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Nikon 200-400mm f/4G VR

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JimmyG - 28 Oct 2005 02:22 GMT
I'm considering buying this lens, however am very hesitant as it is a zoom.
I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this lens at 400mm to
say, a 400 2.8 or other fixed focal length.

Thanks much.

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Mark² - 28 Oct 2005 03:29 GMT
> I'm considering buying this lens, however am very hesitant as it is a
> zoom. I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this lens
> at 400mm to say, a 400 2.8 or other fixed focal length.
>
> Thanks much.

The zoom ratio on that lens is very small (only 1:2), so there's every
reason to believe that it wouldn't be all that compromised...-Especially
when it's "wide" is way up at 200mm.

I wish Canon would release a lens of this range...perhaps instead of (or in
addition to) the more compromised 1:4 zoom ratio of their 100-400 IS.
Skip M - 28 Oct 2005 03:51 GMT
>> I'm considering buying this lens, however am very hesitant as it is a
>> zoom. I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this lens
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I wish Canon would release a lens of this range...perhaps instead of (or
> in addition to) the more compromised 1:4 zoom ratio of their 100-400 IS.

Yeah, sure, Mark, so we can have a lens collection that looks like:
16-35 f2.8L
24-70 f2.8L
24-105 f4L IS
70-200 f2.8L IS
200-400 f4L IS
And then include the:
100-400 f4.5-5.6L IS
Because you just never know when you need that overlap...
My AmEx cringes at the thought...even if I do already own 4 of them! ;-)
BTW, I found the USB cord...

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Skip Middleton
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Mark² - 28 Oct 2005 04:37 GMT
>>> I'm considering buying this lens, however am very hesitant as it is
>>> a zoom. I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> My AmEx cringes at the thought...even if I do already own 4 of them!
> ;-) BTW, I found the USB cord...

Great!  (about the cord).
-I'll have you know that I crawled through my attic...dug through boxes, and
made every effort to find it for you...but without any luck.  Do I still get
credit for trying?
I must have sent it with the rest of the rubble that was left of my poor
D30.

Seriously, though, if Canon came out with a 200-400 f4 IS, I'd snap it up in
a jiffy (my credit card be danged).
I sold my 100-400 IS and sometimes miss it...but a faster, sharper, less
compromised 200-400 would be great, and makes perfect sense in their line-up
as you show above.  Some overlap is good--especially at the mid-range (which
I'm discovering with my 24-70...-always leaves me wishing for a few more mm
on the long end...-Used to my old 28-135).
Sheesh.

Oh, wait!
We can't talk like this lest Dallas' imagined bubble of supposed anti-Nikon
religion be burst.
-Heaven forbid we should BOTH be noting the good idea Nikon had of offering
a 200-400.
Actually...No matter...since he'll likely pretend you and I never had this
exchange.
:)
Matt Clara - 28 Oct 2005 04:54 GMT
> Seriously, though, if Canon came out with a 200-400 f4 IS, I'd snap it up
> in a jiffy (my credit card be danged).

Really?  Even at $5000?  http://tinyurl.com/8mjj2

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Matt Clara
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Mark² - 28 Oct 2005 05:18 GMT
>> Seriously, though, if Canon came out with a 200-400 f4 IS, I'd snap
>> it up in a jiffy (my credit card be danged).
>
> Really?  Even at $5000?  http://tinyurl.com/8mjj2

Oh dear!
:)
Didn't realise it was that high...yipe.
Still...it might keep me from drooling over the 400mm 2.8 IS L with it's
even higher price tag.
If a 200-400 alternative was as sharp as the 70-200 2.8 IS L, I'd put up
with the f4 aperture in trade for the amazing usefulness of the zoom range
over the fixed 400.  For me, it would be the near-perfect wildlife lens.

OTOH...I won't be shelling out 5K for anything at this particular moment...
:(
Thanks for the price-check, though, Matt.
:)
Skip M - 28 Oct 2005 13:05 GMT
>>> Seriously, though, if Canon came out with a 200-400 f4 IS, I'd snap
>>> it up in a jiffy (my credit card be danged).
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Thanks for the price-check, though, Matt.
> :)

Yikes!! I was thinking it was in the range of $2000, not $5000.  For that, I
could get a 200mm f2.8L, 300mm f4L IS, and 400mm f5.6L.  That averages out
to f4, doesn't it? <G>

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DD (Rox) - 28 Oct 2005 08:01 GMT
> Seriously, though, if Canon came out with a 200-400 f4 IS, I'd snap it up in
> a jiffy (my credit card be danged).
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> exchange.
> :)

Oh look! A juicy bit of fish!

Wait! What's this? A piece of steel in the hook? And...and...oh
dear...some nylon line too. It leads up to something bobbing around the
top. A cork???

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DD (everything is temporary)
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Mark² - 28 Oct 2005 08:18 GMT
>> Seriously, though, if Canon came out with a 200-400 f4 IS, I'd snap
>> it up in a jiffy (my credit card be danged).
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> dear...some nylon line too. It leads up to something bobbing around
> the top. A cork???

Dallas,
I think it's time I put you in the klink file.
When you change your name for the umpteenth time, I'm sure I'll give you
another look, but for now...you'll have to get through life without me.  I
hope you can bear it...  Happy shooting, and I'll see you on your next
alias.
Take care,
-Mark
DD (Rox) - 28 Oct 2005 10:58 GMT
> > Oh look! A juicy bit of fish!
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Take care,
> -Mark

What a prat. You bait me and then you killfile me for not responding in
the manner you designed your inflammatory little anecdote to elicit.

Well, I'll be sure to let you know well in advance the next time I
change my handle. That way you can continue to exclude me from your "big
wide world with lots of ideas worth thinking about".

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DD (everything is temporary)
www.dallasdahms.com

Skip M - 28 Oct 2005 12:57 GMT
.

>>> I wish Canon would release a lens of this range...perhaps instead of
>>> (or in addition to) the more compromised 1:4 zoom ratio of their
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> I must have sent it with the rest of the rubble that was left of my poor
> D30.

Sure, you get credit for the attempt!

> Seriously, though, if Canon came out with a 200-400 f4 IS, I'd snap it up
> in a jiffy (my credit card be danged).
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> for a few more mm on the long end...-Used to my old 28-135).
> Sheesh.
That's where the new 24-105 f4L IS comes in handy, if Canon ever gets the
bugs out of it and gets it to market...

> Oh, wait!
> We can't talk like this lest Dallas' imagined bubble of supposed
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> exchange.
> :)

Actually, I was thinking that the new Nikon 18-200VR lens was a great thing
for Nikon, too, and something Canon should have for the guys who are
disappointed in the DSLR zoom ranges compared to compacts.  Not my cup of
tea, so to speak, but there should be a great market for that lens and the
D50,  and there could be one for Canon, too, with the 350D.  Image quality
should be superior in a low level DSLR and a 26-300mm equivalent lens
compared to a compact with a 35-400 or so equivalent.
But you're right, Dallas would never believe you and I have anything
positive to say about Nikon, he'll just thing the headers are spoofed! <G>
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Christopher Muto - 28 Oct 2005 06:22 GMT
glad to see this as i now see the pattern... you just spew stuff off as you
feel like it without regard to the original question.  perhaps you missed
the op words "I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this
lens..."

>> I'm considering buying this lens, however am very hesitant as it is a
>> zoom. I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this lens
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I wish Canon would release a lens of this range...perhaps instead of (or
> in addition to) the more compromised 1:4 zoom ratio of their 100-400 IS.
Mark² - 28 Oct 2005 06:47 GMT
> glad to see this as i now see the pattern... you just spew stuff off
> as you feel like it without regard to the original question.  perhaps
> you missed the op words "I would like to hear from somebody who has
> compared this lens..."

What the heck is your problem, Chris?
If you want to live in a tunnel-vision world, go right ahead...
As for me, -It's a big world, with lots of ideas worth thinking about.  Out
of these little diversions come conversation.  Topics come up here all the
time that branch off into other directions, heaven forbid.
Did you notice that Skip responded to my post as a non-moron?
Learn from Skip.
Tunnel-vision is great if all you want to see a pin-hole world.

>>> I'm considering buying this lens, however am very hesitant as it is
>>> a zoom. I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> (or in addition to) the more compromised 1:4 zoom ratio of their
>> 100-400 IS.
JimmyG - 28 Oct 2005 07:07 GMT
Skip M - 28 Oct 2005 13:09 GMT
> glad to see this as i now see the pattern... you just spew stuff off as
> you feel like it without regard to the original question.  perhaps you
> missed the op words "I would like to hear from somebody who has compared
> this lens..."

What, we're not allowed to discuss what was said?  Is the post so sacrosanct
that only those who have actually compared two very esoteric and expensive
lenses are allowed to comment?  Is your post pertinent to the subject?
Don't you think it would be up to the original poster to take Mark to task,
if he has an objection?

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Christopher Muto - 28 Oct 2005 06:37 GMT
not exactly what you are looking for, but it should prove to be interesting
reading...
http://www.biglens.com/reviews/nikon300200400.htm

> I'm considering buying this lens, however am very hesitant as it is a
> zoom. I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this lens at
> 400mm to say, a 400 2.8 or other fixed focal length.
>
> Thanks much.
JimmyG - 28 Oct 2005 07:52 GMT
Thanks again VERY much.  This was extremely helpful.
DD (Rox) - 28 Oct 2005 10:52 GMT
> not exactly what you are looking for, but it should prove to be interesting
> reading...
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >
> > Thanks much.

Thanks for posting that link. I am also looking at getting this lens. I
might be shooting the A1GP here in Durban come January and this would
definitely be the right lens for it.

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DD (everything is temporary)
www.dallasdahms.com

Matt Clara - 28 Oct 2005 13:39 GMT
> I'm considering buying this lens, however am very hesitant as it is a zoom.
> I would like to hear from somebody who has compared this lens at 400mm to
> say, a 400 2.8 or other fixed focal length.
>
> Thanks much.

The problem is the lens is so expensive I've yet to meet anyone on the net
or elsewhere who owns one, and that's why none of us can respond directly to
your questions.  I believe it's a stellar performer, and at that price (5k
US), if it's not, I'd certainly return it.

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Matt Clara
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JimmyG - 31 Oct 2005 00:21 GMT
I just ordered one.  I'll drop a line about it's performance.
Skip M - 31 Oct 2005 05:52 GMT
>I just ordered one.  I'll drop a line about it's performance.

Be sure and let us know how it stacks up against the 400 f2.8...

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