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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / Australian Photography / September 2007JUST ANOTHER NIGHT AT THE OLD BALLYARD!
Another hot 105° day in Paradise today, but we had threatening skies around sundown so it wasn't so hot at the old ballpark tonight. Just muggy as Hell. A capacity crowd filled AT&T Field to watch the Chattanooga Lookouts lose their last home game of the season. Righthander, Johnny Cueto struck out 11 in a losing effort. http://www.pbase.com/image/84423726 Most of the fans were there to try to win a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser that the Lookouts were giving away to one lucky winner after the game. It was the culmination of a season-long promotion where 10 people qualified at each home game. I won't bore you with the details since they can be found here: http://www.lookouts.com/images/pdf/ToyotaFJCruiserGiveawayRules.pdf OK, now I'll bore you.... Each qualifier was given a key of a certain color. There were 10 different colored keys in all and there were probably 70-100 people with each color. During the game they would eliminate all the colors except one and everyone holding that color key would go down on the field after the game and draw a new key. Only one of the new keys would unlock the vehicle. I'm about the unluckiest sumbitch you've ever seen when it comes to winning anything, but I did enter online one day and was surprised when a Yellow key showed up in the mail with 4 tickets to the final game. So I had to go. In the 7th inning they eliminated three colors. Yellow was still alive! The 8th inning couldn't get there fast enough for me. I just wanted to go home since I was tired from standing the whole game taking pics. Three more colors were eliminated, but yellow was not among them. This is too cruel. But I just kept thinking, "Tonight is my night. I'm due." The 9th inning came and the final 3 colors were eliminated. The color that remained was ..... YELLOW! So me and about 100 other people with Yellow keys were told to line up and we stood for the whole 9th inning, which mercifully passed without a hit or any runs being scored. We go down on the field and line up down the 1st base line. There were at least 70-100 of us, just as I had predicted and one-by-one they would announce the name of the next person in line and that person would draw a new key. Then that person would go and see if the new key unlocked the car. This took forever as most people would stick the key in, take it out and try it again. Somehow I ended up near the end of the line amongst a bunch of drunks. One guy had his beer confiscated by a cop on the field. I told him that he might win the car and get arrested for DUI in front of 6,398 people. Anyway, it seemed like another hour passed as each person trudged up to try their luck and then trudged back. I told the lady in line in front of me that our odds were getting better with every failed key turn. I think I was the 6th person from the end so I didn't think I'd get a chance since someone would likely win before I got there. But the keys kept failing to unlock the door. "Tonight is my night. Tonight is my night." I was dead calm as I got closer and closer to the FJ Cruiser. I was steeling myself for the eventual disappointment when the lady right in front of me wins the car. But she walked up there, put the key in, and ........nothing. It was my turn! I asked one of the girls running the show to hold my 20D and the 400 f/5.6L attached so I wouldn't throw it or something. Then I reached into the batting helmet to draw out my new key. My fingers immediately hit one particular key, but for some reason I moved it aside and grabbed the one underneath it. "Tonight is my night!" I held the key to the Heavens as I walked up to the Toyota. This got only a small pop from the crowd, who were no doubt growing weary of the whole thing and looking forward to the fireworks afterwards. I put the key in the lock and turned. It felt like it turned the correct amount, but I didn't hear the door unlock. So I figured maybe I should pull the handle and so I did. The door opened. Take that, Bad Luck! Tonight is MY night! I put on a little show for the crowd, ala Hulk Hogan. The Toyota guy came over to shake my hand and tell me that I'd have to pay title, taxes, and all that crap on it. I said, "No problem," not knowing where I was gonna get the money to pay it. Some guy took my pic with a Nikon, and I didn't even care. I was one sweaty, fat happy bastard! After the festivities I left the stadium and walked the two blocks back to my car. The fireworks were exploding overhead as I waited for the light to change to cross the street. A family of four was standing there and the lady says, "Hey, you're the guy who won the car!" "Just another night at the old ballpark, ma'am." WHO RULES ??? Another hot 105° day in Paradise today, but we had threatening skies around sundown so it wasn't so hot at the old ballpark tonight. Just muggy as Hell. A capacity crowd filled AT&T Field to watch the Chattanooga Lookouts lose their last home game of the season. Righthander, Johnny Cueto struck out 11 in a losing effort. http://www.pbase.com/image/84423726 Most of the fans were there to try to win a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser that the Lookouts were giving away to one lucky winner after the game. It was the culmination of a season-long promotion where 10 people qualified at each home game. I won't bore you with the details since they can be found here: http://www.lookouts.com/images/pdf/ToyotaFJCruiserGiveawayRules.pdf OK, now I'll bore you.... Each qualifier was given a key of a certain color. There were 10 different colored keys in all and there were probably 70-100 people with each color. During the game they would eliminate all the colors except one and everyone holding that color key would go down on the field after the game and draw a new key. Only one of the new keys would unlock the vehicle. I'm about the unluckiest sumbitch you've ever seen when it comes to winning anything, but I did enter online one day and was surprised when a Yellow key showed up in the mail with 4 tickets to the final game. So I had to go. In the 7th inning they eliminated three colors. Yellow was still alive! The 8th inning couldn't get there fast enough for me. I just wanted to go home since I was tired from standing the whole game taking pics. Three more colors were eliminated, but yellow was not among them. This is too cruel. But I just kept thinking, "Tonight is my night. I'm due." The 9th inning came and the final 3 colors were eliminated. The color that remained was ..... YELLOW! So me and about 100 other people with Yellow keys were told to line up and we stood for the whole 9th inning, which mercifully passed without a hit or any runs being scored. We go down on the field and line up down the 1st base line. There were at least 70-100 of us, just as I had predicted and one-by-one they would announce the name of the next person in line and that person would draw a new key. Then that person would go and see if the new key unlocked the car. This took forever as most people would stick the key in, take it out and try it again. Somehow I ended up near the end of the line amongst a bunch of drunks. One guy had his beer confiscated by a cop on the field. I told him that he might win the car and get arrested for DUI in front of 6,398 people. Anyway, it seemed like another hour passed as each person trudged up to try their luck and then trudged back. I told the lady in line in front of me that our odds were getting better with every failed key turn. I think I was the 6th person from the end so I didn't think I'd get a chance since someone would likely win before I got there. But the keys kept failing to unlock the door. "Tonight is my night. Tonight is my night." I was dead calm as I got closer and closer to the FJ Cruiser. I was steeling myself for the eventual disappointment when the lady right in front of me wins the car. But she walked up there, put the key in, and ........nothing. It was my turn! I asked one of the girls running the show to hold my 20D and the 400 f/5.6L attached so I wouldn't throw it or something. Then I reached into the batting helmet to draw out my new key. My fingers immediately hit one particular key, but for some reason I moved it aside and grabbed the one underneath it. "Tonight is my night!" I held the key to the Heavens as I walked up to the Toyota. This got only a small pop from the crowd, who were no doubt growing weary of the whole thing and looking forward to the fireworks afterwards. I put the key in the lock and turned. It felt like it turned the correct amount, but I didn't hear the door unlock. So I figured maybe I should pull the handle and so I did. The door opened. Take that, Bad Luck! Tonight is MY night! I put on a little show for the crowd, ala Hulk Hogan. The Toyota guy came over to shake my hand and tell me that I'd have to pay title, taxes, and all that crap on it. I said, "No problem," not knowing where I was gonna get the money to pay it. Some guy took my pic with a Nikon, and I didn't even care. I was one sweaty, fat happy bastard! After the festivities I left the stadium and walked the two blocks back to my car. The fireworks were exploding overhead as I waited for the light to change to cross the street. A family of four was standing there and the lady says, "Hey, you're the guy who won the car!" "Just another night at the old ballpark, ma'am." WHO RULES ??? Congratulations :-) So when you going to post some pics for us :-)  SignatureWe are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. Richard Dawkins (1941 - ), "The Root of All Evil", UK Channel 4, 2006 > So when you going to post some pics for us :-) http://www.pbase.com/image/84455323 * Annika1980 is quoted & my replies are inline below : >> So when you going to post some pics for us :-) > > http://www.pbase.com/image/84455323 Congratulations on the win! But... Sell it quick. Damn, that's one ugly car. Buy the cameras and lenses - I believe the 1DsMkIII and was it 85 1.2L? SignatureTroy Piggins > * Annika1980 is quoted & my replies are inline below : > > Congratulations on the win! But... > > Sell it quick. Damn, that's one ugly car. Buy the cameras and lenses - > I believe the 1DsMkIII and was it 85 1.2L? No, they're cool! The FJ is a remake of the workhorse FJ40, one of the most iconic trucks ever made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_FJ40. Honestly Bret, it may be worth your while to see about keeping it. You could sell whatever you're driving now to pay the taxes and whatnot. Toyotas tend to be incredibly reliable. >> So when you going to post some pics for us :-) > >http://www.pbase.com/image/84455323 Great dog!!! (The white one) Signature___, \o | / \ . "Someone likes every shot"! bk > http://www.pbase.com/image/84455323 Has the Mighty Jewel "baptised" the tires yet? Signaturebill-o Golf is played under a wide variety of conditions. Coping with the good or bad fortune that arises from these conditions is one of the ways that golf tests those who play the game. When are you going to learn to trim a post for chrissakes... > I held the key to the Heavens as I walked up to the Toyota. This got > only a small pop from the crowd, who were no doubt growing weary of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Some guy took my pic with a Nikon, and I didn't even care. > I was one sweaty, fat happy bastard! > "Just another night at the old ballpark, ma'am." > > WHO RULES ??? Shirley you're dead to...Danica Patrick? > I put on a little show for the crowd, ala Hulk Hogan. > The Toyota guy came over to shake my hand and tell me that I'd have to > pay title, taxes, and all that crap on it. I said, "No problem," not > knowing where I was gonna get the money to pay it. > Some guy took my pic with a Nikon, and I didn't even care. > I was one sweaty, fat happy bastard! Congrats! It looks like you had a great night at the old ballpark? Now you have no excuse not to get the 600/4L and Mk III you always wanted since the Toyota has enough cargo space in the back. Then again, the new Nikon D3 looks mighty sweet. Congratulations and enjoy. Rita >> I put on a little show for the crowd, ala Hulk Hogan. >> The Toyota guy came over to shake my hand and tell me that I'd have to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Rita Gonna have to sell SOMETHING, just to pay the taxes on the Toyota. Hopefully, enough left over from that sale to "upgrade." :() Good for you! Excellent pix as well. If selling your old car won't get you up to a Mk III, perhaps you should sell the new one instead :-) SignatureMike Russell - www.curvemeister.com > Gonna have to sell SOMETHING, just to pay the taxes on the Toyota. > Hopefully, enough left over from that sale to "upgrade." He'll do fine. Either way it's a couple extra dollars in his pocket when all the dust settles. Rita > He'll do fine. Either way it's a couple extra dollars in his pocket when > all the dust settles. So far it has been $2446.12 OUT of my pocket! Good thing I'm so fuckin lucky, huh? >> He'll do fine. Either way it's a couple extra dollars in his pocket when >> all the dust settles. > >So far it has been $2446.12 OUT of my pocket! > >Good thing I'm so fuckin lucky, huh? About as lucky as me having to play RDGC!! Signaturealan >> He'll do fine. Either way it's a couple extra dollars in his pocket >> when all the dust settles. > > So far it has been $2446.12 OUT of my pocket! I'm assuming that's state tax and registration? Just put another $6,700 in the bank for taxes and you'll do fine. > Good thing I'm so fuckin lucky, huh? After the sale you should have enough for that 1Ds Mk III and at least a 500/4L. Not to shabby for doing nothing. Just don't forget to take the wife to dinner before you break the news to her. Rita > > Good thing I'm so fuckin lucky, huh? > > After the sale you should have enough for that 1Ds Mk III and at least a > 500/4L. Not to shabby for doing nothing. Just don't forget to take the > wife to dinner before you break the news to her. You are assuming that I don't have any previous debt. A false assumption, I can assure you. Mrs. Annika and me have been going round and round about this all day. Here are the facts: I have X amount of debt to pay off (we're talkin MC & Visa here). I have a 15 year old car that is leaking from every orifice. I win a car. Whoopie. Now I have to pay $2,446.12 for the privilege of driving that FREE car off the lot. So my debt is now (X + 2,446.12). The dealer offers to buy the car back from me for $23K. I can probably get $25K for it by selling it online or privately. What to do? I can sell the car, pay off all my debt, and have a little left over for some new gear (maybe a 1DsMKIII). But I'll still be driving a 15 year-old car which will probably die soon. Or I can be smarter and take the money left over and put it in the bank to start saving for a new car when I need one. That was my thinking. Mrs. Annika (and most every other female I've talked to about this) says, "Keep the car. Your old car will die soon and then you'll be screwed." In this scenario I'd have a new car that I don't really like, expecially compared to my old Altima. But I'd still have my (X + 2,446.12) of debt to deal with. Dave Ramsey would sh.t if I did that. Here is a compromise option that might work. Keep the new car which is now paid for. Go down to the bank, and using the car as collateral, get a loan to pay off my CC debt. That way, I'm out of debt with Mr. MC and Mr. VISA (pleasing Dave Ramsey to no end) and there is light at the end of the tunnel. What do you scholars think? > Here is a compromise option that might work. > Keep the new car which is now paid for. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What do you scholars think? Almost any loan you can get will be cheaper than paying the usurious credit card interest rates. MM >> Here is a compromise option that might work. >> Keep the new car which is now paid for. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > MM take the 23 grand from the dealer, and go buy something that you do like instead of driving around in a car that is that ugly (I can see why they gave it away) that you have admitted to not liking, what will that $23k and your old car as a trade in get you?? you can pick up a base Mustang for just under $20k so $3k left for gear and a nice shiny new mid life crisis car to poke around in :-) Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg > Here is a compromise option that might work. > Keep the new car which is now paid for. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What do you scholars think? Don't drive that thing around, regardless of what your whiff says. 1 - Sell it (that much is obvious) 2 - put down $2500 or so on a three or four year old Nissan/Honda/ Toyota 3 - pay down some existing debt 4 - buy some new camera gear 5 - win another car 6 - sell that new car 7 - pay off the remainder of the debt If your wife does win, and you do cave, PLEASE trade it in for a Camry or any other of the fine, non-blue faux jeeps on the market these days. >>> Good thing I'm so fuckin lucky, huh? >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I can probably get $25K for it by selling it online or privately. > What to do? sh.t! This is a no-brainer! I would have taken the $23K cash and smiled all the way to the bank. You're either greedy of a fool to piss over $2K? I sincerely hope you don't have that much CC debt? If you do, I would be putting half that $23K in the bank for taxes and a little cushion and put the other half to the CCs. Carrying a balance on CCs is totally and utterly foolish. > I can sell the car, pay off all my debt, and have a little left over > for some new gear (maybe a 1DsMKIII). But I'll still be driving a 15 > year-old car which will probably die soon. Or I can be smarter and > take the money left over and put it in the bank to start saving for a > new car when I need one. > That was my thinking. There's nothing wrong with driving around in an old beater. A roll of duct tape and a few hose clamps to keep things together and you'll be fine. Priorities my dear boy. > Mrs. Annika (and most every other female I've talked to about this) > says, "Keep the car. Your old car will die soon and then you'll be > screwed." In this scenario I'd have a new car that I don't really > like, expecially compared to my old Altima. But I'd still have my (X > + 2,446.12) of debt to deal with. Dave Ramsey would sh.t if I did > that. Let me take a guess who creates the most debt in your house? > Here is a compromise option that might work. > Keep the new car which is now paid for. > Go down to the bank, and using the car as collateral, get a loan to > pay off my CC debt. That way, I'm out of debt with Mr. MC and Mr. > VISA (pleasing Dave Ramsey to no end) and there is light at the end of > the tunnel. It would work if you close or put a hold on your CC accounts to prevent further charging. You will, of course, run the CCs back up again since it is easy money you came by. > What do you scholars think? I think you should buy a Harley. Rita >Here is a compromise option that might work. >Keep the new car which is now paid for. >Go down to the bank, and using the car as collateral, get a loan to >pay off my CC debt. That way, I'm out of debt with Mr. MC and Mr. >VISA (pleasing Dave Ramsey to no end) There is no damn way Ramsey would be pleased to hear you incurred new debt to pay off old debt. He would say sell the car, pay off the debt, bank enough to cover the income tax hit, and if there's anything left, use it as the start of saving for a new car (and work weekends at the pro shop for extra money). Having said that--screw Ramsey! SignatureDave Clary/Corpus Christi, TX http://davidclary.com Incidentally - more than 12 hours ago I posted my congratulations to you - about the second or third reply at the time. But I check back now and all I see is a bloke that has just won a $25,000 car - being a real misery guts and crying poor. FFS - count your blessings and stop moaning and belly-aching. You are coming across a spoilt sook. On Aug 25, 7:51 pm, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote: > > Good thing I'm so fuckin lucky, huh? > > After the sale you should have enough for that 1Ds Mk III and at least a > 500/4L. Not to shabby for doing nothing. Just don't forget to take the > wife to dinner before you break the news to her. You are assuming that I don't have any previous debt. A false assumption, I can assure you. Mrs. Annika and me have been going round and round about this all day. Here are the facts: I have X amount of debt to pay off (we're talkin MC & Visa here). I have a 15 year old car that is leaking from every orifice. I win a car. Whoopie. Now I have to pay $2,446.12 for the privilege of driving that FREE car off the lot. So my debt is now (X + 2,446.12). The dealer offers to buy the car back from me for $23K. I can probably get $25K for it by selling it online or privately. What to do? I can sell the car, pay off all my debt, and have a little left over for some new gear (maybe a 1DsMKIII). But I'll still be driving a 15 year-old car which will probably die soon. Or I can be smarter and take the money left over and put it in the bank to start saving for a new car when I need one. That was my thinking. Mrs. Annika (and most every other female I've talked to about this) says, "Keep the car. Your old car will die soon and then you'll be screwed." In this scenario I'd have a new car that I don't really like, expecially compared to my old Altima. But I'd still have my (X + 2,446.12) of debt to deal with. Dave Ramsey would sh.t if I did that. Here is a compromise option that might work. Keep the new car which is now paid for. Go down to the bank, and using the car as collateral, get a loan to pay off my CC debt. That way, I'm out of debt with Mr. MC and Mr. VISA (pleasing Dave Ramsey to no end) and there is light at the end of the tunnel. What do you scholars think? >Incidentally - more than 12 hours ago I posted my congratulations to you - >about the second or third reply at the time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >FFS - count your blessings and stop moaning and belly-aching. >You are coming across a spoilt sook. You're coming across as an a.shole. The man is in a quandary and asked for financial advice. If you have some, offer it. Otherwise, STFU. bk Thanks for your comment Bobby Boy. I did offer some advice - stop moaning! And here's some more - next time he's a offered a chance to go out and win a big prize - FFF do everyone a favour and stay home! >>Incidentally - more than 12 hours ago I posted my congratulations to you - >>about the second or third reply at the time. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > STFU. > bk >Thanks for your comment Bobby Boy. > >I did offer some advice - stop moaning! >And here's some more - next time he's a offered a chance to go out and win a >big prize - FFF do everyone a favour and stay home! As I suggested, macca baby, STFU. Signature___, \o | / \ . "Someone likes every shot"! bk On 8/27/07 8:38 AM, in article 2uk5d3550ph6cv3kvrjt0l22ofsbqtofuk@4ax.com, >> Thanks for your comment Bobby Boy. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > As I suggested, macca baby, STFU. Can't you go find a kid on your Masked Riders to beat up and stay the hell out of here, a.shole?!? >On 8/27/07 8:38 AM, in article 2uk5d3550ph6cv3kvrjt0l22ofsbqtofuk@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Can't you go find a kid on your Masked Riders to beat up and stay the hell >out of here, a.shole?!? I can certainly see the true schmucks that are probably on the photo ngs. So, my suggestion is for you to get the f.ck out of rec.sport.golf. Get it? Signature___, \o | / \ . "Someone likes every shot"! bk On 8/27/07 9:11 AM, in article 7om5d3t0g951c2uefcugd55h5puccn0qe2@4ax.com, >> On 8/27/07 8:38 AM, in article 2uk5d3550ph6cv3kvrjt0l22ofsbqtofuk@4ax.com, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Get it? Get it right: Gedt the f.ck out of rec.photo.digital... >On 8/27/07 9:11 AM, in article 7om5d3t0g951c2uefcugd55h5puccn0qe2@4ax.com, >> I can certainly see the true schmucks that are probably on the photo >> ngs. So, my suggestion is for you to get the f.ck out of >> rec.sport.golf. >> >> Get it? >Get it right: Gedt the f.ck out of rec.photo.digital... I wasn't the one that started the cross-posting dick head. However, this is the last one that I will cross-post, but I'll bet that your pea brain won't allow you to do so. Bret has noted that there are great guys on the photo groups, but he obviously didn't include you. bk > Bret has noted that there are great guys on the photo groups, but he > obviously didn't include you. > bk I posted in multiple groups because there are folks on each group who know a little something and whose opinions I respect ... like yours, BK. Of course, you've got the a.sholes like macca that will inevitably pipe up. It's kinda like getting golf advice ... you have to sort thru all the BS advice to get to the good advice. The trick is recognizing which is which. Ken Pitts offered some good advice about paying Uncle Sam. I didn't understand what he was saying at first since I thought that the only thing I'd have to pay is sales tax. Wrong! After all the dust settles, that FREE car is gonna cost me about $4500 in taxes. >> Bret has noted that there are great guys on the photo groups, but he >> obviously didn't include you. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > thing I'd have to pay is sales tax. Wrong! After all the dust > settles, that FREE car is gonna cost me about $4500 in taxes. Still a great deal! Just take a short term loan on the 4500 and be done with it. You COULD sell a camera or two. :-) > >> Bret has noted that there are great guys on the photo groups, but he > >> obviously didn't include you. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > it. > You COULD sell a camera or two. :-) Bite your tongue!! Helen >>> Bret has noted that there are great guys on the photo groups, but he >>> obviously didn't include you. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > with it. > You COULD sell a camera or two. :-) LOL, he would have to sell them all, not a good plan I think. >> Bret has noted that there are great guys on the photo groups, but he >> obviously didn't include you. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > thing I'd have to pay is sales tax. Wrong! After all the dust > settles, that FREE car is gonna cost me about $4500 in taxes. Sounds like a bargain. I am about to pay AUD$45,000 for a new 4WD. > Ken Pitts offered some good advice about paying Uncle Sam. I didn't > understand what he was saying at first since I thought that the only > thing I'd have to pay is sales tax. Wrong! After all the dust > settles, that FREE car is gonna cost me about $4500 in taxes. sh.t, that's it? Son, you better get a second job at Taco Bell since you are obviously in a lower tax bracket. Rita > Incidentally - more than 12 hours ago I posted my congratulations to you - > about the second or third reply at the time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > FFS - count your blessings and stop moaning and belly-aching. > You are coming across a spoilt sook. you also have to remember that unlike Australia, in the US you have to pay TAX on your winnings, and it is usually around the 45-50% mark, so by winning a car, he has just incurred a tax bill in the vicinity of around $12K. gotta pay for that war on terror somehow I guess :-( Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg >> Incidentally - more than 12 hours ago I posted my congratulations to you - >> about the second or third reply at the time. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >$12K. >gotta pay for that war on terror somehow I guess :-( Tax on winnings just doesn't seem right. One of the reasons that when the urge to go to a casino strikes (very, very rarely) I stay north of the border. 100% of what you win is yours. >Tax on winnings just doesn't seem right. One of the reasons that when >the urge to go to a casino strikes (very, very rarely) I stay north of >the border. 100% of what you win is yours. Taxes aren't about right and wrong - they're about getting money for the state to spend. The ones people complain about are the ones they cut - the ones that they don't complain about are the ones they raise. So they tax winnings highly. The highest taxes are reserved for "sins" and for telecommunication. >>Tax on winnings just doesn't seem right. One of the reasons that when >>the urge to go to a casino strikes (very, very rarely) I stay north of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > So they tax winnings highly. The highest taxes are reserved for > "sins" and for telecommunication. so Australia must have no sinners as we don't pay a single cent on winnings, be they $5 on a scratchy or $50 million in Powerball, what you win, you keep down here :-) Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg >>>Tax on winnings just doesn't seem right. One of the reasons that when >>>the urge to go to a casino strikes (very, very rarely) I stay north of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >be they $5 on a scratchy or $50 million in Powerball, what you win, you keep >down here :-) Same in the Great White North. If they tax the winnings are your loses tax deductible? > If they tax the winnings are your loses tax deductible? only if they offset winnings Signaturebill-o Golf is played under a wide variety of conditions. Coping with the good or bad fortune that arises from these conditions is one of the ways that golf tests those who play the game. : >>>Tax on winnings just doesn't seem right. One of the reasons that when : >>>the urge to go to a casino strikes (very, very rarely) I stay north of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : : If they tax the winnings are your loses tax deductible? Only to offset your winnings. If all you do is lose, you get no credit on your taxes. : >>Tax on winnings just doesn't seem right. One of the reasons that when : >>the urge to go to a casino strikes (very, very rarely) I stay north of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : be they $5 on a scratchy or $50 million in Powerball, what you win, you keep : down here :-) You don't have to pay for the imperialist adventurism of an insane moron. > : >>Tax on winnings just doesn't seem right. One of the reasons that when > : >>the urge to go to a casino strikes (very, very rarely) I stay north of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You don't have to pay for the imperialist adventurism of an insane moron. so true! our insane moron has his lips firmly stuck to your insane morons arse though, so we only get second hand sh.t from ours :-( Signature"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg On 8/25/07 8:50 PM, in article w%4Ai.26140$4A1.24864@news-server.bigpond.net.au, "macca" > Incidentally - more than 12 hours ago I posted my congratulations to you - > about the second or third reply at the time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > FFS - count your blessings and stop moaning and belly-aching. > You are coming across a spoilt sook. You don't understand? That is the typical Yellow Dog Democrat behavior. They piss and moan about everything. AND it's never THEIR fault. >> But I check back now and all I see is a bloke that has just won a >> $25,000 car - being a real misery guts and crying poor. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > behavior. They piss and moan about everything. AND it's never THEIR > fault. Jesus Fucken' Christ! Lighten up on the man and give him some space to sort things out. If he applied the typical Finger Through The Wet Toilet Paper Republican behavior Bret would be building a fucken school in Iraq so the toddles get an early start on bomb belt making. Why build schools in America when our kids would appreciate an education that will allow them to be competitive on the world stage? Rita On 8/26/07 1:16 PM, in article 13d3h2gilkeil1c@news.supernews.com, "Rita Ä Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote: >>> But I check back now and all I see is a bloke that has just won a >>> $25,000 car - being a real misery guts and crying poor. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Republican behavior Bret would be building a fucken school in Iraq so the > toddles get an early start on bomb belt making. No that toilet paper thing is a DemoCrap thing. Just ask Cheryl Crow and her carbon print buddy Al (the whale) Gore. In rec.sport.golf George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: > On 8/26/07 1:16 PM, in article 13d3h2gilkeil1c@news.supernews.com, "Rita ? > Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > No that toilet paper thing is a DemoCrap thing. Just ask Cheryl Crow and her > carbon print buddy Al (the whale) Gore. George, can you just contain yourself to dumbing down austin.general? Thanks. SignatureChris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/ On 8/26/07 2:39 PM, in article 0T4bv9peI5ssN34@redshark.goodshow.net, "Chris Bellomy" <puevf@tbbqfubj.arg.invalid> wrote: > In rec.sport.golf George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > George, can you just contain yourself to dumbing down austin.general? > Thanks. You seem to be doing an admirable job doing just that in there. Sorry 'dood'... In rec.sport.golf George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote: > Sorry 'dood'... For the edification of the blissfully unaware, I used the word "dude" in connection with a statement about someone's inability to leave the 80's behind. George, thus far, has failed to grasp why that would be appropriate. The holding of breath is not recommended here. SignatureChris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/ George Kerby wrote in message ... >No that toilet paper thing is a DemoCrap thing. Just ask Cheryl Crow and her >carbon print buddy Al (the whale) Gore. o this must be why he worries so much about polar melting, as it would put him out of food and home. and his food source reminds me of the recent peta fish campaign. I have no problem with this idea other than the name of the campaign. Fish EMPATHY? Please, all they will get with that from the local fishermen is mockery. Especially the ones who will need lots of empathy when they are homeless because their livelihood is affected when they stop fishing. They sure don't know how to endear themselves to the opposition, that is for certain. mk5000 "The wind had cut back, and it was no longer snowing, but there was still a thick cloud cover overhead. At best, the weather could now be described as grim. I was silently rehearsing my fake speech about how I needed information for an audit. "--lean mean thirteen, janet evanovich In rec.sport.golf Annika1980 <annika1980@aol.com> wrote: > Here is a compromise option that might work. > Keep the new car which is now paid for. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What do you scholars think? I think it would be better to have it insured and then stolen. SignatureChris Bellomy C-List Charter Member http://clist.org/ > Here is a compromise option that might work. Keep the new car which is > now paid for. Go down to the bank, and using the car as collateral, get > a loan to pay off my CC debt. That way, I'm out of debt with Mr. MC and > Mr. VISA (pleasing Dave Ramsey to no end) and there is light at the end > of the tunnel. Sounds good to me. You'll save down the road. My wife has a now paid for 02' Protege5. Nothing ever goes wrong with it. 72,000 miles and I expect to get double that before it starts to cost us money. You have to weigh in not being bled dry by mechanics because you're no longer driving a shitbox. You could drive that thing 10 years before having to put any real money into it. My suggestion (I know, it's worth what you paid for): Pay off these credit cards, or your life will be continuously miserable (trying to pay off these debts is no fun - been there, done that). And do not keep this car (you admitted you don't like it aesthetically). Better get a used Japanese car when your old car gives up the ghost, which is reliable and won't cause you mechanical problems (also it won't be an eyesore to you :-) ). Regards from a burning Greece, N.F. On Aug 25, 7:51 pm, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote: > > Good thing I'm so fuckin lucky, huh? > > After the sale you should have enough for that 1Ds Mk III and at least a > 500/4L. Not to shabby for doing nothing. Just don't forget to take the > wife to dinner before you break the news to her. You are assuming that I don't have any previous debt. A false assumption, I can assure you. Mrs. Annika and me have been going round and round about this all day. Here are the facts: I have X amount of debt to pay off (we're talkin MC & Visa here). I have a 15 year old car that is leaking from every orifice. I win a car. Whoopie. Now I have to pay $2,446.12 for the privilege of driving that FREE car off the lot. So my debt is now (X + 2,446.12). The dealer offers to buy the car back from me for $23K. I can probably get $25K for it by selling it online or privately. What to do? I can sell the car, pay off all my debt, and have a little left over for some new gear (maybe a 1DsMKIII). But I'll still be driving a 15 year-old car which will probably die soon. Or I can be smarter and take the money left over and put it in the bank to start saving for a new car when I need one. That was my thinking. Mrs. Annika (and most every other female I've talked to about this) says, "Keep the car. Your old car will die soon and then you'll be screwed." In this scenario I'd have a new car that I don't really like, expecially compared to my old Altima. But I'd still have my (X + 2,446.12) of debt to deal with. Dave Ramsey would sh.t if I did that. Here is a compromise option that might work. Keep the new car which is now paid for. Go down to the bank, and using the car as collateral, get a loan to pay off my CC debt. That way, I'm out of debt with Mr. MC and Mr. VISA (pleasing Dave Ramsey to no end) and there is light at the end of the tunnel. What do you scholars think? KEEP the car!! If your old car is about to die, your going to have to pony up thousands in for a new or a good used car. You are getting a new car for peanuts. If you carry a CC dept., use the money you'd have to spend on another car to pay it down. CC dept is the worst hole to be dug into. I don't know your full financial situation, and I doubt anyone here can give you a clear answer without knowing. My advice is to sit down with CPA. >> He'll do fine. Either way it's a couple extra dollars in his pocket when >> all the dust settles. > > So far it has been $2446.12 OUT of my pocket! > > Good thing I'm so fuckin lucky, huh? May I inquire about the nature of this $2446.12? Is it a Tennessee state vehicle transfer tax? If you are talking about federal/state income tax, nothing should be due until the end of a quarter at worst and April 15 2008 at best. Allen > May I inquire about the nature of this $2446.12? Is it a Tennessee state vehicle transfer tax? Yes, it is a Tennessee Sales Tax. Uncle Sam gets his later since prize winnings are treated as income (who knew?). The only good news is that the Sales Tax can be used as a deduction come tax time. Another hot 105° day in Paradise today, but we had threatening skies around sundown so it wasn't so hot at the old ballpark tonight. Just muggy as Hell. A capacity crowd filled AT&T Field to watch the Chattanooga Lookouts lose their last home game of the season. Righthander, Johnny Cueto struck out 11 in a losing effort. http://www.pbase.com/image/84423726 Most of the fans were there to try to win a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser that the Lookouts were giving away to one lucky winner after the game. It was the culmination of a season-long promotion where 10 people qualified at each home game. I won't bore you with the details since they can be found here: http://www.lookouts.com/images/pdf/ToyotaFJCruiserGiveawayRules.pdf OK, now I'll bore you.... Each qualifier was given a key of a certain color. There were 10 different colored keys in all and there were probably 70-100 people with each color. During the game they would eliminate all the colors except one and everyone holding that color key would go down on the field after the game and draw a new key. Only one of the new keys would unlock the vehicle. I'm about the unluckiest sumbitch you've ever seen when it comes to winning anything, but I did enter online one day and was surprised when a Yellow key showed up in the mail with 4 tickets to the final game. So I had to go. In the 7th inning they eliminated three colors. Yellow was still alive! The 8th inning couldn't get there fast enough for me. I just wanted to go home since I was tired from standing the whole game taking pics. Three more colors were eliminated, but yellow was not among them. This is too cruel. But I just kept thinking, "Tonight is my night. I'm due." The 9th inning came and the final 3 colors were eliminated. The color that remained was ..... YELLOW! So me and about 100 other people with Yellow keys were told to line up and we stood for the whole 9th inning, which mercifully passed without a hit or any runs being scored. We go down on the field and line up down the 1st base line. There were at least 70-100 of us, just as I had predicted and one-by-one they would announce the name of the next person in line and that person would draw a new key. Then that person would go and see if the new key unlocked the car. This took forever as most people would stick the key in, take it out and try it again. Somehow I ended up near the end of the line amongst a bunch of drunks. One guy had his beer confiscated by a cop on the field. I told him that he might win the car and get arrested for DUI in front of 6,398 people. Anyway, it seemed like another hour passed as each person trudged up to try their luck and then trudged back. I told the lady in line in front of me that our odds were getting better with every failed key turn. I think I was the 6th person from the end so I didn't think I'd get a chance since someone would likely win before I got there. But the keys kept failing to unlock the door. "Tonight is my night. Tonight is my night." I was dead calm as I got closer and closer to the FJ Cruiser. I was steeling myself for the eventual disappointment when the lady right in front of me wins the car. But she walked up there, put the key in, and ........nothing. It was my turn! I asked one of the girls running the show to hold my 20D and the 400 f/5.6L attached so I wouldn't throw it or something. Then I reached into the batting helmet to draw out my new key. My fingers immediately hit one particular key, but for some reason I moved it aside and grabbed the one underneath it. "Tonight is my night!" I held the key to the Heavens as I walked up to the Toyota. This got only a small pop from the crowd, who were no doubt growing weary of the whole thing and looking forward to the fireworks afterwards. I put the key in the lock and turned. It felt like it turned the correct amount, but I didn't hear the door unlock. So I figured maybe I should pull the handle and so I did. The door opened. Take that, Bad Luck! Tonight is MY night! I put on a little show for the crowd, ala Hulk Hogan. The Toyota guy came over to shake my hand and tell me that I'd have to pay title, taxes, and all that crap on it. I said, "No problem," not knowing where I was gonna get the money to pay it. Some guy took my pic with a Nikon, and I didn't even care. I was one sweaty, fat happy bastard! After the festivities I left the stadium and walked the two blocks back to my car. The fireworks were exploding overhead as I waited for the light to change to cross the street. A family of four was standing there and the lady says, "Hey, you're the guy who won the car!" "Just another night at the old ballpark, ma'am." WHO RULES ??? === YOU RULE!!! You lucky sumbitch! If your old car is worth anything, I'd have my eye out on some new gear. So what camera or lenses would you get? I'd be eyeing a 500 f/4 L IS John Another hot 105° day in Paradise today, but we had threatening skies around sundown so it wasn't so hot at the old ballpark tonight. Just muggy as Hell. A capacity crowd filled AT&T Field to watch the Chattanooga Lookouts lose their last home game of the season. Righthander, Johnny Cueto struck out 11 in a losing effort. http://www.pbase.com/image/84423726 Most of the fans were there to try to win a 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser that the Lookouts were giving away to one lucky winner after the game. It was the culmination of a season-long promotion where 10 people qualified at each home game. I won't bore you with the details since they can be found here: http://www.lookouts.com/images/pdf/ToyotaFJCruiserGiveawayRules.pdf OK, now I'll bore you.... Each qualifier was given a key of a certain color. There were 10 different colored keys in all and there were probably 70-100 people with each color. During the game they would eliminate all the colors except one and everyone holding that color key would go down on the field after the game and draw a new key. Only one of the new keys would unlock the vehicle. I'm about the unluckiest sumbitch you've ever seen when it comes to winning anything, but I did enter online one day and was surprised when a Yellow key showed up in the mail with 4 tickets to the final game. So I had to go. In the 7th inning they eliminated three colors. Yellow was still alive! The 8th inning couldn't get there fast enough for me. I just wanted to go home since I was tired from standing the whole game taking pics. Three more colors were eliminated, but yellow was not among them. This is too cruel. But I just kept thinking, "Tonight is my night. I'm due." The 9th inning came and the final 3 colors were eliminated. The color that remained was ..... YELLOW! So me and about 100 other people with Yellow keys were told to line up and we stood for the whole 9th inning, which mercifully passed without a hit or any runs being scored. We go down on the field and line up down the 1st base line. There were at least 70-100 of us, just as I had predicted and one-by-one they would announce the name of the next person in line and that person would draw a new key. Then that person would go and see if the new key unlocked the car. This took forever as most people would stick the key in, take it out and try it again. Somehow I ended up near the end of the line amongst a bunch of drunks. One guy had his beer confiscated by a cop on the field. I told him that he might win the car and get arrested for DUI in front of 6,398 people. Anyway, it seemed like another hour passed as each person trudged up to try their luck and then trudged back. I told the lady in line in front of me that our odds were getting better with every failed key turn. I think I was the 6th person from the end so I didn't think I'd get a chance since someone would likely win before I got there. But the keys kept failing to unlock the door. "Tonight is my night. Tonight is my night." I was dead calm as I got closer and closer to the FJ Cruiser. I was steeling myself for the eventual disappointment when the lady right in front of me wins the car. But she walked up there, put the key in, and ........nothing. It was my turn! I asked one of the girls running the show to hold my 20D and the 400 f/5.6L attached so I wouldn't throw it or something. Then I reached into the batting helmet to draw out my new key. My fingers immediately hit one particular key, but for some reason I moved it aside and grabbed the one underneath it. "Tonight is my night!" I held the key to the Heavens as I walked up to the Toyota. This got only a small pop from the crowd, who were no doubt growing weary of the whole thing and looking forward to the fireworks afterwards. I put the key in the lock and turned. It felt like it turned the correct amount, but I didn't hear the door unlock. So I figured maybe I should pull the handle and so I did. The door opened. Take that, Bad Luck! Tonight is MY night! I put on a little show for the crowd, ala Hulk Hogan. The Toyota guy came over to shake my hand and tell me that I'd have to pay title, taxes, and all that crap on it. I said, "No problem," not knowing where I was gonna get the money to pay it. Some guy took my pic with a Nikon, and I didn't even care. I was one sweaty, fat happy bastard! After the festivities I left the stadium and walked the two blocks back to my car. The fireworks were exploding overhead as I waited for the light to change to cross the street. A family of four was standing there and the lady says, "Hey, you're the guy who won the car!" "Just another night at the old ballpark, ma'am." WHO RULES ??? ----------------------- Well done Bret! Congratulations. : I was dead calm as I got closer and closer to the FJ Cruiser. I was : steeling myself for the eventual disappointment when the lady right in [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] : pay title, taxes, and all that crap on it. I said, "No problem," not : knowing where I was gonna get the money to pay it. ... Sell your old car to pay the charges on the new one, and hock your 20D body for the down payment on a 40D. With your new celebrity status, you don't want to be seen about town with an old camera! Bob > Another hot 105° day in Paradise today, but we had threatening skies > around sundown so it wasn't so hot at the old ballpark tonight. Just > muggy as Hell. A capacity crowd filled AT&T Field to watch the > Chattanooga Lookouts lose their last home game of the season. > Righthander, Johnny Cueto struck out 11 in a losing effort.http://www.pbase.com/image/84423726 You really won the car? Great! Don't forget to pay your taxes. Ken > I held the key to the Heavens as I walked up to the Toyota. This got > only a small pop from the crowd, who were no doubt growing weary of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The door opened. Lucky bastard. :-) >Another hot 105° day in Paradise today, but we had threatening skies >around sundown so it wasn't so hot at the old ballpark tonight. Just >muggy as Hell. A capacity crowd filled AT&T Field to watch the >Chattanooga Lookouts lose their last home game of the season. >Righthander, Johnny Cueto struck out 11 in a losing effort. >http://www.pbase.com/image/84423726 Very nice! So, next you, you have no damn excuse for not coming to RSG Cincinnati. PS -- What does "FJ" stand for, anyway? Signaturejvdp http://www.rsgcincinnati.com >> Another hot 105° day in Paradise today, but we had threatening skies >> around sundown so it wasn't so hot at the old ballpark tonight. Just [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > PS -- What does "FJ" stand for, anyway? Faux Jeep :) Signaturejer email reply - I am not a 'ten' >>Another hot 105° day in Paradise today, but we had threatening skies >>around sundown so it wasn't so hot at the old ballpark tonight. Just [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >PS -- What does "FJ" stand for, anyway? F****ing Jammy!! (That means exceedingly lucky BTW!) Well done. I will be thinking of you all when I play here in 6 weeks!! http://www.pbase.com/alancampbell/image/64551905/medium Signaturealan On Aug 25, 10:03 am, John van der Pflum > Very nice! So, next you, you have no damn excuse for not coming to > RSG Cincinnati. > > PS -- What does "FJ" stand for, anyway? For Jewel. On Aug 25, 10:03 am, John van der Pflum <nowhammymyspa...@bite.org> wrote: > Very nice! So, next you, you have no damn excuse for not coming to > RSG Cincinnati. > > PS -- What does "FJ" stand for, anyway? > -- 4Runner Junior? > jvdphttp://www.rsgcincinnati.com If the dealer is willing to offer $23K, I would bet he would accept a counteroffer of $23K plus a $2K downpayment on something else in his lot. Check out what you want to buy first, get a firm price and then hit him with that counteroffer. > If the dealer is willing to offer $23K, I would bet he would accept a > counteroffer of $23K plus a $2K downpayment on something else in his > lot. That was prior to it being titled. It is now considered a used vehicle and that offer is most likely off the table. $17K for it would be a fair offer. This is where the 40% rule comes into play. > Check out what you want to buy first, get a firm price and then hit > him with that counteroffer. He'd be better privately selling it. Rita >> If the dealer is willing to offer $23K, I would bet he would accept a >> counteroffer of $23K plus a $2K downpayment on something else in his [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Rita Considering it's the end of the model year, see if the dealer would trade it for something on the lot and pay you the difference. You'd replace your beater, get some money back, cover the tax and should come out of the deal with significant $$$. Plus you wouldn't have to feed that thing. Looks like it could be thirsty. mg SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > WHO RULES ??? Some people have all the luck! How come you won and I never win? Whaaaaaaa! :-) >> WHO RULES ??? > >Some people have all the luck! How come you won >and I never win? Whaaaaaaa! > >:-) Damn...the only thing I ever won was an album...Rufus Thomas...Walkin' the Dog. SignatureDave Clary/Corpus Christi, TX http://davidclary.com > ... the lady says, "Hey, you're the guy who won the >car!" > >"Just another night at the old ballpark, ma'am." > >WHO RULES ??? You rule Bret. Congratulations! Do you wonder if maybe someone else's key actually unlocked the door, but you were the first person to try to open the door? By the way, the Reds will be calling for all your pitchers soon! Tom > You rule Bret. Congratulations! Do you wonder if maybe someone else's > key actually unlocked the door, but you were the first person to try > to open the door? I thought of that. Or it could have been the remote keyless entry with the hijacked code that I had hidden in my pocket. I didn't realize it last night, but there were only 3 people in line behind me when I won. So out of the thousands of entries and the 700 qualifiers who got colored keys it came down to the last 4 people. They told me today that there were only 50 people (out of the 70) with the Yellow keys who went down on the field. So I was the 47th person in line. I didn't worry about being the first in line though, like the drunks behind me kept bitching about. I had a 1-in-50 chance no matter where in line I stood. By the time my turn came, it was 1- in-4. On 8/25/07 12:19 AM, in article 1188019199.132078.220700@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com, "annika1980" > OK, now I'll bore you.... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Some guy took my pic with a Nikon, and I didn't even care. > I was one sweaty, fat happy bastard! Does this mean that you will stop ranting against Conservatives? I guess if the key didn't work you woulda blamed "W". Seriously, congratulations! Way to go, B. > Does this mean that you will stop ranting against Conservatives? > > I guess if the key didn't work you woulda blamed "W". No, I only blame him for havig the most crooked administration in history, getting thousands of good people killed for nothing, and just generally being a dumbass and an embarrassment. You know, stuff like that. BTW, if you don't think "W" is an embarrassment, well ..... On 8/25/07 7:17 PM, in article 1188087455.038452.274720@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, "Annika1980" <annika1980@aol.com> wrote: >> Does this mean that you will stop ranting against Conservatives? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > generally being a dumbass and an embarrassment. > You know, stuff like that. That same kind of reasoning got you in such good graces with Mr.Visa and Mr. M.C., I would surmise. That's OK - blame Bush for that, as well... >> No, I only blame him for havig the most crooked administration in >> history, getting thousands of good people killed for nothing, and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and Mr. M.C., I would surmise. That's OK - blame Bush for that, as > well... Unlike Bush, Bret can't pull $15 trillion out his a.s with a stroke of the pen and not have to be accountable for it. Bush decimated our economy and it will take generations to get back to zero again. Rita On 8/26/07 1:16 PM, in article 13d3h2h31cvk51d@news.supernews.com, "Rita Ä Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote: >>> No, I only blame him for havig the most crooked administration in >>> history, getting thousands of good people killed for nothing, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > pen and not have to be accountable for it. Bush decimated our economy and > it will take generations to get back to zero again. Again, don't let FACTS get in the way of your world: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070727/economy.html?.v=14 It's only stupid people running unsound companies that allow people to buy houses without anything down and having reasonable employment standards. It is also the reason that Bret is up to his a.s in alligators with credit card debt. This damn society is so out of frigid touch and debt ridden that it ain't funny. When people start bawling because they got something free, it is time to stop the sh.t that LBJ started with his "Great Society" bullshit. You "Rita" are just too young and naive to know the difference... > Rita >> Unlike Bush, Bret can't pull $15 trillion out his a.s with a stroke >> of the pen and not have to be accountable for it. Bush decimated >> our economy and it will take generations to get back to zero again. >> > Again, don't let FACTS get in the way of your world: They never do. Where do you think Bush is pulling all this money for Iraq and tax cuts from? It's called creative accounting and it always comes back to haunt at a later date. Funny thing is your ancient a.s will be dust and long buried when the tab is due. > It's only stupid people running unsound companies that allow people > to buy houses without anything down and having reasonable employment [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that LBJ started with his "Great Society" bullshit. You "Rita" are > just too young and naive to know the difference... Yep! It's Bush's fault for allowing this to happen. He created a false facade that our economy is booming by allowing shady business practices to prosper. What you are describing is Bush's plan falling apart and the common people have to suffer and foot the bill for his failed leadership. Yes, Bret is up to his a.s in alligators because Bush told him to go out and spend since the economy is thriving. Funny thing is Bush fooled the stupid into a stupor to build a false image of consumer confidence to make him look good. It's only temporary and it's all falling apart around him. Needn't worry, my children get to pay for Bush's mishaps. Rita On 8/26/07 4:52 PM, in article 13d3tsueguo0g80@news.supernews.com, "Rita Ä Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote: >>> Unlike Bush, Bret can't pull $15 trillion out his a.s with a stroke >>> of the pen and not have to be accountable for it. Bush decimated [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > good. It's only temporary and it's all falling apart around him. Needn't > worry, my children get to pay for Bush's mishaps. I would suggest that if it is really so bad here, MOVE! >On 8/26/07 4:52 PM, in article 13d3tsueguo0g80@news.supernews.com, "Rita Ä >Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote: >> Yep! It's Bush's fault for allowing this to happen. He created a false >> facade that our economy is booming by allowing shady business practices to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >I would suggest that if it is really so bad here, MOVE! Better yet, get rid of the dumb bastard and try to find a leader for this country who doesn't have debts to pay big business. Admittedly, that's probably harder than moving. On 8/27/07 9:08 AM, in article ckm5d31maa6lg3d3t7l387h4l9bvil1clv@4ax.com, >> On 8/26/07 4:52 PM, in article 13d3tsueguo0g80@news.supernews.com, "Rita Ä >> Berkowitz" <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > this country who doesn't have debts to pay big business. Admittedly, > that's probably harder than moving. Why do you persist in jumping into somethjing that is clearly NOT addressed to you? Have you developed that personality, or were you birthed through your mother's a.shole? A sharp tongue does not mean you have a keen mind. You are so stupid, you'd trip over a cordless phone. |
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