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jodledums@yahoo.co.uk - 24 Aug 2005 09:30 GMT Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I find it hard to focus. I have a yaschica t4..but there is a shutter delay for candids. I'm, considering getting a minilux, or hexar af..or even med format autofocus...rangefinder.....Can you help me decide. I can always sell some gear to invest in something way better. thanks, Jm
That_Rich - 24 Aug 2005 11:06 GMT >Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid >street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I >find it hard to focus. I have a yaschica t4..but there is a shutter >delay for candids. I'm, considering getting a minilux, or hexar af..or >even med format autofocus...rangefinder.....Can you help me decide. I >can always sell some gear to invest in something way better. Whatever you chose, best to use a wide lens set to hyper-focal and shoot from the hip. Or have a camera small enough to carry, operate with one hand.
Good luck,
RP©
Ken Rosenbaum - 24 Aug 2005 15:53 GMT > Whatever you chose, best to use a wide lens set to hyper-focal and > shoot from the hip. Or have a camera small enough to carry, operate [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > RP© Actually, RP's advice is excellent and very well suited to that Canonet you already have. Additionally, the shutter is almost silent to shoot unobtrusively. The lens is not wide, just semi-wide, but once you learn the hyperfocal trick, works very well. Alternatively, I like an AF Nikon...especially a "quiet" one like the N70 available very cheaply used, Mate it with the 24mm AF 2.8 for a compact package or with the often overlooked 24-50 AF that I have used with great success. Set that to 24mm for hyperfocal grab shots, but it serves as a fine all around lens too. Not too big either. A great lens when walking around a city's downtown. Of course, if you want extra reach, then the 28-85 is better, but much bigger. My last trip I carried mainly the fine 24-120 Nikkor with an N8008s. Great for most purposes, but not good for surreptitious grab shots, in my opinion. But I had an Olympus XA in my pocket for the quiet grab shots. Still a fine camera, which is why I have a few of them. Also great for night shots when loaded with 800-speed film. Ken
That_Rich - 24 Aug 2005 23:58 GMT >> Whatever you chose, best to use a wide lens set to hyper-focal and >> shoot from the hip. Or have a camera small enough to carry, operate [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >camera, which is why I have a few of them. Also great for night shots when >loaded with 800-speed film. I used Canonet GIII for quite some time for this type of photography. Unfortunately all three of the Canonets have seen better days. They worked great as they are easily palmed in one hand, at my side, to be used either vertically or horizontally. Now I mostly use canon A1 with 20mm 2.8 in aperture priority mode which can also be palmed...... but I have large hands. I **never** look through the viewfinder. Depending on the lighting I try to stay at f 11 or 16 with the lens to hyperfocal. That covers darn near everything with a 20mm. Using a decent film (Ilford xp2 has served me well lately) the frames can be cropped and still look acceptable.
Some of the latest examples shot in the last few weeks using the technique above can be found on this page....
http://www.pbase.com/that_rich/san_miguel_de_allende
The street shots are monochrome so they are easy to pick out.
Cheers,
RP©
Ken Rosenbaum - 25 Aug 2005 00:58 GMT > Some of the latest examples shot in the last few weeks using the > technique above can be found on this page.... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > RP© Some very nice street shooting there. The candids would have been not nearly, I think, as nice if you had taken the time to put the camera to your eyes and focus it. I can use the XA in my palm, and even wind it one-handed, for such work in close quarters. Good work! Ken
That_Rich - 25 Aug 2005 01:14 GMT >> Some of the latest examples shot in the last few weeks using the >> technique above can be found on this page.... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >eyes and focus it. I can use the XA in my palm, and even wind it one-handed, >for such work in close quarters. Good work! Thanks Ken. I kinda like the fact that I never know what I have til I scan. With street shooting, unlike a lot of the other stuff I shoot, I'm rarely disappointed :))
You have a place where you show off any of your stuff?
Regards,
RP©
Ken Rosenbaum - 25 Aug 2005 02:11 GMT > You have a place where you show off any of your stuff? > > Regards, > > RP© Yes, I do. It's in the many photo albums I keep out on shelves in my living and family rooms, where visitors and kids can see the last half century of the family in prints. I have had hundreds of photos published in newspapers over the years, but I never was attached to any of them. The only shots I ever posted online are two of my granddaughter at this URL: http://www.photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=163497 Let me know what you think. Ken
That_Rich - 25 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT >> You have a place where you show off any of your stuff? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Let me know what you think. >Ken Very nice Ken, you must be a proud Grandpa :)
I was hoping to see some of your street photography as it seems to be a passion to you.
Maybe some other time.
Cheers,
RP©
Bandicoot - 25 Aug 2005 20:41 GMT > > Whatever you chose, best to use a wide lens set to hyper- > > focal and shoot from the hip. Or have a camera small enough [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > silent to shoot unobtrusively. The lens is not wide, just semi- > wide, but once you learn the hyperfocal trick, works very well. Ditto - I prefer the hyperfocal approach to AF in this situation. If AF is a must, then the Ricoh GR1 series would be my choice (I love them) but for street work I'd probably set them to a fixed focus anyway.
My own choices for this are a Yashica Electro 35 CC (35mm f1.8, aperture priority) or my Olympus SP. But a recent discovery has been how very good the Haselblad X-Pan is for this sort of work - I've enjoyed using mine in 'the street' a lot, and in the panoramic format the pictures are that bit more unusual.
In MF, I have a Fujica GS645S that I'd also consider for this sort of work, using hyperfocal focusing. I, personally, probably wouldn't use a larger format than this 645 because of the shallow DoF, even though I do use 6x7 and 6x9 RFs for other things.
Peter
William Graham - 25 Aug 2005 01:01 GMT > Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid > street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thanks, > Jm I would go back, instead of way better....What's wrong with one of the better quality auto-focus point & shoots? With a 35 mm lens, they are ideal for street photography, and they are only around $125 or less...... Find one that is very quiet, and learn to use it without looking in the rangefinder, kind of like shooting from the hip. No one will even know that you are taking their picture.
Ken Rosenbaum - 25 Aug 2005 01:14 GMT > > find it hard to focus. I have a yaschica t4..but there is a shutter > > delay for candids. I'm, considering getting a minilux, or hexar af..or [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > kind of like shooting from the hip. No one will even know that you are > taking their picture. Also a good idea! Try the splendid Olympus Stylus Epic. Just push the button to turn off the flash, and it is indeed a nice little street shooter. Also, another gem that I enjoy using is the tidy little Nikon Lite Touch -- the original with the 28mm f3.5 lens. Very quiet and sharp! Still available used. Ken
Roger - 25 Aug 2005 17:46 GMT >Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid >street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >thanks, >Jm I vote for trying your existing equipment using hyperfocal settings. If that doesn't work, my favorite(s) film lenses for street work are a 35mm or 24/28mm lens. It depends a bit on the congestion of the street and the area architecture which one I use. I also like to photograph the architecture in urban settings. The more congested the street, the shorter the focal length. I often use a 24/35/50 combo with a small SLR in dense urban settings. For general work a 28/50 combo is often enough. In each of these situations, the 50 adds variety to the work and because of the angle of coverage of the other WA lenses appears to be a short tele in the final analysis. I keep a que card for the hyperfocal settings. For strictly street work, I'll put the camera in MF (aperture preferred mode) and tape the lens at the HF focus setting. I have a couple of bodies that don't have AE mode, strictly manual. The choice between manual exposure or AE exposure is personal and often a compromise between available equipment, ease of use, skill and experience plus the patience of your travel companions.
One of my favorite street cameras is the expensive but tiny Contax T3. It's a P&S variety with the ability to set aperture preferred and manual focus. I think it works pretty slick with ISO400 film and about f8/11. The lens is the reason to have this camera, it's a wonderfully crisp 35mm f2.8 mutlicoated lens.
There's a lot of choice in used equipment. I think one of the decision points is whether you want to meter automagically (e.g. AE mode) or manually. That narrows the selection quite a bit.
Good luck in your decisions, don't overlook what you already have. FWIW: I have a friend who also likes this kind of photography. His kit is the diminutive Nikon FG w/ a 28mm f2.8 AIS lens. He bought both as "beaters" from KEH. They are ugly, the body is silver but he's black-taped it, the body is "loud" but for the most part, the street noise is much louder. His results are excellent.
Regards, Roger
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 25 Aug 2005 22:25 GMT > Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid > street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thanks, > Jm Ever hear of the company and camera called Leica?
http://www.leica-camera.com/index_e.html
Alan Browne - 26 Aug 2005 00:20 GMT > Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid > street photography. Having sampled the delicious, delectable and desirable ladies of BA (at least with my eyes) I can imagine what you are aiming for!
Find a good used rangefinder. Or if you need a snappy, small and cheap autofocus film SLR, any of the main OEM's offerings at the low end should suffice.
It really depends on how discerning a lens buyer you are...
Cheers, Alan.
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jodledums@yahoo.co.uk - 30 Aug 2005 15:55 GMT This is great feedback....Could I ask for a step by step guide on how to set hyperfocal focusing on the canonet...using 400asa film, and trying to get the best results the lens will allow? I 'm not sure I fully understand how to do it? thanks,...Jm
>> Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid >> street photography. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Cheers, >Alan. That_Rich - 30 Aug 2005 23:12 GMT >This is great feedback....Could I ask for a step by step guide on how >to set hyperfocal focusing on the canonet...using 400asa film, and >trying to get the best results the lens will allow? I 'm not sure I >fully understand how to do it? >thanks,...Jm http://dfleming.ameranet.com/custom.html
http://bobatkins.com/photography/technical/depth_of_field_calc.html
Here is a page with a bunch of links.....
http://home.online.no/~gjon/depth.htm
Have fun...
RP©
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