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(June, 19th) Picture of the Picture

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Daniel Rocha - 20 Jun 2006 09:03 GMT
Hello,

I would like to show you the picture of the week.
In b&w and taken in the streets of Paris.

http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine/

Thanks for your visit,
Regards.

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Mr.T - 20 Jun 2006 09:11 GMT
> I would like to show you the picture of the week.
> In b&w and taken in the streets of Paris.
>
> http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine/

Gee, that's even worse than last weeks!

Why do you bother?

MrT.
rmd - 20 Jun 2006 11:13 GMT
>> I would like to show you the picture of the week.
>> In b&w and taken in the streets of Paris.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Why do you bother?

heheh....it is a bad attempt at being 'arty'
PlaneGuy - 20 Jun 2006 11:26 GMT
Because some people actually see people posting images. Granted this one
isn't my cup of tea, but there are certainly some really good images in
his collection.

So Daniel, please keep posting.

>> I would like to show you the picture of the week.
>> In b&w and taken in the streets of Paris.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> MrT.
Pete D - 20 Jun 2006 22:38 GMT
> Because some people actually see people posting images. Granted this one
> isn't my cup of tea, but there are certainly some really good images in
> his collection.
>
> So Daniel, please keep posting.

Indeed, where are all the great images from the naysayers? Perhaps their
loud mouths would not look so silly if they showed us their good ones??
Mr.T - 21 Jun 2006 06:21 GMT
> Indeed, where are all the great images from the naysayers? Perhaps their
> loud mouths would not look so silly if they showed us their good ones??

Probably too busy selling them to bother posting them on a dodgy web site.
Perhaps you can tell us exactly what you like about the photo in question,
and we could discuss it's merit.

MrT.
Pete D - 21 Jun 2006 07:34 GMT
>> Indeed, where are all the great images from the naysayers? Perhaps their
>> loud mouths would not look so silly if they showed us their good ones??
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> MrT.

Read my post, I said show us your better ones. This shot does nothing for me
but to bag it out of hand is a waste of a post, he has some really good
stuff, perhaps you just don't see what he does in this shot.
Mr.T - 21 Jun 2006 09:13 GMT
> Read my post, I said show us your better ones. This shot does nothing for me
> but to bag it out of hand is a waste of a post, he has some really good
> stuff, perhaps you just don't see what he does in this shot.

Read my reply, I'm interested in your opinion of what that might be?
I'm not interested in a pissing contest however.

MrT.
Daniel Rocha - 22 Jun 2006 05:11 GMT
> Because some people actually see people posting images. Granted this
> one isn't my cup of tea, but there are certainly some really good
> images in his collection.
>
> So Daniel, please keep posting.

Thanks to you !

http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine/

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Daniel Rocha - 22 Jun 2006 05:11 GMT
> Gee, that's even worse than last weeks!
> Why do you bother?

Please show me great pictures to see what I must do
to interest you.

Perhaps if you show you'r own  pictures I can have an
idea about great pictures !

http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine/

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MMnospam - 22 Jun 2006 05:26 GMT
>> Gee, that's even worse than last weeks!
>> Why do you bother?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine/

Hi Daniel

I find more value in your photos than in the one or two negative comments
they attract.
Please continue to share with those of us who appreciate your images.

-- MM
Mr.T - 22 Jun 2006 08:50 GMT
> Please show me great pictures to see what I must do
> to interest you.

An answer to my question as to why you think those are great, would interest
me more.
If other people are intersted in looking at crappy pictures, then perhaps
they are your target audience, obviously not me.

> Perhaps if you show you'r own  pictures I can have an
> idea about great pictures !
> http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine/

Pehaps you could tell us what you think is great about it, and we could have
a civil discussion.

MrT.
Daniel Rocha - 22 Jun 2006 19:33 GMT
"Mr.T" <MrT@home> a écrit dans le message de news:
> An answer to my question as to why you think those are great,
> would interest me more.

Why talking about about "great pictures" ? I neverr talked
about "great pictures". Tell me what is a great picture, and I'll
answer you !

http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine/

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Ben Thomas - 23 Jun 2006 04:55 GMT
> "Mr.T" <MrT@home> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> An answer to my question as to why you think those are great,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine/

Personally I think you implied that you think it's a great picture
because you named it Picture Of The Week.

Ben
Joan - 23 Jun 2006 05:37 GMT
Maybe he only takes one picture per week.

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: Personally I think you implied that you think it's a great picture
: because you named it Picture Of The Week.
:
: Ben
Mr.T - 23 Jun 2006 07:06 GMT
> Maybe he only takes one picture per week.

Yes, I suggested that possibility already. Seems likely.

MrT.
Mr.T - 23 Jun 2006 07:00 GMT
> "Mr.T" <MrT@home> a écrit dans le message de news:
> > An answer to my question as to why you think those are great,
> > would interest me more.
>
> Why talking about about "great pictures" ? I neverr talked
> about "great pictures".

Aren't they the *exact* words you used twice in this post :

"Daniel Rocha" <drocha@magic.fr.invalid> wrote in message
news:449a18b5$1$3135$636a55ce@news.free.fr...
> Please show me great pictures to see what I must do
> to interest you.
> Perhaps if you show you'r own  pictures I can have an
> idea about great pictures !

MrT.
Daniel Rocha - 23 Jun 2006 16:31 GMT
> Aren't they the *exact* words you used twice in this post :

I not tell you that it's a great picture. You tell me it's worst.
I asked you to show me a great picture the difference.
To learn.

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Mr.T - 24 Jun 2006 05:07 GMT
> I not tell you that it's a great picture.

So you should tell us what "picture of the week" actually means?
Whatever you just happened to dredge up this week?

MrT.
Fred - 25 Jun 2006 04:48 GMT
>> Aren't they the *exact* words you used twice in this post :
>
> I not tell you that it's a great picture. You tell me it's worst.
> I asked you to show me a great picture the difference.
> To learn.

I'll lend you a dictionary and thesaurus so I can understand what the
f.ck you are saying.
Ken Chandler - 25 Jun 2006 08:39 GMT
> > I not tell you that it's a great picture. You tell me it's worst.
> > I asked you to show me a great picture the difference.
> > To learn.

> I'll lend you a dictionary and thesaurus so I can understand what the
> f.ck you are saying.

homme désagréable

Daniel didn't say it was great picture, it is *his* picture of the week, no
more, no less.  Some rude individual(s) start slinging some non-constructive
criticism his way and Daniel has asked what these individuals think is a
great picture.

I can't figure out whether you are rude and ignorant or rude and lazy.
Daniel's post is really quite easy to understand.  Perhaps you might show a
little more patience when English obviously isn't his first language ('this
is an Australian forum, he should learn the language if he wants to post
here' comments in 5-4-3-2 ....).

It is amusing that while educating others on the use of the English language
you couldn't manage a sentence without a "f.ck" thrown in to demonstrate
your own immense vocabulary.  Thesaurus indeed.

KC

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Alan K. - 25 Jun 2006 12:05 GMT
>> > I not tell you that it's a great picture. You tell me it's worst.
>> > I asked you to show me a great picture the difference.
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>criticism his way and Daniel has asked what these individuals think is a
>great picture.

You have a point about the criticism being non-constructive in this
particular thread, but there have been a number of instances where he
HAS received constructive, albeit vitriolic in some cases, criticism.
I actually felt sorry for the guy when I saw it happen in
rec.photo.digital.slr-systems (whose doorstep he hasn't darkened
since)... but I'm not so sure that I feel the same way now for reasons
that I'll come back to.

And this week's one is, it has to be said, utterly, UTTERLY woeful.
It's not clear exactly what, if anything, it's supposed to be
communicating. The guy with the stupid expression (yes, I know, he's
blowing a whistle, but so what?)... is he the focus of the picture as
well as being the only one IN focus? Or is it the blurred woman in the
centre? Is there any connection between them? None that I can see, so
IMHO one's distracting from the other, or they're both distracting
from the central theme of the picture which is... heaven only knows
what.

Normally I wouldn't be quite as strident about it; I DO try to see the
good in a picture, and after all art is subjective (and indeed, I know
that some people have complimented the photo; gods only know what they
see in it), but this one strikes me as being an instance of "trying
too hard" and is therefore ANNOYING. Instead of REALLY having
something to say, it looks like a "Gee, I wonder what'll happen if I
do this? Oh, gosh, that looks artistic and clever" exercise. Which
everyone probably DOES both with the camera and with PhotoShop, but
they don't necessarily feel the need to tell the world about. Which
leads to the main point...

>I can't figure out whether you are rude and ignorant or rude and lazy.
>Daniel's post is really quite easy to understand.  Perhaps you might show a
>little more patience when English obviously isn't his first language ('this
>is an Australian forum, he should learn the language if he wants to post
>here' comments in 5-4-3-2 ....).

Not from me, but, and this is a rather large but... I'm thinking that
this might be tangential to a real, if unstated, problem that some
people may have with his postings. Consider how many HUNDREDS of
people post their photos to galleries like PBase or ShtterCity or
Photo.net *every* *day*. Consider what would happen to the signal to
junk ratio of the newsgroups if every ONE of them decided to announce
to the world, and I mean the *world*, "Hey, look, I've put up a new
photo on a web site!"

And he posts to French groups, UK groups, Japanese groups, an
Australian group, rec.photo.equipment.35mm ("equipment"? Does that
SEEM the right place for "Look, I took a new photo" posts?), Belgian
groups, Hong Kong groups... is his work so special that every person
on the planet NEEDS to know EVERY TIME he puts a picture up? And if
so, why not every other photographer as well? What fun that would be!

Look, good on him for taking a shot, making an effort, trying out new
things even when they don't work... [looks at picture again...] even
when they REALLY don't work, but his work is nowhere near special
enough to warrant a weekly posting in dozens of newsgroups around the
globe. He might aspire to be the reincarnation of Ansell Adams, but he
ain't. He really, really, ain't. Anyone who genuinely likes his work
(anyone? anyone?... sorry, couldn't resist) knows where his site is by
now; but this weekly posting across the globe is, IMHO just bandwidth
and archive-wasting.

(And yes, I know that part of the solution to that is to bozo-bin him,
but I try to reserve that for those who genuinely deserve it. And I
think his intentions are probably good; it's just that he's going
about it in a really bad way.)

>It is amusing that while educating others on the use of the English language
>you couldn't manage a sentence without a "f.ck" thrown in to demonstrate
>your own immense vocabulary.  Thesaurus indeed.
Mr.T - 26 Jun 2006 11:17 GMT
> >Daniel didn't say it was great picture, it is *his* picture of the week, no
> >more, no less.

Yes, we already surmised that it may be his only picture that week.

> You have a point about the criticism being non-constructive in this
> particular thread,

Well he refuses to answer WHY he thinks it's "picture of the week, so I'd
say he is not really interested in a constructive dialog.

I do agree with your assessment of the last photo though.

MrT.
Daniel Rocha - 26 Jun 2006 12:36 GMT
> Well he refuses to answer WHY he thinks it's "picture of the week, so
> I'd say he is not really interested in a constructive dialog.

You'r not searching a constructive dialog.

My website present various series of pictures.
I show a different picture each week. Thats the
point.

Understood ?

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Fred - 26 Jun 2006 15:02 GMT
>> Well he refuses to answer WHY he thinks it's "picture of the week, so
>> I'd say he is not really interested in a constructive dialog.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Understood ?

Nope
www.thesaurus.com
www.dictionary.com

will assist you no end.
btw why do you have to post every friggin week to every usenet site?
if you want praise forget it because you are getting too close to
nuisance posting.
Alan K. - 26 Jun 2006 20:42 GMT
>> Well he refuses to answer WHY he thinks it's "picture of the week, so
>> I'd say he is not really interested in a constructive dialog.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Understood ?

No. Because you didn't answer the question that was asked.

Why are the *particular pictures* that you put up your "picture of the
week"? Is it because they are, for example:
(a) The only picture you've taken in that week? Or
(b) What you regard as the BEST picture that you've taken in that
particular week? Or
(c) Do you bring up thumbnails of every picture that you've ever
taken, throw a dart at your monitor, and use the thumbnail that the
dart hits as your "picture of the week"? Or
(d) Do you use some other method or criteria for selection?
Mr.T - 27 Jun 2006 06:29 GMT
> > Well he refuses to answer WHY he thinks it's "picture of the week, so
> > I'd say he is not really interested in a constructive dialog.
>
> You'r not searching a constructive dialog.

I'm not the one declaring them picture of the week either.

> My website present various series of pictures.
> I show a different picture each week. Thats the
> point.
> Understood ?

Nope. There are billions of photo's on the net. What makes yours special?

MrT.
Mr.T - 23 Jun 2006 07:02 GMT
> Why talking about about "great pictures" ? I neverr talked
> about "great pictures". Tell me what is a great picture, and I'll
> answer you !

Aren't they the *exact* words you used twice in this post :

"Daniel Rocha" <drocha@magic.fr.invalid> wrote in message
news:449a18b5$1$3135$636a55ce@news.free.fr...
> Please show me great pictures to see what I must do
> to interest you.
> Perhaps if you show you'r own  pictures I can have an
> idea about great pictures !

MrT.
 
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