Or not.
Skip M:
Decent enough composition - interest subject, at least. Nothing amazes
me about it, just a decent photograph.
Peter Chant:
It's... a building. Nothing ground breaking here, but it fits the
mandate.
Bob Hickey:
It's... a beach. I think it would have been better with more dramatic
lighting and some additional contrast. And hot women in bikinis.
Bret Douglas:
Hey, a shot of something other than a cat, bird or cheerleader! And
it's pretty damned good, too. I would have dodged the rocks a bit, but
that's a minor complaint. How much did you crop this, BTW?
Quercus:
Nice framing, good exposure. Would have liked to seen the sun at a
different angle to the windmill, but that's me.
The Dave:
I was toying with an idea similar to this but decided not to when I
couldn't find any candies worth shooting. I would have used a narrower
depth of field to make things a little more interesting visually.
Doug Payne:
Oh you, with the bucking of the mandate! Well, the foreground is
black... the clouds white. I suppose if I was drunk enough, this would
pass.
Tom Hudson:
Nice picture of an old Tudor building. I know what you're getting at
with the style and such, but I don't know if I'd put a greater emphasis
on the black and white portion of the building.
Ken Nadvornick:
Ken, I never thought I'd be saying this to you, but: That flash is
really harsh, man.
Simon Lee:
Good picture that fits the mandate in your usual off-the-wall style. I
would have been tempted to leave the picture in color just to give the
mandate a kick in the pants - after all, the Spies will still be black
and white.
In a related note, one of my alternate (bad) ideas was to photograph a
Lego model of Darth Vader against a white background with some dramatic
lighting ala your Boba Fett picture. It just didn't turn out well, so
my attempt to impersonate your style failed this time.
Steve McCartney:
Nice picture, feels cozy and intimate. But what horrible news!
"Corruption Scam Engulfs Thai PM"!
Bruce Murphy:
Feels like this was a "crop an old picture to fit the mandate" job. And
it was. Shame on you.
Walt Hanks:
Can't say enough good things about this picture. Excellent! Love the
texture of the petals.
Bowser:
Bulldozers do indeed have a lot of texture. Good framing, the text
fades and doesn't intrude on the composition.
Joseph Kewfi:
Snapshot of an Elvis impersonator. Simple, works. ARCHIVED SHOT? You
mean you don't have Elvis impersonators on call for your every
photographic whim?
Jim Kramer:
Again with the dogs! I'm partial to labs, so I do enjoy this photo.
R. Schenck:
Is it the bottom of an aquarium? A model ship dumped at a gravel yard?
I can't tell. Cropping could be a little better.
Christian Gatien:
The baby's face should be out of focus, but I don't think the
interesting moment (the touch) is highlighted enough to maximize impact.
Specifically the adult's hand is a little too dark and masked in shadow.
Eric Quesnel-Williams:
I like it. Interesting choice of effects, they seem to have worked to
make an interesting image. Too bad there aren't letters falling off a
movie title from 15 years ago - that would have been icing on the cake.
Al Denelsbeck:
Looks like the point of focus was slightly behind the main subject.
Otherwise very nice.
Brian Baird:
An egg lamp? AN EGG LAMP? It looks like you put this picture together
in two seconds. Oh, you did? YOU'RE A HORRIBLE PHOTOGRAPHER!
Matt Clara:
Again with the street people! Actually, I don't know if you take a lot
of pictures of street people. Looks a little dark, but it could be my
monitor.
Vic Mason:
It's a lamp. It took me a while to figure that out. I feel the
lighting could be more dramatic, but it would be really hard to do that
without sacrificing the detail on the lamp.
As always, my opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, a shot of
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Bruce Murphy - 25 Oct 2004 04:07 GMT
> Bruce Murphy:
> Feels like this was a "crop an old picture to fit the mandate" job. And
> it was. Shame on you.
In all fairness, I wanted to do either this or a flank shot for the
mandate, but the *SWINE WHO BORROWED MY CAMERA* didn't bring it back
in time, so I was forced to grab something similar from an archive
shot.
In my defence, this was the archive shot from about 5 weeks ago that
was actually the inspiration for the shot I would have taken, if it
weren't for the... Oh, I give up. Anyway, that's what springs to mind
when I think about black and white too. Fooey to people who use film
to enforce black and white on colour things!
B
Brian C. Baird - 25 Oct 2004 21:10 GMT
> > Bruce Murphy:
> > Feels like this was a "crop an old picture to fit the mandate" job. And
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> in time, so I was forced to grab something similar from an archive
> shot.
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Annika1980 - 25 Oct 2004 04:21 GMT
>From: Brian C. Baird nospam@please.no
>Bret Douglas:
>Hey, a shot of something other than a cat, bird or cheerleader!
You didn't notice the two little cheerleaders up on the rock?
>And it's pretty damned good, too. I would have dodged the rocks a bit, but
that's a minor complaint.
I probably should have lightened them up a bit, but I was going for the
silhouette effect.
I wanted the jumper and the girls to be dark and I thought it would look odd if
the rock was light.
>How much did you crop this, BTW?
Not too much cropping. Just some desaturation, flipping, leveling, and some
slight boob enhancement. The original looked more like this:
http://members.aol.com/annika1980/jumper.jpg
Thanks for your comments.
Peter Chant - 25 Oct 2004 18:15 GMT
> Not too much cropping. Just some desaturation, flipping, leveling, and some
> slight boob enhancement. The original looked more like this:
Why would you want to boob enhance?
Walt Hanks - 25 Oct 2004 04:46 GMT
> Or not.
>
> Walt Hanks:
> Can't say enough good things about this picture. Excellent! Love the
> texture of the petals.
Thank you very much. For those who are interested in the technical side
(which I submitted but wasn't posted), here it is:
Title: "Texture of Beauty"
Film: Kodak 200 Gold (changed to gray scale in photoshop with only a slight
adjustment to contrast)
Camera: Nikon F, 55/3.5; exposure unrecorded (yes, I really do still use my
F, especially with this lens)
Walt Hanks (aka photodad)
Ken Nadvornick - 25 Oct 2004 05:49 GMT
> Camera: Nikon F, 55/3.5; exposure unrecorded (yes, I really do still use my
> F, especially with this lens)
Hi Walt,
A Nikon F. I love it! As an owner/user of a couple of those new-fangled
Nikon F2's, I humbly bow down and bask in your reflected glory.
(There are still a few of us yet left who need only an aperture, a shutter
speed and a focusing ring...)
Ken
Annika1980 - 25 Oct 2004 14:07 GMT
>A Nikon F. I love it! As an owner/user of a couple of those new-fangled
>Nikon F2's, I humbly bow down and bask in your reflected glory.
>
>(There are still a few of us yet left who need only an aperture, a shutter
>speed and a focusing ring...)
And a few gallons of Rodinal.
Ken Nadvornick - 25 Oct 2004 22:03 GMT
"Ken Nadvornick" wrote:
> > A Nikon F. I love it! As an owner/user of a couple of those
> > new-fangled Nikon F2's, I humbly bow down and bask in your
> > reflected glory.
> >
> > (There are still a few of us yet left who need only an aperture,
> > a shutter speed and a focusing ring...)
"Annika1980" responded:
> And a few gallons of Rodinal.
Hi Bret,
Not to make the camera itself work... <g>
But I do confess to having a new, unopened 125ml bottle of the Agfa juice
down in my darkroom right now. However I usually use the stuff only for
large format (4x5) where grain is not an issue, and only rarely for the 35mm
miniature format.
For any format, though, it sure beats dragging those digital "curves" all
over the damned place with a mouse. YMMV. (Or even possibly be zero...
<w>)
Ken
P.S. And with the new "Erotica" mandate, I'm thinking this next two-week
period might best be spent using the 4x5 and opening that bottle of Rodinal.
Haven't had the cherry wood camera out in a while. And I'm not going to be
much good for taking photos of naked butts. A little outside my areas of
photographic interest...
Ken Nadvornick - 25 Oct 2004 05:37 GMT
> Ken Nadvornick:
> Ken, I never thought I'd be saying this to you, but: That
> flash is really harsh, man.
Hi Brian,
Many thanks for your comments. I thought this round contained a far more
interesting collection of submissions than usual. 'Course, I *am* somewhat
biased in the B&W direction... <g>
Regarding my submission, single point source, harsh lighting was, in fact,
the goal. And using it without losing tonality and balance was the
challenge. I wanted the smooth and glowing highlight tonality of the (black
and white) skull caricatures to appear to be looming out of a strong, but
velvety, near black background.
This is how I first noticed these Halloween masks as I drove home along a
rural road late one rainy night. The high-beams from my headlights made the
faces appear to be floating in a sea of darkness as they glared menacingly
at me. I leave it each viewer to decide if I managed to capture any part of
that initial impression.
My only regret is that I was unable to reduce the tone of tree trunk itself
down a couple of notches. (Sorry, no digital manipulations allowed.)
Ideally this could have been accomplished easily by throwing a bucket of
water over everything. Wouldn't have affected the masks or background, but
would have darkened the tree noticeably. Sort of the inverse of fill
lighting, I suppose.
Unfortunately, this solution could also have resulted in me getting shot at
by the inhabitants of the isolated house on the property. As it was they
did come out and look around after my flash lit up the area. Consequently,
this was the only frame I managed to expose, after which I made my getaway
by quietly disappearing into the inky darkness and walking the half-mile or
so back to my home.
Ken
Brian C. Baird - 25 Oct 2004 21:15 GMT
> Unfortunately, this solution could also have resulted in me getting shot at
> by the inhabitants of the isolated house on the property. As it was they
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>
> Ken
IF they were nice, you would have only gotten shot with rock salt. Hold
out a pretzel when they do it and you've got a tasty treat to take your
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Ken Nadvornick - 25 Oct 2004 22:40 GMT
> IF they were nice, you would have only gotten shot with rock
> salt. Hold out a pretzel when they do it and you've got a tasty
>treat to take your mind off the pain.
LOL!
But to be honest, I was more worried about a 30-06 deer rifle. Enough so
that when the thought of simply walking out from total darkness on a cold,
rainy night and saying, "I'm here to photograph your plastic skulls on that
tree..." occurred, I immediately purged it from my mind and briefly hid in
the woods instead. (I may be a weenie, but I'm a still-breathing weenie
with no unexpected holes anywhere. And there is something to be said for
that.)
On another note (are you reading along, Al?), after looking at all of the
submissions in more detail it occurs to me that this is one gallery that
could be very much improved by presenting the photographs on a white (or
neutral colored near-white) background. A black background works well to
key colors in a photo, making them appear more dramatic. But the tones in a
B&W photo usually key more effectively when the photo is presented on a
white mount board (or in this case the digital equivalent). Opinions?
Ken
S Lee - 25 Oct 2004 20:29 GMT
Brian C. Baird choreographed a chorus line of high-kicking electrons to
spell out:
> Simon Lee:
> Good picture that fits the mandate in your usual off-the-wall style.
> I would have been tempted to leave the picture in color just to give
> the mandate a kick in the pants - after all, the Spies will still be
> black and white.
I thought about that, but in the end the Mountain Dew can (and that
traffic light which I didn't notice until later) seemed a bit too
distracting.
As I have had a fairly busy schedule lately, the shot itself was a
grab from my run up to the PhotoPlus Expo in Manhattan and wasn't
particularly planned. But it does the job.
> In a related note, one of my alternate (bad) ideas was to photograph a
> Lego model of Darth Vader against a white background with some
> dramatic lighting ala your Boba Fett picture. It just didn't turn out
> well, so my attempt to impersonate your style failed this time.
I'm flattered nonetheless :)

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The Dave© - 25 Oct 2004 21:42 GMT
> Brian C. Baird wrote:
> The Dave:
> I was toying with an idea similar to this but decided not to when I
> couldn't find any candies worth shooting. I would have used a
> narrower depth of field to make things a little more interesting
> visually.
I had remembered that M&Ms had a contest where all the candies were
black and white and you won if you found the single colored one in your
package, or something like that. Apparantly, that contest is over
because I went to 5 or 6 stores before I found a couple packages left.
I shot several different variations, including many different DOF
shots, and this one ended up looking the best, in my humble opinion.
There was one with only one white candy in the lower left corner and
the shadow as the only black area, that was intriging, and another with
the shaows cast black upon the wall behind that was very good. In all,
I shot 52 pictures. Digital is great in that way.
This particular one for the SI has given me more satisfaction than the
other few I've submitted, I think because I shot purposely for the
mandate and put more thought and effort into it. It still didn't come
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The Dave© - 25 Oct 2004 21:42 GMT
> Brian C. Baird wrote:
> Bob Hickey:
> It's... a beach. I think it would have been better with more
> dramatic lighting and some additional contrast. And hot women in
> bikinis.
Hot women in bikinis make any picture look better.

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st3ph3nm - 26 Oct 2004 03:19 GMT
> Steve McCartney:
> Nice picture, feels cozy and intimate. But what horrible news!
> "Corruption Scam Engulfs Thai PM"!
>
:)
Thanks for the comments, Brian. That's my Dad. I had fun with this
mandate, and once Dad got absorbed into the article, it was easy to
grab a half dozen shots or so. It's funny what they say about
portraits being better with longer lenses - I tried a few with my
70-200 at about 80-100 or so, but they really didn't work. But then,
I really wanted the newspaper to add to the "b&w" theme.
I'm still learning (very much so) about simple stuff like exposure,
and I commented to my wife after looking at the shots (some of them
backlit) that just 12 months ago I wouldn't have got this shot well
exposed at all. It's really nice to see when you've made some
progress.
Cheers,
Steve
(off to find some erotica - honestly, hon, it's for the mandate!) ;)
jimkramer - 26 Oct 2004 03:40 GMT
> Or not.
>
> Jim Kramer:
> Again with the dogs! I'm partial to labs, so I do enjoy this photo.
The majority of the money I make is from those "dogs" ;-)
That dog in particular is my wife's. His name is Buddy. This was at a
hunting retriever practice day.
I was once again underwhelmed with C-41 process B&W, Illford's XP2 Super
this time. I was tipped off that there was already a rose in the gallery
and that was the only other set of shots on the roll that was tempting.
Canon Elan 7NE 75-300mm IS, 2??mm, F/11ish, 1/250 S
Jim Kramer
Skip M - 26 Oct 2004 06:09 GMT
> Or not.
>
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> As always, my opinions should be taken with a grain of salt, a shot of
> tequila and a sense of humor.
It wasn't really meant as an amazing image. It was taken during a wedding
on Sunset Cliffs, the bride's brother had been playing during the procession
and ceremony. After the wedding, the violin, waves and music (Note the
title: Lover's Waltz) reflected the overall feeling of the ceremony.
As a technical note, it was taken with the 20D in black and white mode,
contrast and sharpness on +1, Red filter. I took advantage of the SI
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Alan Browne - 26 Oct 2004 15:25 GMT
> It wasn't really meant as an amazing image. It was taken during a wedding
> on Sunset Cliffs, the bride's brother had been playing during the procession
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> contrast and sharpness on +1, Red filter. I took advantage of the SI
> mandate to try that out, and feel that it was fairly successful.
It is a well executed shot and oddly enough compliments Bret's shot in several ways.
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Skip M - 27 Oct 2004 05:25 GMT
>> It wasn't really meant as an amazing image. It was taken during a
>> wedding on Sunset Cliffs, the bride's brother had been playing during the
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> Cheers,
> Alan
Thanks, but as far as complimenting Bret's shot, what, is that the groom
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Alan Browne - 27 Oct 2004 14:48 GMT
> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
>>It is a well executed shot and oddly enough compliments Bret's shot in
>>several ways.
> Thanks, but as far as complimenting Bret's shot, what, is that the groom
> having second thoughts?? ;-)
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Robert Barr - 26 Oct 2004 15:13 GMT
> Eric Quesnel-Williams:
> I like it. Interesting choice of effects, they seem to have worked to
> make an interesting image. Too bad there aren't letters falling off a
> movie title from 15 years ago - that would have been icing on the cake.
This is a really interesting shot. It's obviously not ancient -- the
lettering is too modern, and it looks like there's an actual outdoor
theater screen in the background -- but it feels old & forgotten. The
treatment is pretty cool.
This is one time where some litter in the foreground would add
something. A few discarded beer bottles, maybe. (Of course, there is
no foreground...).
R.Schenck - 28 Oct 2004 04:57 GMT
Brian C. Baird <nospam@please.no> on 24 Oct 2004 posted
> R. Schenck:
> Is it the bottom of an aquarium? A model ship dumped at a gravel yard?
> I can't tell. Cropping could be a little better.
There's a deep sea diver right behind the toy boat.
No? Ok. Beleive it or not, thats what our beaches look like around here.
Yes, I should've cropped it. The scan cut out that bit around the bottom,
didn't realize.
Quercus - 30 Oct 2004 09:39 GMT
> Quercus:
> Nice framing, good exposure.
Thanks, I focused in those. I'm trying to get interesting framings in my
pictures, having some trouble with interesting exposures though.
Would have liked to seen the sun at a
> different angle to the windmill, but that's me.
Hmmm... That's what happens with the sun, you cannot put it where you
want ;-) But, yes, may be with a little more illuminated windmill the
picture would improve.
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Brian C. Baird - 30 Oct 2004 13:07 GMT
> Would have liked to seen the sun at a
> > different angle to the windmill, but that's me.
>
> Hmmm... That's what happens with the sun, you cannot put it where you
> want ;-) But, yes, may be with a little more illuminated windmill the
> picture would improve.
If only the sun rotated around the earth...

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