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Graham Fountain - 20 Oct 2006 12:08 GMT
I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter so
I can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect. Since I
bought it, I haven't had a chance to go out and use it. SWMBO announced
that she wanted to go for a drive, so I suggested the Bunya Mountains -
it's less than 2 hours drive, and there are several waterfalls there, as
well as some cascades, that would be a great way to try out my new ND8.
Plus there are lots of parrots, roos etc to keep the non-photographic
members of the family occupied. So it was agreed. One camera loaded with
Velvia, another with PanF, tripod, and of course the ND8 and polariser -
I figure the polariser, ND8 and 50 speed film should be able to get me
shutter speeds in the vicinity of 1-5 seconds depending on how the light
happens to be, ideal for the flowing effect I'm after.

So we drive up to the mountains, hike the 770m from the carpark to the
closest waterfall that offers a good vantage, and it is at that point I
discover that something critical is missing. I have my cameras, I have
my film, I have my filters, I have my tripod - what's missing?...

The WATER!! Bloody drought. I've gone to the bunyas countless times over
probably about 30 years, and have never ever seen it when the creek
isn't flowing, until today. So I got photographs of a dry creekbed, a
dry cliff that normally has waterfalls flowing over it, dry rocks... If
we ever return to normal weather, I'll be able to prove that once the
Bunya's were dry.
Pete D - 20 Oct 2006 12:11 GMT
Bugger! So are you gonna post some pics anyway?

>I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter so I
>can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect. Since I bought
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> return to normal weather, I'll be able to prove that once the Bunya's were
> dry.
Graham Fountain - 20 Oct 2006 13:06 GMT
> Bugger! So are you gonna post some pics anyway?
patience grasshopper. Have to finish the film and get it processed first.
Pete D - 20 Oct 2006 13:46 GMT
>> Bugger! So are you gonna post some pics anyway?
> patience grasshopper. Have to finish the film and get it processed first.

Mmmm, I have some RealA in one of my cameras that I must finish off too.
nb - 21 Oct 2006 01:02 GMT
"Have to finish the film and get it processed first."

Does that mean if you shoot digital you have to fill the card before
downloading as well?

cheers

nb

> > Bugger! So are you gonna post some pics anyway?
> patience grasshopper. Have to finish the film and get it processed first.
Graham Fountain - 21 Oct 2006 01:35 GMT
> "Have to finish the film and get it processed first."
>
> Does that mean if you shoot digital you have to fill the card before
> downloading as well?
Well I _could_ unload the film early, but at $22/roll for velvia, I'm
not going to waste 33 frames out of 36, just so i can have some pics of
rocks.

> cheers
>
> nb
>
>>> Bugger! So are you gonna post some pics anyway?
>> patience grasshopper. Have to finish the film and get it processed first.
Noons - 21 Oct 2006 14:09 GMT
> Well I _could_ unload the film early, but at $22/roll for velvia, I'm
> not going to waste 33 frames out of 36, just so i can have some pics of
> rocks.

Sheesh!  You're paying waaaay too
much for Velvia....
Mr.T - 21 Oct 2006 01:54 GMT
> "Have to finish the film and get it processed first."
>
> Does that mean if you shoot digital you have to fill the card before
> downloading as well?

No, it means that is one of the benefits of digital over film.

MrT.
Mike Warren - 20 Oct 2006 12:24 GMT
> One camera loaded with Velvia, another with PanF,

What type of memory cards are Velvia and PanF? :-)

> The WATER!! Bloody drought.

I hope you got some nice pictures of flowing rocks.

My wife and I travelled to one of our favourite waterfalls on the
Atherton tablelands a couple of months ago and all the bush around it
which made it look so pretty was decimated from the cyclone.

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Rupert Gumpole - 21 Oct 2006 02:24 GMT
>> One camera loaded with Velvia, another with PanF,
>
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> Atherton tablelands a couple of months ago and all the bush around it
> which made it look so pretty was decimated from the cyclone.

Which one was that Mike?
Mike Warren - 21 Oct 2006 02:50 GMT
> > My wife and I travelled to one of our favourite waterfalls on the
> > Atherton tablelands a couple of months ago and all the bush around
> > it which made it look so pretty was decimated from the cyclone.
>
> Which one was that Mike?

Which cyclone? Larry. Which waterfall? Elinjaa.

http://web.aanet.com.au/pics/M20060819094618-copy.jpg

This is more how I'm used to seeing it (sans bird, of course).

http://web.aanet.com.au/pics/N05-3586c-web.jpg

or this:

http://web.aanet.com.au/miwa/mike/gallery/photos/photo16.html

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Rupert Gumpole - 21 Oct 2006 03:28 GMT
>>> My wife and I travelled to one of our favourite waterfalls on the
>>> Atherton tablelands a couple of months ago and all the bush around
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>
> http://web.aanet.com.au/miwa/mike/gallery/photos/photo16.html

Geez there is a difference there

Are the councils going to clean it up??
Andrew Hennell - 21 Oct 2006 04:16 GMT
> Geez there is a difference there
>
> Are the councils going to clean it up??

"clean it up"?  I hope not.  Cyclones are a natural phenomenon, as is
the damage they cause.  OK so it doesn't look as pretty as it used to,
but the fallen timber provides habitat, slows water speed during high
flow periods (and this reduces erosion), and many other things.

Learn to admire nature, warts and all :)
Pete D - 22 Oct 2006 09:58 GMT
>> Geez there is a difference there
>>
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>
> Learn to admire nature, warts and all :)

OH LOOK YOUR HOUSE GOT BLOWN AWAY!

" "clean it up"?  I hope not.  Cyclones are a natural phenomenon, as is
the damage they cause.  OK so it doesn't look as pretty as it used to,
but the fallen timber provides habitat, slows water speed during high
flow periods (and this reduces erosion), and many other things.
Andrew Hennell - 22 Oct 2006 10:05 GMT
> OH LOOK YOUR HOUSE GOT BLOWN AWAY!

heh - I was waiting for that!  Two slightly different things I think, a
natural waterfall area and someone's home.

And having been with the State Emergency Service for 19yrs now, I've
done my fair share of 'cleaning up' after major storms :)
Pete D - 22 Oct 2006 11:19 GMT
>> OH LOOK YOUR HOUSE GOT BLOWN AWAY!
>
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> And having been with the State Emergency Service for 19yrs now, I've done
> my fair share of 'cleaning up' after major storms :)

Sorry you had to wait, I was away for the weekend training people on a ropes
course.

Anyway some natural beauty areas that bring the tourists will need to be
cleaned up, can't have grotty tourist areas now can we?
James McNangle - 22 Oct 2006 11:41 GMT
>Anyway some natural beauty areas that bring the tourists will need to be
>cleaned up, can't have grotty tourist areas now can we?

I have seen some pretty grotty tourists, so it sounds appropriate to me!

James McNangle
Pete D - 22 Oct 2006 20:56 GMT
>>Anyway some natural beauty areas that bring the tourists will need to be
>>cleaned up, can't have grotty tourist areas now can we?
>
> I have seen some pretty grotty tourists, so it sounds appropriate to me!
>
> James McNangle

Sound more like ferals than tourists.
Mike Warren - 22 Oct 2006 07:16 GMT
> Are the councils going to clean it up??

Yes. It's a popular tourist spot.

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Fred - 21 Oct 2006 02:14 GMT
> I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter
> so I can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> dry rocks... If we ever return to normal weather, I'll be able to
> prove that once the Bunya's were dry.

:-) It's a sad by-product of Global Warming.
In the future you will have to travel to Tasmania to see and photograph a
natural waterfall ;-)
I was there (Tassie) earlier this year and just about every where you looked
there was cascading water.
I even saw in the news recently that they are considering exporting their
rainwater to the mainland.
Seems unlikely to me that such a project would be viable but you never
know....
http://tasmaniantimes.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the-myth-of-plenty/
James McNangle - 21 Oct 2006 03:05 GMT
>In the future you will have to travel to Tasmania to see and photograph a
>natural waterfall ;-)
>I was there (Tassie) earlier this year and just about every where you looked
>there was cascading water.

According to the ABC news this morning they were selling sheep at an auction for
$0.50 yesterday in Tassie -- no one wants them because there's no water to grow
feed for them.

James McNangle
Pete D - 22 Oct 2006 09:59 GMT
>>In the future you will have to travel to Tasmania to see and photograph a
>>natural waterfall ;-)
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>
> James McNangle

Should send all their sheep to the waterfalls and grow grass there.
TACAN - 22 Oct 2006 12:37 GMT
<  According to the ABC news this morning they were selling sheep at an
auction for
<  $0.50 yesterday in Tassie --

and still pay $20.00 Kg retail for some pretty ordinary looking meat ...
primary producer gets bugga' all.

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Rupert Gumpole - 21 Oct 2006 02:52 GMT
> I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter so
> I can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect. Since I
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> we ever return to normal weather, I'll be able to prove that once the
> Bunya's were dry.

Did anyone else see the funny side of a guy called Fountain complaining
about a water shortage  :)
TACAN - 22 Oct 2006 23:49 GMT
Good one!!     :)

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James McNangle - 21 Oct 2006 03:01 GMT
>I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter so
>I can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect. ......

> ...... So I got photographs of a dry creekbed, a
>dry cliff that normally has waterfalls flowing over it, dry rocks...

But were the rocks nicely blurred?

James McNangle
Andrew Hennell - 21 Oct 2006 04:14 GMT
>> I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter so
>> I can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect. ......
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> But were the rocks nicely blurred?

only if he forgot the tripod :)
RT - 21 Oct 2006 07:40 GMT
>I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter so I
>can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect. Since I bought
>it, I haven't had a chance to go out and use it. SWMBO announced that she
>wanted to go for a drive, so I suggested the Bunya Mountains - it's less
>than 2 hours drive, and there are several waterfalls there, as well as some
>cascades, that would be a great way to try out my new ND8.

Thanks for the interesting post and the education.   "Vodka hell is an ND8
and why is it good for waterfalls?" I thought.   So now, post Google, I know
its a neutral density  filter which doesn't affect colours, is an 8x (3
stops) filter usually used for very bright conditions and is used in
microscopes amongst other things.
Graham Fountain - 21 Oct 2006 12:08 GMT
>> I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter so I
>> can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect. Since I bought
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> stops) filter usually used for very bright conditions and is used in
> microscopes amongst other things.
Yeah, neutral density filters are very handy things to have in the kit.
A polariser acts a little like a 1-2 stop ND filter, (depending on the
light). ND's are in 1 stop (ND2), 2 stop (ND4) and 3 stop (ND8)
varieties. I see hoya also make an ND400, almost 9 stops. I figured for
what I want the ND8 would be the go. Between that and the polariser (i
use the polariser anyway due to reflections and to enhance the sky), I'd
get up to 5 stops slower, which with ISO50 film gives me 1 sec at F22 in
broad daylight, slower with shade.
The ND400 is an interesting option - I've heard them referred to as
"Tourist Filters" - when taking photos of things like landmark buildings
etc, you can get slow enough shutters that the people blur out.
Interesting concept, that one day I may feel so inclined to try.
Rob - 21 Oct 2006 14:44 GMT
>>> I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter
>>> so I can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect.
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> etc, you can get slow enough shutters that the people blur out.
> Interesting concept, that one day I may feel so inclined to try.

Pinhole cameras are used for the same thing - with much longer exposure
times - for building internals.
Rutger - 22 Oct 2006 22:25 GMT
>I like photos of waterfalls, and just recently I bought an ND8 filter so I
>can get slower shutters to give that lovely flowing effect. Since I

Made some
here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/zwaarddrager/sets/72157594331073165/

Look at the exif-data, they can tell a lot.

Rutger

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