I'm looking for an Australian version of smugmug or printroom or similar. I
want to be able to display and sell prints online where the site prints and
despatches the images as well. The American site all service Australia but
there are problems with exchange rates and high postage so I'd rather deal
with any local equivalent.
The only one I know of is www.progalleries.com.au but it's commission is
quite a lot higher than any other sites I've found in the US. Any one know of
any other sites or labs which can offer the same service. I'm in Melbourne.
JJ
>I'm looking for an Australian version of smugmug or printroom or similar. I
>want to be able to display and sell prints online where the site prints and
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>quite a lot higher than any other sites I've found in the US. Any one know of
>any other sites or labs which can offer the same service. I'm in Melbourne.
Unfortunately, I don't know of any Australian businesses like that.
I've given some thought to starting one myself.
Mike Warren - 15 Feb 2007 05:11 GMT
> > I'm looking for an Australian version of smugmug or printroom or
> > similar. I want to be able to display and sell prints online where
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> Unfortunately, I don't know of any Australian businesses like that.
> I've given some thought to starting one myself.
The problem as I see it is that the market is so much smaller here
which means that higher prices need to be charged to make it viable.

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kosh - 15 Feb 2007 22:25 GMT
>>>I'm looking for an Australian version of smugmug or printroom or
>>>similar. I want to be able to display and sell prints online where
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> The problem as I see it is that the market is so much smaller here
> which means that higher prices need to be charged to make it viable.
you beat me to it.... when you have a massive volume, it's easier to
charge less!
I think (been awhile since I viewed it) smugsmug.com is another site
offering similar... they were only looking at australia last time I
looked into it.
kosh
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Hi JJ,
There are a few who do this.
http://www.buyaphoto.com.au
http://central.onpix.com/com/
If you want a cheap way of doing it host the photos yourself and put
the order through www.photoenlargements.com.au They can send out the
prints straight to your customer. Let me know if you need help.
cheers
Paul
pd@hydrophotographics.com.au
www.hydrophotographics.com.au

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Lionel - 16 Feb 2007 14:28 GMT
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>There are a few who do this.
>http://www.buyaphoto.com.au
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>pd@hydrophotographics.com.au
>www.hydrophotographics.com.au
Nifty! How long have you been offering this service? Boy, I really
could've used it a year ago, when I was shooting a couple of events a
week. One of the reasons I stopped doing it was that I couldn't figure
out any way of turning a profit on a kazillion requests for one or two
prints each, & I felt terrible about disappointing them.
If I were to take care of the programming side myself, from my site,
would you be at all interested in a setup (just thinking out loud
here), where my users could select their photo, etc, from my site,
which would then gateway them into your site for CC payment & postal
details?
jjphoto - 17 Feb 2007 12:29 GMT
>Hi JJ,
>There are a few who do this.
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>pd@hydrophotographics.com.au
>www.hydrophotographics.com.au
Thanks Paul
I've found a few others too.
Croydon Camera House is starting one (in Melbourne), using central.onpix
Photocentral.com.au which seems well suited to high volume events people.
Stallards.com.au who also use the onpix system but it looks like they host it
themselves so they have a different cost structure to Croydon.
I've already mentioned progalleries.com.au a Fuji service.
Trying to figure out how their cost structure works in any given situation is
like comparing mobile phone contracts, or internet plans. Maybe they could
make an episode of "Numbers" out of it. LOL. Ultimately they are all
expensive services. Photocentral.com.au is quite cheap if you are a very high
volume user, but expensive if you are a low volume user!
I had a good look at buyaphoto.com.au and although the cost structure is
extremely simple, sreamlined and cheap for the photographer it results in a
relatively expensive service for customers purchasing prints. It looks like
the customer supports the service, not the photog. Maybe that's why they have
so many photogs and newspapers on their books. This doesn't help me as I need
the print wholesale prices to be reasonably low so as to maximise my own
profit whilst still keeping the cost down to a level that the customer is
willing to pay. Wedding photogs would probably have no issue with charging
$50 for a 6x4 or 5x7 but many events folks may be reluctant to charge more
than $10 to $20 (resulting in a low profit for the photog) for the same
sized prints. Horses for courses I suppose.
I'm not really sure what I'm gonna do. Need to do the sums properly and see
how they stack up against each other.
JJ
> I'm looking for an Australian version of smugmug or printroom or similar. I
> want to be able to display and sell prints online where the site prints and
> despatches the images as well. The American site all service Australia but
> there are problems with exchange rates and high postage so I'd rather deal
> with any local equivalent.
I looked into all this about 5 weeks ago, and for now have gone with a
more manual approach.
- Gallery has order buttons, which generate a PayPal order
- PayPal handles the payment, and I get the order details
- I upload those to my preferred photo printer, who prints them
- I either pick them up, or have them mailed to me
- I package the photos, add some promotional info, and put it all in a
suitable envelope to post off
This gives me greater control over the printing (I've reprinted a few
where I wasn't thinking when sending them off to print), allows for the
promo info to be sent, keeps me in the loop so I know exactly where it's
all up to, and paypal seems quite easy & readily acceptable to my
customers. For these reasons, I don't mind the little bit of extra work
involved.
horses for courses, but this works for me - I might change my tune if my
volumes increase massively, but so far seems fine for ~20-order
(~50-photo) weeks.
jjphoto - 18 Feb 2007 07:57 GMT
>I looked into all this about 5 weeks ago, and for now have gone with a
>more manual approach.
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>- I package the photos, add some promotional info, and put it all in a
>suitable envelope to post off
Thanks Andrew. Is your site up or a work in progress. I'd love to have a look.
What software are you using to create the galleries, is it a package designed
for this?
Thanks
JJ
Andrew Hennell - 18 Feb 2007 10:51 GMT
> Thanks Andrew. Is your site up or a work in progress. I'd love to have a look.
> What software are you using to create the galleries, is it a package designed
> for this?
irfanview - customised HTML template for them, using PayPal for a
shopping cart. Those who don't want to pay online with paypal just go to
the paypal invoice, print it out & send payment in.
email me for more info if you like - remove the extra .com
jjphoto - 18 Feb 2007 11:00 GMT
>> Thanks Andrew. Is your site up or a work in progress. I'd love to have a look.
>> What software are you using to create the galleries, is it a package designed
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>email me for more info if you like - remove the extra .com
Thanks Andrew
JJ