonic! http://www.ryadia.com/PFF/Bret's-beaut-flash.htm Doug > How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Doug so in your ignorance you bought the cheap "Lambency Diffuser" imitation and then have the hide to say that the Fong is a rip-off, again you show your true colours by comparing apples to oranges. I wonder if Gary Fong and his legal people know your making false claims about HIS product by saying it is a cheap Chinese knockoff. Oh thats right, they do :-)  SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! > > How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of them? > Noons: Absolutely GREAT! Totally hopeless people like you think the "Genuine" Fong diffuser is somehow worth $42 more than it cost to make. By anyone's standard such profit margins are a "Rip off". These Chinese versions are not exact replicas so there is no copyright infringement and Fong wasn't original enough in his design for it to be patentable. What you are seeing here is the culmination of YOUR freedom on the Internet. The thing is no better and in many ways worse than using a sheet of tissue or tracing paper to scatter the light. You can achieve the same effect by using the bottom of a bleach bottle. Gary Fong had a good old time making major bucks for a while. Now he's got some competition Whoopie! I started selling wedding photography packages on eBay when no one else did. As soon as the wannabes saw my sales figures they jumped in and now no one makes enough out of it. Big deal. The profits in this world are made by innovators, not imitators. By the time the imitators get their act together, a real innovator has made his money and innovated something else. You can choose to consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. You do have a name, don't you? Why are you hiding it? Doug >>> How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? >>> Well here they are on sale for $2 each! Just about their true worth! [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Doug Well no actually whats happening here Doug is that you have again created a post where you are comparing a product from a reputable professional, with a cheap Chinese ripoff that looks like a cheap plastic throw away drink cup with a hole cut in the bottom for the flash "Adapter" and a plastic lid. Side by side the Fong diffuser is much better built, and made from obviously higher grade components and without a doubt works much better. Then you go and post how the "Gary Fong" is ripping everyone off and in essence your saying the cheapie IS the Gary Fong with one simple sentence "How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? Well here they are on sale for $2 each!" when clearly they are NOT the Gary Fong diffuser, squirm as you might, the simple fact is you are defaming a reputable Professional Photographer by your willful ignorance and blatant lies. And Yes I DID report this to Gary Fong via email today, complete with full headers from your original message, including the link to your defamatory web page, whether anything comes of this, I dont know, but I'm sure that if more posters started to report your on line defamation to the companies that you are defaming with your obvious and poorly executed attempts at manipulating images to show them in a poor light, then I'm sure that by the time these companies Legal departments get through with you, you will be back to shooting snotty 3 year olds at Christmas time with your trusty box brownie, because thats all you will have left. > then I'm sure that by the time these companies Legal departments get > through with you, ooooo, I'm sure the "companies Legal departments", whatwever the f.ck that means, will bo soooooo busy following up on your crap! So let me see: is it Gary Fong's company Legal department? sh.t, must be a wide world out there when someone selling a paper cup can aford a "Legal department". What you also need to do is extract your head out of your arse, it's in risk of coming up through your belly button... > consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that > in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. You > do have a name, don't you? Why are you hiding it? His name is Paul and he posts from a Californican address: 24.224.221.97 > > consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that > > in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. You [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Californican address: > 24.224.221.97 meant to say Canadian, apologies. >> consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that >> in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. You [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Californican address: > 24.224.221.97 WOW, not even close, but please keep trying Nuno, you might even get the right continent eventually. As I said, I'm posting from NSW, you know, the same state your in, I’m just on the other side of the Blue Mtns :-) Its a nice sunny morning here, though close to midday, I expect its the Same in Sydney as well, so you have a lovely day :-) SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! >>> consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that >>> in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. You [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Its a nice sunny morning here, though close to midday, I expect its the > Same in Sydney as well, so you have a lovely day :-) I have a question for you Bart... Why is it when I search on your name all I find is offensive and degrading comments in a variety of groups? Is it that you are a nasty prick or is that you'd like to be one? Doug >>>> consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that >>>> in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. You [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Doug Here is a clue for the clueless, try searching by email address, from memory there are several El Bartos on usenet. Oh and while your at it do a search of that foul mouthed Noons, I see he is able to go around telling everyone to "Get f.cked" all over these groups, yet not a peep from you about his swearing on a public forum and reporting him to HIS ISP, why is it that you have one rule for most, and another for your lap-dog ? Is it because if the pair of you can drive away the knowlegable photographers, you can then spew your drivel without fear of being shown up for the clueless little weasel you realy are ?? SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! >>>>> consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that >>>>> in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. You [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > photographers, you can then spew your drivel without fear of being shown > up for the clueless little weasel you realy are ?? I don't think you're paying attention here. Had you been doing so, you'd know I already suggested to Noons his behaviour was getting into a dangerous area. The fact others were prodding him has escaped you, has it? Or is it just because he hasn't targeted me with defamatory lies and therefore I have no need to retaliate that bothers you? If you and those with your mental issues pulled your heads in, these groups would be a much better place to spend a little time. As it is, you and people with your mentality are the ones starting the trouble. Don't get your nose out of joint when people who expect some common courtesy, get agro enough to let fly with a few adjectives when socio economically disadvantaged w.nkers can't control their primal urges. Don't be surprised either to discover when all your posts are directed at a particular person and they are all inside the definition of a bully's posts or fit the description of stalker, you get put in for it. It's bad enough that small time crooks are turning the Internet into a crime scene without weak minded individuals turning Usenet into a playing field for stalking and bullying. Doug >>>>>> consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that >>>>>> in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. You [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > know I already suggested to Noons his behaviour was getting into a dangerous > area. The fact others were prodding him has escaped you, has it? No one prodded him, he went of on his tirade without assistance from anyone, all you did was told him to calm down, no mention was made of his swearing or obscenities, that little fact has not escaped the attention of the regulars > Or is it just because he hasn't targeted me with defamatory lies and > therefore I have no need to retaliate that bothers you? If you and those > with your mental issues pulled your heads in, these groups would be a much > better place to spend a little time. the current one doing the defamation on this group is you Doug, or has that fact escaped you? and the one making most of the posts intended to incite negative comment (something you seem to thrive on) is you, the current thread is just one example and then there is "D-MAC'S LATEST DSLR VS. P&S TEST !" another blatant false comparison on your part, I believe there are still a lot of unanswered questions you have studiously avoided in there. Admittedly you have started a few threads showcasing your OK photography skills > As it is, you and people with your mentality are the ones starting the > trouble. Don't get your nose out of joint when people who expect some common > courtesy, get agro enough to let fly with a few adjectives when socio > economically disadvantaged w.nkers can't control their primal urges. I don't start the trouble Doug, but I will do my damnedest to make sure that yours and Noons doesn't go unnoticed. I'm Socio economically disadvantaged now!! I will remember to let my Accountant know the next time I see her, or is that a dig at where I CHOOSE to live Doug ?? > Don't be surprised either to discover when all your posts are directed at a > particular person and they are all inside the definition of a bully's posts > or fit the description of stalker, you get put in for it. I'm sure your well versed with the definition of a Bully Doug, after all you are the poster child for that particular genre > It's bad enough that small time crooks are turning the Internet into a crime > scene without weak minded individuals turning Usenet into a playing field > for stalking and bullying. > > Doug yet you of all people have the hide to ask for a persons name on usenet, when everyone knows full well that you will, at the first opportunity turn that knowledge against them because they may have said something you don't like about your work, work I might add that YOU are putting out there for criticism, yet when it is forthcoming and not to your liking, you threaten legal retribution and go all postal with threats to ISP's and State and Federal police. do you see the double standards there Doug, I suppose not, because if you did, you might see why your in so many kill files. SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! >>>>>>> consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that >>>>>>> in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > Federal police. do you see the double standards there Doug, I suppose not, > because if you did, you might see why your in so many kill files. That's not exactly correct Bart. I complied with every law and regulation in existence when I became part of the Internet community. I started out with the belief if I followed the legal requirements of every Government department in Australia, I'd be "doing the right thing". That didn't turn out to be the "right thing" for me... just every lunatic on the planet who saw me as a soft target. The day I went on-line, I published full disclosure of who the directors of the ISP company I'd floated were, as required by law. Ever since then I've had as my constant companion, I plethora of Federal Government investigators looking for information about my clients and their off-shore dealings. The shonky ISPs who never bothered to register escaped without any of that crap. When I floated Technology Australia Pty Ltd to develop and market my enlargement algorithm, Linux software and digital photo printing service, I complied with Australian law and disclosed the names of the directors of the company where ever it was required. It is required to be put on the web site of every Australian business doing business or advertising on the Internet. Ever since then, I've had as my constant troll One cretin calling himself Mark Thomas now but earlier using the name of Charles Stevens who despite my years of warnings, still persists in posting defamation and lies about me and my business. When he gets caught out, there's no apology just silence until the next time he goes ballistic. He's done that a little too often now and got my full attention. Anyone in the world who takes exception to me fighting fire with fire, can (as some have) complain to my ISP, The AFP and the Queensland State Police. All those people have full disclosure from me, even though not all agree with how I am handling the situation. At the end of the day I've had enough of people who hid behind forged and false identities, posting through anonymous servers and spreading lies about me and defaming my clients. I'm fed up with the interference to my business and my participation in newsgroups. I'm not now of the opinion that giving back as good as they dish out is likely to achieve any sort of outcome likely to keep me seen as the innocent party. Now, I simply report the people who can't display on Usenet, the common courtesy they expect from people in real life... I lodge complaints to the authorities most able to take action against them. It works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't but one thing I can assure you absolutely... If you never lie about me, post derogatory remarks about me and address me with a basic level of courtesy expected in day to day community existence, you'll never need to concern yourself with the avenues I use to ensure I get responsible communication from people. You and anyone else are free to make whatever comment you feel like about my photos. You are not free to expect me to display them in a way that allows every tom dick and harry to download them for their own entertainment. If you want to look at my pictures, see them the way I am prepared to show them. If you want to pass comment, do so without insults and without attempting to lit up a flame war... Is this expecting too much? Doug >>>>>>>> consider me ignorant if you want - that's your choice but to do that >>>>>>>> in confusion like you are here is your mistake... Whoever you are. [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] > I complied with every law and regulation in existence when I became part of > the Internet community. how soon we forget. "How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? Well here they are on sale for $2 each!" I have it on good authority that this is called "Defamation" last time I looked, that was an offence........ pretty much makes the rest of your rant a waste of time. I started out with the belief if I followed the > legal requirements of every Government department in Australia, I'd be > "doing the right thing". That didn't turn out to be the "right thing" for [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > All those people have full disclosure from me, even though not all agree > with how I am handling the situation. I have no qualms with you protecting your copy write, but do you think that a Judge is going to be impressed with your own defamatory web sites, http://www.julianabbot.com/legalactions/ has a whole front page that is essentially accusing Mark Thomas of doing all the things you apparently hate yet I see not one single "allegedly" or "was reported to have" on the entire front page, and until an actual legal judgement has been made, you are in fact defaming Mark Thomas. Again I point out your double standards. A third year law student would have you begging for mercy as the sheriff's were dragging all your possessions out to the truck so they could be sold off to pay Mark for his judgement against you. Do you see why no one here believes a word you say?? > At the end of the day I've had enough of people who hid behind forged and > false identities, posting through anonymous servers and spreading lies about > me and defaming my clients. I'm fed up with the interference to my business > and my participation in newsgroups. Yet you have a history of sock-puppetry on these groups! > I'm not now of the opinion that giving back as good as they dish out is > likely to achieve any sort of outcome likely to keep me seen as the innocent [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Doug then maybe you better put that petrol tin down before your fanning of the flames turns around and bites you on the arse! SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! > his swearing or obscenities, that little fact has not escaped the > attention of the regulars "regulars", fuckwit? Who? You? Get f.cked, arsehole troll! > I don't start the trouble Doug, but I will do my damnedest to make sure > that yours and Noons doesn't go unnoticed. Dear me, I'm sooooo terrified. Now, f.ck off, troll. >> his swearing or obscenities, that little fact has not escaped the >> attention of the regulars [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Dear me, I'm sooooo terrified. > Now, f.ck off, troll. You live in Sydney ?? Take a walk along a beach this afternoon, it might help calm you down....... SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! > Oh and while your at it do a search of that foul mouthed Noons, I see he > is able to go around telling everyone to "Get f.cked" all over these > groups, yet not a peep from you about his swearing on a public forum and nonononono, you got it all wrong. It's not "get f.cked". It's: f.ck OFF aus.photo, you dumbfuck retard. Is it clear now or you still under the influence of the fumes, you stupid dipshit troll? And it shows up every time fuckwits like you who have never contributed ANYTHING to a newsgroup pretend to take the high ground and come out of the woodwork like the rat-arsed trolls you are. > Is it because if the pair of you can drive away the knowlegable > photographers, you can then spew your drivel without fear of being shown > up for the clueless little weasel you realy are ?? No, it's because I don't give a f.ck sh.t about clueless morons like YOU, who have NEVER contributed ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, and yet pretend to be all pure and nice. Go shove it up your arse, fuckwit. >> Oh and while your at it do a search of that foul mouthed Noons, I see he >> is able to go around telling everyone to "Get f.cked" all over these [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > yet pretend to be all pure and nice. > Go shove it up your arse, fuckwit. Wow, I think its time you checked your medication! first you admit to being a retard and now your foaming at the mouth and ranting like a complete and utter fool, your in dire need of some SERIOUS mental help my friend, I suggest you get it before all that spit dribbling from your chin short circuits something and you get electrocuted, seriously.................. SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! >>> Oh and while your at it do a search of that foul mouthed Noons, I see he >>> is able to go around telling everyone to "Get f.cked" all over these [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > from your chin short circuits something and you get electrocuted, > seriously.................. Don't be a flame troll Bart... You'll lose whatever cred you might have left. >>>> Oh and while your at it do a search of that foul mouthed Noons, I see he >>>> is able to go around telling everyone to "Get f.cked" all over these [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Don't be a flame troll Bart... You'll lose whatever cred you might have > left. regardless of how much "cred" I lose here, I will still have 1000% more than you and your lapdog :-) or have you not noticed that the ONLY one sticking up for you in this group is your pet spaniel? SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! >>>>> Oh and while your at it do a search of that foul mouthed Noons, I see >>>>> he [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > or have you not noticed that the ONLY one sticking up for you in this > group is your pet spaniel? "This group" Bart, is made up of individule people with their own opinions. Where ever you got the idea anyone needs to "stick up" for me is beyond comprehension. Plenty of people interact with me and we get along just fine. Why would you expect them to invite bad behaviour aimed at them, from a bunch of unsociable people by publicly "sticking up" for me when they have no need to do that? I'm well and truly seasoned enough in this world to fight my own battles. I'd be quite disappointed if anyone not effected by the idiots stuck their nose in to "stick up" for me. You really ought to get rid of the mob mentality thing and formulate a set of "life rules" for yourself. Only then can you expect any opinion you might express to be taken seriously. As things stand, you seem to need a certain kind of highly offensive company before you can express an opinion. You know ...when I refer to the "sheep" in these groups, I'm talking about those who need mob approval before they do anything. I'd imagine you are fatherless or else you had a father incapable of or unwilling to provide you with an education for success in life... Does that make you a loser? Only if you can't learn for yourself... Give it a try. You might be surprised at how people change their attitude towards you. It's no sin to be polite. Doug >>>>>> Oh and while your at it do a search of that foul mouthed Noons, I see >>>>>> he [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > of "life rules" for yourself. Only then can you expect any opinion you might > express to be taken seriously. Actualy Doug, I imagine that I get taken more seriously in this group than you do, It might have something to do with your persecution mentality, apparently there is a "group" here that is always picking on you, yet you have done nothing wrong............ > As things stand, you seem to need a certain kind of highly offensive company > before you can express an opinion. You know ...when I refer to the "sheep" > in these groups, I'm talking about those who need mob approval before they > do anything. yet you are the one "Sticking up" for one of the most offensive posters currently infecting this group double standards there Doug! > I'd imagine you are fatherless or else you had a father incapable of or > unwilling to provide you with an education for success in life... Does that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Doug Actually both my parents are alive and well Doug, I come from a long line of centenarian's and please don't pretend to take the high road, then lower yourself to have a dig at someones parents, you must know by now, with all your experience and all on the net, that comments like that are solely aimed at inflaming the situation, and for one who professes to not like fanning the flames, it looks like your setting double standards yet again. I will let my Dad know you send him your best wishes :-) SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! > Actualy Doug, I imagine that I get taken more seriously in this group > than you do, You have NEVER contributed anything whatsoever to this group, you demented liar. > yet you are the one "Sticking up" for one of the most offensive posters > currently infecting this group Actually, he isn't. But your butt-sniffing view of life is too narrow to even be able to see that. > Actually both my parents are alive and well Doug, I come from a long > line of centenarian's and please don't pretend to take the high road, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > professes to not like fanning the flames, it looks like your setting > double standards yet again. Go to bed, you stupid child. High time you got some sleep. >> yet you are the one "Sticking up" for one of the most offensive posters >> currently infecting this group > > Actually, I'm not. Typo fixed On Sep 27, 11:51 pm, Harold Hughes - Activity Director <....@---.com> wrote: > Typo fixed Piss of, dickhead. You can't even read a header. > On Sep 27, 11:51 pm, Harold Hughes - Activity Director <....@---.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Piss of, dickhead. > You can't even read a header. Yeah! like headers cant be forged............... SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! >> Actualy Doug, I imagine that I get taken more seriously in this group >> than you do, > > You have NEVER contributed anything whatsoever > to this group, you demented liar. I have contributed to this group by pointing out that you are an offensive retard and that D-Mac had double standards, I don't see many of your photographic posts in here, all I see from you lately is outright abuse and negative comments by those in the group that are actually posting their photographic work for comment and criticism, why is it that everyone but you and D-Mac have something positive to say and in most cases praise the work and effort put into those photo's ?? >> yet you are the one "Sticking up" for one of the most offensive posters >> currently infecting this group > > Actually, he isn't. But your butt-sniffing view of life > is too narrow to even be able to see that. so you admit to being offensive as well as a retard! >> Actually both my parents are alive and well Doug, I come from a long >> line of centenarian's and please don't pretend to take the high road, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Go to bed, you stupid child. High time you got > some sleep. I made my post at 6:50pm EST, you made yours at 11:41pm EST and YOUR the one telling me to get to bed! so who is really the stupid child here?? I noticed you have toned down your obscenities, did D-Mac (your master) get in your ear? or are you actually afraid that he will also turn on you like he has to so many other people he has professed to have a truce with, and report you to your ISP for swearing on a public forum ?? SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! > Wow, I think its time you checked your medication! The only one on chemicals here is you, troll. > ranting like a complete and utter fool, your in dire need of some > SERIOUS mental help my friend, I suggest you get it before all that spit > dribbling from your chin short circuits something and you get > electrocuted, seriously.................. The only one here dribbling is you, arsehole. And I'm not your friend, you stupid patronising git. As for the help,. start asking your God for it. And don't you EVER try to threaten me again, online or offline, you stupid fool. >> Wow, I think its time you checked your medication! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And don't you EVER try to threaten me again, > online or offline, you stupid fool. when have I EVER threatened you! put up or shut up. SignatureAnnika1980: How does it feel to be the usual retard responsible for many of them? Noons: Absolutely GREAT! > How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Doug Note these pics from the Lambency site: http://www.flash-diffuser.com/cloud.html http://www.flash-diffuser.com/clear.htm They were stolen from this page on Gary Fong's website: http://store.garyfonginc.com/liiido.html Congrats, Doug. You are now supporting a Chinese company who engages in copyright infringement and image theft. I can only imagine what reaction you might have if some of your pics showed up on their site. >> How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I can only imagine what reaction you might have if some of your pics > showed up on their site. So how do you feel yourself? Doug >>> How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Doug Probably the same way you do, puts his hands in his pants and there it is!!! > > Congrats, Doug. You are now supporting a Chinese company who engages > > in copyright infringement and image theft. > > I can only imagine what reaction you might have if some of your pics > > showed up on their site. > > So how do you feel yourself? Usually, in the dark. >> How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > They were stolen from this page on Gary Fong's website: > http://store.garyfonginc.com/liiido.html I did not look at all of Gary Fong's website, but with the links you gave it looks like the photo of the hand in the clear diffuser is larger and clearer from the Lambency site compared to the same image on Fong's site. One has to wonder just where this photo originated from. Scott maybe they Used Douggies "enlargement algorithm" to make the picture bigger and add detail from nothing. Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg >>> How many people rushed out and bought a Gary Fong diffuser? >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Scott |
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