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DJ! - 10 Feb 2007 04:27 GMT I know how big you are on copyright provisions.
Who wrote "your" free wedding planner (http://www.photosbydouglas.com/wed-plan.htm) that you lay copyright to?
Feel free to cite the sources or I can do it for you.
Thanks
DJ! - OzDJ OzDJ@clubduh.com http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
Alan K. - 10 Feb 2007 08:33 GMT >I know how big you are on copyright provisions. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Feel free to cite the sources or I can do it for you. Well NOW you've done it; it looks like the whole PhotosByDouglas web site is down. (Stand by for the combined "I'm being oppressed by image thieves and ran out of bandwidth" rant in 5-4-3-2...)
Still, at least the PBase gallery is still up. Gee, and I thought his legal goons were going to be visiting the PBase administrators with injunctions in one hand and brass knuckles in the other?
Annika1980 - 10 Feb 2007 17:42 GMT > Well NOW you've done it; it looks like the whole PhotosByDouglas web > site is down. (Stand by for the combined "I'm being oppressed by image [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > legal goons were going to be visiting the PBase administrators with > injunctions in one hand and brass knuckles in the other? No way D-Mac is gonna shut that pbase site down. He's had over 3300 hits on the pbase site in just two days. That's probably more than his own website has gotten since it's existence. And as D-Mac always says, "Even bad publicity is good publicity."
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 10 Feb 2007 09:44 GMT > I know how big you are on copyright provisions. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > DJ! - OzDJ > O...@clubduh.comhttp://blog.thedunnydoor.com DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached? I'd LOVE to have a copy!
That page would be a *priceless* addition to the historical archive of our Dougie, who accuses everyone else of theft..... If this is true, I think some karma just ran over Douglas' dogma.
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Andrew Hennell - 10 Feb 2007 09:50 GMT > DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached? I'd LOVE to have > a copy! > > That page would be a *priceless* addition to the historical archive of > our Dougie, who accuses everyone else of theft..... If this is true, > I think some karma just ran over Douglas' dogma. at the risk of Douglas claiming I'm breaking some laws relating to the "Douglas Copyright Act, 1900"...
http://www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.htm or http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ksm6s4qcYbwJ:www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.h tm+%22Just+about+the+first+thing+you+need+to+do+on+deciding+to+marry%22&hl=en&ct =clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 10 Feb 2007 10:08 GMT > mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > > DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached? I'd LOVE to have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.htm > orhttp://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ksm6s4qcYbwJ:www.flexi.net.au/~hp... Thanks, Andrew! As it happens I also ran a search on Google, using the following "wed-plan.htm photosbydouglas" and guess what... Google has it cached. And it only took a few moments to see where the original text came from...
Hmm, plagiarism? Someone is being a bit naughty by not putting an attribution, unless of course Douglas owns the other site network. Given that there is no mention of Doug in their list of clients, I think that's a little unlikely....
Annika1980 - 10 Feb 2007 19:23 GMT On Feb 10, 5:08 am, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote:
> >http://www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.htm > > orhttp://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ksm6s4qcYbwJ:www.flexi.net.au/~hp... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Given that there is no mention of Doug in their list of clients, I > think that's a little unlikely.... That's no surprise. Almost everything D-Mac accuses me of being, he is himself. So it is no great suprise to me to learn that he is a thief.
DJ! - 10 Feb 2007 12:22 GMT >> DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached? I'd LOVE to have >> a copy! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >at the risk of Douglas claiming I'm breaking some laws relating to the >"Douglas Copyright Act, 1900"... Indeed. Google's ability to parse strings of text make it helpful to see where Douglas finds his literary "inspiration" <cough>
<http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=%22Confirm+reception+arrangements +especially+if+hired+goods+have+been+selected%22>
DJ! - OzDJ OzDJ@clubduh.com http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
Lionel - 10 Feb 2007 12:37 GMT >> DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached? I'd LOVE to have >> a copy! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >or >http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:ksm6s4qcYbwJ:www.flexi.net.au/~hpc/planner.h tm+%22Just+about+the+first+thing+you+need+to+do+on+deciding+to+marry%22&hl=en&ct =clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a Jesus - that is disgraceful. /Most of us/ would contact the owner of the original guide, give our compliments, & ask politely if we could please copy it for our own page, with (of course) full credit to the original author/ And would, (of course), take 'no' for an answer if the author didn't want to share it. Sadly, there are also some complete turds who would simply steal it - or worse - steal it, and then put their own name on it. The latter deserve any punishment that the legal system dishes out to them, as well as utter contempt from those of us who earn their living creating original material.
DJ! - 10 Feb 2007 12:56 GMT >DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached? I'd LOVE to have >a copy! ==== This site is undergoing a rebuild as I move it to my private network. Full functionality will be restored before the end of February. Thank you for your patience. ====
Hmmmmmmmm.........
The first site has gone, but he hasn't removed all traces of professional work:
http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-plan.htm
Get those great samples and FREE wedding planning tips while you can!
DJ! - OzDJ OzDJ@clubduh.com http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
Rob - 11 Feb 2007 03:27 GMT >>DJ - I don't suppose you have that page/text cached? I'd LOVE to have >>a copy! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > OzDJ@clubduh.com > http://blog.thedunnydoor.com Its all covered in this:
http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/privacy.htm
Privacy Statement.
During the course of doing business with our customers, we need some personal information which enables us to fulfil our commitment to customer satisfaction. We do not share this information with anyone... Ever.
When signing up for a Wedding package, we offer you the choice of publicly showing your wedding photographs or keeping the gallery with your photos in it, protected by passwords and concealed from public viewing. You are free to give the password to anyone you wish.
From time to time we run competitions to attract customers to our web site and provide us with 'leads'. The data you provide when you enter one of these competitions is shared with our prize providers competition sponsors. They will almost certainly use your information in their promotion and marketing of whatever it is they sell... The saying; "You get nothing for nothing" is all too true with competitions. Someone has to pay for the prizes!
If you feel you have had your personal information misused by us, please write to us immediately and we will rectify the situation. Mail about abuse should be sent here. (Abuse@douglasjames.com.au)
Pete D - 10 Feb 2007 23:47 GMT He seems to have evaporated, you could always ring him, he has the number on the site with the very sad photos.
>I know how big you are on copyright provisions. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > OzDJ@clubduh.com > http://blog.thedunnydoor.com Andrew Hennell - 11 Feb 2007 00:10 GMT > He seems to have evaporated, you could always ring him, he has the number on > the site with the very sad photos. I imagine he's on the phone to his lawyers (who, no doubt, would seek payment up-front), saying "Shut it down, the whole Internet thing, they're picking on me again. Waaaaaaaaah!"
Pete D - 11 Feb 2007 00:39 GMT >> He seems to have evaporated, you could always ring him, he has the number >> on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > payment up-front), saying "Shut it down, the whole Internet thing, > they're picking on me again. Waaaaaaaaah!" He is certainly an interesting piece of work, I really think he believes he is a great professional photographer, at least judging by the stuff he showcases on his site, rather sad to realise that anyone can start a business and tell evryone how good they are and actually make any money from such mediocre rubbish.
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 03:14 GMT > He is certainly an interesting piece of work, I really think he believes he > is a great professional photographer, at least judging by the stuff he > showcases on his site, rather sad to realise that anyone can start a > business and tell evryone how good they are and actually make any money from > such mediocre rubbish. "Mediocre rubbish." Maybe D-Mac will add that one to his testimonials page.
Here's the bottom line. If you take a photo and sell it, does that make you a Professional? Yes, it does. Does it say anything about the quality of the photo? No, it does not. People buy crap all the time. Douglas has built a business around that fact. After all, he is "a sought after, Internationally recognized, Australian qualified Photographer with over 20 years experience."
LOL! And I'm Tiger Woods!
Pete D - 11 Feb 2007 03:36 GMT >> He is certainly an interesting piece of work, I really think he believes >> he [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > LOL! And I'm Tiger Woods! Hi Tiger, how's your Dad?
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 04:24 GMT > > After all, he is "a sought after, Internationally recognized, > > Australian qualified Photographer with over 20 years experience." > > > LOL! And I'm Tiger Woods! > > Hi Tiger, how's your Dad Still dead.
Pete D - 11 Feb 2007 06:48 GMT >> > After all, he is "a sought after, Internationally recognized, >> > Australian qualified Photographer with over 20 years experience." [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Still dead. Bugger!
Biggus..... - 11 Feb 2007 04:55 GMT >>If you take a photo and sell it, does that make you a Professional? Yes, it does. Since when?
Wilba - 11 Feb 2007 05:12 GMT >>>If you take a photo and sell it, does that make you a Professional? Yes, >>>it does. > > Since when? Since professional has had this adjectival meaning - engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career, e.g. "a professional writer", and this meaning as a noun - one who earns a living in a given or implied occupation, e.g. "hired a professional to decorate the house" (http://www.answers.com/topic/professional). These meanings are distinct from the meanings that relate to skill and expertise.
Mr.T - 11 Feb 2007 09:51 GMT > >>If you take a photo and sell it, does that make you a Professional? Yes, it does. > > Since when? To be fair, one photo sale may not really make you a professional. However someone who earns his living from wedding photography is certainly a professional regardless of the quality of his photo's. That was the point I think.
MrT.
Alan K. - 11 Feb 2007 05:15 GMT >He seems to have evaporated, you could always ring him, he has the number on >the site with the very sad photos. Ah yes, that was one of the things that I noticed about his now departed site. The Contact page showed a land line number ("only during working hours, please", or something similar), and a PO Box. No street address, no fax number, no mobile.
That's surprising for a "professional photographer". (Oh, I'm sorry, that should be "Professional Photographer"; the incorrect capitalisation emphasises Douggie's sense of self-importance, doncha know.)
Andrew Hennell - 11 Feb 2007 05:27 GMT Douglas unmasked? http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/new-breed-of-cameraman/2007/02/10/1170524349 686.html
but no, this photographer has talent
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 05:35 GMT > Ah yes, that was one of the things that I noticed about his now > departed site. The Contact page showed a land line number ("only [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > capitalisation emphasises Douggie's sense of self-importance, doncha > know.) That is because D-Mac lives on a boat (named "Ryadia"). The ability to raise anchor and get away quickly is important when he is dealing with angry brides and such.
Alan K. - 11 Feb 2007 07:54 GMT >> Ah yes, that was one of the things that I noticed about his now >> departed site. The Contact page showed a land line number ("only [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >That is because D-Mac lives on a boat (named "Ryadia"). Yabbut you'd expect that a "Professional Wedding Photographer" would at least have a mobile contact number shown on their web site in the first decade of the 21st century. It should even work over water (close to shore) as long as you're not hiding out in a mangrove swamp or something. Not to have one these days looks just a little, dare I say it... unprofessional.
And then, I suppose there are all of those B&M stores that he's "sold" over the years.
>The ability to raise anchor and get away quickly is important when he >is dealing with angry brides and such. Yessss... I have to say that I feel a little sorry for "Bridezilla". Chances are that she looks better than that in real life. It really is a truism that the camera loves some people, and hates others. I definitely fall into the latter camp myself, regrettably, and so (probably) does she. Still in the hands of a skilled photographer a reasonable result can be achieved.
Ah.
Yes, I see the problem now... 8^>
Andrew Hennell - 11 Feb 2007 08:02 GMT > Ah yes, that was one of the things that I noticed about his now > departed site. The Contact page showed a land line number ("only > during working hours, please", or something similar), and a PO Box. No > street address, no fax number, no mobile. well, he seems to have a mobile
http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?Domain=PHOTOSBYDOUGLAS.COM ------------ Registrant: Douglas MacDonald P.O. Box 2116 Wellington Point, Queensland 4160 Australia
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: PHOTOSBYDOUGLAS.COM Created on: 23-Nov-05 Expires on: 24-Nov-07 Last Updated on:
Administrative Contact: MacDonald, Douglas douglas@douglasjames.com.au P.O. Box 2116 Wellington Point, Queensland 4160 Australia 0431423760
Technical Contact: MacDonald, Douglas douglas@douglasjames.com.au P.O. Box 2116 Wellington Point, Queensland 4160 Australia 0431423760 -------------- I guess that's someone else he'll have to sue for allowing people to see his stuff!
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 03:15 GMT > I know how big you are on copyright provisions. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks I hear crickets.
Pete D - 11 Feb 2007 03:37 GMT >> I know how big you are on copyright provisions. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I hear crickets. Well it is that time of the year over here!! ;-)
Spoken4 - 11 Feb 2007 09:36 GMT >>> I know how big you are on copyright provisions. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Well it is that time of the year over here!! ;-) Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has done to warrant this level of antagonism, but on reading *some* of his posts I think I can get an inkling. While I think that some of the photos posted on his website are crap, I think that maybe some of the criticism may be a tad unfair. Particularly the photo of the little girl taking the photo of the page-boy. If you are shooting documentary style how much do you intervene to fix the photo? Do you say "hold it" and remove boxes and other stuff and risk being "in the way" and being less than invisible on the day, or do you wear that the pics will not be anesthetically perfect?
Lionel - 11 Feb 2007 09:49 GMT >Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of >vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has >done to warrant this level of antagonism, but on reading *some* of his >posts I think I can get an inkling. His incessant, bile-laden attacks on other - usually vastly superior - photographers are the #1 reason.
>While I think that some of the photos posted on his website are crap, I >think that maybe some of the criticism may be a tad unfair. Particularly > the photo of the little girl taking the photo of the page-boy. If you >are shooting documentary style how much do you intervene to fix the >photo? FWIW, I probably would've crouched down & framed him over her left shoulder, with enough zoom to exclude as much as possible of the distracting stuff. And I wouldn't have used flash, either. Alternatively, I would've skipped that shot altogether, or at least not put it on the damn website for everyone to laugh at.
Alan K. - 11 Feb 2007 10:47 GMT >Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of >vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has >done to warrant this level of antagonism, but on reading *some* of his >posts I think I can get an inkling. >While I think that some of the photos posted on his website are crap, I >think that maybe some of the criticism may be a tad unfair. This is a case of "there's the reason, then there's the REAL reason".
Some of his shots are just... awful. But then that's true of shots that many of us take; nobody gets it right every time. (Of course, we aren't getting PAID for them either, but that's an issue for the poor sods who shell out money to him to deal with, not us.) The problem is that we, unlike Doug, don't shoot our mouths off at every opportunity about how great we are as photographers. How the reason that we put crappy photos on our site is because there are tens of thousands of people waiting to steal the "good" ones. How we know all there is to know about photography and if you don't agree with us then you clearly just don't understand [insert topic here] and you're a faggot into the bargain. How we can create detail out of thin air when enlarging a print using soooper-sekret algorithms that we, in our infinite genius, have developed. We don't need to big note ourselves at every opportunity, often using big-noting which carries more than a vague odour of BS.
It's a pity that you didn't see his recent ad for the sale of his calendar "business". (Which, as far as I could tell, consisted of a binding machine and a few pages of contacts. Many of whom, I wouldn't be surprised, would probably slam the 'phone down were they to hear the sound "Hi, I've just bought a business from Dou...") The ad didn't seem to be about the business, so much as being (yet another) opportunity for Douggie to bray himself about how successful he is, at least in his own mind.
On other occasions, he may put up comparison shots to "prove" some point or other that he's trying to make. Then when someone points out (and proves) that they're comprehensively rigged, starts with the abuse (again) and tries to technobabble his way out of it in the hope that the readership is as clueless as... well, as they'd need to be to take his opinions seriously.
And then there's the hypocrisy. You'll find one post recently where he bags Mark Thomas for having posted under a different handle in the past. It's not like Douggie- Boy a.k.a. Silent Lamb a.k.a. any one of dozens of different screen handles would ever do that. (You won't find the post where he admitted to doing that when Mark Thomas "outed" him under the Silent Lamb handle (he'd given no indication that it was him prior to that), because he put an X-No Archive flag on it. Unfortunately for those who are too spineless to stand by their words, some of us have off-line newsreaders which have their own archive of posts.) And why DOES he do it? Because he knows that many people in these groups regard his credibility as being a couple of hundred feet lower than the resting place of the Titanic, and only a handful of people (who may not have had the D-Mac experience in the past) will listen to him (except for entertainment purposes) if he doesn't. And while we're on the subject of hypocrisy, just wait for the forced use of the word "Mate" in his posts when he thinks that he's taking the high ground ("Come on Mate, you know better than that, blah blah...") before he has another brain fart (after realising that he's fooled no one with his latest explanation of... whatever) and descends into the name-calling again.
I do sometimes wonder if Douggie isn't aware, when the lights go out at night, that quite a few of his photos... aren't all that good, and therefore has a need to overcompensate. But then I'm not a psychologist, and unlike (ahem), SOME people, I don't make up a pretend one to analyse other people's postings.
Doug thinks that he's surrounded by enemies who want to steal his photos, feel up his wife (I guano you not, he posted that about someone recently), discredit his business and probably torpedo his boat as well, but in reality Doug has ONE enemy, one enemy alone. And that's his own mouth. I'm surprised that he's managed to keep it shut today. If he does that for long enough, all of this will blow over. But it won't last forever; he'll be back, spouting some nonsense or other, then calling people a faggot when they call him on it and dissect, in a comprehensive manner, the claims that he makes.
There's a book I'm reading at the moment called "In Search of Stupidity", an examination of all of the blunders that tech companies have committed in the past couple of decades. (Well worth a read if you can find it.) One chapter deals with a small company which went out of its way to provoke a much, much larger competitor company, and got obliterated as a result. I swear, when I read it this afternoon I thought of Our Douggie:
"It is impossible to overestimate the rank stupidity [in this case, Doug] demonstrated in his choice of public words and attitude vis-a-vis [in this case, the Usenet groups]. He'd committed the strategic equivalent of walking into the cage of a hungry tiger, turning around, taping a sirloin steak to his butt, and executing a slow bump and grind. It should have come as no surprise that when he left the cage he had no a.s."
And THAT, dear Spoken4, is where the Douggie-dumpage is REALLY coming from.
Spoken4 - 11 Feb 2007 10:55 GMT >> Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of >> vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > And THAT, dear Spoken4, is where the Douggie-dumpage is REALLY coming > from. Wow! Well that pretty well brings me up to date. Look forward to the continuing saga. Cheers.
kosh - 15 Feb 2007 02:02 GMT >>> Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of >>> vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > Wow! Well that pretty well brings me up to date. Look forward to the > continuing saga. Cheers. oh, and Spoken4, just to give you a heads up.... there is one other person who almost automatically receives criticism.... mainly based on history!!!!
we are a friendly group here, but we don't suffer fools lightly..... especially ones that ask your opinion, then ignore, and especially those that revert to insults when they are wrong.
I should also point out there is vast amounts of knowledge in the group as well..... and is always the case with photography, just cause you have a camera does not always mean you know how to use it...... quite a few hacks as well......
kosh
Spoken4 - 15 Feb 2007 08:19 GMT >>>> Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of >>>> vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > > kosh Thanks for a glimmer of optimism there kosh. I was starting to wonder if the group was worth reading.
Annika1980 - 11 Feb 2007 15:57 GMT > "It is impossible to overestimate the rank stupidity [in this case, > Doug] demonstrated in his choice of public words and attitude [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > slow bump and grind. It should have come as no surprise that when he > left the cage he had no a.s." Alan, you have summed the whole D-Mac situation up perfectly. I've followed Douglas back since his "Ryadia" posting days when he was claiming that shooting JPG mode produced identical (or better) results than shooting RAW.
His screen names change more frequently than his diapers, but we can always count on him to say something outlandish and to be 100% wrong. I generally tolerate him as a form of amusement until he starts calling me names like "fagot" (sic) and wishing death upon me. Then I turn up the volume a few notches. So if Douggie appears to be being picked on unfairly, rest assured that the abuse is not only warranted, he has asked for it. He must love it or else he wouldn't keep going back into the cage and strapping on the meat.
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 12 Feb 2007 10:58 GMT > ((quite a lot of good stuff that i have snipped for brevity)).. > ... > And THAT, dear Spoken4, is where the Douggie-dumpage is REALLY coming > from. May I just say Thanks, Alan K. for that very perceptive, astute, and fair summary you just posted! Well put.
googlegroups@sensation.net.au - 13 Feb 2007 16:16 GMT > On other occasions, he may put up comparison shots to "prove" some > point or other that he's trying to make. Then when someone points out > (and proves) that they're comprehensively rigged, starts with the > abuse (again) and tries to technobabble his way out of it in the hope > that the readership is as clueless as... well, as they'd need to be to > take his opinions seriously. You forgot to mention that the shots get quietly deleted from his site at the first hint of criticism...
Or in this case, his whole site gets deleted. LOL
Annika1980 - 13 Feb 2007 21:28 GMT On Feb 13, 11:16 am, googlegro...@sensation.net.au wrote:
> You forgot to mention that the shots get quietly deleted from his site > at the first hint of criticism... > > Or in this case, his whole site gets deleted. LOL D-Mac's websites are like his sex life. He talks a great game, but when it comes down to the moment of truth, he just can't keep it up.
kosh - 15 Feb 2007 01:53 GMT >>Just having started to read this group, I am amazed at the level of >>vitriol directed at this douglas character. I don't know what he has [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > And THAT, dear Spoken4, is where the Douggie-dumpage is REALLY coming > from. Wow..... I have managed to avoid a stoush with d-mac, though have been tempted on several occasions. I would have to say this is an extremely comprehensive and not too heavy handed summary of what has taken us up to now!
well done.
kosh
Avery - 11 Feb 2007 11:03 GMT >>>> I know how big you are on copyright provisions. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >being "in the way" and being less than invisible on the day, or do you >wear that the pics will not be anesthetically perfect? This is not directed at you Spoken4 , but I think your (assumed) typing error "anesthetically perfect" has quite some mileage here.
gerrit - 12 Feb 2007 01:07 GMT > This is not directed at you Spoken4 , but I think your (assumed) > typing error "anesthetically perfect" has quite some mileage here. If Spoken4 were Doug he would threaten legal action against anyone using "anesthetically perfect" in future as breach of copywright. (Spelling intended)
Gerrit
kosh - 15 Feb 2007 01:51 GMT > This is not directed at you Spoken4 , but I think your (assumed) > typing error "anesthetically perfect" has quite some mileage here. ROFL !!!!!
kosh
Pete D - 12 Feb 2007 08:12 GMT Not Found The requested URL /wed-plan.htm was not found on this server.
>I know how big you are on copyright provisions. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > OzDJ@clubduh.com > http://blog.thedunnydoor.com DJ! - 12 Feb 2007 09:30 GMT >Not Found >The requested URL /wed-plan.htm was not found on this server. This site is undergoing a rebuild. Functionality will return late in February 2007. Thank you for your patience
DJ! - OzDJ OzDJ@clubduh.com http://blog.thedunnydoor.com
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 12 Feb 2007 09:54 GMT > >Not Found > >The requested URL /wed-plan.htm was not found on this server. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > DJ! - OzDJ > O...@clubduh.comhttp://blog.thedunnydoor.com If you are still interested, try:
http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-plan.htm
Just relocated...
That link is working currently (8:00pm Monday 12th, Qld time). I suspect he hasn't yet seen this thread...
Douglas MacDonald - 14 Feb 2007 03:34 GMT :I know how big you are on copyright provisions. : [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] : OzDJ@clubduh.com : http://blog.thedunnydoor.com Nicely spotted DJ. And your purpose was what?
Identify yourself and I'll tell you where to download that public domain document. Or would that spoil your fun?
Mr.T - 14 Feb 2007 04:02 GMT > :I know how big you are on copyright provisions. > : [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > document. > Or would that spoil your fun? Nah, I think he still wonders why you failed to acknowledge the source, and then claim copyright to all material on your web site. Clearly this is false by your current admission.
MrT.
Annika1980 - 14 Feb 2007 04:05 GMT > :I know how big you are on copyright provisions. > : [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Nicely spotted DJ. And your purpose was what? His purpose seems clear. He is exposing you as a thief and a fraud. As DJ noted, you claimed copyright on that document that you pilfered from another site. Better watch that P.O. Box, D-Mac. I see some legal trouble in your future.
Douglas MacDonald - 14 Feb 2007 06:30 GMT : > :I know how big you are on copyright provisions. : > : [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] : from another site. Better watch that P.O. Box, D-Mac. I see some : legal trouble in your future. Oh Brettie... crawl back under your rock, will you? Odd thing here is no one has actually ID'd the site I supposedly got this document from. I'll tell you after you've all made idiots of yourself.
Talk about mob mentality... You really ought to get in the sheep dog trials Bret... I've never seen a mob rounded up so fast. Not a Queensland cattle dog's mentality in any of them.
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 14 Feb 2007 12:39 GMT To get that page now (yes, Douglas first relocated it, but has now removed *all* traces of it) you'll have to go to Google and enter: cache:www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-plan.htm as your search - more below.
> Oh Brettie... crawl back under your rock, will you? Why? There has been an overwhelmingly positive response from people who have enjoyed (immensely) the ridicule you have so richly deserved, the exposure of your horrible body of work, and the comprehensive identification of your miserable, lamentable posting tactics. Although I will give you credit for one thing - you are a master of the 'strawman' argument! You could have made much more money by manufacturing scarecrows, I reckon..
You are full of lies, abuse, insults, strawman arguments, and fraudulent sockpuppetry - you accuse everyone *else* of those things, yet somehow you NEVER post quotes in context to prove it, just fantasy ravings. Douglas, you have got what you deserved, you sad deluded man. No-one will take your posts seriously in future.
Oh, and feel free to fight back - why not post all *my* images up in the same way, Doug? Just leave them unaltered (as it was done on Pbase) and put my name with them, then you can add funny comments if you like, exactly as someone (*was* it really Bret?), did. I give you my FULL permission to do the same to me - I'll bet Annika would do the same. You can pick out all those you think are my worst, you can try to drum up support and pick them to death. But you've already tried this elsewhere and it just didn't work, did it? No-one came to the party. Know why?
It's actually very simple. Here's the difference: 1. I don't shoot my mouth off telling people how wonderful my work is and how sh.t-hot a photographer I am - I let them judge that from my work - if they like it, that's fine, if they don't, that's fine too.. 2. I happily *accept* constructive, well-thought-out criticism, and I use it to try to improve (*your* criticisms are so biased and far off the mark, you just prove your photographic ignorance) 3. I don't rip people off by selling, or trying to sell, crap images. 4. I don't post ridiculous flawed comparisons showing things like FZ20s defeating mf /DSLR's, 'bad exposure' from a DSLR (when the EXIF showed operator error), and non-existent enlarging and perspective algorithms - the list goes on and on.. and the pages were quickly removed when the going got tough...
> Odd thing here is no one has actually ID'd the site I supposedly got this > document from. Why should we? It's easy to find, and it's *your* problem. We're waiting for you to finish the self-incrimination. Oh, and here's a big hint - the fact that the original authors of this text put this information up for 'free' is NOT the same as it being 'public domain', you ignoramus. That's just as *illegal* an approach to copyright as you demonstrate here: http://www.canvasphotos.com.au/suitable-images.htm where you say: "Professional Wedding and Portrait photos are most likely taken with cameras having a high quality lens and are likely to be sharply focused. We can scan these pictures and return very nice enlargements with no loss of detail." .. followed by: "The copyright of Wedding and Portrait Photographs taken before 1999 absolutely belongs to the couple or family."
That is both false and misleading. If a contract existed covering the images, then the terms of that contract still apply. The Copyright act is very clear on this: ==== from http://www.copyright.org.au/specialinterest/G035.pdf ==== If there is an agreement about copyright between the photographer and the client, this may state who owns copyright and what right each person has to use the photographs. If you have such an agreement, this is where you should look first. The provisions in the Copyright Act will be relevant if there is no agreement, or it does not cover these issues. ====
Read that last sentence carefully. Or maybe show it to them hotshot lawyers who are giving you such *great* advice...
> I'll tell you after you've all made idiots of yourself. Us? TELL ME DOUGLAS - WHY IS IT THAT YOU HAVE NOW REMOVED THAT PAGE????? Everything else seems to be there (except your gallery, which you have now been shamed into removing also), but
http://www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed-plan.htm
is gone. GUILTY??? I'm itching to hear the lame excuse. Hmm - I wonder if it will come back after he's run it through a thesaurus? (O;
Anyway, as I mentioned above, anyone can still get the page - go to Google and enter "cache:www.brisbaneweddingphotographers.com/wed- plan.htm"
Or if anyone wants a copy, email me. (O;
> Talk about mob mentality... You really ought to get in the sheep dog trials > Bret... I've never seen a mob rounded up so fast. Not a Queensland cattle > dog's mentality in any of them. Yep, *everyone's* against you, Doug. You're batting absolutely zero, not even one supporter. What would a *normal* person think about that, do you reckon, Douglas? (By the way, the average Qld cattle dog knows a bucketload more about digital imaging (and copywrite (sic)) than you - *my* dog was quite insulted, even tho' he is a bit of a city slicker!) http://www.marktphoto.com/snupy_dog.jpg ('Aw, c'mon, won't any of you play ball with me?')
Snupy supervised the post-processing of that one - I think he did pretty well, compared to examples of yours like that classic of the couple on the beach, with the beautiful white sky and the masterful dodging and burning...
Anyway, have a nice day, Doug.
And if you think *I* have finished with you... I've still got two big aces up my sleeve, and who knows what is yet to come from Annika, and dear Helen for that matter..
But if you acted like a human being (or just buggered off), it would all stop... And as for the lame-arse threats of legal action and Pbase giving you the IP's and the FBI and ... don't you realise everyone is just laughing at your fantasies???
Annika1980 - 14 Feb 2007 18:50 GMT > Talk about mob mentality... You really ought to get in the sheep dog trials > Bret... I've never seen a mob rounded up so fast. Not a Queensland cattle > dog's mentality in any of them. D-Mac, have you ever stopped to realize that if everyone is against you then the problem might be YOU? You seem to be involved in an ongoing struggle against the world ..... and the world is winning.
The main difference between you and me, D-Mac is this: The world laughs WITH me. The world laughs AT you. Sucks to be you, D-Mac.
BTW, how's that FBI investigation going? Has the NSA been notified yet? BWAHAHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA !!!!
Annika1980 - 14 Feb 2007 19:29 GMT > Oh Brettie... crawl back under your rock, will you? > Odd thing here is no one has actually ID'd the site I supposedly got this > document from. I'll tell you after you've all made idiots of yourself. Well at least you admit that you pilfered that document. Admission is the first step to realizing you have a problem. So why did you claim copyright to it on your site? Isn't that illegal?
Douglas MacDonald - 14 Feb 2007 21:31 GMT : > Oh Brettie... crawl back under your rock, will you? : > Odd thing here is no one has actually ID'd the site I supposedly got this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : So why did you claim copyright to it on your site? Isn't that : illegal? Actually it's not illegal Bret. Thanks to you and your slut, Mark Thomas, I've racked up a few bucks with my lawyers lately. Might as well give it to them as waste it sending posts out to idiots like you who can't believe I can enlarge "postcard size images into wall posters". At least I'll get to play with you this way, mate.
I pulled off the "Wedding planner" while my lawyer's article clerk (who is one of my wedding photography clients) re-writes it from her experiences as a bride. I use the same copyright law as every other Australian publisher does.
Last time I looked, The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's largest newspaper) was copyright to the publishers even though it contains pictures articles and advertisements that are copyright to someone else. Same deal with New York Times and every magazine I've ever read.
Afraid you and the slut are barking up the wrong tree here mate. Why don't the pair of go and f.ck yourselves?
Andrew Hennell - 15 Feb 2007 05:44 GMT > Last time I looked, The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's largest > newspaper) was copyright to the publishers even though it contains pictures > articles and advertisements that are copyright to someone else. Same deal > with New York Times and every magazine I've ever read. I suggest you get a grip of reality, or if that is too complex for you, at least the Copyright act.
Mr.T - 15 Feb 2007 06:13 GMT > Last time I looked, The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's largest > newspaper) was copyright to the publishers even though it contains pictures > articles and advertisements that are copyright to someone else. Same deal > with New York Times and every magazine I've ever read. Last time I looked, they usually acknowledge their sources though. Like you, they are not infallible either.
MrT.
kosh - 15 Feb 2007 21:59 GMT >>Last time I looked, The Sydney Morning Herald (Australia's largest >>newspaper) was copyright to the publishers even though it contains [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > MrT. why are media companie multi-million dollar companies? cause they spend slightly less on running their companies... paying copyright royalties etc than they earn!
not only is credit given.... payment is often made.... the only exception is when an ametuer photographer or lucky snap-shooter are so stoked at having a picture published they don't give a rat's a.s about their copyright ownership.
kosh
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 15 Feb 2007 11:30 GMT > I pulled off the "Wedding planner" That's a very unfortunate choice of words, especially given your recent defamatory comments about a business of that name, ABN number included...
> while my lawyer's article clerk (who is > one of my wedding photography clients) re-writes it from her experiences as > a bride. Yes, *of course* that is what happened, Doug. It's just an astonishing, and terribly unfortunate, *coincidence* that you made this decision just at the time that this thread was posted...
Yes, clearly just a bit of unfortunate timing, and anyone who thinks it is an admission of guilt - well, they would be making a very unwise assumption... I mean, you are a man with some credibility here, and you have no history whatsoever of pulling pages that embarrass you!
> Afraid you and the slut are barking up the wrong tree here mate. Why don't > the pair of go and f.ck yourselves? Another quote for your lawyers, when you tell them how you always take the higher ground..? (O;
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