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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / Australian Photography / December 2006New Nikon D40
Hi All, Nikon USA has just announced the D40: <http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=774> Cheers, Wayne  SignatureWayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wayne Olympus thought there would be no market in the US for a very compact D-SLR, what makes Nikon think there will be? No, Olympus couldn't guarantee to supply enough for more than one global region before Christmas, so Europe got lucky. The E-400 is still smaller and lighter than the Nikon D40. Here's my take on the D40: http://dpnow.com/3197.html Ian Digital Photography Now http://dpnow.com >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Olympus thought there would be no market in the US for a very compact > D-SLR, what makes Nikon think there will be? > No, Olympus couldn't guarantee to supply enough for more than one global > region before Christmas, so Europe got lucky. I was told they only had 2000 available, for whatever reason. I was also told that they would produce no more. Three more DSLRs are supposedly coming. >> No, Olympus couldn't guarantee to supply enough for more than one global >> region before Christmas, so Europe got lucky. > >I was told they only had 2000 available, for whatever reason. I was >also told that they would produce no more. Three more DSLRs are >supposedly coming. A total production run of only 2000? Where did you hear that? SignatureBill Funk replace "g" with "a" >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Olympus thought there would be no market in the US for a very compact D-SLR, > what makes Nikon think there will be? Personally I think there is a huge market for very compact dSLRs. There are a lot of SLR owners who are really just point and shooters who if they decide to upgrade will want something both cheap and not too big. Choice is great. Cheers, Wayne SignatureWayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wayne Don't get too excited. Only works with "G" lenses. Bill Crocker > Don't get too excited. Only works with "G" lenses. wrong. the only lens limitation with the d40 is that autofocus requires af-s lenses. some af-s lenses are 'g' and others aren't. anything else will be manual focus. >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Bill Crocker I suspect the only purchasers of this camera won't care. All new Nikon glass will work with it. It doesn't strike me as a camera that will be purchased by anyone with any significant investment in non AFD lenses or even non-G lenses. SignatureJim <jen....not....home..remvdots...@....yahoo > Hi All, > > Nikon USA has just announced the D40: > <http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=774> Is it me or are Nikon's cheap cameras getting dumber while the cheap Canon cameras are getting smarter? In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems just bob <kilbyfan@aoldotcom> wrote: >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is it me or are Nikon's cheap cameras getting dumber while the cheap Canon > cameras are getting smarter? Hmm Nikon's cameras have always been feature rich per dollar spent as compared to Canons. The D40 won't change that [considering the price]. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 >>> Nikon USA has just announced the D40: >>> <http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=774> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > as compared > to Canons. The D40 won't change that [considering the price]. I think that's the key point, price. The estimated price means the price/performance ratio will be very good for consumers. All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough features for entry level SLR users for about $600 with an 18-55 lense. That might put a dent in the Canon XT/XTi sales for Christmas, even with the price drops on the XT and XTi models. In rec.photo.digital Bill <bill@c.a> wrote: >>>> Nikon USA has just announced the D40: >>>> <http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=774> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I think that's the key point, price. The estimated price means the > price/performance ratio will be very good for consumers. Nothing wrong with that. It is not like Nikon is taking options away from the more advanced users. Dollar per dollar, Nikon competes very well against Canon and Canon has left the sub $600 niche wide open in the SLR market. > All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with > an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough > features for entry level SLR users for about $600 with an 18-55 lense. > That might put a dent in the Canon XT/XTi sales for Christmas, even > with the price drops on the XT and XTi models. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 The EOS 10D is still available for order in Asia. Lots of canonistas have also put their 300Ds, 350Ds and 20Ds on the used market and upgraded. Me thinks the Nikon D40 is competing against those old Canon cameras. The 10D is definitely lots better than the Nikon D40 despite having almost the same pixel count. The Nikon D40 is also going to compete against the (discounted) D70s and the D50s that are still available in the market. Makes me wonder what strategy Nikon is following. I wish Nikon has something to compete against the Canon 5D so that Canon is forced to lower the premium on that full-frame camera. > Nothing wrong with that. It is not like Nikon is taking options away from the > more advanced users. Dollar per dollar, Nikon competes very well against > Canon and Canon has left the sub $600 niche wide open in the SLR market. In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Anthony <sadiztik07@yahoo.com> wrote: > The EOS 10D is still available for order in Asia. Lots of canonistas > have also put their 300Ds, 350Ds and 20Ds on the used market and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > against the Canon 5D so that Canon is forced to lower the premium on > that full-frame camera. I tell you what. Average Joe will go into best buy and he will buy the new Nikon D40 and not look for a used Canon 300D. Personally, I think it is a stroke of marketting genious. The perfect target is somebody like my sister-in-law, that I already mentioned. She likes SLR glass alright (no special glass, just compared to a point and shoot) and she composes nice images, but she really doesn't know much about the technical aspects of using an SLR and doesn't seem to care to learn the real details. I think my Uncle is the same way. In short, I think there is a huge market to be tapped ... those still using film SLR cameras that don't have a place to go ... until the Nikon D40. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 > In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Anthony <sadiztik07@yahoo.com> wrote: >> The EOS 10D is still available for order in Asia. Lots of canonistas [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > to go > ... until the Nikon D40. Actually I think the Pentax K100/110/D fits here as well (little bigger but not hugely so) but has not had the same marketing applied, actually the Pentaxes still have all the bells and whistles but are still simple. > Actually I think the Pentax K100/110/D fits here as well (little > bigger but not hugely so) but has not had the same marketing > applied, actually the Pentaxes still have all the bells and whistles > but are still simple. Pentax finally woke up to the fact that they HAD to have some models with a K in their name before all the K1000s went to scrap. SignaturePaul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. > In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Anthony <sadiztik07@yahoo.com> wrote: >> The EOS 10D is still available for order in Asia. Lots of canonistas [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I tell you what. Average Joe will go into best buy and he will buy the new > Nikon D40 and not look for a used Canon 300D. Or whatever Canon counters for in the $500 DSLR range, yes. But everyone here, just as in Lake Wobegone, is above average. One's MMV. Signaturejohn mcwilliams > In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Anthony <sadiztik07@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I tell you what. Average Joe will go into best buy and he will buy the new > Nikon D40 and not look for a used Canon 300D. You are dead right. I am exactly like your sisterinlaw. Just want something manageable to replace my beloved canon slr. Dont want to have to become a computer programmer in order to take photos but do want a bit more control than the point and shoot. And the size and the six mp is just right for me. Only thing missing that I would really like is the automatic cleaner. > Personally, I think it is a stroke of marketting genious. The perfect target > is somebody like my sister-in-law, that I already mentioned. She likes SLR [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > be tapped ... those still using film SLR cameras that don't have a place to go > ... until the Nikon D40. > In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Anthony <sadiztik07@yahoo.com> wrote: >> The EOS 10D is still available for order in Asia. Lots of canonistas [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Personally, I think it is a stroke of marketting genious. I agree. IMO, Too many times electronic manufacturers are focused on adding more features to keep the price the same as it was last years model when a lot of consumers think the price of technology should be going down every year. Consumers who are frustrated by this will see value in being able to pickup a DSLR for $500. > The EOS 10D is still available for order in Asia. Lots of canonistas > have also put their 300Ds, 350Ds and 20Ds on the used market and > upgraded. Me thinks the Nikon D40 is competing against those old Canon > cameras. The 10D is definitely lots better than the Nikon D40 despite > having almost the same pixel count. Many dealers in Canada still have Canon 10D bodies in stock. Canon announced the 20D as the 10D replacement, leaving dealers stuck with the 10D on their shelves. > All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with > an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough > features for entry level SLR users for about $600 with an 18-55 lense. Is that $600 Australian? Maybe I bought my D50 too soon. :-) Gerrit >> All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with >> an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Gerrit Doubtful. >>>All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with >>>an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Doubtful. I saw pricing yesterday.... about a grand Australian. Incidentally, the D-50 is discontinued.. .and no stocks are available in aus from Nikon! kosh >> "Gerrit 't Hart" <gthart@sad.au> wrote in message >>>"Bill" <bill@c.a> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> >>>Maybe I bought my D50 too soon. :-) Nope, it's $600 US, $750 CDN, if that helps you at all. > I saw pricing yesterday.... about a grand Australian. How much is the D50 by comparison, about the same or a few bucks less? > Incidentally, the D-50 is discontinued.. .and no stocks are > available in aus from Nikon! Really? Here in Canada Nikon is saying the D50 is not discontinued and there are no plans to do so. The D50 is a much more capable camera for experienced users, and Nikon intends to keep it in the lineup for those who need/want the features it provides. The older D70s is also not discontinued and will continue to be offered. Some stores like Future Shop or Circuit City may drop the D50 though, since the new model offers more value to their clientele (read: newbies). I suspect some of this may change after the Christmas rush, but who knows. >>> "Gerrit 't Hart" <gthart@sad.au> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > I suspect some of this may change after the Christmas rush, but who knows. straight from the horses mouth!!!! I was also lead to believe Nikon Japan had little ot no stock remaining.... I suspect it would be Canadian stores clearing out old stock.... Henry's by chance? kosh kosh >> Some stores like Future Shop or Circuit City may drop the D50 >> though, since the new model offers more value to their clientele [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > remaining.... I suspect it would be Canadian stores clearing out old > stock.... Henry's by chance? Nope, big chain stores like Future Shop and Best Buy might clear out the D50 since the D40 will be a better seller to newbies. As far as Henry's is concerned, the website doesn't suggest anything, and Nikon states the D50 and D70s models will continue to be part of their product line. >>> Some stores like Future Shop or Circuit City may drop the D50 >>> though, since the new model offers more value to their clientele [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >states the D50 and D70s models will continue to be part of their >product line. It appears that Nikon always states a model will continue in its product line until Nikon has delivered the last one from stock. Only at that point is the item stated to have been discontinued. For example, the Nikon F3 has been out of production for 27 months by the time it was finally deleted from the product line. The reason was that Nikon still had stocks of the F3HP, and only when these were sold did Nikon announce that the camera was discontinued. The last D50 was made some months ago. There are still some in stock at Nikon. Only when all these are sold will Nikon announce that the D50 is discontinued. Meanwhile, stores will discount their remaining stocks of the D50, helped by lower wholesale prices from Nikon, making it cheaper than the D40. Since the D40 has no particular advantage over the D50, and the potentially major disadvantage of being unable to drive the focusing mechanisms of non-AF-S lenses, a deeply discounted D50 could be a wise purchase. It occurs to me that Nikon are seeking to increase sales of their own AF-S lenses mainly at the expense of independent brands, most or all of whose products lack any AF-S focusing compatibility. >It appears that Nikon always states a model will continue in its >product line until Nikon has delivered the last one from stock. Only [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >stocks of the D50, helped by lower wholesale prices from Nikon, making >it cheaper than the D40. Are they still making the D70? Signature\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ The poster is voicing an incomplete personal opinion or observation of Nikon's action. The poster is not clear about whose stock he is referring to. It could be the stock in the Nikon's manufacturing plant, the Nikon distribution warehouse waiting distribution to Nikon's various importers, the importers warehouse, or the retail dealers selves. I would expect as soon as Nikon sends out the last camera from their worldwide distribution warehouse, the consider that product line ended and don not consider the importer or retailer's stock. >From what I have experience with Nikon, they support their product. For example they are still repairing the D70 that suffers from the BGLOD, the unsodered connecter, and are still replacing possibly faulty batteries for free even though the product has been replaced by the D70s. The fix for BGLOD even is available for the discontinued film cameras. They even provided a software update for the D70 when the D70s came out to update the D70 software for the D70s improvements and they have done the same for the D2x. > >It appears that Nikon always states a model will continue in its > >product line until Nikon has delivered the last one from stock. Only [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > /\/\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \/\/\ > \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ >> It appears that Nikon always states a model will continue in its >> product line until Nikon has delivered the last one from stock. Only [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Are they still making the D70? is Aus I hav ebeen advised they will be 'available into the new year... this probably mean nikon Aus. will hcontinue to hold stock... (probably the only thing they do have stock of!) > Since the D40 has no particular advantage over the D50, and the > potentially major disadvantage of being unable to drive the focusing [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > AF-S lenses mainly at the expense of independent brands, most or all > of whose products lack any AF-S focusing compatibility. I believe Sigma HSM lenses are equivalent. SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com >>>> All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with >>>> an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > kosh Where did you get that from or that a remnant from Maxwells spiel. Most other stuff is available and hasn't been better for years. Also some of the pricing has dropped in the shops, was told you can now pickup a D200 for $2200 which is through Nikon Australia, these retail at $2890 and the going price was about $2650 for this Australian import. DD had them for $2300 imported from Japan. This is a big pricing policy change. >>>>> All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with >>>>> an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Where did you get that from or that a remnant from Maxwells spiel. try Nikon Australia! while they are working out of the same premises they are now quite seperate.... some of the same staff maybe, but they even had to re-interview for their new positions..... they are quite different now (i hope) kosh > > All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with > > an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough > > features for entry level SLR users for about $600 with an 18-55 lense. > > Is that $600 Australian? Dream on. And the Canon Rebels are called the 300D, 350D and 400D here in Aus. MrT. >> All of the new Canon Rebel cameras have been introduced at $1000 with >> an 18-55 lense, but now you can buy a new Nikon with more than enough [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Gerrit In Canada the D50 is $100 cdn cheaper than the D40. The D40 will only be available as a "kit" until at least February (Nikon Calendar). > Hmm Nikon's cameras have always been feature rich per dollar spent as > compared > to Canons. The D40 won't change that [considering the price]. <snip> Mmmm, but not compared to the Pentaxes and Minoltas, which proves Nikon correct that small and simple will win a market share. In rec.photo.digital Pete D <no@email.com> wrote: >> Hmm Nikon's cameras have always been feature rich per dollar spent as >> compared [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Mmmm, but not compared to the Pentaxes and Minoltas, which proves Nikon > correct that small and simple will win a market share. It will fill a niche in the SLR market. It will get a lot of those old film SLR hold outs that really just point and shoot in program modes [like my sister-in-law ... nice composition, but no technical ability]. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 > In rec.photo.digital Pete D <no@email.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > SLR hold outs that really just point and shoot in program modes [like my > sister-in-law ... nice composition, but no technical ability]. there are many people who want more than a bridge camera... but don't want a full blown SLR kosh > In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems just bob <kilbyfan@aoldotcom> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Hmm Nikon's cameras have always been feature rich per dollar spent as compared > to Canons. The D40 won't change that [considering the price]. hmm, i'm not so sure.... remember the F-50.... or even better, the F-401.... hell, you didn't even have manual on the FG! kosh >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is it me or are Nikon's cheap cameras getting dumber while the cheap > Canon cameras are getting smarter? A dumb digital camera that works is not a bad thing. I shoot RAW with my D70s and will continue with whatever I buy in the future. Photoshop is my firend. But, Dad a veteran of the Speed Graphic, Leica IIIf, Nikon F and a Nikon F3 and Kodachrome when it was ASA 10 (yes for you young ones, ASA 10 with f 3.5 lenses) bought a D50. I questioned his judgement. In the past, he has taken many prize winning photographs. It isn't the first time I have later admitted Dad was right and it won' t be the last. He is compentent in Quicken, does on line banking etc. But, trying to teach him the basics of PhotoShop Elements or Microsoft Picture etc.. was well, a futile effort. So, with that D50 on JPEG fine, large, he takes pictures, shoves the SD card in his Epson printer and prints off some pretty amazing photos. He also takes the card to the quicky one hour lab and likewise gets back very credible pictures. Are they going to win the Salon Slide category month after month, perhaps not, but they are still very worth while. If he had to post process every shot, he wouldn't be taking pictures. SignatureJim <jen....not....home..remvdots...@....yahoo >>> Hi All, >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > while. If he had to post process every shot, he wouldn't be taking > pictures. Does not make a lot of sense, sounds more like he has made a choice and is sticking to his guns. just think what he could do if he tried a bit harder like he did with Quicken, personally I hate Querken!! Dirt Cheap are now selling the D50 with 18-55 at $40 cheaper than the equivalent D40. http://www.dirtcheapcameras.com.au/store/browse.asp?idCategory=20&brand=4 > Dirt Cheap are now selling the D50 with 18-55 at $40 cheaper > than the equivalent D40. > > http://www.dirtcheapcameras.com.au/store/browse.asp?idCategory=20 > &brand=4 Would seem a good deal at that price. > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wayne Interesting shutter control. > Hi All, > > Nikon USA has just announced the D40: > <http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=774> Sounds great. They should make a 28mm f/2.8 G AF-I too. I know people who would love to move to a dSLR but price is an issue as well as the bulky size. It's a hard sell without all the zoom, megapixels & IS capability of something like a high end P&S but hell if the price is lower, the image MUCH better and the size comparable, that's pretty cool. I think it should be more of a retro look: http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/photography/D40-Retro and have the option of coming with a fairly fast normal lens. It's amazing how easy it is to shoot really nice stuff with such a setup. > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Wayne In Canada the D40 is priced $100 (CDN) more than the D50, go figure! |
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