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DJ! - 10 Feb 2007 04:27 GMT
I know how big you are on copyright provisions.

Who wrote "your" free wedding planner
(http://www.photosbydouglas.com/wed-plan.htm) that you lay copyright
to?

Feel free to cite the sources or I can do it for you.

Thanks

DJ! - OzDJ
OzDJ@clubduh.com
http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
Alan K. - 10 Feb 2007 08:33 GMT
>I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Feel free to cite the sources or I can do it for you.

Well NOW you've done it; it looks like the whole PhotosByDouglas web
site is down. (Stand by for the combined "I'm being oppressed by image
thieves and ran out of bandwidth" rant in 5-4-3-2...)

Still, at least the PBase gallery is still up. Gee, and I thought his
legal goons were going to be visiting the PBase administrators with
injunctions in one hand and brass knuckles in the other?
Annika1980 - 10 Feb 2007 17:42 GMT
> Well NOW you've done it; it looks like the whole PhotosByDouglas web
> site is down. (Stand by for the combined "I'm being oppressed by image
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> legal goons were going to be visiting the PBase administrators with
> injunctions in one hand and brass knuckles in the other?

No way D-Mac is gonna shut that pbase site down.  He's had over 3300
hits on the pbase site in just two days.  That's probably more than
his own website has gotten since it's existence.  And as D-Mac always
says, "Even bad publicity is good publicity."
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 10 Feb 2007 09:44 GMT
> I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> DJ! - OzDJ
> O...@clubduh.comhttp://blog.thedunnydoor.com

DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached?  I'd LOVE to have
a copy!

That page would be a *priceless* addition to the historical archive of
our Dougie, who accuses everyone else of theft.....  If this is true,
I think some karma just ran over Douglas' dogma.

(O;
Andrew Hennell - 10 Feb 2007 09:50 GMT
> DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached?  I'd LOVE to have
> a copy!
>
> That page would be a *priceless* addition to the historical archive of
> our Dougie, who accuses everyone else of theft.....  If this is true,
> I think some karma just ran over Douglas' dogma.

at the risk of Douglas claiming I'm breaking some laws relating to the
"Douglas Copyright Act, 1900"...

http://www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.htm
or
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ksm6s4qcYbwJ:www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.h
tm+%22Just+about+the+first+thing+you+need+to+do+on+deciding+to+marry%22&hl=en&ct
=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 10 Feb 2007 10:08 GMT
> mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote:
> > DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached?  I'd LOVE to have
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> http://www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.htm
> orhttp://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ksm6s4qcYbwJ:www.flexi.net.au/~hp...

Thanks, Andrew!  As it happens I also ran a search on Google, using
the following "wed-plan.htm photosbydouglas"  and guess what... Google
has it cached.  And it only took a few moments to see where the
original text came from...

Hmm, plagiarism?  Someone is being a bit naughty by not putting an
attribution, unless of course Douglas owns the other site network.
Given that there is no mention of Doug in their list of clients, I
think that's a little unlikely....
Annika1980 - 10 Feb 2007 19:23 GMT
On Feb 10, 5:08 am, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote:

> >http://www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.htm
> > orhttp://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ksm6s4qcYbwJ:www.flexi.net.au/~hp...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Given that there is no mention of Doug in their list of clients, I
> think that's a little unlikely....

That's no surprise.  Almost everything D-Mac accuses me of being, he
is himself.  So it is no great suprise to me to learn that he is a
thief.
DJ! - 10 Feb 2007 12:22 GMT
>> DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached?  I'd LOVE to have
>> a copy!
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>at the risk of Douglas claiming I'm breaking some laws relating to the
>"Douglas Copyright Act, 1900"...

Indeed. Google's ability to parse strings of text make it helpful to
see where Douglas finds his literary "inspiration" <cough>

<http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=%22Confirm+reception+arrangements
+especially+if+hired+goods+have+been+selected%22
>

DJ! - OzDJ
OzDJ@clubduh.com
http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
Lionel - 10 Feb 2007 12:37 GMT
>> DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached?  I'd LOVE to have
>> a copy!
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>or
>http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ksm6s4qcYbwJ:www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.h
tm+%22Just+about+the+first+thing+you+need+to+do+on+deciding+to+marry%22&hl=en&ct
=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

Jesus - that is disgraceful. /Most of us/ would contact the owner of
the original guide, give our compliments, & ask politely if we could
please copy it for our own page, with (of course) full credit to the
original author/ And would, (of course), take 'no' for an answer if
the author didn't want to share it. Sadly, there are also some
complete turds who would simply steal it - or worse - steal it, and
then put their own name on it. The latter deserve any punishment that
the legal system dishes out to them, as well as utter contempt from
those of us who earn their living creating original material.
DJ! - 10 Feb 2007 12:56 GMT
>DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached?  I'd LOVE to have
>a copy!

====
This site is undergoing a rebuild as I move it to my private network.
Full functionality will be restored before the end of February. Thank
you for your patience.
====

Hmmmmmmmm.........

The first site has gone, but he hasn't removed all traces of
professional work:

http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-plan.htm

Get those great samples and FREE wedding planning tips while you can!

DJ! - OzDJ
OzDJ@clubduh.com
http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
Rob - 11 Feb 2007 03:27 GMT
>>DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached?  I'd LOVE to have
>>a copy!
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> OzDJ@clubduh.com
> http://blog.thedunnydoor.com

Its all covered in this:

http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/privacy.htm

Privacy Statement.

During the course of doing business with our customers, we need some
personal information which enables us to fulfil our commitment to
customer satisfaction. We do not share this information with anyone... Ever.

When signing up for a Wedding package, we offer you the choice of
publicly showing your wedding photographs or keeping the gallery with
your photos in it, protected by passwords and concealed from public
viewing. You are free to give the password to anyone you wish.

From time to time we run competitions to attract customers to our web
site and provide us with 'leads'. The data you provide when you enter
one of these competitions is shared with our prize providers competition
sponsors. They will almost certainly use your information in their
promotion and marketing of whatever it is they sell... The saying; "You
get nothing for nothing" is all too true with competitions. Someone has
to pay for the prizes!

If you feel you have had your personal information misused by us, please
write to us immediately and we will rectify the situation. Mail about
abuse should be sent here.  (Abuse@douglasjames.com.au)
Pete D - 10 Feb 2007 23:47 GMT
He seems to have evaporated, you could always ring him, he has the number on
the site with the very sad photos.

>I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> OzDJ@clubduh.com
> http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
Andrew Hennell - 11 Feb 2007 00:10 GMT
> He seems to have evaporated, you could always ring him, he has the number on
> the site with the very sad photos.

I imagine he's on the phone to his lawyers (who, no doubt, would seek
payment up-front), saying "Shut it down, the whole Internet thing,
they're picking on me again.  Waaaaaaaaah!"
Pete D - 11 Feb 2007 00:39 GMT
>> He seems to have evaporated, you could always ring him, he has the number
>> on
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> payment up-front), saying "Shut it down, the whole Internet thing,
> they're picking on me again.  Waaaaaaaaah!"

He is certainly an interesting piece of work, I really think he believes he
is a great professional photographer, at least judging by the stuff he
showcases on his site, rather sad to realise that anyone can start a
business and tell evryone how good they are and actually make any money from
such mediocre rubbish.
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 03:14 GMT
> He is certainly an interesting piece of work, I really think he believes he
> is a great professional photographer, at least judging by the stuff he
> showcases on his site, rather sad to realise that anyone can start a
> business and tell evryone how good they are and actually make any money from
> such mediocre rubbish.

"Mediocre rubbish."
Maybe D-Mac will add that one to his testimonials page.

Here's the bottom line.  If you take a photo and sell it, does that
make you a Professional?  Yes, it does.
Does it say anything about the quality of the photo?  No, it does not.
People buy crap all the time.  Douglas has built a business around
that fact.
After all, he is "a sought after, Internationally recognized,
Australian qualified Photographer with over 20 years experience."

LOL!  And I'm Tiger Woods!
Pete D - 11 Feb 2007 03:36 GMT
>> He is certainly an interesting piece of work, I really think he believes
>> he
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> LOL!  And I'm Tiger Woods!

Hi Tiger, how's your Dad?
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 04:24 GMT
> > After all, he is "a sought after, Internationally recognized,
> > Australian qualified Photographer with over 20 years experience."
>
> > LOL!  And I'm Tiger Woods!
>
> Hi Tiger, how's your Dad

Still dead.
Pete D - 11 Feb 2007 06:48 GMT
>> > After all, he is "a sought after, Internationally recognized,
>> > Australian qualified Photographer with over 20 years experience."
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Still dead.

Bugger!
Biggus..... - 11 Feb 2007 04:55 GMT
>>If you take a photo and sell it, does that make you a Professional?  Yes, it does.

Since when?
Wilba - 11 Feb 2007 05:12 GMT
>>>If you take a photo and sell it, does that make you a Professional?  Yes,
>>>it does.
>
> Since when?

Since professional has had this adjectival meaning - engaging in a given
activity as a source of livelihood or as a career, e.g. "a professional
writer", and this meaning as a noun - one who earns a living in a given or
implied occupation, e.g. "hired a professional to decorate the house"
(http://www.answers.com/topic/professional). These meanings are distinct
from the meanings that relate to skill and expertise.
Mr.T - 11 Feb 2007 09:51 GMT
> >>If you take a photo and sell it, does that make you a Professional?  Yes, it does.
>
> Since when?

To be fair, one photo sale may not really make you a professional.
However someone who earns his living from wedding photography is certainly a
professional regardless of the quality of his photo's. That was the point I
think.

MrT.
Alan K. - 11 Feb 2007 05:15 GMT
>He seems to have evaporated, you could always ring him, he has the number on
>the site with the very sad photos.

Ah yes, that was one of the things that I noticed about his now
departed site. The Contact page showed a land line number ("only
during working hours, please", or something similar), and a PO Box. No
street address, no fax number, no mobile.

That's surprising for a "professional photographer". (Oh, I'm sorry,
that should be "Professional Photographer"; the incorrect
capitalisation emphasises Douggie's sense of self-importance, doncha
know.)
Andrew Hennell - 11 Feb 2007 05:27 GMT
Douglas unmasked?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/new-breed-of-cameraman/2007/02/10/1170524349
686.html


but no, this photographer has talent
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 05:35 GMT
> Ah yes, that was one of the things that I noticed about his now
> departed site. The Contact page showed a land line number ("only
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> capitalisation emphasises Douggie's sense of self-importance, doncha
> know.)

That is because D-Mac lives on a boat (named "Ryadia").
The ability to raise anchor and get away quickly is important when he
is dealing with angry brides and such.
Alan K. - 11 Feb 2007 07:54 GMT
>> Ah yes, that was one of the things that I noticed about his now
>> departed site. The Contact page showed a land line number ("only
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>That is because D-Mac lives on a boat (named "Ryadia").

Yabbut you'd expect that a "Professional Wedding Photographer" would
at least have a mobile contact number shown on their web site in the
first decade of the 21st century. It should even work over water
(close to shore) as long as you're not hiding out in a mangrove swamp
or something. Not to have one these days looks just a little, dare I
say it... unprofessional.

And then, I suppose there are all of those B&M stores that he's "sold"
over the years.

>The ability to raise anchor and get away quickly is important when he
>is dealing with angry brides and such.

Yessss... I have to say that I feel a little sorry for "Bridezilla".
Chances are that she looks better than that in real life. It really is
a truism that the camera loves some people, and hates others. I
definitely fall into the latter camp myself, regrettably, and so
(probably) does she. Still in the hands of a skilled photographer a
reasonable result can be achieved.

Ah.

Yes, I see the problem now... 8^>
Andrew Hennell - 11 Feb 2007 08:02 GMT
> Ah yes, that was one of the things that I noticed about his now
> departed site. The Contact page showed a land line number ("only
> during working hours, please", or something similar), and a PO Box. No
> street address, no fax number, no mobile.

well, he seems to have a mobile

http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=PHOTOSBYDOUGLAS.COM
------------
Registrant:
Douglas MacDonald
P.O. Box 2116
Wellington Point, Queensland 4160
Australia

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: PHOTOSBYDOUGLAS.COM
Created on: 23-Nov-05
Expires on: 24-Nov-07
Last Updated on:

Administrative Contact:
MacDonald, Douglas douglas@douglasjames.com.au
P.O. Box 2116
Wellington Point, Queensland 4160
Australia
0431423760

Technical Contact:
MacDonald, Douglas douglas@douglasjames.com.au
P.O. Box 2116
Wellington Point, Queensland 4160
Australia
0431423760
--------------
I guess that's someone else he'll have to sue for allowing people to see
his stuff!
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 03:15 GMT
> I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Thanks

I hear crickets.
Pete D - 11 Feb 2007 03:37 GMT
>> I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> I hear crickets.

Well it is that time of the year over here!! ;-)
Spoken4 - 11 Feb 2007 09:36 GMT
>>> I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Well it is that time of the year over here!! ;-)

Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of
vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has
done to warrant this level of antagonism, but on reading *some* of his
posts I think I can get an inkling.
While I think that some of the photos posted on his website are crap, I
think that maybe some of the criticism may be a tad unfair. Particularly
 the photo of the little girl taking the photo of the page-boy. If you
are shooting documentary style how much do you intervene to fix the
photo? Do you say "hold it" and remove boxes and other stuff and risk
being "in the way" and being less than invisible on the day, or do you
wear that the pics will not be anesthetically perfect?
Lionel - 11 Feb 2007 09:49 GMT
>Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of
>vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has
>done to warrant this level of antagonism, but on reading *some* of his
>posts I think I can get an inkling.

His incessant, bile-laden attacks on other - usually vastly superior -
photographers are the #1 reason.

>While I think that some of the photos posted on his website are crap, I
>think that maybe some of the criticism may be a tad unfair. Particularly
>  the photo of the little girl taking the photo of the page-boy. If you
>are shooting documentary style how much do you intervene to fix the
>photo?

FWIW, I probably would've crouched down & framed him over her left
shoulder, with enough zoom to exclude as much as possible of the
distracting stuff. And I wouldn't have used flash, either.
Alternatively, I would've skipped that shot altogether, or at least
not put it on the damn website for everyone to laugh at.
Alan K. - 11 Feb 2007 10:47 GMT
>Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of
>vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has
>done to warrant this level of antagonism, but on reading *some* of his
>posts I think I can get an inkling.
>While I think that some of the photos posted on his website are crap, I
>think that maybe some of the criticism may be a tad unfair.

This is a case of "there's the reason, then there's the REAL reason".

Some of his shots are just... awful. But then that's true of shots
that many of us take; nobody gets it right every time. (Of course, we
aren't getting PAID for them either, but that's an issue for the poor
sods who shell out money to him to deal with, not us.) The problem is
that we, unlike Doug, don't shoot our mouths off at every opportunity
about how great we are as photographers. How the reason that we put
crappy photos on our site is because there are tens of thousands of
people waiting to steal the "good" ones. How we know all there is to
know about photography and if you don't agree with us then you clearly
just don't understand [insert topic here] and you're a faggot into the
bargain. How we can create detail out of thin air when enlarging a
print using soooper-sekret algorithms that we, in our infinite genius,
have developed. We don't need to big note ourselves at every
opportunity, often using big-noting which carries more than a vague
odour of BS.

It's a pity that you didn't see his recent ad for the sale of his
calendar "business". (Which, as far as I could tell, consisted of a
binding machine and a few pages of contacts. Many of whom, I wouldn't
be surprised, would probably slam the 'phone down were they to hear
the sound "Hi, I've just bought a business from Dou...") The ad didn't
seem to be about the business, so much as being (yet another)
opportunity for Douggie to bray himself about how successful he is, at
least in his own mind.

On other occasions, he may put up comparison shots to "prove" some
point or other that he's trying to make. Then when someone points out
(and proves) that they're comprehensively rigged, starts with the
abuse (again) and tries to technobabble his way out of it in the hope
that the readership is as clueless as... well, as they'd need to be to
take his opinions seriously.

And then there's the hypocrisy. You'll find one post recently where he
bags Mark Thomas for having posted under a different handle in the
past. It's not like Douggie- Boy a.k.a. Silent Lamb a.k.a. any one of
dozens of different screen handles would ever do that. (You won't find
the post where he admitted to doing that when Mark Thomas "outed" him
under the Silent Lamb handle (he'd given no indication that it was him
prior to that), because he put an X-No Archive flag on it.
Unfortunately for those who are too spineless to stand by their words,
some of us have off-line newsreaders which have their own archive of
posts.) And why DOES he do it? Because he knows that many people in
these groups regard his credibility as being a couple of hundred feet
lower than the resting place of the Titanic, and only a handful of
people (who may not have had the D-Mac experience in the past) will
listen to him (except for entertainment purposes) if he doesn't. And
while we're on the subject of hypocrisy, just wait for the forced use
of the word "Mate" in his posts when he thinks that he's taking the
high ground ("Come on Mate, you know better than that, blah blah...")
before he has another brain fart (after realising that he's fooled no
one with his latest explanation of... whatever) and descends into the
name-calling again.

I do sometimes wonder if Douggie isn't aware, when the lights go out
at night, that quite a few of his photos... aren't all that good, and
therefore has a need to overcompensate. But then I'm not a
psychologist, and unlike (ahem), SOME people, I don't make up a
pretend one to analyse other people's postings.

Doug thinks that he's surrounded by enemies who want to steal his
photos, feel up his wife (I guano you not, he posted that about
someone recently), discredit his business and probably torpedo his
boat as well, but in reality Doug has ONE enemy, one enemy alone. And
that's his own mouth. I'm surprised that he's managed to keep it shut
today. If he does that for long enough, all of this will blow over.
But it won't last forever; he'll be back, spouting some nonsense or
other, then calling people a faggot when they call him on it and
dissect, in a comprehensive manner, the claims that he makes.

There's a book I'm reading at the moment called "In Search of
Stupidity", an examination of all of the blunders that tech companies
have committed in the past couple of decades. (Well worth a read if
you can find it.) One chapter deals with a small company which went
out of its way to provoke a much, much larger competitor company, and
got obliterated as a result. I swear, when I read it this afternoon I
thought of Our Douggie:

"It is impossible to overestimate the rank stupidity [in this case,
Doug] demonstrated in his choice of public words and attitude
vis-a-vis [in this case, the Usenet groups]. He'd committed the
strategic equivalent of walking into the cage of a hungry tiger,
turning around, taping a sirloin steak to his butt, and executing a
slow bump and grind. It should have come as no surprise that when he
left the cage he had no a.s."

And THAT, dear Spoken4, is where the Douggie-dumpage is REALLY coming
from.
Spoken4 - 11 Feb 2007 10:55 GMT
>> Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of
>> vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
> And THAT, dear Spoken4, is where the Douggie-dumpage is REALLY coming
> from.
Wow!  Well that pretty well brings me up to date. Look forward to the
continuing saga. Cheers.
kosh - 15 Feb 2007 02:02 GMT
>>> Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of
>>> vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has
[quoted text clipped - 94 lines]
> Wow!  Well that pretty well brings me up to date. Look forward to the
> continuing saga. Cheers.

oh, and Spoken4, just to give you a heads up.... there is one other
person who almost automatically receives criticism.... mainly based on
history!!!!

we are a friendly group here, but we don't suffer fools lightly.....
especially ones that ask your opinion, then ignore, and especially those
that revert to insults when they are wrong.

I should also point out there is vast amounts of knowledge in the group
as well..... and is always the case with photography, just cause you
have a camera does not always mean you know how to use it......  quite a
few hacks as well......

kosh
Spoken4 - 15 Feb 2007 08:19 GMT
>>>> Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of
>>>> vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has
[quoted text clipped - 109 lines]
>
> kosh
Thanks for a glimmer of optimism there kosh. I was starting to wonder if
the group was worth reading.
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 15:57 GMT
> "It is impossible to overestimate the rank stupidity [in this case,
> Doug] demonstrated in his choice of public words and attitude
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> slow bump and grind. It should have come as no surprise that when he
> left the cage he had no a.s."

Alan, you have summed the whole D-Mac situation up perfectly. I've
followed Douglas back since his "Ryadia" posting days when he was
claiming that shooting JPG mode produced identical (or better) results
than shooting RAW.

His screen names change more frequently than his diapers, but we can
always count on him to say something outlandish and to be 100% wrong.
I generally tolerate him as a form of amusement until he starts
calling me names like "fagot" (sic) and wishing death upon me.  Then I
turn up the volume a few notches. So if Douggie appears to be being
picked on unfairly, rest assured that the abuse is not only warranted,
he has asked for it.  He must love it or else he wouldn't keep going
back into the cage and strapping on the meat.
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 12 Feb 2007 10:58 GMT
> ((quite a lot of good stuff that i have snipped for brevity))..
> ...
> And THAT, dear Spoken4, is where the Douggie-dumpage is REALLY coming
> from.

May I just say Thanks, Alan K. for that very perceptive, astute, and
fair summary you just posted!  Well put.
googlegroups@sensation.net.au - 13 Feb 2007 16:16 GMT
> On other occasions, he may put up comparison shots to "prove" some
> point or other that he's trying to make. Then when someone points out
> (and proves) that they're comprehensively rigged, starts with the
> abuse (again) and tries to technobabble his way out of it in the hope
> that the readership is as clueless as... well, as they'd need to be to
> take his opinions seriously.

You forgot to mention that the shots get quietly deleted from his site
at the first hint of criticism...

Or in this case, his whole site gets deleted. LOL
Annika1980 - 13 Feb 2007 21:28 GMT
On Feb 13, 11:16 am, googlegro...@sensation.net.au wrote:

> You forgot to mention that the shots get quietly deleted from his site
> at the first hint of criticism...
>
> Or in this case, his whole site gets deleted. LOL

D-Mac's websites are like his sex life.
He talks a great game, but when it comes down to the moment of truth,
he just can't keep it up.
kosh - 15 Feb 2007 01:53 GMT
>>Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of
>>vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
> And THAT, dear Spoken4, is where the Douggie-dumpage is REALLY coming
> from.

Wow..... I have managed to avoid a stoush with d-mac, though have been
tempted on several occasions. I would have to say this is an extremely
comprehensive and not too heavy handed summary of what has taken us up
to now!

well done.

kosh
Avery - 11 Feb 2007 11:03 GMT
>>>> I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>being "in the way" and being less than invisible on the day, or do you
>wear that the pics will not be anesthetically perfect?

This is not directed at you Spoken4 , but I think your (assumed)
typing error "anesthetically perfect"  has quite some mileage here.
gerrit - 12 Feb 2007 01:07 GMT
> This is not directed at you Spoken4 , but I think your (assumed)
> typing error "anesthetically perfect"  has quite some mileage here.

If Spoken4 were Doug he would threaten legal action against anyone using
"anesthetically perfect" in future as breach of copywright. (Spelling
intended)

Gerrit
kosh - 15 Feb 2007 01:51 GMT
> This is not directed at you Spoken4 , but I think your (assumed)
> typing error "anesthetically perfect"  has quite some mileage here.

ROFL !!!!!

kosh
Pete D - 12 Feb 2007 08:12 GMT
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The requested URL /wed-plan.htm was not found on this server.

>I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> OzDJ@clubduh.com
> http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
DJ! - 12 Feb 2007 09:30 GMT
>Not Found
>The requested URL /wed-plan.htm was not found on this server.

This site is undergoing a rebuild. Functionality will return late in
February 2007. Thank you for your patience

DJ! - OzDJ
OzDJ@clubduh.com
http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 12 Feb 2007 09:54 GMT
> >Not Found
> >The requested URL /wed-plan.htm was not found on this server.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> DJ! - OzDJ
> O...@clubduh.comhttp://blog.thedunnydoor.com

If you are still interested, try:

http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-plan.htm

Just relocated...

That link is working currently (8:00pm Monday 12th, Qld time).  I
suspect he hasn't yet seen this thread...
Douglas MacDonald - 14 Feb 2007 03:34 GMT
:I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
: OzDJ@clubduh.com
: http://blog.thedunnydoor.com

Nicely spotted DJ. And your purpose was what?

Identify yourself and I'll tell you where to download that public domain
document.
Or would that spoil your fun?
Mr.T - 14 Feb 2007 04:02 GMT
> :I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
> :
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> document.
> Or would that spoil your fun?

Nah, I think he still wonders why you failed to acknowledge the source, and
then claim copyright to all material on your web site.
Clearly this is false by your current admission.

MrT.
Annika1980 - 14 Feb 2007 04:05 GMT
> :I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
> :
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Nicely spotted DJ. And your purpose was what?

His purpose seems clear.  He is exposing you as a thief and a fraud.
As DJ noted, you claimed copyright on that document that you pilfered
from another site.  Better watch that P.O. Box, D-Mac.  I see some
legal trouble in your future.
Douglas MacDonald - 14 Feb 2007 06:30 GMT
: > :I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
: > :
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
: from another site.  Better watch that P.O. Box, D-Mac.  I see some
: legal trouble in your future.

Oh Brettie... crawl back under your rock, will you?
Odd thing here is no one has actually ID'd the site I supposedly got this
document from. I'll tell you after you've all made idiots of yourself.

Talk about mob mentality... You really ought to get in the sheep dog trials
Bret... I've never seen a mob rounded up so fast. Not a Queensland cattle
dog's mentality in any of them.
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 14 Feb 2007 12:39 GMT
To get that page now (yes, Douglas first relocated it, but has now
removed *all* traces of it) you'll have to go to Google and enter:
cache:www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-plan.htm
as your search - more below.

> Oh Brettie... crawl back under your rock, will you?
Why?  There has been an overwhelmingly positive response from people
who have enjoyed (immensely) the ridicule you have so richly deserved,
the exposure of your horrible body of work, and the comprehensive
identification of your miserable, lamentable posting tactics.
Although I will give you credit for one thing - you are a master of
the 'strawman' argument!  You could have made much more money by
manufacturing scarecrows, I reckon..

You are full of lies, abuse, insults, strawman arguments, and
fraudulent sockpuppetry - you accuse everyone *else* of those things,
yet somehow you NEVER post quotes in context to prove it, just fantasy
ravings.  Douglas, you have got what you deserved, you sad deluded
man.  No-one will take your posts seriously in future.

Oh, and feel free to fight back - why not post all *my* images up in
the same way, Doug?  Just leave them unaltered (as it was done on
Pbase) and put my name with them, then you can add funny comments if
you like, exactly as someone (*was* it really Bret?), did.  I give you
my FULL permission to do the same to me - I'll bet Annika would do the
same.  You can pick out all those you think are my worst, you can try
to drum up support and pick them to death.  But you've already tried
this elsewhere and it just didn't work, did it?  No-one came to the
party.  Know why?

It's actually very simple.  Here's the difference:
1. I don't shoot my mouth off telling people how wonderful my work is
and how sh.t-hot a photographer I am - I let them judge that from my
work - if they like it, that's fine, if they don't, that's fine too..
2. I happily *accept* constructive, well-thought-out criticism, and I
use it to try to improve (*your* criticisms are so biased and far off
the mark, you just prove your photographic ignorance)
3. I don't rip people off by selling, or trying to sell, crap images.
4. I don't post ridiculous flawed comparisons showing things like
FZ20s defeating mf /DSLR's, 'bad exposure' from a DSLR (when the EXIF
showed operator error), and non-existent enlarging and perspective
algorithms - the list goes on and on.. and the pages were quickly
removed when the going got tough...

> Odd thing here is no one has actually ID'd the site I supposedly got this
> document from.
Why should we?  It's easy to find, and it's *your* problem.  We're
waiting for you to finish the self-incrimination.  Oh, and here's a
big hint - the fact that the original authors of this text put this
information up for 'free' is NOT the same as it being 'public domain',
you ignoramus.  That's just as *illegal* an approach to copyright as
you demonstrate here:
http://www.canvasphotos.com.au/suitable-images.htm
where you say:
"Professional Wedding and Portrait photos are most likely taken with
cameras having a high quality lens and are likely to be sharply
focused. We can scan these pictures and return very nice enlargements
with no loss of detail."
.. followed by:
"The copyright of Wedding and Portrait Photographs taken before 1999
absolutely belongs to the couple or family."

That is both false and misleading.  If a contract existed covering the
images, then the terms of that contract still apply.  The Copyright
act is very clear on this:
==== from http://www.copyright.org.au/specialinterest/G035.pdf ====
If there is an agreement about copyright between the photographer and
the client, this may state who owns copyright and what right each
person has to use the photographs. If you have such an agreement, this
is where you should look first. The provisions in the Copyright Act
will be relevant if there is no agreement, or it does not cover these
issues.
====

Read that last sentence carefully.  Or maybe show it to them hotshot
lawyers who are giving you such *great* advice...

> I'll tell you after you've all made idiots of yourself.
Us?  TELL ME DOUGLAS - WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NOW REMOVED THAT
PAGE?????  Everything else seems to be there (except your gallery,
which you have now been shamed into removing also), but

http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-plan.htm

is gone.  GUILTY???  I'm itching to hear the lame excuse.  Hmm - I
wonder if it will come back after he's run it through a thesaurus?
(O;

Anyway, as I mentioned above, anyone can still get the page - go to
Google and enter "cache:www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-
plan.htm"

Or if anyone wants a copy, email me.  (O;

> Talk about mob mentality... You really ought to get in the sheep dog trials
> Bret... I've never seen a mob rounded up so fast. Not a Queensland cattle
> dog's mentality in any of them.

Yep, *everyone's* against you, Doug.  You're batting absolutely zero,
not even one supporter.  What would a *normal* person think about
that, do you reckon, Douglas?  (By the way, the average Qld cattle dog
knows a bucketload more about digital imaging (and copywrite (sic))
than you - *my* dog was quite insulted, even tho' he is a bit of a
city slicker!)
http://www.marktphoto.com/snupy_dog.jpg
('Aw, c'mon, won't any of you play ball with me?')

Snupy supervised the post-processing of that one - I think he did
pretty well, compared to examples of yours like that classic of the
couple on the beach, with the beautiful white sky and the masterful
dodging and burning...

Anyway, have a nice day, Doug.

And if you think *I* have finished with you...  I've still got two big
aces up my sleeve, and who knows what is yet to come from Annika, and
dear Helen for that matter..

But if you acted like a human being (or just buggered off), it would
all stop...  And as for the lame-arse threats of legal action and
Pbase giving you the IP's and the FBI and ...   don't you realise
everyone is just laughing at your fantasies???
Annika1980 - 14 Feb 2007 18:50 GMT
> Talk about mob mentality... You really ought to get in the sheep dog trials
> Bret... I've never seen a mob rounded up so fast. Not a Queensland cattle
> dog's mentality in any of them.

D-Mac, have you ever stopped to realize that if everyone is against
you then the problem might be YOU?  You seem to be involved in an
ongoing struggle against the world ..... and the world is winning.

The main difference between you and me, D-Mac is this:
The world laughs WITH me. The world laughs AT you.
Sucks to be you, D-Mac.

BTW, how's that FBI investigation going?  Has the NSA been notified
yet?
BWAHAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA !!!!
Annika1980 - 14 Feb 2007 19:29 GMT
> Oh Brettie... crawl back under your rock, will you?
> Odd thing here is no one has actually ID'd the site I supposedly got this
> document from. I'll tell you after you've all made idiots of yourself.

Well at least you admit that you pilfered that document.
Admission is the first step to realizing you have a problem.
So why did you claim copyright to it on your site?  Isn't that
illegal?
Douglas MacDonald - 14 Feb 2007 21:31 GMT
: > Oh Brettie... crawl back under your rock, will you?
: > Odd thing here is no one has actually ID'd the site I supposedly got this
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
: So why did you claim copyright to it on your site?  Isn't that
: illegal?

Actually it's not illegal Bret.
Thanks to you and your slut, Mark Thomas, I've racked up a few bucks with my
lawyers lately. Might as well give it to them as waste it sending posts out
to idiots like you who can't believe I can enlarge "postcard size images
into wall posters". At least I'll get to play with you this way, mate.

I pulled off the "Wedding planner" while my lawyer's article clerk (who is
one of my wedding photography clients) re-writes it from her experiences as
a bride. I use the same copyright law as every other Australian publisher
does.

Last time I looked, The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's largest
newspaper) was copyright to the publishers even though it contains pictures
articles and advertisements that are copyright to someone else. Same deal
with New York Times and every magazine I've ever read.

Afraid you and the slut are barking up the wrong tree here mate. Why don't
the pair of go and f.ck yourselves?
Andrew Hennell - 15 Feb 2007 05:44 GMT
> Last time I looked, The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's largest
> newspaper) was copyright to the publishers even though it contains pictures
> articles and advertisements that are copyright to someone else. Same deal
> with New York Times and every magazine I've ever read.

I suggest you get a grip of reality, or if that is too complex for you,
at least the Copyright act.
Mr.T - 15 Feb 2007 06:13 GMT
> Last time I looked, The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's largest
> newspaper) was copyright to the publishers even though it contains pictures
> articles and advertisements that are copyright to someone else. Same deal
> with New York Times and every magazine I've ever read.

Last time I looked, they usually acknowledge their sources though.
Like you, they are not infallible either.

MrT.
kosh - 15 Feb 2007 21:59 GMT
>>Last time I looked, The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's largest
>>newspaper) was copyright to the publishers even though it contains
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> MrT.

why are media companie multi-million dollar companies? cause they spend
slightly less on running their companies... paying copyright royalties
etc than they earn!

not only is credit given.... payment is often made.... the only
exception is when an ametuer photographer or lucky snap-shooter are so
stoked at having a picture published they don't give a rat's a.s about
their copyright ownership.

kosh
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 15 Feb 2007 11:30 GMT
> I pulled off the "Wedding planner"
That's a very unfortunate choice of words, especially given your
recent defamatory comments about a business of that name, ABN number
included...

> while my lawyer's article clerk (who is
> one of my wedding photography clients) re-writes it from her experiences as
> a bride.

Yes, *of course* that is what happened, Doug.  It's just an
astonishing, and terribly unfortunate, *coincidence* that you made
this decision just at the time that this thread was posted...

Yes, clearly just a bit of unfortunate timing, and anyone who thinks
it is an admission of guilt - well, they would be making a very unwise
assumption...  I mean, you are a man with some credibility here, and
you have no history whatsoever of pulling pages that embarrass you!

> Afraid you and the slut are barking up the wrong tree here mate. Why don't
> the pair of go and f.ck yourselves?
Another quote for your lawyers, when you tell them how you always take
the higher ground..?  (O;
 
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