I am starting to think about long term storage for my digital photos.
Boxes of prints and slides last almost forever, but a failed DVD can
lose everything on it.
Are there brands of DVD that are more robust than the generic ones you
buy for a dollar each?
Thanks
David
Chris - 04 Jan 2007 16:19 GMT
While searching for print media I came across this site:
http://www.imagescience.com.au/CD_DVD/cddvdHome.html
How good this brand of media is I cannot vouch for as i havn't used them
before.
In terms of DVD being a reliable long term storage I would never rely on
them especially from experience. A company I work for routinely backs all
images after a photoshoot and then again after they been worked on into
DVDs. A situation arose where all the previous years work become
inaccessable/corrupted on the file server and were forced to using the DVDs
to restore the files. Only problem is many of them had tiny scratches, a few
looked like the dye had deteriorated and several files were permanently lost
on a number of Discs. Since then they have resulted to using high capacity
external drives.
> I am starting to think about long term storage for my digital photos.
> Boxes of prints and slides last almost forever, but a failed DVD can
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> David
googlegroups@sensation.net.au - 04 Jan 2007 20:21 GMT
> I am starting to think about long term storage for my digital photos.
> Boxes of prints and slides last almost forever, but a failed DVD can
> lose everything on it.
>
> Are there brands of DVD that are more robust than the generic ones you
> buy for a dollar each?
If you go the DVD route then I would recommend you try to source DVDs
from two unique OEMs (not just the same OEM with different branding).
That way if you run into a bad batch there is less chance of losing
your data, as you have a duplicate on the other brand of DVD. For extra
redundancy duplicate the lot again and store one set of brand A and
brand B onsite, the other set offsite.
I've been thinking about using HDs myself, as they will be less bulky
than a stack of DVDs. I expect my collection of digital photographs
will approach 500Gb by the end of this year so managing 200+ DVDs
(including duplicates) would be difficult. I would use at least two HDs
with identical content stored at different locations, and choose a
maximum reliable lifetime before they're unconditionally replaced. The
data would also be stored on my main PC for further redundancy.
Poxy - 04 Jan 2007 23:37 GMT
> I am starting to think about long term storage for my digital photos.
> Boxes of prints and slides last almost forever, but a failed DVD can
> lose everything on it.
>
> Are there brands of DVD that are more robust than the generic ones you
> buy for a dollar each?
I've heard that Taiyo Yuden are meant to be the ducks guts in DVD-R's. This
bunch flog them:
http://www.jpldisplays.com.au
I've only been using them for a few months, so couldn't really say whether
the claims of superior quality are justified.
k - 05 Jan 2007 15:15 GMT
| I am starting to think about long term storage for my digital photos.
| Boxes of prints and slides last almost forever, but a failed DVD can
| lose everything on it.
|
| Are there brands of DVD that are more robust than the generic ones you
| buy for a dollar each?
from:
<http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article1325-mode=thread-order0-threshold0.pht
ml>
A new DVD defect management study, conducted by Media Sciences, and
sponsored by the RAM Promotion Group (RAMPRG), reveals that DVD-RAM drives
provide the most robust, drive-based defect management among currently
available recordable DVD formats. An optional protective cartridge offers
even greater protection and reliability for DVD-RAM.
..but hard drives are cheaper
or test the media with kprobe:
from http://www.cdrlabs.com/kprobe/index.php
(2.1Mb download)
allows you to test dvd's by looking at the errors on the disks.
the outcomes and experiences have been listed here:
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia
princo AND TDK DVD's (and others) scored a GOOD rating, interestingly there
are substantially more user comments, most very good, on Princo than the
nest nearest commented upon brand.. 297 V 74 comments
seems that the reviewers also get to state how many disks they've burned
too - some of the reviewers have burnt a mere _single_ disk on which
they've based their reports - the Princo brigade however all seem to have
burnt 25, 100, 50 etc .
I think the *best* way to resolve this is to check the error count on the
various disks available and then treat the results as a guide*. As is
stated there, compatibility is NOT a good guide to reliability, only the
error count gives a true indication of fallibility.
*as with film, every batch is different and because one review says their
lot tested good doesn't mean the batch I buy tomorrow are also going to be
as good
and http://www.dvdinfopro.com/
DVDINFOProT by Nic Wilson is a DVD information program written in Visual
C++ for Windows 95, 98, 98SE, ME, NT, 2000, XP.The program provides
information & tools for
DVD-R/RW
DVD+R/RW burners
DVD+R DL (Double Layer) burners
DVD-ROM players.
It also provides information on CD players & burners.
"I get a lot of emails asking me how I produce my media test graphs and
where do I find the drives and media information.
Well the answer is DVDInfoPro produced by Nic Wilson
This program provides me with all the drive information, media information
and also produces all the graphs & charts I need to carry out my reviews.
"
http://www.dvd-recordable.org/wwwimgs/media/flash/dvdinfopro/dvdinfoproadver
t.zip
Free Version with embedded adverts 1.59meg.
www.DVDrecordable.org - another good site for reviews on optical media and
drives
hope this helps
k
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 08 Jan 2007 12:09 GMT
...
> http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia
> princo AND TDK DVD's (and others) scored a GOOD rating, interestingly there
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> they've based their reports - the Princo brigade however all seem to have
> burnt 25, 100, 50 etc .
Couldn't help but chuckle when I saw this.. Recently I went through a
large number of old CD's (no, not DVD's, I know) to see which were
still usable after a few years.
And there was only one brand that had more than one failure - EVERY one
of my Princo CD's (5) had lost either some or *all* data. Of the other
50-odd disks I checked, another 3 were faulty, but they were no-name
generics. Perhaps the Princos were all from a defective batch - they
had all discoloured horribly - but they had all been stored in their
covers in a normal household environment. Thankfully nothing terribly
important lost, just some audio and image collections that were backed
up elsewhere - but I won't go near that brand again.
Mr.T - 09 Jan 2007 07:39 GMT
> Couldn't help but chuckle when I saw this.. Recently I went through a
> large number of old CD's (no, not DVD's, I know) to see which were
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> important lost, just some audio and image collections that were backed
> up elsewhere - but I won't go near that brand again.
Yes I chuckled too. Princo CD's were considered crap, and my experience with
their early DVD's was just the same. They may have improved, but I'm sure
not going to find out.
MrT.
k - 12 Jan 2007 03:06 GMT
"Mr.T
| Yes I chuckled too. Princo CD's were considered crap, and my experience with
| their early DVD's was just the same. They may have improved, but I'm sure
| not going to find out.
I was furious with princo some years back after spending a reasonable sum
and buying a bunch of DVD-RW of which EVERY one failed at burn and none were
able to be recovered. rewrite my a.s! Later burners were all pointed at
the disks on the off chance it was a burner issue - all failed to render
them in the least bit useful so I have approximately 50 coasters - hence the
fury
Later buying a bunch of 10,000 DVD-R's I somehow scored 500 Princo DVD-R's
in the order and with no expectations ran a number of them through the tests
only to discover they were *quite* different from the earlier efforts from
Princo. That was some 3 years back now and *all* those disks still perform
nicely :)
seems the burner contributes a fair degree too to the write success and data
failure rate (not a great surprise) - have a peek here half way down :
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=96901
not that the original article author has anything nice to say of them, but a
later reviewer comments that one burner he has shows a fair error rate after
a short span of time while another burner had a very different error rate.
not that this relates to your experience buying princo cd's - which I have
no experience with given they are crap.
why on earth would you have bought them? or anything that uses cyanine
dyes..
k
kosh - 12 Jan 2007 04:40 GMT
> "Mr.T
>
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>
> k
just on the side.... I got a set of pricos.... absolute crap... and this
was ona brand new burner which has not missed a beat since.
kosh
oh... and sometimes I can't be bothered writing KOSH in the signature...
just 'k' - no offence meant to fellafel@ping.com
kosh
k - 12 Jan 2007 16:19 GMT
| oh... and sometimes I can't be bothered writing KOSH in the signature...
| just 'k' - no offence meant to fellafel@ping.com
none taken!
I can't be bothered writing Karl is why I go for k
;)
k
Mr.T - 12 Jan 2007 06:57 GMT
> why on earth would you have bought them? or anything that uses cyanine
> dyes..
For Audio disks, I usually tried both types in a player for compatibility.
Some players preferred cyanine disks.
However I never said I ever used Princo CD's, what I said was they "were
considered crap".
My first box of 10 DVD's were Princo's simply because they were all I could
get at the time. (this was years ago) I haven't used them since.
And yes some burners don't like any disks, then there are disks that don't
like any burners!.
MrT.
kosh - 05 Jan 2007 23:14 GMT
> I am starting to think about long term storage for my digital photos.
> Boxes of prints and slides last almost forever, but a failed DVD can
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>
> David
I saw a full review of dvd blank media in PC user.
a point to note was that it was their second full review.... in that
time many had changed their standards.
If I recalll correctly they raved about TDK the first time round, but
found they had changed their supplier, and the second round of tests
turned to crap for TDK.
the moral of the story.... burn many, print lots on proper phtoo
paper... non of this dye-sub crap (kodak kiosks)
kosh
David Morrison - 06 Jan 2007 02:03 GMT
In article
<davidmor-A3280F.00564505012007@eth00.pnews.internode.on.net>,
> I am starting to think about long term storage for my digital photos.
> Boxes of prints and slides last almost forever, but a failed DVD can
> lose everything on it.
>
> Are there brands of DVD that are more robust than the generic ones you
> buy for a dollar each?
A photographer friend mentioned that he is using "armour plated" DVDs
which are apparently toughened so that they don't suffer so much from
physical damage. I saw some "scratch resistant" DVDs in OfficeWorks
yesterday, made by Imation and TDK. Wonder if they are the same ones?
He is also looking at using DVDs made with gold as this is less prone to
corrosion than the aluminium on most DVDs.
Cheers
David
k - 06 Jan 2007 03:45 GMT
"David Morrison
A photographer friend mentioned that he is using "armour plated" DVDs
which are apparently toughened so that they don't suffer so much from
physical damage. I saw some "scratch resistant" DVDs in OfficeWorks
yesterday, made by Imation and TDK. Wonder if they are the same ones?
| He is also looking at using DVDs made with gold as this is less prone to
| corrosion than the aluminium on most DVDs.
DVD's unlike CD's are laminated and thus inherently safer than CD's as the
dye and reflective layer are protected by an additional polycarbonate layer
and thus already 'armored'. they're also supposedly sealed at the edges
(inner and outer) with adhesive to prevent moisture and air getting in and
attacking the reflective layer. GOld really wont increase stability if the
edges are well sealed. If you check each dvd you intend to burn and find
the edges are NOT well sealed you can seal them yourself with nailpolish -
allow it to dry and you've got as good a DVD as you can ask for :)
CD's on the other hand need that backing protected. I've seen a lot of
funky, cool designs that leave the silver backing showing through some
stencilled design. not good at all! Likewise when you can see the metallic
edges visible. Again this can be dealt with, though i'd recommend buying a
different brant straight up, protect by spraying laquer over the metalwork.
Hardly worth the effort though..
regards
karl