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How to digitize precious photos?
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Photomax - 28 Sep 2005 12:38 GMT Our traditional photographs are deteriorating with every passing moment. Faces and colors fade with the passage of time and someday these visual memories will be lost forever. Photomax provides an easy solution to the inevitable fate of your traditional photos with their Photo Saver service. Simply send photos, slides, or negatives to the Photomax Digital Imaging Lab, where trained photo technicians carefully clean and scan your photographs with state-of-the-art equipment. These new digital pictures are then placed into your personal Photomax account, and your originals are returned to you. You can then view your photos at any time and from any location on your personal website. Photomax is a photo website unlike any other. It is the easiest way to preserve, organize, share and enjoy precious memories.
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Al Denelsbeck - 28 Sep 2005 13:21 GMT > Our traditional photographs are deteriorating with every passing > moment. Faces and colors fade with the passage of time and someday [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://login.myphotomaxusa.com Yeah, buddy, there's a service that everyone on the group needs. Hey, everyone, these guys can scan your photos! To digital!!!!!!
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Tony - 29 Sep 2005 00:49 GMT My GAWD! Really????? How moderne. How tres chick. How hep and up yer face. Gotta find my box of CDs so I can get 'em all digitialled and stuff ---- TODAY!
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Joseph Meehan - 28 Sep 2005 16:12 GMT > Our traditional photographs are deteriorating with every passing > moment. Faces and colors fade with the passage of time and someday > these visual memories will be lost forever. In addition to a blatant commercial message where it does not belong, the message is a lie.
The lie part is the idea that somehow digital images are archival and are safe from the ravages of time.
The fact is digital storage media is often less reliable than traditional photographic media. Also the media and or file types may be impossible or very difficult to read ten years from now when advances in technology have made them as easy to use as an 8 track tape.
My advice for anyone who really wants to preserve images is to have them digitalized by a honest reliable service, not one that would post this kind of ad. and keep one copy and send the other to someone you know far away. Think what happened on the Gulf Cost this year. Having copies stored hundreds of miles away is a good idea. I have mine with my son and daughter who live 3,000 miles apart. Also have good archival prints made of those that you really treasure and keep one set and send the other as above. Good archival prints will last over 100 years and don't need special computers or programs to view.
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PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com - 28 Sep 2005 16:57 GMT > > Our traditional photographs are deteriorating with every passing > > moment. Faces and colors fade with the passage of time and someday [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > impossible or very difficult to read ten years from now when advances in > technology have made them as easy to use as an 8 track tape. Yeah, funny how my mothers boxes of photos from as far back as the 1860s look pretty damn good. I guess she should have put them all on 8" floppys when she had the chance years ago.
Dick R. - 28 Sep 2005 19:12 GMT > Yeah, funny how my mothers boxes of photos from as far back as the 1860s > look pretty damn good. I guess she should have put them all on 8" floppys > when she had the chance years ago. Hi, Yup, I also have many photos and negatives from the early 1900s. They are still looking good. I guess I'm still a film person and I wouldn't trust any long term storage to CDs or whatever. Not to discount some of the advantages of digital, but not for me.
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PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com - 28 Sep 2005 19:28 GMT > > Yeah, funny how my mothers boxes of photos from as far back as the 1860s > > look pretty damn good. I guess she should have put them all on 8" floppys [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dick R. Digital has it's place for sure but to trust it for storage is not wise. I say this after years in the music and audio fields. Good prints and slides should be kept, even of digital shots, if you really care about them.
Dick R. - 28 Sep 2005 20:12 GMT >>>Yeah, funny how my mothers boxes of photos from as far back as the 1860s >>>look pretty damn good. I guess she should have put them all on 8" floppys [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > slides should be kept, even of digital shots, if you really care about > them. Hi again - can I call you PS for short? :-) I worry about the folks who had their wedding recorded on VHS tape and haven't rewound/played the tape on an annual basis to avoid bleed-through. Same would apply to audio tapes, and also rumors about CDs deteriorating over time. I dunno, but for me, give me the prints and negatives for long term storage.
JMHO Dick R.
Jeremy - 28 Sep 2005 20:20 GMT <PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> Digital has it's place for sure but to trust it for storage is not wise. > I say this after years in the music and audio fields. Good prints and > slides should be kept, even of digital shots, if you really care about > them. Virtually no one would argue that digital should REPLACE your old prints, but there is a compelling case to be made for scanning them and storing multiple copies of the image files, preferably in geographically diverse locations. I am reminded of a genealogy society meeting, where one proud woman declared that she had neatly scanned all her important family papers and then shredded and discarded those "old" original copies . . . She was obviously ill-informed and misguided, and she paid a price for her ignorance. Now all she has are images, not originals.
The archival CDs are admittedly NOT going to be suitable for very long-term storage. CDs will be supplanted by other types of media. And image file formats will eventually give way to newer formats. And some of those archive CDs may become unreadable in time due to physical deterioration. But a compelling case can be made for at least attempting to create multiple copies of those precious photographs in those old albums.
I am scanning, archiving, restoring and reprinting about 500 family prints, that almost went into a landfill when an elderly relative's home was cleaned out prior to being sold when she entered a nursing home. A relative just happened to spot two albums in a dumpster, pulled them out to have a look, and discovered that they were photos of OUR family members, some dating to the 1940s. The albums were perilously close to being lost forever. It was pure coincidence that they were spotted at all.
Had there been scans available, at least new prints could have been made and distributed to multiple family members, rather than running the risk of the originals being discarded or lost in a disaster. And, now that the images are being digitized, I am able to make corrections for imperfect exposure, and I can distribute the freshly-done prints to numerous family members for their own use. Most of the family has never even seen these photographs, because they were locked up in the home of a single person all this time. And the new prints I am going to be making will, themselves, hold the promise of being archival, if they are cared for by their new owners. It is a win-win arrangement.
Digitizing may not be a 100% perfect solution, but as long as it is implemented as an additional layer of protection, over and above that of keeping and protecting the originals, I see no reason why anyone should object to it.
PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com - 28 Sep 2005 20:55 GMT > <PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > keeping and protecting the originals, I see no reason why anyone should > object to it. I did not mean to imply that one should not archive digitally. But to trust it totally is foolish. I belive you stated that, at least.
I mentioned in another thread of a friend who had slides and CDs that got wet in New Orleans. Many slides survived and many CDs did not. About 50/50 overall. Hopefully by having both he has managed to save a lot of precious photos. Maybe watertight storage is a good idea.
Tony Polson - 28 Sep 2005 21:56 GMT >I mentioned in another thread of a friend who had slides and CDs that got >wet in New Orleans. Many slides survived and many CDs did not. About >50/50 overall. Hopefully by having both he has managed to save a lot of >precious photos. Maybe watertight storage is a good idea. Maybe living ten feet below sea level is a bad idea.
Storing negatives, slides and prints below sea level is *definitely* a bad idea, especially in a city where the inadequacy of the protection offered by the levees was apparently already widely known.
PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com - 28 Sep 2005 23:55 GMT > >I mentioned in another thread of a friend who had slides and CDs that got > >wet in New Orleans. Many slides survived and many CDs did not. About [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > bad idea, especially in a city where the inadequacy of the protection > offered by the levees was apparently already widely known. How true but then most places I have lived in America were in suburban McHouses made out of chipboard. A fire trap waiting to happen.
Jeremy - 28 Sep 2005 22:33 GMT <PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >
> I mentioned in another thread of a friend who had slides and CDs that got > wet in New Orleans. Many slides survived and many CDs did not. About > 50/50 overall. Hopefully by having both he has managed to save a lot of > precious photos. Maybe watertight storage is a good idea. I keep mine in a bank safe deposit box. That is the limit of how far I'll go to protect my image files. If we get nuked, well, I guess I might have to do without my pics . . .
Kodak recommends the Master and Derivative Disk concept: A master disk is made up, for the sole purpose of being used to make derivative "working" copies. You keep that master disk in the safe location, and you don't touch it ever, unless your derivative copies become damaged and require replacement. You can make, and use, as many derivative disks as you require. If you're really determined to preserve your images, there are two additional steps to take:
1: Give copies of your disks to relatives that live distant from you, for safekeeping. (You can reciprocate by acting as safe storage for THEM)
2: Make one additional "Master Disk" and store it at home, never to be touched unless your derivative disks require replacement. Do all work from your derivatives. If you ever need to replace a derivative, you make one from your on-site Master Disk. If, for some reason, your on-site master is unusable, THEN you go to your safe deposit box and retrieve your "Original Master Disk," make the necessary copies, and replace that Original Master right back into the safe deposit box.
I doubt that most people will be as fanatical as to use the above scenario, but it IS possible to maximize the chances that your digital assets will be preserved. Just plan on migrating those disks to newer file formats and the latest type storage media every decade or so. I still haven't figured out what to do about migration by future generations. If the cycle stops at any point in the future, it may be difficult or impossible for any subsequent generations to retrieve the images down the road.
But, "All Things Must Pass . . ." Even so, I do believe that a lot of digital photos WILL survive into the future--perhaps more of them than did the number of old photographs that we now have from years past. Not because the preservation techniques are so great, but because of the potential to clone the images and deposit them at multiple locations. Some of them have just got to survive, no?
PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com - 28 Sep 2005 23:58 GMT > <PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > > > I mentioned in another thread of a friend who had slides and CDs that got [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > clone the images and deposit them at multiple locations. Some of them have > just got to survive, no? I think you are right on this as long as the trasnfers get better and better. So far in audio we have lost a lot of data on older digital recordings. Many factors here but lets just call if fade, bits are gone, high end suffers, etc.
Jeremy - 29 Sep 2005 01:20 GMT <PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >>
> I think you are right on this as long as the trasnfers get better and > better. So far in audio we have lost a lot of data on older digital > recordings. Many factors here but lets just call if fade, bits are gone, > high end suffers, etc. While it probably is impossible to improve the files, once scanned, the inverse certainly IS true: the condition of the original pictures is currently about as good as it will ever be. They will only deteriorate over time. Might as well scan them now.
I saw a woman in New Orleans seeing her home for the first time since the flooding began. First thing she cried over was the family album--or what was left of it. It was as though her past memories had been taken from her. Had she kept copies stored off-site it would have made it possible to restore her memories, to a certain extent.
I never knew of a single person that stored their negatives in a geographically distant location, but there are tons of people that are swapping disks of family shots with relatives, to ensure that other copies will survive. At least for the short-term, the practice seems to have benefits. No way to really know if digitization will really keep the images alive for the long haul, but at least people are attempting to preserve them as best they can. Before digital, preservation of family photos was something that was not even on the radar screen.
Even if having extra copies of images does not ultimately help, it certainly cannot hurt--and I suspect that, even if a lot of images do become lost to the ravages of time, there will be a lot of them that will survive.
PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com - 29 Sep 2005 01:28 GMT > <PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >> > > I think you are right on this as long as the trasnfers get better and [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > cannot hurt--and I suspect that, even if a lot of images do become lost to > the ravages of time, there will be a lot of them that will survive. I keep meaning to get around to scanning all the slides I have but I keep wasting my time here instead. ;) But on a serious note keeping your slides or negs in a safe is a good idea. I have a small watertight, heat resistant safe that was pretty cheap. I am also slowly scanning all my stuff on quality CDs. Don't use the cheapos. Offsite is a good idea as well. Now that I think about it offsite is really the way to go for me and my wife since we travel quite a bit. Now if we could just get the Italians to get more high speed internet we would be in great shape. :)
Martin Francis - 28 Sep 2005 20:00 GMT > Yeah, funny how my mothers boxes of photos from as far back as the 1860s > > look pretty damn good. By God, if anyone needs any advice on archiving, they should ask your mother- especially if she's been around since the 1860s!
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Martin
PunishSpammers@NOSPAM.com - 28 Sep 2005 20:15 GMT > > Yeah, funny how my mothers boxes of photos from as far back as the 1860s > > > look pretty damn good. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Martin Very funny. Like she was never given photos passed down from members of her family. BTW she uses a computer on a regular basis. She was one of the first computer operators in the 60s for Monterey county. She most likely could tell you a few things.
Martin Francis - 28 Sep 2005 20:02 GMT > Our traditional photographs are deteriorating with every passing > moment. Faces and colors fade with the passage of time and someday [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://login.myphotomaxusa.com Funny, isn't it, how only marketers would use the word "precious" in sentences such as the subject line.
Martin
JimKramer - 28 Sep 2005 20:17 GMT One file format to rule them all, One file format to find them, One file format to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
Precious?
DD (Rox) - 29 Sep 2005 06:47 GMT > One file format to rule them all, > One file format to find them, > One file format to bring them all > and in the darkness bind them > > Precious? That was the name of Buffalo Bill's doggie in Silence of the Lambs.
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