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NikonF4 up to his usual stunt (again!)

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Douglas... - 23 Oct 2005 06:44 GMT
This time it's an EOS 1 Canon.
partnerelijah is the alias he trades under. A Full on camera dealer
claiming it's just a "hobby" to avoid GST.

Puts things up for sale and pulls the plug 12 or 13 hours before the
end. David, you are a w.nker. Why do you do this and waste everyone's
time? Why don't you just stop listing on Ebay if you have no intention
of selling the goods? This is the 3rd time you've pulled this stunt on
something I was interested in. You lost me as a customer.

I'd have paid your "buy it now price if someone hadn't bid on it before
I saw it. It would have gone the distance too, if you hadn't been so
impatient (greedy?) and sold it at the camera market while it was up for
auction. You'd have gotten what you asked. Senseless stuff mate. But
then nothing you've ever done makes sense, does it?
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Douglas...
Specifications are good to read but
When it comes to judging Digital Cameras...
I'm in the "how do the pictures look" category.

Noons - 23 Oct 2005 13:13 GMT
> Puts things up for sale and pulls the plug 12 or 13 hours before the
> end.

<rant>

Man!  That really pisses me orf.  I've been on that same
ride twice in the last month.  Not from NF4 but someone
else.  It irked me so much, when the guy put his item
for sale again he didn't get one bid from me.
Sold for less than I'd have bid in the first go.

I've complained about this to ebay many times
before but talk about feedback?  Has anyone tried
to contact ebay Australia? The support mail is handled
by morons who hardly understand the Queen's language
and the company has an unlisted address and no phones.

I wonder: can I run a company like that as well, mr. ASC?
Fair go, we have to go through hoops to get a business going,
but these guys can get away with no registered office,
no phone lines, no contacts whatsoever, no ABN/ACN, in
simple words: legal murder.   And no one dares touch them.
Effing bloody marvelous!

</rant>
Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 13:36 GMT
> I wonder: can I run a company like that as well, mr. ASC?
> Fair go, we have to go through hoops to get a business going,
> but these guys can get away with no registered office,
> no phone lines, no contacts whatsoever, no ABN/ACN, in
> simple words: legal murder.   And no one dares touch them.
> Effing bloody marvelous!

No, you probably couldn't run a company like that.  Took me all of about
10 seconds to find they are registered and have an ABN/ACN.

Name      EBAY AUSTRALIA PTY LTD
ACN     088 004 406
ABN     44 088 004 406
Type     Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date     09/06/1999
Next Review Date     09/06/2006
Status     Registered
Locality of Registered Office     Sydney NSW 2000
Jurisdiction     Australian Securities & Investments Commission

If you feel like blowing some cash, you can also find full address
details, including those of the directors.

As you say - effing bloody marvelous!
Noons - 23 Oct 2005 13:46 GMT
> As you say - effing bloody marvelous!

Indeed.  Thanks.  You may also recall that no company
trading in Australia can do so without the address
and ABN/ACN being visible in all its public documents.
Including websites.  Which in the ebay.com.au website
are quite visible.  Not...
Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 14:03 GMT
> Indeed.  Thanks.  You may also recall that no company
> trading in Australia can do so without the address
> and ABN/ACN being visible in all its public documents.
> Including websites.  Which in the ebay.com.au website
> are quite visible.  Not...

Please cite your reference.  Financial providers are required to under
APRA guidelines, but I believed the 'jury was still out' regarding
websites as "official documents".

But as you are demonstrably incapable of doing so yourself, I have taken
the time to find the information on their website, and will now detail
the procedure so you can follow it at your leisure.

Step 1. Open 'www.ebay.com.au' in your preferred web browser.
Step 2. Scroll to the bottom of the page, and click on "About eBay"
Step 3. Look for the box that says "Contact Information".  In that box,
it says "Find out where our offices are located." The words "our
offices" are hyperlinks.
Step 4. Click on "our offices" (see Step 3 to locate them) and there are
their contact details.

[sigh]
Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 14:12 GMT
> Indeed.  Thanks.  You may also recall that no company
> trading in Australia can do so without the address
> and ABN/ACN being visible in all its public documents.
> Including websites.  Which in the ebay.com.au website
> are quite visible.  Not...

I do this only because the dogs are outside peeing and I have a moment
to spare before putting them, and then myself, to bed.

You may like to check with ASIC.  I did, and they don't mention websites
as a requirement for publishing an ACN/ABN.

Now I'm not a lawyer (if I was I'd charge you for the advice tonight),
but you can argue about websites all you like.  I've yet to see anything
that compels the publication of ACN/ABN on them, other than for
invoices/receipts/shopping cart style pages.

Anyway, fill ya boots.
taken from:
<http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic_pub.nsf/byheadline/Australian+Company+Numbers?o
pendocument
>

A company's ACN should appear on all of its 'public documents' and
'eligible negotiable instruments' [s.153]. The items on which it should
appear include:

   * all documents required to be lodged with ASIC;
   * statements of account, including invoices;
   * receipts (which are not machine-produced);
   * orders for goods and services;
   * business letterheads;
   * official company notices;
   * cheques, promissory notes and bills of exchange; and
   * written advertisements making a specific offer which is capable of
being accepted (such as by the completion of an order form).

If a company's name appears on two or more pages of a document or
instrument, the ACN must be shown on the first of those pages following
the company's name.

Where a number of separate companies are listed on a document (eg, a
letterhead) the ACN of each should appear and in such a way that makes
clear the company to which each ACN relates.

While there are no specific requirements as to how an ACN should appear
on a document, it should be clear, easily readable, and obvious as to
the company to which it relates.

The ACN should be identified by the words 'Australian Company Number',
or by the abbreviations 'ACN' or 'A.C.N.'.

Australian Business Number
If your company has an Australian Business Number (ABN), you may use the
ABN with your company's name in place of the ACN on company documents
and negotiable instruments, provided that:

   * your ABN includes your nine digit ACN; and
   * the quotation of the ABN is effected in the same manner in which
quotation of the ACN would normally occur. (For example, a company is
required to place its ACN with its name on the first page where that
name appears in a document).

For further information about the legal requirements in relation to
Australian Business Numbers, contact the Australian Taxation Office.
Noons - 23 Oct 2005 15:58 GMT
> I do this only because the dogs are outside peeing and I have a moment
> to spare before putting them, and then myself, to bed.

Make sure you preserve that order, otherwise
it's bloody uncomfy...  ;)

> You may like to check with ASIC.  I did, and they don't mention websites
> as a requirement for publishing an ACN/ABN.

and yet when I asked them in 2000, they
said I had to put the ACN of my company
in my website. You'll also find all that
information in just about every website
of Australian companies. Few exceptions.
ebay is one of them. Funny that, eh?
Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 22:17 GMT
> You'll also find all that
> information in just about every website
> of Australian companies. Few exceptions.

[shrug] most Australians eat McDonalds - your point?

> ebay is one of them. Funny that, eh?

nothing compelling them to post that information on their website - they
(to me) appear to be entirely within the law.  Infact, the purpose of
registration, registers, trading names, etc is so people CAN find
details of businesses when required.

I think you're just pissed you missed an auction or two ;)
Noons - 24 Oct 2005 08:37 GMT
> [shrug] most Australians eat McDonalds - your point?

I don't.

> I think you're just pissed you missed an auction or two ;)

Akshally, I haven't.  ;)
kosh - 23 Oct 2005 22:23 GMT
>>I do this only because the dogs are outside peeing and I have a moment
>>to spare before putting them, and then myself, to bed.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> of Australian companies. Few exceptions.
> ebay is one of them. Funny that, eh?

Me thinks you are an idealist living in a non-ideal world. (much like
myself really)

If every company stuk to the letter of the law, we would never see
advertising with prices excluding gst. I just got 4 quotes for
re-stumping.. only one included GST... that's illegal !

you would also never see "we'll pay the GST" type ads.... yet they
proliferate.

Australian regulators only seem to regulate when it suits them, or if it
is an issue that has attracted some attention.

I was a privacy officer for a large photo retailer. Having watched
rulings etc. for other businesses... you just about have to advertise
personal details on a billboard for the authority to have any teeth!

at the end of the day... all they will say is you have the power to not
do business with e-bay.... real helpful!
Noons - 24 Oct 2005 08:47 GMT
> Me thinks you are an idealist living in a non-ideal world. (much like
> myself really)

Yeah, maybe.  But it won't stop me from
having a good whinge.  Aw crap, what's the fun
in not doing it?  ;)

> I was a privacy officer for a large photo retailer. Having watched
> rulings etc. for other businesses... you just about have to advertise
> personal details on a billboard for the authority to have any teeth!

If there is one thing that pisses me off with these privacy
laws is having to get my wife with me every time I call my
bank's customer service: apparently, because we have lived
together for > 30 years and still do, each one of us is highly
suspicious of trying to rob the other.  So according to the
bank and its "privacy laws", we have to call together.

They had the gall to send me a letter a while ago asking
why I had not accepted their loan offers.  4 letter words
were used in the reply.

> at the end of the day... all they will say is you have the power to not
> do business with e-bay.... real helpful!

Yup.  Pity there is little choice, otherwise it's exactly
what I'd do.
Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 13:42 GMT
> I wonder: can I run a company like that as well, mr. ASC?
> Fair go, we have to go through hoops to get a business going,
> but these guys can get away with no registered office,
> no phone lines, no contacts whatsoever, no ABN/ACN, in
> simple words: legal murder.   And no one dares touch them.
> Effing bloody marvelous!

How's it feel to shoot yourself in both feet?

A futher 10 seconds with whitepages.com.au revealed...

eBay Australia & New Zealand Pty Limited     
Level 10/ 45 Market St Sydney 2000
    (02) 8280 6400
Fax    (02) 8280 6455

Damn - so for half a minute I found an ABN/ACN, an address, phone and
fax, and all freely available with no effort whatsoever.
simple words: do your homework.

:)
Noons - 23 Oct 2005 13:51 GMT
> Damn - so for half a minute I found an ABN/ACN, an address, phone and
> fax, and all freely available with no effort whatsoever.
> simple words: do your homework.

Try finding all that in their web sites?
Where by law they must be?
NikonF4 - 23 Oct 2005 14:19 GMT
Douglas... whined:

Give me your address, I will send you 40c so you can call your mum.
Douglas... - 23 Oct 2005 22:41 GMT
> Douglas... whined:
>
> Give me your address, I will send you 40c so you can call your mum.

No doubt about it. You have the attitude to go with your actions...

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Douglas...
Specifications are good to read but
When it comes to judging Digital Cameras...
I'm in the "how do the pictures look" category.

Jasen - 24 Oct 2005 00:07 GMT
> Douglas... whined:
>
> Give me your address, I will send you 40c so you can call your mum.

I've never done business with you, and now I never will, and you are stupid
enough to behave like this publically to reinforce the issue about
yourself......fool.
[BnH] - 24 Oct 2005 03:16 GMT
There are still Australian_photographer_population - 2 that still wants to
do business with him.

still ok :)

> I've never done business with you, and now I never will, and you are
> stupid
> enough to behave like this publically to reinforce the issue about
> yourself......fool.
Douglas... - 24 Oct 2005 05:09 GMT
> There are still Australian_photographer_population - 2 that still wants to
> do business with him.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>enough to behave like this publically to reinforce the issue about
>>yourself......fool.

No doubt at all those of the aluminum skull cap brigade will always do
business with him. You are known not only by your actions but by the
company you keep. Did you know that?

At least for the time being, I get to say who I'll trust a description
from and decide what the value of (if any) warranty I'm likely to get
might be before I commit hundreds of dollars to that trust ...From here
it's zero on all fronts for you and him.

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Douglas...
Specifications are good to read but
When it comes to judging Digital Cameras...
I'm in the "how do the pictures look" category.

[BnH] - 24 Oct 2005 08:49 GMT
"Douglas..." <canvaspix@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

> No doubt at all those of the aluminum skull cap brigade will always do
> business with him. You are known not only by your actions but by the
> company you keep. Did you know that?

<-- me ? Dave company ? err .. not this Dave. Don't know you Doug , don't
know Dave.

> At least for the time being, I get to say who I'll trust a description
> from and decide what the value of (if any) warranty I'm likely to get
> might be before I commit hundreds of dollars to that trust ...From here
> it's zero on all fronts for you and him.

<-- err ok . as you wish. I am not in the photo business anyway :D

> I'm in the "how do the pictures look" category.
 
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