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NikonF4 up to his usual stunt (again!)
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Douglas... - 23 Oct 2005 06:44 GMT This time it's an EOS 1 Canon. partnerelijah is the alias he trades under. A Full on camera dealer claiming it's just a "hobby" to avoid GST.
Puts things up for sale and pulls the plug 12 or 13 hours before the end. David, you are a w.nker. Why do you do this and waste everyone's time? Why don't you just stop listing on Ebay if you have no intention of selling the goods? This is the 3rd time you've pulled this stunt on something I was interested in. You lost me as a customer.
I'd have paid your "buy it now price if someone hadn't bid on it before I saw it. It would have gone the distance too, if you hadn't been so impatient (greedy?) and sold it at the camera market while it was up for auction. You'd have gotten what you asked. Senseless stuff mate. But then nothing you've ever done makes sense, does it?
 Signature Douglas... Specifications are good to read but When it comes to judging Digital Cameras... I'm in the "how do the pictures look" category.
Noons - 23 Oct 2005 13:13 GMT > Puts things up for sale and pulls the plug 12 or 13 hours before the > end. <rant>
Man! That really pisses me orf. I've been on that same ride twice in the last month. Not from NF4 but someone else. It irked me so much, when the guy put his item for sale again he didn't get one bid from me. Sold for less than I'd have bid in the first go.
I've complained about this to ebay many times before but talk about feedback? Has anyone tried to contact ebay Australia? The support mail is handled by morons who hardly understand the Queen's language and the company has an unlisted address and no phones.
I wonder: can I run a company like that as well, mr. ASC? Fair go, we have to go through hoops to get a business going, but these guys can get away with no registered office, no phone lines, no contacts whatsoever, no ABN/ACN, in simple words: legal murder. And no one dares touch them. Effing bloody marvelous!
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Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 13:36 GMT > I wonder: can I run a company like that as well, mr. ASC? > Fair go, we have to go through hoops to get a business going, > but these guys can get away with no registered office, > no phone lines, no contacts whatsoever, no ABN/ACN, in > simple words: legal murder. And no one dares touch them. > Effing bloody marvelous! No, you probably couldn't run a company like that. Took me all of about 10 seconds to find they are registered and have an ABN/ACN.
Name EBAY AUSTRALIA PTY LTD ACN 088 004 406 ABN 44 088 004 406 Type Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares Registration Date 09/06/1999 Next Review Date 09/06/2006 Status Registered Locality of Registered Office Sydney NSW 2000 Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission
If you feel like blowing some cash, you can also find full address details, including those of the directors.
As you say - effing bloody marvelous!
Noons - 23 Oct 2005 13:46 GMT > As you say - effing bloody marvelous! Indeed. Thanks. You may also recall that no company trading in Australia can do so without the address and ABN/ACN being visible in all its public documents. Including websites. Which in the ebay.com.au website are quite visible. Not...
Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 14:03 GMT > Indeed. Thanks. You may also recall that no company > trading in Australia can do so without the address > and ABN/ACN being visible in all its public documents. > Including websites. Which in the ebay.com.au website > are quite visible. Not... Please cite your reference. Financial providers are required to under APRA guidelines, but I believed the 'jury was still out' regarding websites as "official documents".
But as you are demonstrably incapable of doing so yourself, I have taken the time to find the information on their website, and will now detail the procedure so you can follow it at your leisure.
Step 1. Open 'www.ebay.com.au' in your preferred web browser. Step 2. Scroll to the bottom of the page, and click on "About eBay" Step 3. Look for the box that says "Contact Information". In that box, it says "Find out where our offices are located." The words "our offices" are hyperlinks. Step 4. Click on "our offices" (see Step 3 to locate them) and there are their contact details.
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Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 14:12 GMT > Indeed. Thanks. You may also recall that no company > trading in Australia can do so without the address > and ABN/ACN being visible in all its public documents. > Including websites. Which in the ebay.com.au website > are quite visible. Not... I do this only because the dogs are outside peeing and I have a moment to spare before putting them, and then myself, to bed.
You may like to check with ASIC. I did, and they don't mention websites as a requirement for publishing an ACN/ABN.
Now I'm not a lawyer (if I was I'd charge you for the advice tonight), but you can argue about websites all you like. I've yet to see anything that compels the publication of ACN/ABN on them, other than for invoices/receipts/shopping cart style pages.
Anyway, fill ya boots. taken from: <http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic_pub.nsf/byheadline/Australian+Company+Numbers?o pendocument>
A company's ACN should appear on all of its 'public documents' and 'eligible negotiable instruments' [s.153]. The items on which it should appear include:
* all documents required to be lodged with ASIC; * statements of account, including invoices; * receipts (which are not machine-produced); * orders for goods and services; * business letterheads; * official company notices; * cheques, promissory notes and bills of exchange; and * written advertisements making a specific offer which is capable of being accepted (such as by the completion of an order form).
If a company's name appears on two or more pages of a document or instrument, the ACN must be shown on the first of those pages following the company's name.
Where a number of separate companies are listed on a document (eg, a letterhead) the ACN of each should appear and in such a way that makes clear the company to which each ACN relates.
While there are no specific requirements as to how an ACN should appear on a document, it should be clear, easily readable, and obvious as to the company to which it relates.
The ACN should be identified by the words 'Australian Company Number', or by the abbreviations 'ACN' or 'A.C.N.'.
Australian Business Number If your company has an Australian Business Number (ABN), you may use the ABN with your company's name in place of the ACN on company documents and negotiable instruments, provided that:
* your ABN includes your nine digit ACN; and * the quotation of the ABN is effected in the same manner in which quotation of the ACN would normally occur. (For example, a company is required to place its ACN with its name on the first page where that name appears in a document).
For further information about the legal requirements in relation to Australian Business Numbers, contact the Australian Taxation Office.
Noons - 23 Oct 2005 15:58 GMT > I do this only because the dogs are outside peeing and I have a moment > to spare before putting them, and then myself, to bed. Make sure you preserve that order, otherwise it's bloody uncomfy... ;)
> You may like to check with ASIC. I did, and they don't mention websites > as a requirement for publishing an ACN/ABN. and yet when I asked them in 2000, they said I had to put the ACN of my company in my website. You'll also find all that information in just about every website of Australian companies. Few exceptions. ebay is one of them. Funny that, eh?
Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 22:17 GMT > You'll also find all that > information in just about every website > of Australian companies. Few exceptions. [shrug] most Australians eat McDonalds - your point?
> ebay is one of them. Funny that, eh? nothing compelling them to post that information on their website - they (to me) appear to be entirely within the law. Infact, the purpose of registration, registers, trading names, etc is so people CAN find details of businesses when required.
I think you're just pissed you missed an auction or two ;)
Noons - 24 Oct 2005 08:37 GMT > [shrug] most Australians eat McDonalds - your point? I don't.
> I think you're just pissed you missed an auction or two ;) Akshally, I haven't. ;)
kosh - 23 Oct 2005 22:23 GMT >>I do this only because the dogs are outside peeing and I have a moment >>to spare before putting them, and then myself, to bed. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of Australian companies. Few exceptions. > ebay is one of them. Funny that, eh? Me thinks you are an idealist living in a non-ideal world. (much like myself really)
If every company stuk to the letter of the law, we would never see advertising with prices excluding gst. I just got 4 quotes for re-stumping.. only one included GST... that's illegal !
you would also never see "we'll pay the GST" type ads.... yet they proliferate.
Australian regulators only seem to regulate when it suits them, or if it is an issue that has attracted some attention.
I was a privacy officer for a large photo retailer. Having watched rulings etc. for other businesses... you just about have to advertise personal details on a billboard for the authority to have any teeth!
at the end of the day... all they will say is you have the power to not do business with e-bay.... real helpful!
Noons - 24 Oct 2005 08:47 GMT > Me thinks you are an idealist living in a non-ideal world. (much like > myself really) Yeah, maybe. But it won't stop me from having a good whinge. Aw crap, what's the fun in not doing it? ;)
> I was a privacy officer for a large photo retailer. Having watched > rulings etc. for other businesses... you just about have to advertise > personal details on a billboard for the authority to have any teeth! If there is one thing that pisses me off with these privacy laws is having to get my wife with me every time I call my bank's customer service: apparently, because we have lived together for > 30 years and still do, each one of us is highly suspicious of trying to rob the other. So according to the bank and its "privacy laws", we have to call together.
They had the gall to send me a letter a while ago asking why I had not accepted their loan offers. 4 letter words were used in the reply.
> at the end of the day... all they will say is you have the power to not > do business with e-bay.... real helpful! Yup. Pity there is little choice, otherwise it's exactly what I'd do.
Andrew Hennell - 23 Oct 2005 13:42 GMT > I wonder: can I run a company like that as well, mr. ASC? > Fair go, we have to go through hoops to get a business going, > but these guys can get away with no registered office, > no phone lines, no contacts whatsoever, no ABN/ACN, in > simple words: legal murder. And no one dares touch them. > Effing bloody marvelous! How's it feel to shoot yourself in both feet?
A futher 10 seconds with whitepages.com.au revealed...
eBay Australia & New Zealand Pty Limited Level 10/ 45 Market St Sydney 2000 (02) 8280 6400 Fax (02) 8280 6455
Damn - so for half a minute I found an ABN/ACN, an address, phone and fax, and all freely available with no effort whatsoever. simple words: do your homework.
:) Noons - 23 Oct 2005 13:51 GMT > Damn - so for half a minute I found an ABN/ACN, an address, phone and > fax, and all freely available with no effort whatsoever. > simple words: do your homework. Try finding all that in their web sites? Where by law they must be?
NikonF4 - 23 Oct 2005 14:19 GMT Douglas... whined:
Give me your address, I will send you 40c so you can call your mum.
Douglas... - 23 Oct 2005 22:41 GMT > Douglas... whined: > > Give me your address, I will send you 40c so you can call your mum. No doubt about it. You have the attitude to go with your actions...
 Signature Douglas... Specifications are good to read but When it comes to judging Digital Cameras... I'm in the "how do the pictures look" category.
Jasen - 24 Oct 2005 00:07 GMT > Douglas... whined: > > Give me your address, I will send you 40c so you can call your mum. I've never done business with you, and now I never will, and you are stupid enough to behave like this publically to reinforce the issue about yourself......fool.
[BnH] - 24 Oct 2005 03:16 GMT There are still Australian_photographer_population - 2 that still wants to do business with him.
still ok :)
> I've never done business with you, and now I never will, and you are > stupid > enough to behave like this publically to reinforce the issue about > yourself......fool. Douglas... - 24 Oct 2005 05:09 GMT > There are still Australian_photographer_population - 2 that still wants to > do business with him. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>enough to behave like this publically to reinforce the issue about >>yourself......fool. No doubt at all those of the aluminum skull cap brigade will always do business with him. You are known not only by your actions but by the company you keep. Did you know that?
At least for the time being, I get to say who I'll trust a description from and decide what the value of (if any) warranty I'm likely to get might be before I commit hundreds of dollars to that trust ...From here it's zero on all fronts for you and him.
 Signature Douglas... Specifications are good to read but When it comes to judging Digital Cameras... I'm in the "how do the pictures look" category.
[BnH] - 24 Oct 2005 08:49 GMT "Douglas..." <canvaspix@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> No doubt at all those of the aluminum skull cap brigade will always do > business with him. You are known not only by your actions but by the > company you keep. Did you know that? <-- me ? Dave company ? err .. not this Dave. Don't know you Doug , don't know Dave.
> At least for the time being, I get to say who I'll trust a description > from and decide what the value of (if any) warranty I'm likely to get > might be before I commit hundreds of dollars to that trust ...From here > it's zero on all fronts for you and him. <-- err ok . as you wish. I am not in the photo business anyway :D
> I'm in the "how do the pictures look" category.
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