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Polarisers (linear v circular), used camera gear in Brisbane/GC

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mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 28 Mar 2007 12:39 GMT
I dropped by Photo Continental in Bris on the weekend, hoping to pick
up my X400 ND filter (*still* hasn't arrived), and also after a second
linear polariser.

"Can I help?"
"Yes, I'm after a linear polariser"
"Linear?"
"Yes, it's for a non-dslr and I am just going to do some experiments
with crossed filters and the like, so I don't need to go to the
expense of a circular"
"So this is for a digital camera?"
"Yes.."
"No, you can't use linear polarisers with digital, because you'll get
jaggies."

A pause, while I give him my best annoyed, pained look.

"No, that's NOT right - and you have lost a sale." as I turned and
walked out of the store..

JAGGIES????  Sheesh.  Note to Photo Continental's staff trainer - it's
one thing not to know what you are talking about (just admit it - it
doesn't hurt) - but for heaven's sake, tell your staff NOT to just
make stuff up.

For the record, as I understand it, linear polarisers are fine on any
camera which does not use beam-splitting.  So isn't that pretty well
*all* non-DSLR's?  I know that I've used my trusty old linear on a
number of non-dslrs, including Sony 717/828's, my Oly C8080 and now a
Fuji S9500, without a problem with either AF or exposure metering.

I've heard an awful lot of usenet folk very animatedly argue that
linears are not to be used on *any* digital cameras (thankfully not
normally because of 'jaggies' (O:).  But I am inclined to think this
is just making a lot of non-dslr owners needlessly poorer.  Linears
are a lot cheaper, and in theory should be a teeeny bit better as they
are only one layer of glass..

Does anyone know which non-dslrs might use beam splitters (and, out of
interest, why?), or have a decent reference to something substantial/
scientific (rather than hearsay/opinion) about this topic?

And lastly, having been underwhelmed by Photo Continental - where do
cameras go to die in Brisbane???  Back in Adelaide a few years back,
there were at least 3 places where you could browse through lots of
used gear - are such places rapidly disappearing, or are there some
around Brisbane or the Gold Coast that I haven't been able to find?
(Yes, I've let my fingers do the walking, but haven't encountered
anything very useful so far - I'm almost ready to descend to the level
of visiting Ca$h Converter$... Eeurgh.)
Pete D - 28 Mar 2007 12:52 GMT
>I dropped by Photo Continental in Bris on the weekend, hoping to pick
> up my X400 ND filter (*still* hasn't arrived), and also after a second
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> anything very useful so far - I'm almost ready to descend to the level
> of visiting Ca$h Converter$... Eeurgh.)

With few buying into film these days the rubbish far outweighs the gems and
I think that many places you would expect some older gear simply do not try
and sell it even on consignment because they would be hard pressed to
compete with Ebay.
cmyk - 29 Mar 2007 12:23 GMT
I think you'll find all autofocus SLRs have beam-splitters. In some cases, liner polarizers can confuse autofcus mechanisms and in
others in can affect auto exposure calculations. There was a bit of a write-up about this in Australian Photography magazine a few
months back.

Actually, I've been thinking of buying a linear polarizer to put in front of a (circular - not that that matters) polarizer so that
I can block out varying amounts of light - sort of like a 4 to infinity nd filter. Could be useful for photgraphing eclipses.

Cheers
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cmyk

>I dropped by Photo Continental in Bris on the weekend, hoping to pick
> up my X400 ND filter (*still* hasn't arrived), and also after a second
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> anything very useful so far - I'm almost ready to descend to the level
> of visiting Ca$h Converter$... Eeurgh.)
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 30 Mar 2007 11:29 GMT
> I think you'll find all autofocus SLRs have beam-splitters. In some cases, liner polarizers can confuse autofcus mechanisms and in
> others in can affect auto exposure calculations. There was a bit of a write-up about this in Australian Photography magazine a few
> months back.

Yep, and this is my point - as far as I'm aware, the problem only
applies to DSLR's.  Of course, if you're ever going to get a DSLR, it
would be silly to not go for a circular, but for other cameras, eg
prosumers, as far as I can tell, none have the beam splitter and so
none have the problem.

> Actually, I've been thinking of buying a linear polarizer to put in front of a (circular - not that that matters) polarizer so that
> I can block out varying amounts of light - sort of like a 4 to infinity nd filter. Could be useful for photgraphing eclipses.

Yes, although they tend to give a strong blue-violet colour cast (to
the eye) as you approach 'totality'.  I haven't done photographic
tests yet..  And you don't get infinity..more like the effect of an IR
filter..

This site has some interesting stuff, amongst the broken image
links...
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/index.html?polarizer.html
cmyk - 01 Apr 2007 08:46 GMT
> as far as I'm aware, the problem only applies to DSLR's.

No, as I said, it applies to most autofocus SLRs, digitial or analog. For a comprehensive write-up, see:
http://www.popphoto.com/pdfs/2002/0902/Polarizer.pdf

Cheers
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 01 Apr 2007 10:56 GMT
> > as far as I'm aware, the problem only applies to DSLR's.
>
> No, as I said, it applies to most autofocus SLRs, digitial or analog. For a comprehensive write-up, see:http://www.popphoto.com/pdfs/2002/0902/Polarizer.pdf
>
> Cheers

Sorry -yes, I meant *all* SLR's, not just digital...  brain not in
gear.
Annika1980 - 30 Mar 2007 00:34 GMT
On Mar 28, 7:39 am, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote:

> JAGGIES????  Sheesh.  Note to Photo Continental's staff trainer - it's
> one thing not to know what you are talking about (just admit it - it
> doesn't hurt) - but for heaven's sake, tell your staff NOT to just
> make stuff up.

Did the guy have "St. James" or "MacDonald" on his name tag?
Perhaps D-Mac has some kin in the biz.
 
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