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Photo Forum / General Photo Topics / Australian Photography / July 2006Southbank Melbourne have gone too far.
No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. Talk about the world gone mad. I can just see a a security guard being told to p*ss off every time they came up to me to tell me I'm not allowed to take a photo in the public areas. If they attempt to escort me from there there would be a friggin riot. I suggest we all march down there en masse armed with our cameras and start snapping away. what are the guards gonna do with 100 irate photographers all angrily snapping away. Any takers on a protest shoot? we can organise it for a weekend where you get maximum numbers of people and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how idiotic some management people are. > No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of > Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how > idiotic some management people are. looks like the pollies are already on the TOO FAR bandwagon. I woul dlike to see them try to enforce it.... being a public place and land etc. Though according to the atricle, the person who made the decision stated that they were not photos you would put in your album.... architecture... minamalist... sahpe and form..... So I guess I must be a crap photographer since they are not all happy snaps! this reminds me of the person pulled up by the cops for photographing some refineries in Altona... common sense prevailed, and I think it will again. At least a refinery can consider itself more of a target and is on private land. did I hear JOhn Howard even commented on the southbank thing?!? incidentally.... unless they also intend to shut down flinders street and every tall building looking for telephoto lenses... I htink people can finda way if they wanted to.... why did my mobile just go click!?!? kosh >> No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some >> of Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > kosh I still think that if a number of photographers descend on the place en masse it will highlight the stupidity of the decision. > I still think that if a number of photographers descend on the place en > masse it will highlight the stupidity of the decision. Ch 9 basically did that for a Current Affair story tonight. They were taking pics with tourists but no security approached them (while their TV cameras were around!). Nige. No! Dont you get it. They were right. Ban photographs and photographers then pull up a big black sheet over the place and completely rebuild it overnight to completely fool the terrorists who have got hold of some of the millions of photos of the place out there on the internet, in magazines, books, etc. Oh...of course they would have to do this at least every few days to ensure all no-one takes a discreet photo or two in the meantime. Would not a simpler reaction be to ban all modern technology devices with a collection point to leave them at, perhaps with a small fee ($100 should suffice). I dont know if I missed something somewhere but how much terrorist activity has been shown to assist the terrorists. Mostly what I have read has involved mobile phones and Internet for co-ordination. Just my 2c worth. I have been told not to take photos of trains, and not to take pics of my son swimming at his lessons. To those that try to ban...do a google search of the place you are trying to ban photography, add photos from the sites of the various builders proud of the buildings they built, etc, etc. >> I still think that if a number of photographers descend on the place >> en masse it will highlight the stupidity of the decision. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nige. > I have been told not to take photos of trains, and not to take pics of > my son swimming at his lessons. Plenty of people take photos of their kids learning to swim at my local Paul Sadler Swimland, or whatever it's called. Sanity prevails. Where were you told not to take photos of your child learning to swim? Ben And I have given up taking my camera with me, after getting threatened by Police action if I took a photo of my Granddaughter playing in a netball comp. What galled me was there was a "professional photographer" allowed to do so, and was charging $5 a 6"x4" copy! Harry >> I have been told not to take photos of trains, and not to take pics of my >> son swimming at his lessons. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ben > And I have given up taking my camera with me, after getting threatened by > Police action if I took a photo of my Granddaughter playing in a netball > comp. What galled me was there was a "professional photographer" allowed to > do so, and was charging $5 a 6"x4" copy! Call their bluff. >> after getting threatened by Police action if I took a photo of my Granddaughter playing in a netball comp. Do what I do, hand them your mobile and say the number is under Police station in the contacts list. they usually walk away. Nobody is stopping me taking photos of my kids. Some fat cow at school tried, but soon got told. >>what galled me was there was a "professional photographer" allowed to do so, and was charging $5 a 6"x4" copy! So, what you do is ask to see his approval to work with kids (or what ever that new standard is that people working with kids have to have).. once he cant provide it, return the favor to the school and say your calling the cops and suing for not providing a safe environment for kids. > > I have been told not to take photos of trains, and not to take pics of > > my son swimming at his lessons. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Where were you told not to take photos of your child learning to swim? Our local swim training centre has a better policy IMHO - if you want to take pics then you need to get permission from the parents of other children in the water. Probably impractical when you have a pool full of excited kids, but if you're the only one left then it's not a problem. I don't know whether I'd be game to take in the 1DsII with a big lens and flash though. I got some dirty looks walking along a beach... with the camera pointed at the ground and the lens cap on!! >> I still think that if a number of photographers descend on the place en >> masse it will highlight the stupidity of the decision. > > Ch 9 basically did that for a Current Affair story tonight. They were > taking pics with tourists but no security approached them (while their > TV cameras were around!). Isn't the ban primarily on photography in the food court and the complex lobby? > No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of > Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how > idiotic some management people are. Not being familiar with the place I can't understand the situation. Is it a shopping mall or who owns this land?? Crown land leased???? Is it a public place on private property?? (Its there right to stop photography in this situation BTW) Whats the fuss all about - seems that they don't want to get caught out re litigation by photographic record and what ever there excuse, its down to terrorism (by themselves). >Is it a shopping mall or who owns this land?? Crown land leased???? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >re litigation by photographic record and what ever there excuse, its >down to terrorism (by themselves). They are attempting to stop photography within the complex, which it seems they have every right to do assuming it is private property. There hasn't been any mention of photography outside the building, from public land. They can NOT stop you doing that. If they try then just call the police. JJ >> Is it a shopping mall or who owns this land?? Crown land leased???? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > JJ The whole promenade belongs to southbank as well. even the walkway right up almost to the yarra's edge. >The whole promenade belongs to southbank as well. >even the walkway right up almost to the yarra's edge. That being the case, they could easilly enforce thier rule outside as well, but they can't stop you shooting it from accross the road. They have only reffered to shooting inside the buildings, to the best of my knowledge. JJ iirc .. .its just a shopping arcade next to the Yarra River that is before Crown Casino if you walk from Flinders station. Can a Melbournian enlighten us ? As you are in Sydney, I believe its something like shooting along Circular Quay wharf. I'm sure I took a few snap when I visited Melbourne a few years back .. and those WERE NOT album quality photo, more like a tourism booklet snap [as I am a photographer, not just tourist posing in every landmark ] =bob= > Not being familiar with the place I can't understand the situation. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > litigation by photographic record and what ever there excuse, its down to > terrorism (by themselves). > No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of > Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how > idiotic some management people are. Considering your swarthy unwashed appearance I reakon you are a definably a suspect . >> No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some >> of Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Considering your swarthy unwashed appearance I reakon you are a > definably a suspect . Another scintillating post by the queenslander >>> No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some >>> of Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> definably a suspect . > Another scintillating post by the queenslander Glad you appreciate the facts madam. I thought it was Southgate? > No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of > Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how idiotic > some management people are. >I thought it was Southgate? Sounds more like South Park >> No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of >> Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how >> idiotic some management people are. you can send a complaint to Southbank management using this form: http://www.southgate-melbourne.com.au/contacts.php?id=36 best to keep it polite for credibility, else they might dismiss you as a ranting loonie. >>I thought it was Southgate? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how >>> idiotic some management people are. > No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of > Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how > idiotic some management people are. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I refer you to this very handy web-page. http://4020.net/unposed/photorights.shtml > I refer you to this very handy web-page. > http://4020.net/unposed/photorights.shtml Nice link. Thanks! Actually, it's not the entire Southbank area, it's the "Southgate" complex at the Arts Centre end of Southbank. There is a building or 2 there called Southgate, and that's where the bans have been placed.  SignatureDale Porter > No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that > area. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > we can organise it for a weekend where you get maximum numbers of people and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to > highlight how idiotic some management people are. > Actually, it's not the entire Southbank area, it's the "Southgate" complex at the Arts Centre end of Southbank. There is a building > or 2 there called Southgate, and that's where the bans have been placed. It also includes the outer eating areas and the promenade directly outside it. I just can't see this ban working. There are some very photographic stairs etc that are in the complex as well as that funky looking ball. combined aus.moto trip eh Smee? >It also includes the outer eating areas and the promenade directly >outside it. >I just can't see this ban working. >There are some very photographic stairs etc that are in the complex as >well as that funky looking ball. > combined aus.moto trip eh Smee? Looks like something is planned http://mith.com.au/wordpress/?page_id=12 Not my website btw >> combined aus.moto trip eh Smee? > > Looks like something is planned > > http://mith.com.au/wordpress/?page_id=12 > Not my website btw Was at southgate tonight and they have definitely lifted the ban because of all the bad publicity according to the traders I spoke to. All the signs have gone as well. Good news for the good guys. > Was at southgate tonight and they have definitely lifted the ban because > of all the bad publicity according to the traders I spoke to. > All the signs have gone as well. > Good news for the good guys. perhaps they never meant to have a photo ban, and this was just a PR stunt to lift the profile of the centre. How much tv/radio/press/net exposure did it cause? To get commentary from the PM and Premier and others isn't easy. Was there an increase in visitation in the past week? how cynical of me! Then again, I do work in PR :) "Smee" <me@here.net> wrote in message news:44c9ecec$0$6301$61c65585@uv-55king-reader-01.melbourne.pipenetworks.com .au... > Was at southgate tonight and they have definitely lifted the ban because > of all the bad publicity according to the traders I spoke to. > All the signs have gone as well. So did anyone get a photo of the offending signs before they were removed? MrT. > So did anyone get a photo of the offending signs before they were removed? Images of at least one were on the TV news this evening. What will architects do if they don't have to be artistic? SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly : > Actually, it's not the entire Southbank area, it's the "Southgate" complex at the Arts Centre end of Southbank. There is a building : > or 2 there called Southgate, and that's where the bans have been placed. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : There are some very photographic stairs etc that are in the complex as : well as that funky looking ball. > What will architects do if they don't have to be artistic? Built multi-storey dunny blocks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Architecture Now you're just takin the piss, aren't you? SignatureJoan http://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly : > What will architects do if they don't have to be artistic? : : Built multi-storey dunny blocks. : : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Architecture Today's article in The Age: http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/terrorists-with-tripods/2006/07/26/1153816 250981.html I suggest a photo contest. The best photo of one of the "Do not take photos" sign. If it includes a security person, it is a bonus for difficulty. Don't get arrested on my account though. Any idea were we can post them? I could always start an account on one of the free web-hosting place. On that note, I already have a Webshot account but was wondering if there are any other website with free photo hosting with less add and easier loading process? Patrick. > No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of > Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how > idiotic some management people are. >No photography in their precinct due to fears of terrorism. Yet some of >Melbourne's nicest pictures have been taken from that area. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >and tourists there and make sure it hits the news to highlight how >idiotic some management people are. Hmmm may be they should try and stop people from taking phots of the Sydney opera house. The hold thing is just too stilly for words. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. 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