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Popular Photography Review of F6

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PGG - 23 Feb 2005 04:13 GMT
In this month's issue of Popular Photography is a review of the Nikon
F6.  They have a pro/con list called the "What's Hot" and "What's Not".

Here is one striking quote from the What's Not:  "Recording medium
requires chemical processing before it can be read."

LOL!!  I think they've lost their mind.  
Woodchuck Bill - 23 Feb 2005 04:23 GMT
> In this month's issue of Popular Photography is a review of the
> Nikon F6.  They have a pro/con list called the "What's Hot" and
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>
> LOL!!  I think they've lost their mind.  

Perhaps they should change the name of the magazine to Popular Digital
Photography. ;-)

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Scott W - 23 Feb 2005 06:45 GMT
Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical processing is not
to some extent a down side, and one that will keep the sales level of
this camera much lower then if it had been introduced say 5 years ago.

In a way it is a recognition that cameras are cameras whether they are
digital or film and it is fair to compare that good and the bad across
the whole field of otherwise similar cameras.  

Scott
Bill Tuthill - 23 Feb 2005 18:09 GMT
>> Here is one striking quote from the What's Not:  "Recording medium
>> requires chemical processing before it can be read."
>>
>> LOL!!  I think they've lost their mind.  

Could be a joke.  Considering their audience, it's kind of a joke
to even review the F6.

> Perhaps they should change the name of the magazine to
> Popular Digital Photography. ;-)

Their full name is

[Bait & Switch Monthly, AKA] Popular Photography and [Fad] Imaging
(the magazine formerly known as Modern Photography)
Michael Weinstein - 24 Feb 2005 02:21 GMT
>>> Here is one striking quote from the What's Not:  "Recording medium
>>> requires chemical processing before it can be read."
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>  [Bait & Switch Monthly, AKA] Popular Photography and [Fad] Imaging
>  (the magazine formerly known as Modern Photography)

I always thought Modern was better than Popular Photog and was sad when
Pop Photog absorbed the better one. Well, no accounting for popular
taste.
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Dominic Richens - 24 Feb 2005 20:14 GMT
>> Their full name is
>>
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> when Pop Photog absorbed the better one. Well, no accounting for
> popular taste.

Agreed.  MP had articles on photographers, shooting, the art of image
making, with just a few equipment and film articles.  I loves their reader
"shoot-in" column where four reader photos would be critiqued.

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Brian C. Baird - 24 Feb 2005 20:45 GMT
> > I always thought Modern was better than Popular Photog and was sad
> > when Pop Photog absorbed the better one. Well, no accounting for
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> making, with just a few equipment and film articles.  I loves their reader
> "shoot-in" column where four reader photos would be critiqued.

Well, Pop Photo does have some articles on photographers, but they read
more like promotional materials than actual interest pieces.  They
occasionally have decent "How-to" lighting articles or how to recreate a
specific shot.  The do critique a few photos an issue, but it's buried.

Overall Pop Photo is a trashy magazine.  But it's cheap enough to make
decent bathroom reading.
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Bob Hickey - 23 Feb 2005 11:54 GMT
> In this month's issue of Popular Photography is a review of the Nikon
> F6.  They have a pro/con list called the "What's Hot" and "What's Not".
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>                    Now I remember why I stopped buying that rag years ago.
Used to be a nice mag years ago.   Bob Hickey
ethan melad - 26 Feb 2005 05:27 GMT
>Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical processing is not
>to some extent a down side..

i really dont find it hard to argue at all...
film looks better, plain and simple.
Scott W - 26 Feb 2005 06:23 GMT
> >Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical processing is not
> >to some extent a down side..
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Well now the question was not does film make a better photo, the
question was is that fact that it needs chemical procession a downs
side.  I could say the same thing about say ISO 100 film and ISO 800
film, there is a down side to ISO 100 film, it is slower and therefore
harder to use in low light conditions, but I think everyone would agree
that the photos from ISO 100 film would look better. Point being that
maybe the camera is good overall but it does have some downsides and
one of those is that fact that it needs chemical processing.

Scott
Scott W - 26 Feb 2005 06:50 GMT
> >Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical processing is not
> >to some extent a down side..
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Well now the question was not does film make a better photo, the
question was is that fact that it needs chemical procession a downs
side.  I could say the same thing about say ISO 100 film and ISO 800
film, there is a down side to ISO 100 film, it is slower and therefore
harder to use in low light conditions, but I think everyone would agree
that the photos from ISO 100 film would look better. Point being that
maybe the camera is good overall but it does have some downsides and
one of those is that fact that it needs chemical processing.

Scott
Woodard R. Springstube - 27 Feb 2005 02:38 GMT
>>Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical
>>processing is not to some extent a down side..
>
> i really dont find it hard to argue at all...
> film looks better, plain and simple.

The reality is that everything involves trade-offs.  Film has,
to my eye, a great advantage in quality of the finished photo,
compared to digital.  The chemical processing, in our
environmentally sensitive age, is a down side.  By the way,
photography is not the only art form that may face changes due
to environmentalism.  There is talk that the various cadmium
pigments (cadmium red, cadmium yellow, cadmium orange, etc.) may
be banned because of environmental and health risks.  That is a
shame because no other red or yellow pigments are quite as
bright and still reasonably lightfast.  Many of the synthetic
organic pigments are just as nice when fresh, but are fugitive
as hell when exposed to light.  What a shame.  Maybe it won't
happen.
Alan Browne - 27 Feb 2005 15:50 GMT
>>>Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical
>>>processing is not to some extent a down side..
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> photography is not the only art form that may face changes due
> to environmentalism.  There is talk that the various cadmium

Do have an inkling of what is involved in chip making?

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Scott W - 27 Feb 2005 19:36 GMT
> >>>Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical
> >>>processing is not to some extent a down side..
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>
> Do have an inkling of what is involved in chip making?
I do, I do! :)

Scott

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Woodard R. Springstube - 28 Feb 2005 02:14 GMT
>>>>Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical
>>>>processing is not to some extent a down side..
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>
> Do have an inkling of what is involved in chip making?

I know, I know.  But, when the tree huggers get started, they
tend to do two things: First, they ignore the environmental
damage that is involved with anything that THEY use.  Second,
they never allow facts to get in the way of "the cause."
Scott W - 28 Feb 2005 03:31 GMT
> >>>>Well it is pretty hard to argue that needing chemical
> >>>>processing is not to some extent a down side..
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> damage that is involved with anything that THEY use.  Second,
> they never allow facts to get in the way of "the cause."
Whereas it is true there are some really nasty chemicals use in the
production of IC the amount of these use to produce a sensor is
extremely small, the amount of photographic chemicals saved on the
other hand is fairly large over the life of a camera.

Also the real nasty stuff used in the IC plants does not tend to make
it into the environment.

Having said all that I would not worry all that much about using film,
based on evniromental damage.

Scott
 
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