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Mick Brown - 26 Jul 2007 12:11 GMT
Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here is a
bit of my more recent work.

Bare in mind, I'm a sport shooter not wedding, but hey knock yourselves
out.  Constructive comments welcome.

http://www.photo.net.au/members/mbrown/weddings/haggardwed_0142.jpg

http://www.photo.net.au/members/mbrown/weddings/haggardwed_0236.jpg

http://www.photo.net.au/members/mbrown/weddings/haggardwed_0065bw.jpg

Mick Brown
gerrit - 26 Jul 2007 16:01 GMT
> Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here is a
> bit of my more recent work.
>
> Bare in mind, I'm a sport shooter not wedding, but hey knock yourselves
> out.  Constructive comments welcome.

Mike

Doug thinks he is a Professional Wedding Photographer so I guess the photos
he makes in that capacity are his best work.
If you are an amateur sport shooter then you should publish some in that
genre. It's just not fair to be critiqued on what is not your forte.

Gerrit
Mick Brown - 26 Jul 2007 23:44 GMT
>> Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here
>> is a bit of my more recent work.
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>
> Gerrit

Actually I am a pro sports shooter, but I have done weddings for years on
and off.  I haven't done one for a couple of years so I was a bit rusty
with this one.

Here are a few sports shots

www.flickr.com/photos/mbrown3064/418262948/in/set-72157600206828332/

www.flickr.com/photos/mbrown3064/418262946/in/set-72157600206828332/

www.flickr.com/photos/mbrown3064/452375754/in/set-72157600058722748/

www.afana.com/drupal/v/haw_syd_r11_07/0711hawsyd525.JPG.html

www.afana.com/drupal/v/col_ess_rnd5_2007/Ess_Col_rnd5_2007_012.JPG.html

Mick Brown
gerrit - 27 Jul 2007 02:36 GMT
> >> Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here
> >> is a bit of my more recent work.
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>
> Here are a few sports shots

Nothing to do with the technical qualities or otherwise but I like your
sport photos better.

Glad you didn't call yourself a Professional.

Gerrit
SmeeMW - 27 Jul 2007 13:49 GMT
Mick I had a look at your Flikr site and i must say i'm impressed beyond
reason.
I love all your shots especially the great ocean road shots and of
course the bike shots.
Are you a full on pro sport photog and if so how did you get your start?
What equipment do you use?

>>> Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here
>>> is a bit of my more recent work.
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>
> Mick Brown
Mick Brown - 27 Jul 2007 23:14 GMT
> Mick I had a look at your Flikr site and i must say i'm impressed
> beyond reason.
> I love all your shots especially the great ocean road shots and of
> course the bike shots.
> Are you a full on pro sport photog and if so how did you get your
> start? What equipment do you use?

<snip>

Hi Smee,

Thanks for that, I shoot sport more often than anything else (every
week)

Full on Pro?  Well in the technical terminology of a pro (Full time and
not doing anything else) no I'm not.  Do I shoot top level sports?  Yes
all the time, I am an accredited AFL Photographer and have done shoots
for sports mags like Alpha, and some bike stuff.  However most of my
work is freelancing for local sport photography companies who sell shots
to parents etc (that pays the best too).

Then again, I know plenty of sports shooters that have other jobs as
well, as there is not enough work in Australia to sustain full time
sports work unless you work for say Getty.  Even those guys do other
things during the week.

The nature of most sport, well in Melbourne at least, is that it is held
on weekends, allowing me to have a regular job during the week, and do
what I love to do on weekends and get paid for it :-).  If anything ever
comes up during the week, I take the time off work.

How did I get my start?

I rang a local sport photography company showed them some shots of
Soccer that I had taken with my D70 and 70-200, and he hired me.  I met
several other photographers at the company, some full time pro's for
papers, some amatuers.  One of them was an AFL shooter who got me into
the AFL, from there I have picked up other work like superbikes, sports
mag work etc.  Sports photography is litterally one of those not what
you know it's who you know things.

This past year for some reason the business has taken off a fair bit, to
the point that the tax man has told me that I have to now start
declaring GST (grrrr).  But I think I am still happy just running it on
weekends.  And I definatley DON'T want to start doing weddings again, it
was never my forte, even though I have never had a complaint and I
usually have a lot of fun with the bridal party.

Equipment? Currently I am running

Nikon D2Xs body,
200-400 f4 VR
70-200 2.8
17-55 2.8
85 1.4
105 2.8 (macro)
SB-800 flash head
Norman 400B Portable flash heads
Quantum Qflash T2
Bowens 500 studio lights
Backdrops etc etc

Hope this helps :-)
SmeeMW - 28 Jul 2007 03:03 GMT
>> Mick I had a look at your Flikr site and i must say i'm impressed
>> beyond reason.
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>
> Hope this helps :-)

Cheers Mick. :)
Pete D - 26 Jul 2007 21:49 GMT
I have a few on that site, one of them was the most looked at for a while.

http://www.photo.net.au/members/peted/Contre-jour-Pete-D-32.jpg.html?g2_imageVie
wsIndex=1


I like this one though.

http://www.photo.net.au/members/peted/Bussellton-Pier.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Cheers.

Pete

> Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here is a
> bit of my more recent work.
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>
> Mick Brown
gerrit - 27 Jul 2007 02:28 GMT
> I have a few on that site, one of them was the most looked at for a while.
> I like this one though.

http://www.photo.net.au/members/peted/Bussellton-Pier.jpg.html?g2_imageViews
Index=1

Pete

The structure sticking out into Geographe Bay at Busselton is a "jetty" not
a "pier". :-)

Liked all your WA photos though.

Gerrit - Perth
Pete D - 27 Jul 2007 09:42 GMT
>> I have a few on that site, one of them was the most looked at for a
>> while.
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>
> Gerrit - Perth

I did know that but glad you enjoyed the WA ones, didn't like the others?
;-)
gerrit - 27 Jul 2007 11:22 GMT
> I did know that but glad you enjoyed the WA ones, didn't like the others?
> ;-)

Am I allowed to be a little (a lot actually) parochial.
Anyway the Eagles are going to win again in September! :-)

Gerrit
Pete D - 27 Jul 2007 12:19 GMT
>> I did know that but glad you enjoyed the WA ones, didn't like the others?
>> ;-)
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>
> Gerrit

Of course, for both. ;-)
Doug Jewell - 26 Jul 2007 22:32 GMT
> Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here is a
> bit of my more recent work.
>
> Bare in mind, I'm a sport shooter not wedding, but hey knock yourselves
> out.  Constructive comments welcome.
For something that's not your forte, they're not too bad. my only slight
criticism, is that maybe they are a little overexposed - whites in the
dresses for example. But not too bad, i've certainly seen worse examples of
overexposure done by "professional wedding photographers".
As for your sports shots - fantastic! I assume you are registered with the
AFL and get to go down to the ground to get those shots. I ran into problems
with security at the third NRL state of origin game - they thought that with
a 300mm lens from 3/4 the way to the back of the stadium would be a threat
to their copyright.

> http://www.photo.net.au/members/mbrown/weddings/haggardwed_0142.jpg
>
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>
> Mick Brown
Mick Brown - 26 Jul 2007 23:15 GMT
>> Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here
>> is a bit of my more recent work.
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>>
>> Mick Brown

Hi Doug,

Those shots are overexposed from the process I used in P/S.  But I will go
back and play with them again, thanks for the feedback.  Sometimes you look
at pics for so long that you are working on, and they end up looking better
than they are LOL.

You are correct, I am an AFL photographer.  It's funny this year I have
seen quite a few people in the crowds sitting at the fence shooting with
anything from a 70-200 to a 50-500 sigma, maybe they are a little more
relaxed than the NRL.

Mick
.. - 27 Jul 2007 03:56 GMT
> Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here is a
> bit of my more recent work.
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>
> Mick Brown

I think you'll find Mick, The children haven't established a record of
playing with you like they play with Doug and you'll get few or no
comments about your pictures.

Personally I never did understand the twisted camera thing unless
there were peculiar opportunities for such shots. We also abandoned
the use of diffusion for all but special images several years ago but
I guess "each to their own".

http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/images/rach-1.png is
probably the best example I can offer over the net, where diffusion
was beneficial to an image. The image thief doesn't think so but a
poster size enlargement on canvas, hanging in our studio certainly
produces plenty of positive comments and results in bookings.

The children play with Doug because when he used 2 different web
sites. One an advertisement (brisbaneweddingphotographers.com) and the
other (photosbydouglas.com - now closed) to provide clients with
proofs, a hillbilly fool from the backwoods of Tennessee (Bret
Douglas) decided to get some leverage over Doug and stole some of
Doug's proof photos (about 10 from the 500 or so he had to choose
from) then proceeded to create site after site after site with free
hosts where he posted the pictures. You know as well as I that no
photographer gets everyone of 500 shots right. Doug's contracts (now
changed) gave the client the right to see all the pictures taken, not
just the good ones.

He forged Doug's name, using his identity (which he also stole). The
sheep in this group in particular but also some in rec.photo groups,
chimed in with their comments and the perception that these were
somehow examples of Doug as a wedding Photographer spread around. The
truth is a long way different. No one posting crap here has actually
seen any of Doug's wedding photography examples, just the couple of
recognized "nokeepers" Bret Douglas stole and maybe, Mark Thomas got
hold of too.

The fact is, if you use the Internet for providing photo proofs and
don't use secure or password protected galleries, you can expect this
sort of garbage from hoons with nothing but mischief on their mind.
Lesson 16 learned the hard way.

Another issue far more damaging to Usenet and relating to your earlier
post about starting a new group, goes back quite a few years. About
the time Canon released the 10D, (Milo's era) the first post (to
aus.photo) that really got the hoons out of their shells was made by
"Brenden", a Newcastle school teacher. He used the fact Milo lived
with and cared for his mother in some sort of degrading reference.
Milo eventually left the group, rather than put up with continual
defamation by idiots acting like a pack of dogs.

Mark Thomas (Used to call himself Charles Stevens) started the
personal attacks on Doug with his very well aimed but totally
defamatory and incorrect assessment of Doug's Interpolation routine to
enlarge digital images. He has stalked Doug ever since. The fact that
time has demonstrated Doug was a true pioneer in the digital canvas
print industry and the methods he developed and used to produce poster
size enlargements from postcard size images is now common place,
haven't changed the lunatics relentless attacks.

You might notice the idiot posted 50 lines of "technical evaluation"
of my happy snap (the Falcon ute) but has nothing to say about anyone
else but Doug's photos. All this from someone claiming to have "lost
his creativity" as a Professional 'wedding' photographer but not
offering any proof of his bullshit claims. Just like the other poppy
cutters getting stuck into those who do post their photos - no
credibility.

More power to you Mick, for posting something. Pity others don't
follow your lead.
Hello Doug - 27 Jul 2007 04:13 GMT
. wrote:

> > Seeing that I was challenged last week to throw some stuff up, here is a
> > bit of my more recent work.
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> More power to you Mick, for posting something. Pity others don't
> follow your lead.

Doug you are a f.cking idiot, stop changing your name so you can stay in
the killfile.
You told Mick if he posted on topic stuff you would stop posting.
Guess you went back on that deal. You are a f.cking grub.

One thing Mick has that you don't is talent so don't try and make his
thread about you.
Posters like Mick, they hate you because you are the lowest form of life
on usenet.
To steal a line from another group, "You are the skidmark onthe underpants
of usenet"

Come back with the bully bullshit if you like or even report me to the AFP
but stop changing your name so I don't have to read your  me me me crap
anymore.
NOW FOAD    yes that does me  f.ck OFF AND DIE

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Annika1980 - 27 Jul 2007 05:01 GMT
> Personally I never did understand the twisted camera thing unless
> there were peculiar opportunities for such shots.

You mean like this one?
http://www.pbase.com/image/82892816

LOL!  Sucks to be you D-Mac (oops, I meant Cryptopix) !!

We also abandoned
> the use of diffusion for all but special images several years ago but
> I guess "each to their own".
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> More power to you Mick, for posting something. Pity others don't
> follow your lead.
Annika1980 - 27 Jul 2007 05:05 GMT
> The children play with Doug because when he used 2 different web
> sites.

<snipped 7 paragraphs of Doug whining like a schoolgirl>

What do Mick's pics have to do with your paranoid delusions, asshat?

Ok, we get it .... everyone is out to get you.  So let's move on.

As for Mick's wedding pics, I've seen better, but I've seen a whole
lot worse.
For example:  http://www.pbase.com/figgy/badweddings
Vintage Monk - 27 Jul 2007 05:13 GMT
>> The children play with Doug because when he used 2 different web
>> sites.
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> lot worse.
> For example:  http://www.pbase.com/figgy/badweddings

Are they comedy shots?
The poison cake shot would be one of the funniest I have seen on the net.
Julian - 27 Jul 2007 13:10 GMT
> >> The children play with Doug because when he used 2 different web
> >> sites.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Are they comedy shots?
> The poison cake shot would be one of the funniest I have seen on the net.

Actually I thought these were a pretty close to as bad as it gets
examples of how NOT to photograph a wedding:
http://www.geocities.com/bret_douglas/
Geez Bret, did you actually give the bride any of this rubbish? Maybe
I'll get in touch with your site builder and see how the upgrade is
coming along. It seems he's having trouble getting to grips with your
artistic use of a 16mm lens for wedding portraits! Talk about good
ones!
Marutchi - 27 Jul 2007 09:02 GMT
I think you'll find Mick, The children haven't established a record of
playing with you like they play with Doug and you'll get few or no
comments about your pictures.

<snip the rest of the stupid rubbish, which fools no one, as to who the
poster is>

It was Miro not Milo and although a little (well... very),  acerbic was also
funny (and his photos were outstanding), something the lot of you aren't nor
do  most of you who engage in all this stupid baiting,  have his talent for
photography.

I just wish the lot of you would grow up and ignore each other, none of you
are going to win or score points...ever, so why continue making yourselves
look like total dicks?

I guess I know the answer to that...because you all are.
werdan - 28 Jul 2007 02:12 GMT
> I think you'll find Mick, The children haven't established a record of
> playing with you like they play with Doug and you'll get few or no
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>
> I guess I know the answer to that...because you all are.

lol!
 
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