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Canon F1 - 26 Oct 2005 01:51 GMT
I am new to this forum as I only recently found it.

My Wife and I are avid film shooters, she only a year and me since 1982 when
I bought my 1st Canon AE1 at the age of 12.

Now we have a fair collection of older Canon's and use mainly F1's ,A1's,
AE1's and an AT1 as our main equipment.  The ol F1 is pretty well brassed up
but is still right on the money though is needs a back rub and maybe a few
seals.

I shoot Tmax 100 B&W as well as Velvia 50 or 100.  Too bad   50 Velvia will
be leavings us soon.

We are located in SE Idaho which is a great place for the hobby.  I am a
Union Operator for my main job 4days per week which leaves me 3 days to shoot
pictures.

Anyway, not to talk your ears off, but I hope to chat in here from time to
time.

F1
That_Rich - 26 Oct 2005 02:32 GMT
>I am new to this forum as I only recently found it.
>
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>
>F1

Welcome.
Nice collection of A series you have.
My *collection* is very much like yours and all users... although
lately they've been collecting some dust :(
Time to blow off some o' dat dirt.

Cheers,

RP©
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ian lincoln - 26 Oct 2005 13:23 GMT
>I am new to this forum as I only recently found it.
>
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>
> F1

Run while you still can ;P
Alan Browne - 26 Oct 2005 13:46 GMT
> Anyway, not to talk your ears off, but I hope to chat in here from time to
> time.

A breath of fresh air is always welcome.

Post images too, if you like.

Check out the SI
http://www.pbase.com/shootin
http://www.aliasimages.com/si/rulz.html

Cheers,
Alan

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no_name - 26 Oct 2005 23:22 GMT
>> Anyway, not to talk your ears off, but I hope to chat in here from
>> time to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Cheers,
> Alan

I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about you.

But welcome.
ian lincoln - 27 Oct 2005 11:44 GMT
> I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
> non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
> you.
>
> But welcome.

That will happen anyway. ;(
no_name - 27 Oct 2005 13:16 GMT
>>I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
>>non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> That will happen anyway. ;(

True, but posting binaries is one sure way to end the honeymoon REAL fast.
William Graham - 27 Oct 2005 20:20 GMT
>>>I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
>>>non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> True, but posting binaries is one sure way to end the honeymoon REAL fast.

I guess the real problem is server storage space. These things take up a lot
of it. If you don't download everything on the list, it won't bother the
individual posters any. So if I were to post say, a 5 megapixel photograph,
and nobody downloaded it, no one would care. But the server would still have
to hold it for N days, so it would cost someone money........
David Littlewood - 29 Oct 2005 03:29 GMT
>>>>I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
>>>>non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>and nobody downloaded it, no one would care. But the server would still have
>to hold it for N days, so it would cost someone money........

I think anyone using a dial-up connection (probably still a sizeable
percentage, outside the USA) would curse you pretty swiftly if you
posted 5Mb binaries. I know I would have before I got broadband. Not
everyone gets to or chooses to look at file details before downloading.

David
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William Graham - 29 Oct 2005 20:48 GMT
>>>>>I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
>>>>>non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> 5Mb binaries. I know I would have before I got broadband. Not everyone
> gets to or chooses to look at file details before downloading.

Yes. It would be good if the size of the file automatically came with the
subject line......I wonder if that would be possible?
David Littlewood - 29 Oct 2005 23:21 GMT
>> I think anyone using a dial-up connection (probably still a sizeable
>> percentage, outside the USA) would curse you pretty swiftly if you posted
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Yes. It would be good if the size of the file automatically came with the
>subject line......I wonder if that would be possible?

Would not work. on my system at least; I log on to the server, the posts
come down, then I get to look at them. Fortunately, broadband makes this
seconds instead of the previous many minutes.

David
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William Graham - 30 Oct 2005 00:40 GMT
>>> I think anyone using a dial-up connection (probably still a sizeable
>>> percentage, outside the USA) would curse you pretty swiftly if you
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> David
Yes. I have a fast cable connection too. But if they could attach the size
in the subject line, then they could design software that rejects/warns you
of anything over any specified size, so people with a slow connection could
reject messages over some size that they are comfortable with.
none - 31 Oct 2005 18:18 GMT
> Yes. I have a fast cable connection too. But if they could attach the
> size in the subject line, then they could design software that
> rejects/warns you of anything over any specified size, so people with a
> slow connection could reject messages over some size that they are
> comfortable with.

Any newsreader can tell you the number of lines in a post (it is contained
in the header). If the newsreader understand yEnc, it will also be able to
tell you the approximate size of the attached file, without having to
download any of the body. Most newsreaders do allow you to filter posts
by size, specified in lines if not in kilobytes.

None of this is a reason for posting a binary file in a non-binary
newsgroup, because every news server in the world will still need the
extra disk space for your post.

-Mike
William Graham - 31 Oct 2005 19:23 GMT
>> Yes. I have a fast cable connection too. But if they could attach the
>> size in the subject line, then they could design software that
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>
> -Mike

OK. Thanks......I also have a different problem. Recently, I have been
getting a lot (well, one or two a day) emails that are completely blank. No
subject line, no sender address. When I check up on the "properties" It
tells me that they do not conform to some protocol standard called "RFC822".
Do you have any idea what this means?
Joe Makowiec - 31 Oct 2005 19:32 GMT
> OK. Thanks......I also have a different problem. Recently, I have
> been getting a lot (well, one or two a day) emails that are
> completely blank. No subject line, no sender address. When I check
> up on the "properties" It tells me that they do not conform to some
> protocol standard called "RFC822". Do you have any idea what this
> means?

RFC 822:

ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc822.txt

Replaced by RFC 2822:

ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2822.txt

Offhand guess?  Somebody (who has your email address) is trying out spam
software, and doesn't have it set up right.  Ignore/delete unless it
keeps up.

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no_name - 31 Oct 2005 22:59 GMT
>>>Yes. I have a fast cable connection too. But if they could attach the
>>>size in the subject line, then they could design software that
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> tells me that they do not conform to some protocol standard called "RFC822".
> Do you have any idea what this means?

RFC 822 - Standard for the format of ARPA Internet text messages

     http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html

Probably means someone from AOL is trying to send you HTML email & it's
getting bounced.
Sander Vesik - 31 Oct 2005 00:13 GMT
> Would not work. on my system at least; I log on to the server, the posts
> come down, then I get to look at them. Fortunately, broadband makes this
> seconds instead of the previous many minutes.

hmm.. but that is mostly the function of the client you use, not a
limitation from the server

> David

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Paul Furman - 31 Oct 2005 00:35 GMT
>>Would not work. on my system at least; I log on to the server, the posts
>>come down, then I get to look at them. Fortunately, broadband makes this
>>seconds instead of the previous many minutes.
>
> hmm.. but that is mostly the function of the client you use, not a
> limitation from the server

With dialup it makes sense to set your client so that you download
complete message contents rather than only the default headers, that way
you can mosey through the messages off-line without tying up the phone.
That also avoids the annoying 1/2 second delay in downloading each
message. I think David is only downloading headers and the time to
download each message is negligible.

My ISP does not include attachments in non-binary groups but where
that's allowed my client shows how big the contents are or I can simply
abort and move to the next message if it's big & I'm dialing through the
cell phone or something. The only place it would be an issue is if I was
downloading all message contents blindly so I could read them off-line.
In that case I wouldn't know what was wrong and the stupidly slow cell
connection could take forever to download, effectively ruining my
reading experience.
David Littlewood - 31 Oct 2005 01:19 GMT
>>>Would not work. on my system at least; I log on to the server, the
>>>posts come down, then I get to look at them. Fortunately, broadband
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>each message. I think David is only downloading headers and the time to
>download each message is negligible.

No, David is downloading complete messages only, not headers, and did
the same when on dial-up. In the old days, the time to download hundreds
of posts was interminable.

David
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That_Rich - 29 Oct 2005 23:57 GMT
>>>>>>I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
>>>>>>non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>Yes. It would be good if the size of the file automatically came with the
>subject line......I wonder if that would be possible?

All decent news readers will tell you how many lines are in a post
when the headers are downloaded.
Scrap OE and get a real news reader.... some are free. Here is one of
several........

http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php

If you decide not to buy it, the program reverts to the free version
after 30 days.
Try it, it cost nothing.

RP©
That_Rich - 29 Oct 2005 23:53 GMT
>>>>>I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
>>>>>non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>posted 5Mb binaries. I know I would have before I got broadband. Not
>everyone gets to or chooses to look at file details before downloading.

*Most* news servers will not accept binaries posted to a non-binary
group.

RP©
no_name - 31 Oct 2005 18:26 GMT
>>>>> I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
>>>>> non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> David

Also, depending on who your news-feed goes through, the binaries may get
stripped out of non-binary groups anyway.
David Dyer-Bennet - 28 Oct 2005 22:25 GMT
> > I believe Alan means post LINKS to images. Posting binaries to a
> > non-binaries group will cause people to write rude things to and about
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> That will happen anyway. ;(

Quite possibly it will, but posting binaries to a non-binaries group
will get lots of people who normally avoid rudeness to forget their
standards.
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Alan Browne - 28 Oct 2005 01:01 GMT
>> Post images too, if you like.
>
> I believe Alan means post LINKS to images.

Yes.  Thanks for the clarification.

And snip replies and don't top post.  Big problem if you top post.

Cheers,
Alan

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David Dyer-Bennet - 28 Oct 2005 22:24 GMT
> We are located in SE Idaho which is a great place for the hobby.  I am a
> Union Operator for my main job 4days per week which leaves me 3 days to shoot
> pictures.
>
> Anyway, not to talk your ears off, but I hope to chat in here from time to
> time.

Always room for a newbie to the group!  Sounds like you have a
wonderful location for scenic pictures around where you live, and a
nice job structure to leave you lots of opportunity.

If you don't mind my asking, what exactly do you Operate?  I take
"Union" to mean union member, rather than being part of the job title,
leaving only "operator", which I've known applied to people who run
batch jobs on mainframe computers and people who handle phone calls
for customers, and with modifiers for lots of other even more
unrelated jobs.
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Canon F1 - 31 Oct 2005 23:01 GMT
>> We are located in SE Idaho which is a great place for the hobby.  I am a
>> Union Operator for my main job 4days per week which leaves me 3 days to shoot
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>for customers, and with modifiers for lots of other even more
>unrelated jobs.

I am a union member and I operate equipment.  

I am in a good location for photography.  My wife and I can run spur of the
monent day runs to Yellowstone, G. Teton, Targee N F, Salmon River, The
Sawtooths, and much more.  We are 6hrs to Glacier NP and the same to central
Utah.

Thx all of you for the welcome.

F1
 
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