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from Douglas - 22 Feb 2006 06:48 GMT Gather round all you Canon deviats. The news is not as rosy for Canon as it might seem with the release of a 30D. Olympus have pulled a rabbit out of the hat which is yet to become the camera of choice for discerning shooters - with their E330 and the use of a N-MOS sensor.
Now these buggers have really good lenses Canon can only hope to imitate and don't need to have their pictures artificially sharpened in order to get a sharp picture.
The Nikon D200 is no slouch either in the sharp pictures with good lenses area. They too outshine 20Ds and 30Ds in every area except indoor sports photography - According to a reviewer. I guess that rules out using one of these suckers for anything else too, huh? Pity because they are head and sholders above Canon's offering - especially when it rains!
This is the year Canon will encounter some stiff opposition from makers who know all about building reliable, state of the art cameras.
So... To avoid getting trampled in the rush to other brands. All you Canonites need to consider changing this group's name so you can keep on going on about how your worshiped brand is so far ahead of the rest.
Maybe one day someone will produce a photograph that absolutely could not have been taken with any other brand camera than your fabled Canon and all the rest of us with independent ideas who happily own and take pictures with other brands of cameras can then look on in amazement as you reap the acolades and rewards from your purchase. Mean time, we'll just keep taking pictures!
 Signature Trolls are the evil of the Internet, don't feed them and they'll look elsewhere for their gratification...
Rob - 22 Feb 2006 06:54 GMT Douglas WHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Gather round all you Canon deviats. The news is not as rosy for Canon as it > might seem with the release of a 30D. Olympus have pulled a rabbit out of [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > acolades and rewards from your purchase. Mean time, we'll just keep taking > pictures! Avery - 22 Feb 2006 06:58 GMT >Gather round all you Canon deviats. The news is not as rosy for Canon as it >might seem with the release of a 30D. Olympus have pulled a rabbit out of [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >acolades and rewards from your purchase. Mean time, we'll just keep taking >pictures! Where's the free print you promised me a month ago?
Douglas - 22 Feb 2006 22:07 GMT : Where's the free print you promised me a month ago? Send your name and a street address to get it. So far 4 people asked for one and none complied with that requirement. If you were serious, you would have contacted me, wouldn't you?
Avery - 22 Feb 2006 22:53 GMT >: Where's the free print you promised me a month ago? > >Send your name and a street address to get it. So far 4 people asked for one >and none complied with that requirement. If you were serious, you would have >contacted me, wouldn't you? I used the link on your website. I sent my name, address and telephone number and I think my email. You have not replied to any of them.
Post a working link and I will send them again.
Douglas - 22 Feb 2006 23:45 GMT : >: Where's the free print you promised me a month ago? : > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : Post a working link and I will send them again. requestaprint - at - canvasphotos - dot - com - dot - au
Douglas - 23 Feb 2006 21:59 GMT : >: Where's the free print you promised me a month ago? This is a curious post. When I look to see why "Avery" hasn't sent his name and address to me in the past or after providing an address for him recently, in order to get a sample print, I discover his news server is banned from posting to some groups who require identifying information. "X-headers" from posters and posting to these news groups using a mail server is forbidden.
Easy new sent the original message using a mail2new server which are rapidly being banned buy newer groups hosts. Avery is a troll of the worst order. Hiding behind an anonymous server, taking pot shots in the belief he can't be identified. He's wrong, like all the other before him.
Interesting stuff when you probe the source:
Easynews takes your privacy seriously. We have one of the most aggressive privacy policies in the industry. Easynews does not monitor or log downloads. No identifying information is placed in your Usenet posts. Your posts are virtually anonymous with all X-Headers removed.
What do these children hope to gain by this sort of behaviour? There's another shot at the end of this thread from (I presume) the same person who posted the same question in another group while hiding behind Google and never bothered to provide his identity either.
Curious world we live in. Conscription got rid of these idiots in my day. A few days in the jungle and a couple of rounds fired in anger from a Chinese made AK47 soon changed their attitude. You can't expect a playstation to have the same effect, I guess.
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2006 11:30 GMT Mostly offtopic. But why am I apologising? If you are browsing this thread, you must be crazy!!
Douglas waxed lyrical:
>When I look to see why "Avery" hasn't sent his name >and address to me in the past or after providing an address >for him recently, in order to get a sample print, I discover >his news server is banned What a load of &@!!$#!#. Obviously the name and address he sent was via an emailed response to your website - so how he posts here is clearly irrelevant, *even* if what you say were true. (And I'll lay a hefty bet it is the usual lies. - Please come back and comment Avery?) A quick browse over other posts by Avery shows he is definitely no troll.. But nice try, Douglas. How will you next try to avoid posting anything out?
Of course we expected this - as soon as Douglas is 'called', the excuses come thick and fast. Look at all the replies to this thread, Dougie. No-one supports you, you are a laughingstock. We've seen all your tricks before - the 30 (at last count) different identities, the highly supportive posts about yourself (like the recent lame 'gogo dancer' efforts), the stupid (and easily proven false) claims about your enlarging skills, the magical algorithm used by a multitude of companies you won't name, the completely non-existent 'printing franchises' that have attracted so much 'Asian interest'. Then there are the web postings that instantly vanish when the truth comes out, for example how you cheat and deceive with claims of 'detailed' views of 'enlargements' actually being proven to be reductions, or simply images that show deplorable lack of ability.
You are a fake and a charlatan, and even a cursory check of postings under your names shows that to be true - which is why so many folk are now sick to death of you. (see below for list of Douglas MacDonald aliases).
Avery, I can almost guarantee you will not see any samples, and if you do, they will prove nothing, except perhaps that he can do pretty little samples. (As can any idiot with a half decent printer....)
Tell us Douglas, what about the others who requested samples? Same excuse? Note - the next excuse will probably be "I only give them to people who are qualified to judge.." (O:
And keep an eye out for the next Douglas identity - so far the count includes: ryadia technoAussie auspics big guy ormiston sebastian po doug douglas douglas macdonald stool pigeon duncan donald an interested bystander one million pics one million pictures alan jones alienjones alienjones himself alvie the yowie bigpix pix on canvas the administrator pixby henretta joe bailey graham hunt healthypcs random user 12987 MoioM go go dancer ('Maddy')
... have I missed any, Doug?
:O) Avery - 24 Feb 2006 22:56 GMT >Mostly offtopic. But why am I apologising? If you are browsing this >thread, you must be crazy!! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >troll.. But nice try, Douglas. How will you next try to avoid posting >anything out? <snip>
My news server is banned . Easynews is banned?? How does that work.
I use Bigpond cable as my ISP and for email and Easynews as my newsserver. If he has banned those two then he will be missing an awful lot of traffic.
I have been to Douglas' site only the once that I know of and that was to leave my name and address. Or does he mean that he has just banned me for being so forward as to take up his offer?
Very strange.
Douglas - 25 Feb 2006 01:19 GMT > Mostly offtopic. But why am I apologising? If you are browsing this > thread, you must be crazy!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > :O) Same Troll, different disguise
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2006 07:40 GMT >Same Troll, different disguise Hi, 'Tropical Treat'. Who is next?
By the way most folks would have realised by now, that if you stop posting *crap*, no-one will haunt you....
Dave E - 22 Feb 2006 07:25 GMT <snip>
I'm constantly amazed at this type of mentality. "I have to ditch my brand/model X because it has been surpassed by brand/model Y". As if there are more than a handful who ever reach the photographic limits of their gear. Whatever happened to technique and arduous practice. Working to find images worth capturing for most would-be photographers would be a great start. A lot of people are shooting a lot of crap with fancy gear.
This mentality is the lead thinking that is driving supposed 'progress' in photographic equipment, and IMHO largely at the expense of decent image capture. For my money, an old Nikon FG with decent glass in the right hands will always produce better images than the most expensive 14 Mpix gear in the wrong hands, and there is enough evidence to suggest that many out there, even those calling themselves pros should be trying to develop the 'right hands'. It's like watching some kid bunny-hop dad's Porsche 911 Turbo up the street (saw it the other day).
Sure, if you are a pro sports photographer then you'll probably want Canon with 300 f/2.8 at least. I'm not a sports photographer but have made enough out of one motorsports shoot using a D100 with 80-400 VR to pay for the lens several times. Almost every other pro shooter out there bagged me for even trying with my ill-equipped gear but you draw on your skillbase and go for it. Some of these 'experts' had terrible images - pity their clients. As I've said before, I'm no guru or fine art specialist, but I have put in the hard yards, mostly with very old Nikon equipment which is still making me proud today.
Clearly this is the way of this new electronic world. Constant 'updates' are necessary and people will always have to have the latest gear with the newest buzzwords.
Anyway, that's quite enough rambling from me. As I re-read the above, I feel that perhaps at 38 I'm becoming a bit cantankerous and may feature in "Grumpy Old Men" sooner rather than later! :-)
Happy shooting, Dave E (Sydney)
Andrew Hennell - 22 Feb 2006 10:18 GMT > Anyway, that's quite enough rambling from me. As I re-read the above, I > feel that perhaps at 38 I'm becoming a bit cantankerous and may feature in > "Grumpy Old Men" sooner rather than later! :-) I'll join you in a moment!
The upgrade thing happened with film bodies too. How quickly we rushed out for the latest/greatest - some to stay with it, some to revert back to their beloved previous bodies. Yeah the F100 is nice, but I reverted to my F90x bodies and sold the F100. But then I still use my FM & F3 (when I'm not feeling lazy) and love them. [shrug]
But in digital terms, why upgrade? I've been using an 'old' Olympus E10 (4mp 5+yrs old) on a daily basis for newspaper work, and have been printed fullpage tabloid without a problem. Oh sure the 300D's in the office are newer, lighter & have more pixels, but the E10 was a solid reliable workhorse which is nice when you're jumping in & out of cattle yards with it. Lucky the others like the canons, leaves the E10 sitting on the shelf for me :)
Dave E - 22 Feb 2006 12:02 GMT >> Anyway, that's quite enough rambling from me. As I re-read the above, I >> feel that perhaps at 38 I'm becoming a bit cantankerous and may feature [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > when you're jumping in & out of cattle yards with it. Lucky the others > like the canons, leaves the E10 sitting on the shelf for me :) Good to hear mate! That practical perspective will serve you well my friend.
A friend of mine was a senior photographer for Fairfax (many here would probably know Ton) for a lot of years - 35 I think, and he tells great stories of all the work he did in tough conditions, shooting celebs at the hairy-port, no metering, camera on self-timer on top of the tripod held above his head etc.
Ton's shots, mostly portraiture would shame many of us here (myself included of course) with gear that they would never have dreamed of back in those days.
Wonderful stuff. He just knows metering, light levels etc. and his exposures are to die for. A real inspiration to really learn about EV + exposure settings, DoF etc. - try to make it all instinctive. This takes a lot of film. For me, if a button-press costs about $1, I will make the most of it. My poor old D100 is currently collecting dust magnificently and won't be coming on my India trip in a couple of weeks...
Cheers, Dave (Grumpy) E! (Sydney)
alx - 22 Feb 2006 12:18 GMT yeah but Dave you were shootin' HaHaHondas so fast action was certainly not at stake..
(waits for Landscape photography snipe re: Trumpys)
> <snip> <snip>
> with 300 f/2.8 at least. I'm not a sports photographer but have made > enough out of one motorsports shoot using a D100 with 80-400 VR to pay for > the lens several times. Almost every other pro shooter out there bagged > me for even Dave E - 22 Feb 2006 12:49 GMT Bloody Trumpy riders...
:-) I'm up for that latte next week though... hehe
DJE
> yeah but Dave you were shootin' HaHaHondas so fast action was certainly > not at stake.. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> for the lens several times. Almost every other pro shooter out there >> bagged me for even VS - 22 Feb 2006 23:57 GMT > This mentality is the lead thinking that is driving supposed 'progress' in > photographic equipment, And I'm all for it. Especially when it means I can pick up a second hand Rollei for a song. :-)
> and IMHO largely at the expense of decent image > capture. Yes, but it doesn't matter. The new model will fix all the shortcommings that the current model has. Honest, guv.
As long as people buy into this, there's a thriving second-hand market where you can get cheap equipment that will last you for a long time.
> For my money, an old Nikon FG with decent glass in the right hands > will always produce better images than the most expensive 14 Mpix gear in > the wrong hands, and there is enough evidence to suggest that many out > there, even those calling themselves pros should be trying to develop the > 'right hands'. It's like watching some kid bunny-hop dad's Porsche 911 > Turbo up the street (saw it the other day). I'll stick to my Olympus OM-3 and OM-4Ti.
As to the kid driving a 911 Turbo: ouch. I feel sorry for the car.
Cheers,
Saso
Graham Fountain - 22 Feb 2006 12:09 GMT >Trolls are the evil of the Internet, don't feed them and >they'll look elsewhere for their gratification... Kind of an ironic way to finish off your post don't you think?
Douglas - 22 Feb 2006 22:12 GMT : >Trolls are the evil of the Internet, don't feed them and : >they'll look elsewhere for their gratification... : : Kind of an ironic way to finish off your post don't you think? If you have nothing to contribute to the thread, your post is just troll bait. Think about that, Graham.
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 23 Feb 2006 11:01 GMT In my opinion, posters who use this "expired in 7-days" method should be ignored. However, I'll make an exception....
Douglas - how is 'Go Go Dancer'? (For those not in the know, 'Go Go', or 'maddy' as s/he calls him/herself, is Douglas' most recent sockpuppet. This is identity number 24 to date, but I've probably missed a few...) And where are those samples? It wasn't just Avery. You seem to lose people's emails very frequently.. when it suits you..
Avery, please report back here when you get the samples and let us know what you think - in particular whether they show exceptional enlargability as Douglas claims.
:O) This is among the stupidest posts I've ever read anyway. It simply reflects the rather well-known fact that Douglas bought a couple of Canons, couldn't work out how to drive them, and as usual, blamed the equipment. And then he dropped digital entirely, so he said.... the sad story is here:
http://tinyurl.com/kof23
For anyone near Brisbane you can view Douglas' expertise, and thereafter judge how seriously to take his opinions, by visiting the Redland Times office, at 135 Queen Street, Cleveland, (Mon-Fri 9to5 I think) to see his masterpiece of enlargement - the surf fisher directly over the back wall of the office. Then you will begin to understand (hint - it's not good....). Alternatively, visit the Cleveland craft markets on Sundays. Right, Douglas? Look for the stand without a name on it, go up and have a good look at the enlargements....... Actually, some aren't all *that* bad! But is he the skilful digital imager that he claims, who can, and I quote - "Enlarge digital images with more detail than the original"...?
You tell me.. (O: In my opinion he is a person with a bit more money (and mouth) than talent, and nothing he has ever posted has made me think differently. Strangely (O:, *everything* he has ever posted has been withdrawn, after it gets poor reviews.
And as a postscript - I am an Olympus fan and still have hope for the 4/3 system... but the E330, while an interesting camera, is *not* 'the one' that will do it. And if they don't come up with the goods (ie better real resolution and lower noise) within a year, I think the 4/3 system may well be doomed. I'm waiting, but not forever.
Original post follows ================= From: from Douglas - view profile Date: Wed, Feb 22 2006 4:48 pm Email: from Douglas <no....@nt.use.1> Groups: aus.photo Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Mar 1, 4:48 pm).
Gather round all you Canon deviats. The news is not as rosy for Canon as it might seem with the release of a 30D. Olympus have pulled a rabbit out of the hat which is yet to become the camera of choice for discerning shooters - with their E330 and the use of a N-MOS sensor.
Now these buggers have really good lenses Canon can only hope to imitate and don't need to have their pictures artificially sharpened in order to get a sharp picture.
The Nikon D200 is no slouch either in the sharp pictures with good lenses area. They too outshine 20Ds and 30Ds in every area except indoor sports photography - According to a reviewer. I guess that rules out using one of these suckers for anything else too, huh? Pity because they are head and sholders above Canon's offering - especially when it rains!
This is the year Canon will encounter some stiff opposition from makers who know all about building reliable, state of the art cameras.
So... To avoid getting trampled in the rush to other brands. All you Canonites need to consider changing this group's name so you can keep on going on about how your worshiped brand is so far ahead of the rest.
Maybe one day someone will produce a photograph that absolutely could not have been taken with any other brand camera than your fabled Canon and all the rest of us with independent ideas who happily own and take pictures with other brands of cameras can then look on in amazement as you reap the acolades and rewards from your purchase. Mean time, we'll just keep taking pictures!
-- Trolls are the evil of the Internet, don't feed them and they'll look elsewhere for their gratification...
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.. and yes, Douglas' signature is just a little ironic.
Douglas - 23 Feb 2006 21:27 GMT : In my opinion, posters who use this "expired in 7-days" method should : be ignored. However, I'll make an exception.... Mandy is fine thank you. Take your own advise troll. Posting from Google with an Optus account poses the question why, when Optus provide a news server to all the groups you stalk me in, would you find it so much more convenient to use Google? Not to avoid having your account terminated for your activities, is it?
Get a life troll. You sure as hell don't have one here.
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