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and now it's konica/minolta that vanish...

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Noons - 20 Jan 2006 07:41 GMT
Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
haven't got to the end of January yet...
Michael - 20 Jan 2006 16:11 GMT
> Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
> Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
> haven't got to the end of January yet...

have you got a link to this ... i never heard about it, thats not good. :(
k - 20 Jan 2006 16:53 GMT
| > Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
| > Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
| > haven't got to the end of January yet...
|
| have you got a link to this ... i never heard about it, thats not good. :(

"Konica Minolta Holdings will withdraw from the camera and film businesses,
marking the end to one of the best known brands in the photography world.

As part of the surprise move, the Tokyo-based company said Thursday it will
sell a portion of its digital single lens reflex (SLR) camera assets to Sony
for an undisclosed sum and cease production of compact cameras by March of
this year.

The company said it will stop making photographic film and color paper by
March 2007, pulling out of a market in rapid decline due to the spread of
digital cameras, which store images digitally.

The world's third-largest maker of camera film after Eastman Kodak and Fuji
Photo Film had said in November that it would significantly downsize its
loss-making camera and film operations, but not completely shut them down.

"I wanted to put a clear end to the matter," Konica Minolta President Fumio
Iwai said at a press conference, where the company also announced that Iwai
would be replaced by Vice President Yoshikatsu Ota on April 1.

Konica Minolta said in November it expected to post a group net loss of
$407.9 million (47 billion yen) in the fiscal year that ends in March.

But the decision to completely pull the plug on the business caught analysts
and archrival Fuji Photo off guard.

Konica Minolta, created in August 2003 through the merger of Konica and
Minolta, has a long history in the camera and film markets, producing
Japan's first photographic paper in 1903 and the country's first color film
in 1940.

Following the news, Fuji Photo issued a press release saying it will
continue making traditional camera film.

JP Morgan analyst Hisashi Moriyama called Konica Minolta's move a "positive
surprise.I was also not expecting Iwai to step down. This is a bold move
rare among Japanese firms." He added that the decision could increase
pressure on Fuji to downsize its business.

"I think the stock will go up. The traditional camera and film businesses
were seen as a barrier to earnings growth and now it will be completely
gone."

By ditching the unprofitable operations, Iwai said the company could focus
resources on more promising areas such as color office copiers and LCD
materials, medical equipment and optical devices.

Sony and Konica Minolta formed an agreement in July to jointly develop
digital SLR cameras, which are generally more expensive and offer better
performance than point-and-shoot compact models, and typically use
interchangeable lenses.

Konica Minolta said it will continue to produce digital SLR camera bodies
and lenses for Sony based on its Maxxum/Dynax mount system, meaning that
current owners of those lenses will be able to use them on new digital SLR
models to be developed by Sony.

But the Konica Minolta brand will disappear, ending a legacy that started
when Konica introduced its first camera in 1903"
Dogfart - 21 Jan 2006 03:52 GMT
> The company said it will stop making photographic film and color paper by
> March 2007, pulling out of a market in rapid decline due to the spread of
> digital cameras, which store images digitally.

Shame out of film business.  IMHO best film at ASA200 for portraits.
Noons - 21 Jan 2006 12:15 GMT
> Shame out of film business.  IMHO best film at ASA200 for portraits.

and their digital stuff also goes.  To Sony, of course, but
nevertheless it's over for Minolta.  Bugger!
Jasen - 21 Jan 2006 21:06 GMT
>> Shame out of film business.  IMHO best film at ASA200 for portraits.
>
> and their digital stuff also goes.  To Sony, of course, but
> nevertheless it's over for Minolta.  Bugger!

No, not as you think.  Sony will be sticking to the KM mount and producing
DSLRs using the KM research and design team, so the look and functionality
should follow through.  KM owners needn't fear being able to add to their
system as I see it.  Sony wouldn't take it on if they thought it was a
complete waste of time.   With the marketing skills of Sony and their
resources they should do ok.
I've got a 7D and it's a beautiful piece of technology even if it is only
6MP.
POTD.com.au - 22 Jan 2006 01:42 GMT
>>> Shame out of film business.  IMHO best film at ASA200 for portraits.
>>
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> complete waste of time.   With the marketing skills of Sony and their
> resources they should do ok.

Agreed.

But what does this means for the other DSLR manufacturers who depend on Sony
for their sensors?

Will Sony keep the supply open, or will they put pressure on the other
manufactures with the hope of increasing their own DSLR sales?
Jasen - 22 Jan 2006 03:19 GMT
>>>> Shame out of film business.  IMHO best film at ASA200 for portraits.
>>>
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> Will Sony keep the supply open, or will they put pressure on the other
> manufactures with the hope of increasing their own DSLR sales?

Don't know.....athough I know what I'd do.  Put out my own DSLR with the
biggest chip or newest you-beauty features first before all the others.
That is what I think they might try.  That will be the leverage they need?
kosh - 22 Jan 2006 07:41 GMT
> But what does this means for the other DSLR manufacturers who depend on Sony
> for their sensors?
>
> Will Sony keep the supply open, or will they put pressure on the other
> manufactures with the hope of increasing their own DSLR sales?

were talking about Sony here right?!?

The company with chips in their batteries the camera checks is authentic
before powering up!

The company installing hidden and almost unremovalble copyright
protection software onto computers who play their disk... basically
without their knowledge and opening their computer to hacker attacks?!?

the company that just about had to be forced to allow their music on
i-tunes... and has burried it's head in the sand when it comes to
digital audio devices... unless it's theirs of course!?!

The company who's own sensors sparked huge problems for other
manufacturers who bought their sensors..... but was the last to adivse
the public of a problem!?!

yeah I'm sure they going to be completely open and willing to share
their latest technology! ... but hey!.... it's a SOny!

kosh
Jasen - 22 Jan 2006 10:52 GMT
>> But what does this means for the other DSLR manufacturers who depend on
>> Sony for their sensors?
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>
> kosh

I might be a bit wary, but hopeful that they will do the right thing in the
photographic world at least for their own customers....time will tell.
Rob - 22 Jan 2006 00:47 GMT
>>The company said it will stop making photographic film and color paper by
>>March 2007, pulling out of a market in rapid decline due to the spread of
>>digital cameras, which store images digitally.
>
> Shame out of film business.  IMHO best film at ASA200 for portraits.

Liked the 1600 asa - ever played golf?
Jeff R - 21 Jan 2006 00:11 GMT
> > Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
> > Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
> > haven't got to the end of January yet...

On this topic - does anyone know when Miranda will be releasing their dSLR?

--
Jeff R.
:-)
POTD.com.au - 21 Jan 2006 01:53 GMT
>> > Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
>> > Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
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> Jeff R.
> :-)

I hope they make a drop-in digital module for my TM Sensormat!  :-)
Jeff R - 21 Jan 2006 02:01 GMT
> >> > Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
> >> > Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
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>
> I hope they make a drop-in digital module for my TM Sensormat!  :-)

Siggghhhhhhh....
NikonF4 - 21 Jan 2006 11:01 GMT
>>>>Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
>>>>Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
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>>Jeff R.
>>:-)

About the same time Alpa do
kosh - 21 Jan 2006 10:20 GMT
>>>Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
>>>Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
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> Jeff R.
> :-)

maybe it would suit the bellows I have!

kosh
Keith Holley - 26 Jan 2006 00:19 GMT
>Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
>Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
>haven't got to the end of January yet...

Just like  Car makers taken over and disappear.   That is the trouble with
photgraphic world it is changing  and  new player are moving in on the
traditional players.   Konica Minolta  made damm fine film camera but
struggle in the new ditigal world like many of the traditional players. It
is not to Sony advantage trying to support a DSLR for a couple of reasons
1.  They are not a recognizise maker of DSLR camera bascily you may get in
the future a  rebadged  Konica Minolta.  
2.  DSLR is not Sony place in the Ditigal Camera market sure they will try
but as many of you know it is very selective market with  Canon and Nikon
ruling.
  There is very little return for other makers this is the reason why
Kodak got out selling DSLR and returned to making and selling the costumer
style ditigal camera.     Fuji is in the same boat as they are no longer a
dominate player as they where with films and paper remember the film war
with Kodak both are now struggling.   For the future I hope that Sony
(Konica Minolta), Canon, Nikon and Pentax get together an work out a
standard lens mount that is suitable for all.

As for Mini Labs in Australia are not effected because  the Noritsu mini
labs are looked after by  Kodak(Australia).

Keith
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Jasen - 26 Jan 2006 12:10 GMT
>>Darn!  That's both digital and film!  Gone to Sony.
>>Pretty soon there's gonna be only Pentax, Canon and Nikon left.  But we
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> 1.  They are not a recognizise maker of DSLR camera bascily you may get in
> the future a  rebadged  Konica Minolta.

Who cares where the camera comes from, a hell of a lot of DSLRs use Sony
CCDs!!  They have plenty of experience in cameras in general and the KM
design team is working on the new cameras.

> 2.  DSLR is not Sony place in the Ditigal Camera market sure they will try
> but as many of you know it is very selective market with  Canon and Nikon
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> (Konica Minolta), Canon, Nikon and Pentax get together an work out a
> standard lens mount that is suitable for all.

Doubt it.  A standard mount will never happen so long as there are
competitors.

> As for Mini Labs in Australia are not effected because  the Noritsu mini
> labs are looked after by  Kodak(Australia).
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