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ANNI TESTS THE 300 f/4L IS !

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Annika1980 - 04 Mar 2007 22:20 GMT
OK, sports fans, this weeks test involves the Canon 300 f/4L IS.
Specifically, I wanted to see how it would compare against the 400 f/
5.6L (which sadly lacks IS).  I did a series of shots with each lens
at the official TN Canon Testing Grounds (shot out of my bathroom
window).  No tripods were used in the test (tripods are for wimps!),
but I was able to stabilize each lens on a copy of Percy Boomer's
1946
classic, "On Learning Golf" which I keep at the test facility.

Here is the test site with the tested area shown in the red box:
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/75187704

I won't post all the images, but first I shot with the 300 f/4L
without using the IS.
Then I took another shot with the IS on.  This setting is not
recommended for tripod shots, and it doesn't do much better when
balanced on Percy Boomer's 1946 classic, "On Learning Golf."
The pic without the IS was noticeably sharper. This is because the IS
mechanism is "hunting" trying to stabilize an already stable image.
So
from now on, only use the IS when you are handholding.  Got that?
Ok,
let's move on.

Next I tested the same lens using a Hoya UV filter to see if I could
tell the difference.
Many people buy expensive lenses and keep UV filters on them at all
times for protection.  Surprisingly, I was able to tell a difference
with the UV filter on and off.
The shots without it were cleaner and slightly sharper.  However,
this
difference was not as great as the IS vs. non-IS shots. But even with
only a slight improvement, it seems silly to me to buy the expensive
"L" glass and then cover it with additional glass.  You wouldn't
expect to get a great photo shooting through a window would you?

Next I tested the 300 f/4L against the 400 f/5.6L.
I was very interested in seeing how the 300 with the Canon 1.4x
(giving an effective focal length of 420mm) would match up against
the
400 f/5.6L.

Here are the comparison images:
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/75187706/original

As you can tell, the image from the 400 f/5.6L is noticeably better.
This is not surprising since we are putting more glass between the
lens and the sensor. But I was hoping the results would be closer.
So
comparing these lenses one must decide if the benefits of IS (on the
300 f.4L) when handholding these lenses outweighs the inherent
sharpness advantage of the 400 f/5.6L.

The bottom line is: you just can't cheat physics. Buy the biggest,
fastest primes you can afford and forget the teleconverters.

Just for fun, here's what the 400 f/5.6L looks like with both a 2x
and
a 1.4x stacked on it.  That gives a FL of 1120mm.
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/75187707
D. Springthorpe - 04 Mar 2007 23:26 GMT
>but I was able to stabilize each lens on a copy of Percy Boomer's
>1946
>classic, "On Learning Golf" which I keep at the test facility.

How did you manage to tee that up ?
Annika1980 - 05 Mar 2007 01:16 GMT
On Mar 4, 6:26 pm, D. Springthorpe <david.springtho...@idx.com.au>
wrote:

> >but I was able to stabilize each lens on a copy of Percy Boomer's
> >1946
> >classic, "On Learning Golf" which I keep at the test facility.
>
> How did you manage to tee that up ?

Window ledge.
Mr.T - 05 Mar 2007 05:50 GMT
> Next I tested the same lens using a Hoya UV filter to see if I could
> tell the difference.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> "L" glass and then cover it with additional glass.  You wouldn't
> expect to get a great photo shooting through a window would you?

And you wouldn't expect all lenses to perform the same, yet you don't even
mention what series that Hoya filter is (they make *many* grades).
You do realise there are better filters available than Hoya, don't you?
Did you use a lens hood?

BTW, how many glass elements are in each of those lenses :-)

> Next I tested the 300 f/4L against the 400 f/5.6L.
> I was very interested in seeing how the 300 with the Canon 1.4x
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Here are the comparison images:
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/75187706/original

Well if you want a 300mm, don't buy a 400mm, or vice versa. IMO.
Where is the image from the 300 *without* the teleconverter?
(and maybe one from the 300 cropped to the same FOV as the 400mm?)

Another problem is you claim "tripods are for wimps!" and we have no idea
just how succesful your golf book was at steadying each shot. You would need
at least a few shots from each to compare, but surely a decent tripod would
be easier?

MrT.
textilis - 05 Mar 2007 07:00 GMT
> Well if you want a 300mm, don't buy a 400mm, or vice versa. IMO.
> Where is the image from the 300 *without* the teleconverter?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> MrT.

Don't be so critical MrT, measurabating is what pro telephoto's and
converters are used for.
So you don't shoot your neighbouring houses with a 1120mm lens?
Mr.T - 05 Mar 2007 07:43 GMT
> Don't be so critical MrT, measurabating is what pro telephoto's and
> converters are used for.

???
(not sure if it's a typo, but probably worth a chuckle in any case :-)

> So you don't shoot your neighbouring houses with a 1120mm lens?

No, I have used a 2X converter and 500mm lens for other things though.
But having gone through the teleconverter phase, I hardly ever use them now,
and never with digital.

MrT.
Annika1980 - 05 Mar 2007 17:47 GMT
> And you wouldn't expect all lenses to perform the same, yet you don't even
> mention what series that Hoya filter is (they make *many* grades).
> You do realise there are better filters available than Hoya, don't you?
> Did you use a lens hood?

The 300 f/4L IS has a built-in lens hood.  Probably wouldn't have
mattered though since I was shooting from shade. As for the filter
quality you are stil putting more glass in front of the lens that it
wasn't designed for.

> BTW, how many glass elements are in each of those lenses :-)

One wonders why the designers didn't include a built-in UV filter.
Uh, maybe because it would reduce the quality?

> Well if you want a 300mm, don't buy a 400mm, or vice versa. IMO.
> Where is the image from the 300 *without* the teleconverter?

It is right here.  I neglected to link to it.
BTW, this was the better image (without the IS).
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/75188712

> Another problem is you claim "tripods are for wimps!" and we have no idea
> just how succesful your golf book was at steadying each shot. You would need
> at least a few shots from each to compare, but surely a decent tripod would
> be easier?

I think the 1120mm shot will attest to the stability of the setup.
And yes, I did take multiple shots of each.

The test setup I used was not perfect.  I may repeat it using a
tripod.
Mr.T - 06 Mar 2007 06:31 GMT
>As for the filter
> quality you are stil putting more glass in front of the lens that it
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> One wonders why the designers didn't include a built-in UV filter.
> Uh, maybe because it would reduce the quality?

More likely so they can sell you a UV filter :-)
You DO realise all the major lens manufacturers sell filters themselves. Why
do you think that is?

But adding a filter is unlikely to improve the resolution. (it may improve
the contrast though) The question is whether it's benefits outweigh it's
disadvantages. I would have thought that was always the question a
photographer must decide for himself.

MrT.
 
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