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D-Mac - 11 Mar 2007 01:12 GMT
So how low can you go?
The human eye is easily fooled... Like a few people I know!

http://www.annika1980.com/D-Macs/rub-a-dub-dub.htm

Douglas
Graham Fountain - 11 Mar 2007 09:03 GMT
> So how low can you go?
> The human eye is easily fooled... Like a few people I know!
It's simply trading resolution for colour depth, and using dithering to make
up the difference. In the case of the photo you posted, it unfortunately has
neither (i'm not trying to have a go at you, the low resolution is obviously
because it has been formatted to fit a computer monitor), and so there is
clear graininess around the people (the ocean looks fine though). You could
take a full colour photo, and convert it to higher resolution but with only
1 bit per colour per pixel, and if printed at high enough resolution it
would look no different to the full colour photo. In fact this is exactly
what colour inkjet printers do - they print a very high resolution image,
but with just 1 bit per colour per dot. Because of the high resolution the
eye blends the little dots together to give the impression of millions of
colours. Same technique has been used in printing for years too, so that
greyscale and colour images can be printed from presses that are capable of
1 bit colour/grey depth.

> http://www.annika1980.com/D-Macs/rub-a-dub-dub.htm
>
> Douglas
D-Mac - 12 Mar 2007 03:06 GMT
>> So how low can you go?
>> The human eye is easily fooled... Like a few people I know!
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>>
>> Douglas

The issue Graham is not what you can achieve with 1 bit colour output but
what I choose to do to display my photos in such a way as I wish.

You, just like me, should be permitted to exercise whatever means we
choose to produce a viewable image which is very hard to reproduce
(steal) commercially. If you can absolutely guarantee me some Chinese or
Korean poster printer won't steal my 800 pixel images and then try to
sell them back to me on 2 feet wide canvas, I'll post them full res.

Otherwise, it's me who will decide on the quality and /or sharpness of
images I post on the Internet. Don't take offense. I'm not jumping on
you, just clearing my position on the matter.

Douglas
Annika1980 - 12 Mar 2007 05:43 GMT
> If you can absolutely guarantee me some Chinese or
> Korean poster printer won't steal my 800 pixel images and then try to
> sell them back to me on 2 feet wide canvas, I'll post them full res.

Yeah, like there's a chance in the world of that happening!
There's like 4 Billion Chinese and guess what, D-Mac?
They all think your pics suck, too!
They got better pics in a Shanghai prison.
Graham Fountain - 14 Mar 2007 12:58 GMT
> The issue Graham is not what you can achieve with 1 bit colour output but
> what I choose to do to display my photos in such a way as I wish.
I guess I misunderstood what you were saying in your post - I thought
you were just trying to demonstrate how an image with only 2 bits/colour
can still appear ok.

> You, just like me, should be permitted to exercise whatever means we
> choose to produce a viewable image which is very hard to reproduce
> (steal) commercially. If you can absolutely guarantee me some Chinese or
> Korean poster printer won't steal my 800 pixel images and then try to
> sell them back to me on 2 feet wide canvas, I'll post them full res.
Realistically, I don't think it's that much of an issue. 800x600 images
produce _barely_ acceptible 6x4's, let alone poster prints. If you're
that concerned, then just put a watermark on them. There are many
professional photographers who don't feel the need to ruin their photos
for internet display. After all, a website is a showcase. No-one would
fill their printed portfolio book with deliberate poor quality work in
case someone photographed a page out of it. The internet is exactly the
same - an image that looks acceptable on screen with 600-800 pixels on
the long side will not be of good enough quality for someone to steal it.

> Otherwise, it's me who will decide on the quality and /or sharpness of
> images I post on the Internet. Don't take offense. I'm not jumping on
> you, just clearing my position on the matter.
I didn't take offense, and I agree that you have every right to format
images how you want, but please don't take offense at me when I say that
I think it would be more sensible to post examples of your _best_ work
on your website, since it is a form of advertising. I really do think
that you are getting worried about nothing. An image with 600-800 pixels
is not of sufficient resolution to be printed to a decent size, so I
really don't think it will impact your sales negatively. On the
contrary, if you display some of your best work, and display it in a
manner that allows the quality to be seen, then you might get extra
business from the internet.

> Douglas
Douglas - 14 Mar 2007 21:35 GMT
: > The issue Graham is not what you can achieve with 1 bit colour output but
: > what I choose to do to display my photos in such a way as I wish.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
: manner that allows the quality to be seen, then you might get extra
: business from the internet.

What would call decent size Graham?
Last year a Wedding Photographer I make canvas portraits for, gave me a disc
of his images with the tale he'd accidentally deleted the print files and
only had the 800 wide CD files when the couple ordered some prints. Bit of a
horror story actually.

I enlarged them by interpolation and printed them 8x12  at 180 dpi on a
Minolta digital print station. Surprisingly good results too.

I think I'm going to continue with the flash program I made the last
portfolio with. Not much I can do about the thumbs being square but it does
(unlike Gallery's compression) maintain some image quality although it's a
little slow for people still on dial up.

Business from the Internet is directly related to search engine placement
which requires constant effort to keep in the top 20. Last year I spent
plenty of time doing this. My site was up in the top 6 search returns. The
enquiry rate?  Zero! There may be room to improve it but it's not what you'd
call a shocker, is it?

I am about to take your advice and actually put my best work up. Small
pictures but none the less enough to view. We can test your theory then, eh?

Thanks for the banter,
Douglas
Annika1980 - 14 Mar 2007 23:43 GMT
> An image with 600-800 pixels
> is not of sufficient resolution to be printed to a decent size, so I
> really don't think it will impact your sales negatively.

I don't know about that, Graham.
That is usually true, but you gotta remember that the folks who buy D-
Mac's stuff aren't too interested in print quality.
Annika1980 - 12 Mar 2007 20:22 GMT
> So how low can you go?
> The human eye is easily fooled... Like a few people I know!
>
> http://www.annika1980.com/D-Macs/rub-a-dub-dub.htm

I guess the boys on the boat were right.
You do have a small dinghy.
 
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