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Why buy a digital SLR?

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The Doctor - 18 Mar 2007 08:09 GMT
Hi,

Given that one can non-digital SLR digital cameras with a good optical
zoom and megapixels. Why would one want to get a digital SLR which are
quite expensive?

Thank you
Anthony
Pete D - 18 Mar 2007 08:18 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Thank you
> Anthony

What you have written does not make that much sense, care to rewrite it and
then read before posting?
Joan - 18 Mar 2007 09:19 GMT
He calls himself a doctor, what do you expect?

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: What you have written does not make that much sense, care to rewrite it and
: then read before posting?
Pete D - 18 Mar 2007 10:51 GMT
Proctologist? Gynocologist? Excuse the language!

> He calls himself a doctor, what do you expect?
>
> : What you have written does not make that much sense, care to rewrite
> it and
> : then read before posting?
Wilba - 18 Mar 2007 10:14 GMT
>> Given that one can non-digital SLR digital cameras with a good optical
>> zoom and megapixels. Why would one want to get a digital SLR which are
>> quite expensive?
>
> What you have written does not make that much sense, care to rewrite it
> and then read before posting?

With an appropriate verb in the right place, it starts to make sense -

> Given that one can _GET_ non-digital SLR digital cameras with a good
> optical zoom and megapixels. Why would one want to get a digital SLR
> which are quite expensive?
Pete D - 18 Mar 2007 10:48 GMT
>>> Given that one can non-digital SLR digital cameras with a good optical
>>> zoom and megapixels. Why would one want to get a digital SLR which are
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>> optical zoom and megapixels. Why would one want to get a digital SLR
>> which are quite expensive?

How does a NON DIGITAL have MEGAPIXELS?????
Mr.T - 18 Mar 2007 11:48 GMT
> > With an appropriate verb in the right place, it starts to make sense -
> >
> >> Given that one can _GET_ non-digital SLR digital cameras with a good
> >> optical zoom and megapixels. Why would one want to get a digital SLR
> >> which are quite expensive?

> How does a NON DIGITAL have MEGAPIXELS?????

I was wondering how that bit made sense myself.
However the whole question is a troll, IF he prefers film for ANY reason, he
should simply use it and get on with life.
I have no trouble using both, as appropriate.

MrT.
Pete D - 18 Mar 2007 11:53 GMT
>> > With an appropriate verb in the right place, it starts to make sense -
>> >
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>
> MrT.

Indeed.
Avery - 18 Mar 2007 10:47 GMT
>Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Thank you
>Anthony

Because, Anthony, there is much more to a good camera than optical
zoom and megapixels.
Douglas. - 18 Mar 2007 11:08 GMT
: >Hi,
: >
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: Because, Anthony, there is much more to a good camera than optical
: zoom and megapixels.
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There most certainly is Avery.
Things like:
A Leica 12x Zoom lens.
Movies! -yep excellent 9 minute videos the quality of which, few video
cameras can rival.
Then there's the ability to tilt the LCD viewing screen to any convenient
angle for those exceptional ground level and out of position shots ...and of
course,
RAW image capture for later editing with a computer if you can afford one
after the DSLR, of course! And let's not forget another the very important
things...
ETTL hotshoe flash control. Absolutely essential for creative use of your
DSLR.
Image stabilization for slow shutter/ low light, sharply focused shots...

Let's not forget the dark frame subtraction system for night shots and the
macro mode for close ups. Oh, the comparison goes on and on but one thing is
absolutely crystal clear... Most people not only don't need a DSLR, they are
losing out on their photographic pleasure buying antique featured SLR
cameras when they could have it all in a top level consumer camera..

Why indeed would you want to settle for less features and the task of buying
many lenses when one of these beauties can be had for about $700? YOU DON"T
NEED A DSLR to have all these features, two of which are not available in
DSLR's anyway!

The camera is a Panasonic FZ50. Technically it's a ZLR but it works so
bloody well and it's images are so bloody nice, you really have to wonder at
the crap Canon and Nikon sell at a price about 50% higher and call them
"Prosumer" cameras to attract those who feel embarrassed to have anything
less than a DSLR.

Douglas
Pete D - 18 Mar 2007 11:26 GMT
> : >Hi,
> : >
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>
> Douglas

LOL, thats a good one bumpkins, wait til you use the viewfinder they are so
crappy that you will puke.
Mr.T - 18 Mar 2007 11:56 GMT
> A Leica 12x Zoom lens.
> Movies! -yep excellent 9 minute videos the quality of which, few video
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> "Prosumer" cameras to attract those who feel embarrassed to have anything
> less than a DSLR.

Maybe because some of us want more than a P&S can provide. For sure they are
convenient, and obviously all YOU need.
I do agree that some people who buy a DSLR with standard lens, and never buy
any other accessory, would sometimes be better off with a P&S, but many DSLR
buyers would simply give up photography if an FZ50 was all they could ever
own.

MrT.
Jeff R. - 18 Mar 2007 13:10 GMT
> : >Hi,
> : >
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> There most certainly is Avery.
> Things like:

<features snipped>

> The camera is a Panasonic FZ50. Technically it's a ZLR but it works so
> bloody well and it's images are so bloody nice, you really have to wonder
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Douglas

Have to present a contrary opinion here.
My FZ30 appears to have a very similar feature list.  That's what sold me.
I particularly liked the prospect of:

* manual focus
* tilt/swivel LCD VF
* huge zoom range
* IS

The focus is almost unusable with the EVF.  The sensor noise is just plain
unacceptable. The IS is pathetic (it *works*, but so does holding your
breath)

I still like the tilt/swivel VF and the huge zoom, but on balance the camera
is complete and utter crap. Unreliable in arginal conditions, and
effectively unusable in low light.  Forget flash.  My 1.3Mp Mavica did a
better job.

My FZ30 is not worthy of doorstop status. The noise and crappy focussing
render it useless. (Oh - almost forgot - the auto focus on long focal
lengths takes ages and is unreliable.)

The camera works satisfactorily in ideal conditions: bright natural light
and medium focal length.
BUT! I don't buy cameras for ideal conditions - I buy them for all
conditions.

My Nikon D50 cost me $300 more and is infinitely superior.

I keep the FZ30 at work for recording casual, unimportant events.  I bring
in the D50 if the shots are important.  I'd've disposed of the Panasonic by
now, but my religion forbids it.

Unless the FZ50 is a complete rebuild (new, much larger sensor; much better
manual and auto focussing; etc.) then I would strongly advise against buying
one of these POS.

I have now spent a shirtload of cash getting focal length equivalence to the
FZ30 for my D50 (12-300mm - or 8-2500mm if you count fisheye and telescopes)
and I don't begrudge a single cent.  I've spent more on one lens than on the
FZ30, and am delighted to have done so.

The FZ30 joins my small list of absolute lemons, along with a first
generation Casio battery-eater.

Of course, these are just my opinions, based on ownership and fairly heavy
use.

--
Jeff R.
Avery - 19 Mar 2007 11:26 GMT
>: >Hi,
>: >
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>
>Douglas

I don't know why I would want  a x12 zoom lens. Even if it was branded
as  a Leica.  The brand on the lens sometimes has little relevance to
the quality. Nikkor and Canon have made some pretty crappy lenses.

Why would I want 9 minutes of video from a still camera  - makes no
sense to me.

As to the rest of this Douglas, none of it is particullarly relevant
to me or ,I think, to the OP.

I agree that a good quality point and shoot digicam can be a really
good thing. I have a couple that I use almost daily and quite like the
results.

I am glad that you are happy with your Panasonic. I hope you use it to
good effect.

The OP asked why would you get a DSLR when you can get a P&S  with a
big zoom and lots of megapixels. Would you like to discuss why a big
zoom and lots of megapixels are not always the best way to measure
the worth of a camera?  Or do you agree that a bigger zoom and/or more
pixels actually do make a better camera?  Have you rid yourself of
DSLR cameras and now run your (fabulous) wedding photography business
with only your Panasonic digicam?  What about all the boys on your
boat? Do they all use Panasonics?

I hear Nokia are coming out with some pretty radical phonecams,
perhaps you could rationalise the whole thing and just turn up with a
2 Mpixel phone. All of us that follow your adventures know that you
could turn a 2 mpixel phonecam image into a perfectly exposed and
perfectly sharp printed image that would cover the side of a bus. I
really don't know why you would spend $700 on a digicam, even if it
does have "leica"  screen printed on the side.
munky - 19 Mar 2007 02:54 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Thank you
> Anthony

I'm assuming you mean what does a dslr do that one of the better fixed lens
point & shoots doesn't?

To be really general and simplistic, there are two major advantages  :-

1) much better in low light....lower noise in general and pushing the ISO
gives usable results
2) greatly reduced shutter lag

If neither of these factors matter much to you then you may well be happier
with a P&S.  (These are by no means the only advantages).
www.kevinkienlein.com - 19 Mar 2007 10:46 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Thank you
> Anthony

must be a lawyer or a politician! ?? :o) bush? kk
 
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