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from Douglas - 22 Feb 2006 06:48 GMT
Gather round all you Canon deviats. The news is not as rosy for Canon as it
might seem with the release of a 30D. Olympus have pulled a rabbit out of
the hat which is yet to become the camera of choice for discerning shooters
- with their E330 and the use of a N-MOS sensor.

Now these buggers have really good lenses Canon can only hope to imitate
and don't need to have their pictures artificially sharpened in order to
get a sharp picture.

The Nikon D200 is no slouch either in the sharp pictures with good lenses
area. They too outshine 20Ds and 30Ds in every area except indoor sports
photography - According to a reviewer. I guess that rules out using one of
these suckers for anything else too, huh? Pity because they are head and
sholders above Canon's offering - especially when it rains!

This is the year Canon will encounter some stiff opposition from makers who
know all about building reliable, state of the art cameras.

So... To avoid getting trampled in the rush to other brands. All you
Canonites need to consider changing this group's name so you can keep on
going on about how your worshiped brand is so far ahead of the rest.

Maybe one day someone will produce a photograph that absolutely could not
have been taken with any other brand camera than your fabled Canon and all
the rest of us with independent ideas who happily own and take pictures
with other brands of cameras can then look on in amazement as you reap the
acolades and rewards from your purchase. Mean time, we'll just keep taking
pictures!

Signature

Trolls are the evil of the Internet, don't feed them and
they'll look elsewhere for their gratification...

Rob - 22 Feb 2006 06:54 GMT
Douglas WHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Gather round all you Canon deviats. The news is not as rosy for Canon as it
> might seem with the release of a 30D. Olympus have pulled a rabbit out of
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> acolades and rewards from your purchase. Mean time, we'll just keep taking
> pictures!
Avery - 22 Feb 2006 06:58 GMT
>Gather round all you Canon deviats. The news is not as rosy for Canon as it
>might seem with the release of a 30D. Olympus have pulled a rabbit out of
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>acolades and rewards from your purchase. Mean time, we'll just keep taking
>pictures!

Where's  the free  print you promised me a month ago?
Douglas - 22 Feb 2006 22:07 GMT
: Where's  the free  print you promised me a month ago?

Send your name and a street address to get it. So far 4 people asked for one
and none complied with that requirement. If you were serious, you would have
contacted me, wouldn't you?
Avery - 22 Feb 2006 22:53 GMT
>: Where's  the free  print you promised me a month ago?
>
>Send your name and a street address to get it. So far 4 people asked for one
>and none complied with that requirement. If you were serious, you would have
>contacted me, wouldn't you?

I used the link on your website. I sent my name, address and telephone
number and I think my email. You have not replied to any of them.

Post a working link and I will send them again.
Douglas - 22 Feb 2006 23:45 GMT
: >: Where's  the free  print you promised me a month ago?
: >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
:
: Post a working link and I will send them again.

requestaprint - at - canvasphotos - dot - com - dot - au
Douglas - 23 Feb 2006 21:59 GMT
: >: Where's  the free  print you promised me a month ago?

This is a curious post. When I look to see why "Avery" hasn't sent his name
and address to me in the past or after providing an address for him
recently, in order to get a sample print, I discover his news server is
banned from posting to some groups who require identifying information.
"X-headers" from posters and posting to these news groups using a mail
server is forbidden.

Easy new sent the original message using a mail2new server which are rapidly
being banned buy newer groups hosts. Avery is a troll of the worst order.
Hiding behind an anonymous server, taking pot shots in the belief he can't
be identified. He's wrong, like all the other before him.

Interesting stuff when you probe the source:

Easynews takes your privacy seriously. We have one of the most aggressive
privacy policies in the industry.
Easynews does not monitor or log downloads.
No identifying information is placed in your Usenet posts.
Your posts are virtually anonymous with all X-Headers removed.

What do these children hope to gain by this sort of behaviour? There's
another shot at the end of this thread from (I presume) the same person who
posted the same question in another group while hiding behind Google and
never bothered to provide his identity either.

Curious world we live in. Conscription got rid of these idiots in my day. A
few days in the jungle and a couple of rounds fired in anger from a Chinese
made AK47 soon changed their attitude. You can't expect a playstation to
have the same effect, I guess.
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2006 11:30 GMT
Mostly offtopic.  But why am I apologising?  If you are browsing this
thread, you must be crazy!!

Douglas waxed lyrical:
>When I look to see why "Avery" hasn't sent his name
>and address to me in the past or after providing an address
>for him recently, in order to get a sample print, I discover
>his news server is banned

What a load of &@!!$#!#.  Obviously the name and address he sent was
via an emailed response to your website - so how he posts here is
clearly irrelevant, *even* if what you say were true.  (And I'll lay a
hefty bet it is the usual lies. - Please come back and comment Avery?)
A quick browse over other posts by Avery shows he is definitely no
troll..  But nice try, Douglas.  How will you next try to avoid posting
anything out?

Of course we expected this - as soon as Douglas is 'called', the
excuses come thick and fast. Look at all the replies to this thread,
Dougie.  No-one supports you, you are a laughingstock. We've seen all
your tricks before - the 30 (at last count) different identities, the
highly supportive posts about yourself (like the recent lame 'gogo
dancer' efforts), the stupid (and easily proven false) claims about
your enlarging skills, the magical algorithm used by a multitude of
companies you won't name, the completely non-existent 'printing
franchises' that have attracted so much 'Asian interest'.  Then there
are the web postings that instantly vanish when the truth comes out,
for example how you cheat and deceive with claims of 'detailed' views
of 'enlargements' actually being proven to be reductions, or simply
images that show deplorable lack of ability.

You are a fake and a charlatan, and even a cursory check of postings
under your names shows that to be true  - which is why so many folk are
now sick to death of you.
(see below for list of Douglas MacDonald aliases).

Avery, I can almost guarantee you will not see any samples, and if you
do, they will prove nothing, except perhaps that he can do pretty
little samples.  (As can any idiot with a half decent printer....)

Tell us Douglas, what about the others who requested samples?  Same
excuse?  Note - the next excuse will probably be "I only give them to
people who are qualified to judge.."  (O:

And keep an eye out for the next Douglas identity - so far the count
includes:
ryadia
technoAussie
auspics
big guy
ormiston
sebastian po
doug
douglas
douglas macdonald
stool pigeon
duncan donald
an interested bystander
one million pics
one million pictures
alan jones
alienjones
alienjones himself
alvie
the yowie
bigpix
pix on canvas
the administrator
pixby
henretta
joe bailey
graham hunt
healthypcs
random user 12987
MoioM
go go dancer ('Maddy')

... have I missed any, Doug?

:O)
Avery - 24 Feb 2006 22:56 GMT
>Mostly offtopic.  But why am I apologising?  If you are browsing this
>thread, you must be crazy!!
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>troll..  But nice try, Douglas.  How will you next try to avoid posting
>anything out?

<snip>

My news server is banned . Easynews is banned?? How does that work.

I use Bigpond cable as my ISP and for email and Easynews as my
newsserver. If he has banned those two then he will be missing an
awful lot of traffic.

I have been to Douglas' site only the once that I know of and that was
to leave my name and address. Or does he mean that he has just banned
me for being so forward as to take up his offer?

Very strange.
Douglas - 25 Feb 2006 01:19 GMT
> Mostly offtopic.  But why am I apologising?  If you are browsing this
> thread, you must be crazy!!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> :O)

Same Troll, different disguise
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 25 Feb 2006 07:40 GMT
>Same Troll, different disguise

Hi, 'Tropical Treat'.  Who is next?

By the way most folks would have realised by now, that if you stop
posting *crap*, no-one will haunt you....
Dave E - 22 Feb 2006 07:25 GMT
<snip>

I'm constantly amazed at this type of mentality.  "I have to ditch my
brand/model X because it has been surpassed by brand/model Y".  As if there
are more than a handful who ever reach the photographic limits of their
gear.  Whatever happened to technique and arduous practice.  Working to find
images worth capturing for most would-be photographers would be a great
start.  A lot of people are shooting a lot of crap with fancy gear.

This mentality is the lead thinking that is driving supposed 'progress' in
photographic equipment, and IMHO largely at the expense of decent image
capture.  For my money, an old Nikon FG with decent glass in the right hands
will always produce better images than the most expensive 14 Mpix gear in
the wrong hands, and there is enough evidence to suggest that many out
there, even those calling themselves pros should be trying to develop the
'right hands'.  It's like watching some kid bunny-hop dad's Porsche 911
Turbo up the street (saw it the other day).

Sure, if you are a pro sports photographer then you'll probably want Canon
with 300 f/2.8 at least.  I'm not a sports photographer but have made enough
out of one motorsports shoot using a D100 with 80-400 VR to pay for the lens
several times.  Almost every other pro shooter out there bagged me for even
trying with my ill-equipped gear but you draw on your skillbase and go for
it.  Some of these 'experts' had terrible images - pity their clients.  As
I've said before, I'm no guru or fine art specialist, but I have put in the
hard yards, mostly with very old Nikon equipment which is still making me
proud today.

Clearly this is the way of this new electronic world.  Constant 'updates'
are necessary and people will always have to have the latest gear with the
newest buzzwords.

Anyway, that's quite enough rambling from me.  As I re-read the above, I
feel that perhaps at 38 I'm becoming a bit cantankerous and may feature in
"Grumpy Old Men" sooner rather than later!  :-)

Happy shooting,
Dave E (Sydney)
Andrew Hennell - 22 Feb 2006 10:18 GMT
> Anyway, that's quite enough rambling from me.  As I re-read the above, I
> feel that perhaps at 38 I'm becoming a bit cantankerous and may feature in
> "Grumpy Old Men" sooner rather than later!  :-)

I'll join you in a moment!

The upgrade thing happened with film bodies too.  How quickly we rushed
out for the latest/greatest - some to stay with it, some to revert back
to their beloved previous bodies.  Yeah the F100 is nice, but I reverted
to my F90x bodies and sold the F100. But then I still use my FM & F3
(when I'm not feeling lazy) and love them.  [shrug]

But in digital terms, why upgrade?
I've been using an 'old' Olympus E10 (4mp 5+yrs old) on a daily basis
for newspaper work, and have been printed fullpage tabloid without a
problem.  Oh sure the 300D's in the office are newer, lighter & have
more pixels, but the E10 was a solid reliable workhorse which is nice
when you're jumping in & out of cattle yards with it.  Lucky the others
like the canons, leaves the E10 sitting on the shelf for me :)
Dave E - 22 Feb 2006 12:02 GMT
>> Anyway, that's quite enough rambling from me.  As I re-read the above, I
>> feel that perhaps at 38 I'm becoming a bit cantankerous and may feature
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> when you're jumping in & out of cattle yards with it.  Lucky the others
> like the canons, leaves the E10 sitting on the shelf for me :)

Good to hear mate!  That practical perspective will serve you well my
friend.

A friend of mine was a senior photographer for Fairfax (many here would
probably know Ton) for a lot of years - 35 I think, and he tells great
stories of all the work he did in tough conditions, shooting celebs at the
hairy-port, no metering, camera on self-timer on top of the tripod held
above his head etc.

Ton's shots, mostly portraiture would shame many of us here (myself included
of course) with gear that they would never have dreamed of back in those
days.

Wonderful stuff.  He just knows metering, light levels etc. and his
exposures are to die for.  A real inspiration to really learn about EV +
exposure settings, DoF etc. - try to make it all instinctive.  This takes a
lot of film.  For me, if a button-press costs about $1, I will make the most
of it.  My poor old D100 is currently collecting dust magnificently and
won't be coming on my India trip in a couple of weeks...

Cheers,
Dave (Grumpy) E! (Sydney)
alx - 22 Feb 2006 12:18 GMT
yeah but Dave you were shootin' HaHaHondas so fast action was certainly not
at stake..

(waits for Landscape photography snipe re: Trumpys)

> <snip>

<snip>

> with 300 f/2.8 at least.  I'm not a sports photographer but have made
> enough out of one motorsports shoot using a D100 with 80-400 VR to pay for
> the lens several times.  Almost every other pro shooter out there bagged
> me for even
Dave E - 22 Feb 2006 12:49 GMT
Bloody Trumpy riders...

:-)

I'm up for that latte next week though... hehe

DJE

> yeah but Dave you were shootin' HaHaHondas so fast action was certainly
> not at stake..
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> for the lens several times.  Almost every other pro shooter out there
>> bagged me for even
VS - 22 Feb 2006 23:57 GMT
> This mentality is the lead thinking that is driving supposed 'progress' in
> photographic equipment,

And I'm all for it. Especially when it means I can pick up a second hand
Rollei for a song. :-)

>                         and IMHO largely at the expense of decent image
> capture.

Yes, but it doesn't matter. The new model will fix all the
shortcommings that the current model has. Honest, guv.

As long as people buy into this, there's a thriving second-hand market
where you can get cheap equipment that will last you for a long time.

>          For my money, an old Nikon FG with decent glass in the right hands
> will always produce better images than the most expensive 14 Mpix gear in
> the wrong hands, and there is enough evidence to suggest that many out
> there, even those calling themselves pros should be trying to develop the
> 'right hands'.  It's like watching some kid bunny-hop dad's Porsche 911
> Turbo up the street (saw it the other day).

I'll stick to my Olympus OM-3 and OM-4Ti.

As to the kid driving a 911 Turbo: ouch. I feel sorry for the car.

Cheers,

Saso
Graham Fountain - 22 Feb 2006 12:09 GMT
>Trolls are the evil of the Internet, don't feed them and
>they'll look elsewhere for their gratification...

Kind of an ironic way to finish off your post don't you think?
Douglas - 22 Feb 2006 22:12 GMT
: >Trolls are the evil of the Internet, don't feed them and
: >they'll look elsewhere for their gratification...
:
: Kind of an ironic way to finish off your post don't you think?

If you have nothing to contribute to the thread, your post is just troll
bait.
Think about that, Graham.
mark.thomas.7@gmail.com - 23 Feb 2006 11:01 GMT
In my opinion, posters who use this "expired in 7-days" method should
be ignored.  However, I'll make an exception....

Douglas - how is 'Go Go Dancer'?  (For those not in the know, 'Go Go',
or 'maddy' as s/he calls him/herself, is Douglas' most recent
sockpuppet.  This is identity number 24 to date, but I've probably
missed a few...)  And where are those samples?  It wasn't just Avery.
You seem to lose people's emails very frequently.. when it suits you..

Avery, please report back here when you get the samples and let us know
what you think - in particular whether they show exceptional
enlargability as Douglas claims.

:O)

This is among the stupidest posts I've ever read anyway.  It simply
reflects the rather well-known fact that Douglas bought a couple of
Canons, couldn't work out how to drive them, and as usual, blamed the
equipment.  And then he dropped digital entirely, so he said....  the
sad story is here:

http://tinyurl.com/kof23

For anyone near Brisbane you can view Douglas' expertise, and
thereafter judge how seriously to take his opinions, by visiting the
Redland Times office, at 135 Queen Street, Cleveland, (Mon-Fri 9to5 I
think) to see his masterpiece of enlargement - the surf fisher directly
over the back wall of the office.  Then you will begin to understand
(hint - it's not good....).  Alternatively, visit the Cleveland craft
markets on Sundays.  Right, Douglas?  Look for the stand without a name
on it, go up and have a good look at the enlargements....... Actually,
some aren't all *that* bad!  But is he the skilful digital imager that
he claims, who can, and I quote - "Enlarge digital images with more
detail than the original"...?

You tell me..  (O:  In my opinion he is a person with a bit more money
(and mouth) than talent, and nothing he has ever posted has made me
think differently.  Strangely (O:, *everything* he has ever posted has
been withdrawn, after it gets poor reviews.

And as a postscript - I am an Olympus fan and still have hope for the
4/3 system... but the E330, while an interesting camera, is *not* 'the
one' that will do it.  And if they don't come up with the goods (ie
better real resolution and lower noise) within a year, I think the 4/3
system may well be doomed. I'm waiting, but not forever.

Original post follows
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From:        from Douglas - view profile
Date:        Wed, Feb 22 2006 4:48 pm
Email:         from Douglas <no....@nt.use.1>
Groups:         aus.photo
Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Mar 1, 4:48 pm).

Gather round all you Canon deviats. The news is not as rosy for Canon
as it
might seem with the release of a 30D. Olympus have pulled a rabbit out
of
the hat which is yet to become the camera of choice for discerning
shooters
- with their E330 and the use of a N-MOS sensor.

Now these buggers have really good lenses Canon can only hope to
imitate
and don't need to have their pictures artificially sharpened in order
to
get a sharp picture.

The Nikon D200 is no slouch either in the sharp pictures with good
lenses
area. They too outshine 20Ds and 30Ds in every area except indoor
sports
photography - According to a reviewer. I guess that rules out using one
of
these suckers for anything else too, huh? Pity because they are head
and
sholders above Canon's offering - especially when it rains!

This is the year Canon will encounter some stiff opposition from makers
who
know all about building reliable, state of the art cameras.

So... To avoid getting trampled in the rush to other brands. All you
Canonites need to consider changing this group's name so you can keep
on
going on about how your worshiped brand is so far ahead of the rest.

Maybe one day someone will produce a photograph that absolutely could
not
have been taken with any other brand camera than your fabled Canon and
all
the rest of us with independent ideas who happily own and take pictures
with other brands of cameras can then look on in amazement as you reap
the
acolades and rewards from your purchase. Mean time, we'll just keep
taking
pictures!

--
Trolls are the evil of the Internet, don't feed them and
they'll look elsewhere for their gratification...

==================
end of original post

.. and yes, Douglas' signature is just a little ironic.
Douglas - 23 Feb 2006 21:27 GMT
: In my opinion, posters who use this "expired in 7-days" method should
: be ignored.  However, I'll make an exception....

Mandy is fine thank you.
Take your own advise troll. Posting from Google with an Optus account poses
the question why, when Optus provide a news server to all the groups you
stalk me in, would you find it so much more convenient to use Google? Not to
avoid having your account terminated for your activities, is it?

Get a life troll. You sure as hell don't have one here.
 
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