* Poxy is quoted & my replies are inline below :
>> I bought my girlfriend a Canon EOS 350D that came with 2 lenses
>> as a kit - an 18-55mm and a 75-300mm f/4-5.6. We are both novice
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> think more about the fundamentals of good photos than the technical
> particulars of lenses.
Fair enough. Thanks to you and Biggus for your thoughts.

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> > I bought my girlfriend a Canon EOS 350D that came with 2 lenses
> > as a kit - an 18-55mm and a 75-300mm f/4-5.6. We are both novice
> > photographers still learning. I understand these lenses that
> > came with the kit are probably not top quality, but when I bought
> > the kit I figured they would do for our skill and price level.
> Both the kit lenses you mention take fine pictures
Well obviously it's all relative. Many serious photographers prefer faster
lenses with less distortion and higher resolution. However if you never
shoot low light and/or action photos, and never print anything above 6"x4",
then they will indeed take quite fine pictures, as you say. You can even use
Photoshop to get rid of the more obvious distortions.
>Great pictures are *never*
> judged on their sharpness or lack of chromatic aberration
> or whatever other technical aspect of lenses
>I generally find people who obsess about that
> kind of thing are those who miss the "bigger picture".
Actually *they* are the ones who are after the "bigger picture" than 6"x4"
:-)
> The only drawback of that lens combo, particularly when travelling, is the
> need to swap lenses - the classic 35mm 28-200mm lens is great in this
> respect as one lens allows you to cover virtually any setting,
Why not a P&S with 10:1 (or more) zoom then? Smaller, lighter, cheaper,
longer zoom range.
Simply ignore the lack of detail, excessive noise, and hundred other
limitations, many people do just that :-)
MrT.
Poxy - 27 Feb 2007 03:27 GMT
> > > I bought my girlfriend a Canon EOS 350D that came with 2 lenses
> > > as a kit - an 18-55mm and a 75-300mm f/4-5.6. We are both novice
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> then they will indeed take quite fine pictures, as you say. You can even use
> Photoshop to get rid of the more obvious distortions.
Serious photographers are serious photographers, not people just starting
out. I've seen 10x8's taken with the stock 18-55mm that look great - clear,
clean and sharp. Of course, what strikes me about a great shot isn't the
sharpness, distortion or chromatic abberation - they'd be the very last
things I'd consider.
> >Great pictures are *never*
> > judged on their sharpness or lack of chromatic aberration
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> Actually *they* are the ones who are after the "bigger picture" than 6"x4"
> :-)
As I said, a well-exposed shot in decent lighting conditions will print very
nicely at 10x8 (or A4).
> > The only drawback of that lens combo, particularly when travelling, is the
> > need to swap lenses - the classic 35mm 28-200mm lens is great in this
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Simply ignore the lack of detail, excessive noise, and hundred other
> limitations, many people do just that :-)
My sister purchased a Panasonic FZ30 10x P&S and found it an utter piece of
crap. Interestingly, the lens seems to be reasonably sharp, and if that was
one's criteria, it's a bloody fantastic camera.
The fact that it routinely produces noisy, poorly-exposed shots with a nasty
colour cast has her thinking she should have spent a bit extra and got
exactly the same kit as is mentioned in this thread. She's overseas again
now and left the FZ30 in her drawer and took her little Ixus as it simply
takes better pictures. Not as sharp as the FZ-30, but better pictures all
the same.
Mr.T - 27 Feb 2007 04:50 GMT
> Serious photographers are serious photographers, not people just starting
> out. I've seen 10x8's taken with the stock 18-55mm that look great - clear,
> clean and sharp. Of course, what strikes me about a great shot isn't the
> sharpness, distortion or chromatic abberation - they'd be the very last
> things I'd consider.
Yep, it is the last thing many people consider. Then when they get that
fantastic shot they want to blow up and frame, they wonder why it doesn't
look as good as the 6"x4".
> As I said, a well-exposed shot in decent lighting conditions will print very
> nicely at 10x8 (or A4).
As I said, it's all relative.
> My sister purchased a Panasonic FZ30 10x P&S and found it an utter piece of
> crap.
See, it's all relative. Many people say that about the kit lenses too :-)
MrT.