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[SI] "Hidden in Plain Sight" is now posted!

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Al Denelsbeck - 19 Jul 2004 00:00 GMT
       http://www.pbase.com/shootin/hidden

       I get a kick out of watching the page counts going up as I'm actually
uploading the details. TP, is that you?

       Have fun, everyone, offer comments ;-)

    - Al.

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Brian C. Baird - 19 Jul 2004 02:04 GMT
>         http://www.pbase.com/shootin/hidden
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>     - Al.

I like Vic Mason's submission.  Very sublime.  Can you spot the cell
phone tower?
Sabineellen - 19 Jul 2004 03:31 GMT
>I like Vic Mason's submission.  Very sublime.  Can you spot the cell
>phone tower?

I was wondering if that was the thing that was "hidden". Cell phone or
electricity tower hidden in the palm tree or something...

It's interesting that this was an amusing collection of photographs, given the
mandate, because i found myself scanning each one of them looking for that
"hidden in plain sight" thing.

My favorite is Ken Nadvornick's submission. It's just beautiful.

The cutest is Bret's. That kitty is gushingly cute.

It took me three viewings before I noticed the lizard in Al's submission. I was
distracted by things in the background. I thought that was a moth on that stem.

I'm still trying to figure out what's "hidden" in the 3 B&W ones other than
Ken's.
R.Schenck - 19 Jul 2004 03:37 GMT
sabineellen@aol.com (Sabineellen) on 18 Jul 2004 posted

>>I like Vic Mason's submission.  Very sublime.  Can you spot the cell
>>phone tower?
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I'm still trying to figure out what's "hidden" in the 3 B&W ones other
> than Ken's.

EQW's has some sort of building facade in the deep background.  Guess it
lives up to the specs.

Baird's is KGB.  Or Perhaps plain hydro.
Sabineellen - 19 Jul 2004 05:43 GMT
>EQW's has some sort of building facade in the deep background.  Guess it
>lives up to the specs.
>
>Baird's is KGB.  Or Perhaps plain hydro.

What's KGB?

What about Brian Fane's and Steve McCartney's?
BFane - 19 Jul 2004 14:20 GMT
>>EQW's has some sort of building facade in the deep background.  Guess it
>>lives up to the specs.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> What about Brian Fane's and Steve McCartney's?

Mine is a bit of a stretch, I admit. Maybe I was just in a bad mood when I started thinking
about this mandate.

Mine's a bit of a commentary about how people around here treat stop signs. Since I've almost
been hit several times by people that do little more than give the brakes a courtesy tap as
they blow through an intersection, I figure these stop signs must be darn difficult to see.

I was trying to find a sign that was facing east/west, so I could get a low sun behind it
and black it out, to emphasize the hidden part. Unfortunately, where I was all the stop
signs were north/south.
I.Reject.Spam@my.isp - 19 Jul 2004 16:50 GMT
Archived from BFane <nobody@nowhere.invalid> on Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:20:42
-0000:

>>>EQW's has some sort of building facade in the deep background.  Guess it
>>>lives up to the specs.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>and black it out, to emphasize the hidden part. Unfortunately, where I was all the stop
>signs were north/south.

I suspected that's what it was.  In Los Angeles Stop Signs and Red Lights
are definitely optional.   Cheers.  vm
R.Schenck - 20 Jul 2004 02:12 GMT
BFane <nobody@nowhere.invalid> on 19 Jul 2004 posted

>>>EQW's has some sort of building facade in the deep background.  Guess
>>>it lives up to the specs.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> a low sun behind it and black it out, to emphasize the hidden part.
> Unfortunately, where I was all the stop signs were north/south.

maybe you coulda gotten a shot of a car ignoring the sign and plowing
into your car.  hmm, maybe thats not such a good idea.
R.Schenck - 19 Jul 2004 17:44 GMT
> >EQW's has some sort of building facade in the deep background.  Guess it
> >lives up to the specs.
> >
> >Baird's is KGB.  Or Perhaps plain hydro.
>
> What's KGB?

Killer Green Bud, as they say on the street.

> What about Brian Fane's and Steve McCartney's?

Yeah i couldn't tell what was in them either.  Of course mine is
probably a more than a little bit of a stretch; seeing the other
submissions.
Brian C. Baird - 19 Jul 2004 23:14 GMT
> > What's KGB?
>
> Killer Green Bud, as they say on the street.

It's a dwarf cutleaf maple that's "hidden" in my front yard.
R.Schenck - 20 Jul 2004 02:13 GMT
Brian C. Baird <nospam@please.no> on 19 Jul 2004 posted

>> > What's KGB?
>>
>> Killer Green Bud, as they say on the street.
>
> It's a dwarf cutleaf maple that's "hidden" in my front yard.

oh...i thought it was....somethign else...grumble grumble....
Brian C. Baird - 20 Jul 2004 02:24 GMT
> > It's a dwarf cutleaf maple that's "hidden" in my front yard.
>
> oh...i thought it was....somethign else...grumble grumble....

I see.  Now I know where YOUR mind is.

*cough* stoner *cough*

;)
Brian C. Baird - 19 Jul 2004 23:12 GMT
> Baird's is KGB.  Or Perhaps plain hydro.

I hid who in the what now? ;)
Annika1980 - 19 Jul 2004 23:39 GMT
Here's a few that I considered submitting:

http://www.pbase.com/image/31516269
http://www.pbase.com/image/31516270
http://www.pbase.com/image/31516271
Al Denelsbeck - 19 Jul 2004 23:55 GMT
> Here's a few that I considered submitting:

<snip>
> http://www.pbase.com/image/31516270

       I think that's a katydid.

    - Al.

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Annika1980 - 20 Jul 2004 04:08 GMT
>From: Al Denelsbeck news@wadingin.net

>http://www.pbase.com/image/31516270
>
>        I think that's a katydid.

You are correct, sir.  So noted and notated.
R.Schenck - 20 Jul 2004 02:14 GMT
annika1980@aol.com (Annika1980) on 19 Jul 2004 posted

> http://www.pbase.com/image/31516270

what is that shot with a macro lens or something?  

You musta colourized the four leaf clover too no?
Annika1980 - 20 Jul 2004 04:05 GMT
>From: "R.Schenck" nygdan_morteauxspam@yahoo.com

>http://www.pbase.com/image/31516270
>
>what is that shot with a macro lens or something?  

I used the Super 70-200 f/2.8L w/ extension tubes.  Taken at a distance of less
than two feet.

>You musta colourized the four leaf clover too no?

No, I simply desaturated the rest of the clovers.
st3ph3nm - 19 Jul 2004 09:38 GMT
> It's interesting that this was an amusing collection of photographs, given the
> mandate, because i found myself scanning each one of them looking for that
> "hidden in plain sight" thing.
>
> My favorite is Ken Nadvornick's submission. It's just beautiful.
<snip>
> I'm still trying to figure out what's "hidden" in the 3 B&W ones other than
> Ken's.

Well, I can't speak for the others, but for me, it was this part of
Matt's mandate that got me going:

"You know, those everyday things that go unnoticed?...In a way, they
were
quite interesting, but they go unnoticed by all but those like us"

The shot I took was of the sign on the corner of my street, which I've
walked past countless times, never thinking of taking a photograph of
it.  Right there all along:  Hidden in Plain Sight.

In fact, I could argue that it's closer to the mandate than Bret's
photo - that kitten is not in plain sight! :)

Cheers,
Steve
Annika1980 - 19 Jul 2004 13:23 GMT
>From: sgam@hotmail.com  (st3ph3nm)

>The shot I took was of the sign on the corner of my street, which I've
>walked past countless times, never thinking of taking a photograph of
>it.  Right there all along:  Hidden in Plain Sight.
>
>In fact, I could argue that it's closer to the mandate than Bret's
>photo - that kitten is not in plain sight! :)

Well I saw it.
Everything is in plain sight if you just look.
st3ph3nm - 20 Jul 2004 02:31 GMT
> >From: sgam@hotmail.com  (st3ph3nm)
>  
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Well I saw it.
> Everything is in plain sight if you just look.

And the inverse of that statement is this:
Everything is hidden if you don't look.

My post wasn't a shot at Bret's photo (which I like - note the
smiley), more a comment on what the mandate meant to me when I was out
with my camera.

At the end of the day, I wonder if it's that important anyway, except
as an inspiration to think a little differently when we're out taking
photos?

Cheers,
Steve
Ken Nadvornick - 20 Jul 2004 20:33 GMT
> My favorite is Ken Nadvornick's submission. It's just beautiful.

Thanks, Mike.  That's high praise, indeed - and much appreciated.

This one was a little different for me.  Normally I spend a fair amount of
time thinking about what I want to achieve (remember that recent
rec.photo.digital thread regarding all those 500+ exposures-per-week
fellows?) before picking up a camera.  That's a carryover from lugging
around a 4x5, I suppose.

But in this case I was simply walking along the side of a wharf building
when I turned to my left and saw this inevitable composition present itself.
I couldn't believe my luck.  (With apologies to those 500+ guys...) I still
exposed only ten negatives.  Two were with a 180mm f/2.8 (too tight) and the
remaining eight with a 35-105mm f/3.5-4.5 zoom.

As the subject was obviously static at the moment, the retakes were solely
for the purpose of insuring sharp focus, as I happened to have only a plain
groundglass focusing screen installed in my Nikon F2 at that moment.  The
image printed and submitted was the sharpest of the set.

Thanks, again.

Ken
I.Reject.Spam@my.isp - 19 Jul 2004 16:51 GMT
Archived from Brian C. Baird <nospam@please.no> on Mon, 19 Jul 2004
01:04:09 GMT:

>>         http://www.pbase.com/shootin/hidden
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I like Vic Mason's submission.  Very sublime.  Can you spot the cell
>phone tower?

Thanks Brian.   It was a toss up between that one and this:
http://www.phlower.com/rework/reworked.htm

There are something like 250 rusting Air Raid Sirens scattered across the
City of Los Angeles, relics of a bygone era. Most folks don't see them.  If
they do, they may not know their original purpose.    Cheers.  vm
Sabineellen - 19 Jul 2004 22:29 GMT
>There are something like 250 rusting Air Raid Sirens scattered across the
>City of Los Angeles, relics of a bygone era.

haha... how unlikely it is that someone would launch an air raid on LA.
William Graham - 19 Jul 2004 22:37 GMT
> >There are something like 250 rusting Air Raid Sirens scattered across the
> >City of Los Angeles, relics of a bygone era.
>
> haha... how unlikely it is that someone would launch an air raid on LA.

Yes.....If you didn't count the people killed, it's hardly worth the powder
to blow it up......As a matter of fact, they are tearing down perfectly good
buildings all the time just to put up others that are no better........
I.Reject.Spam@my.isp - 20 Jul 2004 00:43 GMT
Archived from "William Graham" <weg9@comcast.net> on Mon, 19 Jul 2004
21:37:41 GMT:

>> >There are something like 250 rusting Air Raid Sirens scattered across the
>> >City of Los Angeles, relics of a bygone era.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>to blow it up......As a matter of fact, they are tearing down perfectly good
>buildings all the time just to put up others that are no better........

Ah yes, but just think of all the unemployment that is avoided by the
never-ending work of tearing down bricks and mortar and putting up huge
buildings made from Lego.   And the economy. It's marvelous the way this
keeps the wheels of industry turning.  

Vic
I.Reject.Spam@my.isp - 20 Jul 2004 00:40 GMT
Archived from sabineellen@aol.com (Sabineellen) on 19 Jul 2004 21:29:03
GMT:

>>There are something like 250 rusting Air Raid Sirens scattered across the
>>City of Los Angeles, relics of a bygone era.
>
>haha... how unlikely it is that someone would launch an air raid on LA.

Heh. Never heard of the 1942 Battle of Los Angeles?

http://www.militarymuseum.org/BattleofLA.html

vm
Roger Halstead - 20 Jul 2004 04:23 GMT
>>         http://www.pbase.com/shootin/hidden
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I like Vic Mason's submission.  Very sublime.  Can you spot the cell
>phone tower?

Easily.  I just looked for something that didn't belong.
"Those leaves are kinda strange"<:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
I.Reject.Spam@my.isp - 20 Jul 2004 18:29 GMT
Archived from Roger Halstead <Delete-Invallid.groups@tm.net> on Tue, 20 Jul
2004 03:23:10 GMT:

>>>         http://www.pbase.com/shootin/hidden
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>www.rogerhalstead.com

Those leaves should look strange.  The whole structure is fake. The trunk
is essentially a telephone pole and the leaves just don't get anymore
plastic than that.  :-)  Cheers.  vm
Roger Halstead - 22 Jul 2004 02:12 GMT
>Archived from Roger Halstead <Delete-Invallid.groups@tm.net> on Tue, 20 Jul
>2004 03:23:10 GMT:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>is essentially a telephone pole and the leaves just don't get anymore
>plastic than that.  :-)  Cheers.  vm

I've seen them.  Up close the bolts in the base give them away<:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
st3ph3nm - 19 Jul 2004 05:26 GMT
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/hidden
>
>         I get a kick out of watching the page counts going up as I'm actually
> uploading the details. TP, is that you?
>
>         Have fun, everyone, offer comments ;-)

Ken, excellent social comment!  Really liked it.

Matt, I think yours is the highlight, aesthetically speaking.

As for me, this is the first time I've taken part in a project of this
type, and found it really inspirational - I'm still thinking of ideas
for "Hidden...", but now have to move on!  It's a great idea.

Thanks,

Steve McCartney
R.Schenck - 19 Jul 2004 17:51 GMT
> > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/hidden
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> type, and found it really inspirational - I'm still thinking of ideas
> for "Hidden...", but now have to move on!  It's a great idea.

Of course, the night before the submission date, i was at a wedding,
and the father-of-the-bride and the bride were dancing.  All night it
had been too dark to get a photo, but right then they were silhouetted
by a pretty strong video camera light.  I thought, cripes, they're
hidden in plain sight (sorta).  Then they left and it was too late.
The camera had been out of reach too, since i didn't think it'd be
useful the rest of the night.  But that woulda been nice.

I know that while I am looking for entrances/exits, I am going to
think 'doh, -that- woulda been a good hidden in plain sight too.
st3ph3nm - 20 Jul 2004 02:34 GMT
> I know that while I am looking for entrances/exits, I am going to
> think 'doh, -that- woulda been a good hidden in plain sight too.

My wife just came out with three ideas for hidden in plain sight:

Car keys (she knows me too well).

Dirty clothes on the bedroom floor. (picking up a theme here?)

Glasses that someone has pushed up over their forehead.

Cheers,
Steve
Ken Nadvornick - 20 Jul 2004 21:25 GMT
> Ken, excellent social comment!  Really liked it.

Hi Steve,

Thanks so much.  This one seemed to come together with a minimum of effort.
That's usually not the case for me.

I liked the geometries present in your submission.  There is a sense of
energy and tension that, of course, complements the actual background
subject matter.  Good photo.  Hope you can continue submitting whenever
possible.

I also like the fact that five of the thirteen submissions were rendered as
monochromes, four of those true black-and-whites.  This is, I feel, a good
sign as B&W (or monochrome in general) represents a look back to the roots
of the medium.

Ken
st3ph3nm - 21 Jul 2004 06:47 GMT
> > Ken, excellent social comment!  Really liked it.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> subject matter.  Good photo.  Hope you can continue submitting whenever
> possible.

Thanks!  Ditto.
Similarly, this one came together pretty easily.  And to think, I was
just looking for a way to use up the film - I had taken other shots
that I intended to submit, but they were much weaker photos - and
fairly quickly took 3 or 4 shots of the sign.  I still have to work on
getting exposure accurate on backlit subjects like that, though.

I went out yesterday hunting for a good "Entrances and Exits", but
don't think I've got anything good, so far...

> I also like the fact that five of the thirteen submissions were rendered as
> monochromes, four of those true black-and-whites.  This is, I feel, a good
> sign as B&W (or monochrome in general) represents a look back to the roots
> of the medium.

I don't think B&W will ever "die".  Monochrome does have its
advantages in minimising visual "clutter".  I don't think that my
photo would have worked as well with a blue sky, for example.

Having said that, I'm loaded with Kodak High Definition 200 right now,
so my "E&E" submission is most likely going to be in colour. :)

Cheers,
Steve
R.Schenck - 20 Jul 2004 02:26 GMT
Al Denelsbeck <news@wadingin.net> on 18 Jul 2004 posted

>          http://www.pbase.com/shootin/hidden

       I feel like I should probably put my submission into context.  
Several of the other submissions are in good accord with the mandate, and
I don't want anyone to think that I wasn't at least -trying-.  Its an
interesting sculpture sitting outside an office building.  Every day
people throng past it, going in in the mornings and out in the evenings,
not really paying too much attention to it.  But its pretty big, and
should be damned well noticable. Its 'hidden, in plain site'. As might be
rather obvious, its a bunch of preproduction oxided bronzed looking coins
from around the world.   I suppose its supposed to look like an explosion
of wealth or something.  I guess one could say that the 'greed' inherent
in this 'money worship' is another aspect tht is 'hidden in plain sight',
but I certainly wasn't thinking that when I snapped the shot.
       Anyway, I felt that a straight portrait type shot would be
uninteresting, and this closer in look at it is a rather unusual
perspective I think.  You kinda can't tell where the central post is, and
you can also see the backs of the opposing 'coins' too.
       I'll conclude by saying that I am surprised no one whipped out some
infra red  camera or whatever and took a picture of somethign, thus
revealing that portion that is hidden in -plain- sight, but visible in
altered sight.
       Hmm, I'll have to try to crop the pic next time so that its not all
off center looking too.
 
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