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jodledums@yahoo.co.uk - 24 Aug 2005 09:30 GMT
Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid
street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I
find it hard to focus. I have a yaschica t4..but there is a shutter
delay for candids. I'm, considering getting a minilux, or hexar af..or
even med format autofocus...rangefinder.....Can you help me decide. I
can always sell some gear to invest in something way better.
thanks,
Jm
That_Rich - 24 Aug 2005 11:06 GMT
>Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid
>street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I
>find it hard to focus. I have a yaschica t4..but there is a shutter
>delay for candids. I'm, considering getting a minilux, or hexar af..or
>even med format autofocus...rangefinder.....Can you help me decide. I
>can always sell some gear to invest in something way better.

Whatever you chose, best to use a wide lens set to hyper-focal and
shoot from the hip. Or have a camera small enough to carry, operate
with one hand.

Good luck,

RP©
Ken Rosenbaum - 24 Aug 2005 15:53 GMT
> Whatever you chose, best to use a wide lens set to hyper-focal and
> shoot from the hip. Or have a camera small enough to carry, operate
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>
> RP©

Actually, RP's advice is excellent and very well suited to that Canonet you
already have. Additionally, the shutter is almost silent to shoot
unobtrusively. The lens is not wide, just semi-wide, but once you learn the
hyperfocal trick, works very well.
Alternatively, I like an AF Nikon...especially a "quiet" one like the N70
available very cheaply used, Mate it with the 24mm AF 2.8 for a compact
package or with the often overlooked 24-50 AF that I have used with great
success. Set that to 24mm for hyperfocal grab shots, but it serves as a fine
all around lens too. Not too big either. A great lens when walking around a
city's downtown.
Of course, if you want extra reach, then the 28-85 is better, but much
bigger. My last trip I carried mainly the fine 24-120 Nikkor with an N8008s.
Great for most purposes, but not good for surreptitious grab shots, in my
opinion.
But I had an Olympus XA in my pocket for the quiet grab shots. Still a fine
camera, which is why I have a few of them. Also great for night shots when
loaded with 800-speed film.
Ken
That_Rich - 24 Aug 2005 23:58 GMT
>> Whatever you chose, best to use a wide lens set to hyper-focal and
>> shoot from the hip. Or have a camera small enough to carry, operate
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>camera, which is why I have a few of them. Also great for night shots when
>loaded with 800-speed film.

I used Canonet GIII for quite some time for this type of photography.
Unfortunately all three of the Canonets have seen better days. They
worked great as they are easily palmed in one hand, at my side, to be
used either vertically or horizontally.
Now I mostly use canon A1 with 20mm 2.8 in aperture priority mode
which can also be palmed...... but I have large hands. I **never**
look through the viewfinder. Depending on the lighting I try to stay
at f 11 or 16 with the lens to hyperfocal. That covers darn near
everything with a 20mm. Using a decent film (Ilford xp2 has served me
well lately) the frames can be cropped and still look acceptable.

Some of the latest examples shot in the last few weeks using the
technique above can be found on this page....

http://www.pbase.com/that_rich/san_miguel_de_allende

The street shots are monochrome so they are easy to pick out.

Cheers,

RP©
Ken Rosenbaum - 25 Aug 2005 00:58 GMT
> Some of the latest examples shot in the last few weeks using the
> technique above can be found on this page....
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>
> RP©

Some very nice street shooting there. The candids would have been not
nearly, I think, as nice if you had taken the time to put the camera to your
eyes and focus it. I can use the XA in my palm, and even wind it one-handed,
for such work in close quarters. Good work!
Ken
That_Rich - 25 Aug 2005 01:14 GMT
>> Some of the latest examples shot in the last few weeks using the
>> technique above can be found on this page....
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>eyes and focus it. I can use the XA in my palm, and even wind it one-handed,
>for such work in close quarters. Good work!

Thanks Ken. I kinda like the fact that I never know what I have til I
scan. With street shooting, unlike a lot of the other stuff I shoot,
I'm rarely disappointed :))

You have a place where you show off any of your stuff?

Regards,

RP©
Ken Rosenbaum - 25 Aug 2005 02:11 GMT
> You have a place where you show off any of your stuff?
>
> Regards,
>
> RP©

Yes, I do. It's in the many  photo albums I keep out on shelves in my living
and family rooms, where visitors and kids can see the last half century of
the family in prints. I have had hundreds of photos published in newspapers
over the years, but I never was attached to any of them. The only shots I
ever posted online are two of my granddaughter at this URL:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=163497
Let me know what you think.
Ken
That_Rich - 25 Aug 2005 02:31 GMT
>> You have a place where you show off any of your stuff?
>>
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>Let me know what you think.
>Ken

Very nice Ken, you must be a proud Grandpa :)

I was hoping to see some of your street photography as it seems to be
a passion to you.

Maybe some other time.

Cheers,

RP©
Bandicoot - 25 Aug 2005 20:41 GMT
> > Whatever you chose, best to use a wide lens set to hyper-
> > focal and shoot from the hip. Or have a camera small enough
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> silent to shoot unobtrusively. The lens is not wide, just semi-
> wide, but once you learn the hyperfocal trick, works very well.

Ditto - I prefer the hyperfocal approach to AF in this situation.  If AF is
a must, then the Ricoh GR1 series would be my choice (I love them) but for
street work I'd probably set them to a fixed focus anyway.

My own choices for this are a Yashica Electro 35 CC (35mm f1.8, aperture
priority) or my Olympus SP.  But a recent discovery has been how very good
the Haselblad X-Pan is for this sort of work - I've enjoyed using mine in
'the street' a lot, and in the panoramic format the pictures are that bit
more unusual.

In MF, I have a Fujica GS645S that I'd also consider for this sort of work,
using hyperfocal focusing.  I, personally, probably wouldn't use a larger
format than this 645 because of the shallow DoF, even though I do use 6x7
and 6x9 RFs for other things.

Peter
William Graham - 25 Aug 2005 01:01 GMT
> Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid
> street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thanks,
> Jm
I would go back, instead of way better....What's wrong with one of the
better quality auto-focus point & shoots? With a 35 mm lens, they are ideal
for street photography, and they are only around $125 or less...... Find one
that is very quiet, and learn to use it without looking in the rangefinder,
kind of like shooting from the hip. No one will even know that you are
taking their picture.
Ken Rosenbaum - 25 Aug 2005 01:14 GMT
> > find it hard to focus. I have a yaschica t4..but there is a shutter
> > delay for candids. I'm, considering getting a minilux, or hexar af..or
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> kind of like shooting from the hip. No one will even know that you are
> taking their picture.

Also a good idea! Try the splendid Olympus Stylus Epic. Just push the button
to turn off the flash, and it is indeed a nice little street shooter. Also,
another gem that I enjoy using is the tidy little Nikon Lite Touch -- the
original with the 28mm f3.5 lens. Very quiet and sharp! Still available
used.
Ken
Roger - 25 Aug 2005 17:46 GMT
>Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid
>street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>thanks,
>Jm

I vote for trying your existing equipment using hyperfocal settings.
If that doesn't work, my favorite(s) film lenses for street work are a
35mm or 24/28mm lens.  It depends a bit on the congestion of the
street and the area architecture which one I use. I also like to
photograph the architecture in urban settings. The more congested the
street, the shorter the focal length. I often use a 24/35/50 combo
with a small SLR in dense urban settings. For general work a 28/50
combo is often enough. In each of these situations, the 50 adds
variety to the work and because of the angle of coverage of the other
WA lenses appears to be a short tele in the final analysis. I keep a
que card for the hyperfocal settings. For strictly street work, I'll
put the camera in MF (aperture preferred mode) and tape the lens at
the HF focus setting. I have a couple of bodies that don't have AE
mode, strictly manual. The choice between manual exposure or AE
exposure is personal and often a compromise between available
equipment, ease of use, skill and experience plus the patience of your
travel companions.

One of my favorite street cameras is the expensive but tiny Contax T3.
It's a P&S variety with the ability to set aperture preferred and
manual focus. I think it works pretty slick with ISO400 film and about
f8/11. The lens is the reason to have this camera, it's a wonderfully
crisp 35mm f2.8 mutlicoated lens.

There's a lot of choice in used equipment. I think one of the decision
points is whether you want to meter automagically (e.g. AE mode) or
manually. That narrows the selection quite a bit.

Good luck in your decisions, don't overlook what you already have.
FWIW: I have a friend who also likes this kind of photography. His kit
is the diminutive Nikon FG w/ a 28mm f2.8 AIS lens. He bought both as
"beaters" from KEH. They are ugly, the body is silver but he's
black-taped it, the body is "loud" but for the most part, the street
noise is much louder. His results are excellent.

Regards,
Roger
uraniumcommittee@yahoo.com - 25 Aug 2005 22:25 GMT
> Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid
> street photography. I have a canonet ql g 111, which is ideal...but I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thanks,
> Jm

Ever hear of the company and camera called Leica?

http://www.leica-camera.com/index_e.html
Alan Browne - 26 Aug 2005 00:20 GMT
> Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid
> street photography.

Having sampled the delicious, delectable and desirable ladies of BA (at
least with my eyes) I can imagine what you are aiming for!

Find a good used rangefinder.  Or if you need a snappy, small and cheap
autofocus film SLR, any of the main OEM's offerings at the low end
should suffice.

It really depends on how discerning a lens buyer you are...

Cheers,
Alan.

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jodledums@yahoo.co.uk - 30 Aug 2005 15:55 GMT
This is great feedback....Could I ask  for a step by step guide on how
to set hyperfocal focusing on the canonet...using 400asa film, and
trying to get the best results the lens will allow? I 'm not sure I
fully understand how to do it?
thanks,...Jm

>> Hi, I am going to Buenos Aires, with a particular interest in candid
>> street photography.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Cheers,
>Alan.
That_Rich - 30 Aug 2005 23:12 GMT
>This is great feedback....Could I ask  for a step by step guide on how
>to set hyperfocal focusing on the canonet...using 400asa film, and
>trying to get the best results the lens will allow? I 'm not sure I
>fully understand how to do it?
>thanks,...Jm

http://dfleming.ameranet.com/custom.html

http://bobatkins.com/photography/technical/depth_of_field_calc.html

Here is a page with a bunch of links.....

http://home.online.no/~gjon/depth.htm

Have fun...

RP©
 
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