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Troy Piggins - 29 Sep 2008 21:32 GMT Please accept my humble and inexperienced words.
---------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cassel 1: Like the warm colours. Not sure if it's cropped down from one shot or if it's a stitched pano.
Tim Conway 1: Looks like difficult lighting conditions. You can see the effects of the GND in the trees. Not sure if this was the right shot for a GND, although it has exposed the sky and FG well. FG seems to lack contrast?
Tim Conway 2: Not sure what it's a shot of or what story it's telling.
Bret Douglas 1: 182mm is wide? :) Good action shot.
Bret Douglas 2: Don't know why, but these sort of shots crack me up. In Dubai earlier this year I bought a print of a camel doing a similar thing. Cute. I like it.
Tim Conway 3: I like this one. Maybe a little more contrast for "pop"?
Tom Gabriel 3: I know the mandate is "wide", but this seems a little too sparse?
Tom Gabriel 1: Looks like a test snapshot while trying out a lens? But hey, it's a camera store and there's heaps of things to drool over in that shot. :)
Tom Gabriel 2: I like this one, although it feels as though the horizon is tilted to right? But train tracks like that lead me to 2 thoughts - they really suit wide angle shots, and I hope there aren't any trains coming! :)
Doug Payne 1: 6mm! Now that's wide! How come no fisheye effect? Corrected PP? Cool sky. Difficult to get that right and FG not so dark.
Doug Payne 2: This one looks a little "snapshotty"? Maybe the bike is too far out of frame? And the person on beach is distracting.
Russell Durtschi: I like this. Again, difficult lighting with FG in shade, sky in BG etc. I think it works well.
Simon Steel 1: I like the composition and it does say "wide", but the noise and odd colour saturation. HDR? Maybe little less saturation - or convert to B&W. Yeah, I'd like to see that.
Simon Steel 2: Similar feel to the first one. Like the shot, not as much as the other one, but the HDR is putting me off.
Jim Kramer 3: Wide-eyed? Like the catchlights - was trying to see what else I could find in the reflections.
Jim Kramer 1: I really like this one. Great exposure and composition, sells the "wide" both in focal length and in the story.
Jim Kramer 2: Don't understand the "wide" in this one - macro?
Cooper 1: I like this one. Great action shot, wide (oh, it's 105mm cropped). Shame the water wasn't blue and the surfer's face is so dark. Looks very contrasty.
Cooper 2: 200mm cropped doesn't make it wide ;)
Troy Piggins Jump: As I commented on the shot - "not quite the effect I was after. Think I needed to get closer to them and more underneath. The fence rail was supposed to add something to FG but just looks like it's in the way IMO. Was also trying fill flash which I have yet to master." Could probably also do with a bit more PP - contrast/curves for "pop".
Troy Piggins Milky Way: "shot with 17-55 lens w/hood, ISO1600, f/2.8, and 30s exposure. There was heaps of light pollution. Only processing was a bit of noise reduction and playing with curves. Not the best shot, but I was surprised at the result none the less." Still a bit noisy. But hey, nothing says "wide" like a couple of million lightyears wide :)
Martha Coe 1: Nice colours. I've heard of "Gegendämmerung. Good to see it in practice. Bit underexposed?
Martha Coe 2: Again, nice shot but bit under?
Bob Coe 1: Great interpretation! I like it. PS - I see you :)
Bob Coe 2: Simple. Pretty centred. Reckon you could have cropped the left hand dog out, which isn't doing much anyway, have the riders going into the frame and the right dog is much more action.
Bob Coe 3: I like it - if a little centred again.
Alan Browne old: Good exposure. I'd like to see the shot she took :)
Alan Browne old 4: Now I like this one. It definitely says "wide". SO adding interest. Great shot IMO.
Alan Browne old 1: Amazes me that there are still ghost towns. Good colours, maybe harsh light of midday making the walls dark.
Bowser 1: Is it wide because there are 6 guys linking arms, or because each one of them individually is wide? :) Good capture. PS - #73 doesn't appear to like holding hands with men :)
Bowser 3: Now that's W-I-D-E. Another great shot, use of wide, both lens and subject.
Bowser 2: I'd like the flags to dominate more. To me they're certainly noticeable, but the building in BG fighting for attention (if that makes sense). Wonder what the shot looking up the slope looked like?
Bret Douglas 5: Great action shot and interpretation of "wide". I like it a lot.
Solomon Peachy: Now that's one wide guinea pig! :)
Paul Furman: Really like this one too. Looks like an interesting place. ----------------------------------------------------------------
For me, the top shots were, in no particular order:
Jim Kramer 1 - the B&W cat in window Bob Coe 1 - Jelly Bean Alan Browne 4 - Death Valley Bowser 3 - fisheye groundscraper Bret Douglas 5 - eating contest Paul Furman - Mexico ruins
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Doug Payne - 29 Sep 2008 21:56 GMT > Doug Payne 1: > 6mm! Now that's wide! How come no fisheye effect? Corrected > PP? Cool sky. Difficult to get that right and FG not so dark. Note the camera; that 6mm on a little point'n shoot. About 35-36mm for 35mm film equiv. I had too much other stuff and too little storage space to carry the DSLR and lenses on this trip.
No corrections, other than correct use of spot metering on the grey just above the horizon. (Dunno what you mean by PP). I did rotate it about 1 degree or so to get the horizon level, but that's not really manipulation, just a compensation for my poor sense of level. I suppose I could've lightened the foreground, but I liked it the way it was, with the tree-line mirroring the edge of the clouds.
> Doug Payne 2: > This one looks a little "snapshotty"? Maybe the bike is too far > out of frame? And the person on beach is distracting. That's because it *is* a snapshot :-) I deliberately included the jogger (and her dog) because it made my eyes wander across the whole frame. Too wide for your taste?
Thanks for your comments.
P.S. my 3 photos are of (arguably) 3 of the 5 Great Lakes.
Troy Piggins - 29 Sep 2008 22:56 GMT * Doug Payne wrote :
>> Doug Payne 1: >> 6mm! Now that's wide! How come no fisheye effect? Corrected [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 35mm film equiv. I had too much other stuff and too little storage space > to carry the DSLR and lenses on this trip. Yeah, I figured that afterwards. Pretty good for a P&S.
> No corrections, other than correct use of spot metering on the grey just > above the horizon. (Dunno what you mean by PP). I did rotate it about 1 > degree or so to get the horizon level, but that's not really > manipulation, just a compensation for my poor sense of level. I suppose > I could've lightened the foreground, but I liked it the way it was, with > the tree-line mirroring the edge of the clouds. PP = post processing. Photoshop/Gimp/PTLens etc.
>> Doug Payne 2: >> This one looks a little "snapshotty"? Maybe the bike is too far >> out of frame? And the person on beach is distracting. > > That's because it *is* a snapshot :-) Ha! Well I'll shutup then :)
> I deliberately included the jogger > (and her dog) because it made my eyes wander across the whole frame. Too > wide for your taste? Yeah, for me it is. But everyone's taste is different, so take mine with a grain of salt. Maybe "too wide" isn't the phrase I'm looking for. Maybe it could have been more appealing by slightly different composition? Like I said, get the bike in more, or if you liked the girl on beach, get her even more into the shot rather than looking like a distraction?
> Thanks for your comments. > > P.S. my 3 photos are of (arguably) 3 of the 5 Great Lakes. No worries. Be brutal with comments on my shots ;)
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jimkramer - 29 Sep 2008 22:28 GMT > Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. > > Jim Kramer 3: > Wide-eyed? Like the catchlights - was trying to see what else I > could find in the reflections. Wide open - F1,4 on a 50mm with a 36mm extension tube. The only thing that's really in sharp focus is the reflection of his eyelashes on his iris.
:-)
> Jim Kramer 1: > I really like this one. Great exposure and composition, sells > the "wide" both in focal length and in the story. I just wished that the feeders lined up better as the image is a bit lopsided, but that's what I get for using pre-existing hooks. The damn cat would get down and come over to me every time I got the camera out. But she does love to watch the hummingbirds, especially in mass.
> Jim Kramer 2: > Don't understand the "wide" in this one - macro? MPE-65 at 5X the shell starts small but keeps getting wider. :-)
I know, I know, but I was trying to avoid all those wide landscape shots.
Thanks for commenting Troy. -Jim
Troy Piggins - 29 Sep 2008 23:05 GMT * jimkramer wrote :
>> Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that's really in sharp focus is the reflection of his eyelashes on his iris. > :-) Aah, I get it now. Good one :)
>> Jim Kramer 1: >> I really like this one. Great exposure and composition, sells [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > would get down and come over to me every time I got the camera out. But she > does love to watch the hummingbirds, especially in mass. Well I reckon it works well regardless.
>> Jim Kramer 2: >> Don't understand the "wide" in this one - macro? >> > MPE-65 at 5X the shell starts small but keeps getting wider. :-) > > I know, I know, but I was trying to avoid all those wide landscape shots. Haha! I see. Maybe the "wide" of the eye and shell were a little too far a throw for me to make the connection at first. Now I get it. I'm slow in the mornings. :)
> Thanks for commenting Troy. No worries mate. That's what it's all about. Look forward to yours.
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Alan Browne - 29 Sep 2008 22:29 GMT > Alan Browne old: > Good exposure. I'd like to see the shot she took :) A nice large meadow with flowers...
> Alan Browne old 4: > Now I like this one. It definitely says "wide". SO adding > interest. Great shot IMO. She certainly does. Always. ;-)
> Alan Browne old 1: > Amazes me that there are still ghost towns. Good colours, maybe > harsh light of midday making the walls dark. Regrettable consequence of a vacation schedule so that's where we were at that time... I took another shot focused on the leftside and street, a better composition really, but the wood is near dead black. Still, I shot nearly 4 rolls (of 12) at Bodie.
Thanks, Alan.
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Troy Piggins - 29 Sep 2008 23:07 GMT * Alan Browne wrote :
>> Alan Browne old: >> Good exposure. I'd like to see the shot she took :) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > a better composition really, but the wood is near dead black. Still, > I shot nearly 4 rolls (of 12) at Bodie. Yeah, gotta take the shot while you're there. That's travel photography for ya.
No worries, mate.
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Russell D. - 01 Oct 2008 05:52 GMT >> Alan Browne old: >> Good exposure. I'd like to see the shot she took :) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > a better composition really, but the wood is near dead black. Still, > I shot nearly 4 rolls (of 12) at Bodie. IMO, the harsh light helps make this photo. There is a reason it is a ghost town. It is in a harsh place. I almost makes my throat dry looking at it.
Russell
tony cooper - 29 Sep 2008 22:40 GMT >Cooper 1: >I like this one. Great action shot, wide (oh, it's 105mm [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Cooper 2: >200mm cropped doesn't make it wide ;) Darn it, I can't fool anyone anymore.
On the water color...I've taken a lot of shots of the Atlantic on the northeast coast of Florida, and the water just isn't blue. I can make it blue in Photoshop, but it isn't blue. Even flying over the water you don't see the blue color from Ft Lauderdale up. The water is gray with sand and sediment stirred up. It's more blue when you look down on it, but not from a beach view.
I'm a scuba diver, and I've been to many locations where the water is actually blue. For the ocean to be blue in a photograph, you need fairly shallow water with the right kind of sea bed.
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Troy Piggins - 29 Sep 2008 23:11 GMT * tony cooper wrote :
>> Cooper 1: >> I like this one. Great action shot, wide (oh, it's 105mm [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Darn it, I can't fool anyone anymore.
:)
> On the water color...I've taken a lot of shots of the Atlantic on the > northeast coast of Florida, and the water just isn't blue. I can make [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > actually blue. For the ocean to be blue in a photograph, you need > fairly shallow water with the right kind of sea bed. Scuba diving - probably one of the few things I can safely say I will never attempt in my life. I've given most things a go at least once, but not that. Sharks. I'm petrified of them. I know, I know. Scuba diving you're "safe" from them, rarely attack, blah blah. Doesn't help me.
I figure if I'm on land and I see a snake, spider, hell I'll even give myself a chance against a lion or tiger, I can have a go at out-running or out-smarting it. But in the water, aint no way I can out-swim a shark! Game over.
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tony cooper - 29 Sep 2008 23:34 GMT >Scuba diving - probably one of the few things I can safely say I >will never attempt in my life. I've given most things a go at >least once, but not that. Sharks. I'm petrified of them. I >know, I know. Scuba diving you're "safe" from them, rarely >attack, blah blah. Doesn't help me. I've seen one shark in the water. Diving off of Bimini I caught a glimpse of a shark over my left shoulder. There was that familiar profile and that distinctive weaving through the water.
Underwater, you have no sense of size because there's nothing of known size to compare things to. I was about 20' down and 10' off the bottom.
The shark passed me at a fairly close distance and I could then tell it was a small nurse shark about 18" long. A completely harmless creature. My reaction wasn't "Small, harmless, nurse shark". It was "Shark!".
>I figure if I'm on land and I see a snake, spider, hell I'll even >give myself a chance against a lion or tiger, I can have a go at >out-running or out-smarting it. But in the water, aint no way I >can out-swim a shark! Game over. My fear is caves. I could never cave dive. I've swum into grottos, but never to the point where I can't see daylight. I could never go spelunking.
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Troy Piggins - 29 Sep 2008 23:52 GMT * tony cooper wrote :
>> Scuba diving - probably one of the few things I can safely say I >> will never attempt in my life. I've given most things a go at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > glimpse of a shark over my left shoulder. There was that familiar > profile and that distinctive weaving through the water. I think that's what I don't like about scuba. The tunnel vision, having to constantly look around etc. Paranoia...
> Underwater, you have no sense of size because there's nothing of known > size to compare things to. I was about 20' down and 10' off the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > creature. My reaction wasn't "Small, harmless, nurse shark". It was > "Shark!". That'd probably be my reaction, with a few expletives added for good measure. :)
>> I figure if I'm on land and I see a snake, spider, hell I'll even >> give myself a chance against a lion or tiger, I can have a go at [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > but never to the point where I can't see daylight. I could never go > spelunking. I understand cave diving is one of the most dangerous things you can do down there. Screw that for a joke.
Remember seeing a new story here last year I think. There was some waterfall overseas (?) where some guys had dived down underneath it to some incredible depth and some caverns I think. One didn't make it out alive. Some time later one of the other guys wanted to dive back down to retrieve the body. He didn't make it out alive the second time. Sad.
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Paul Furman - 30 Sep 2008 00:36 GMT > * tony cooper wrote : >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > That'd probably be my reaction, with a few expletives added for > good measure. :) Have you met Blinky? :-)
>>> I figure if I'm on land and I see a snake, spider, hell I'll even >>> give myself a chance against a lion or tiger, I can have a go at [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I understand cave diving is one of the most dangerous things you > can do down there. Screw that for a joke. My only brush with diving was watching my brother & SIL night dive in a sinkhole in New Mexico (way inland). Didn't look like a good idea to me. http://mystrangenewmexico.squarespace.com/the-columns/2006/10/30/the-blue-hole-w orm-hole.html
> Remember seeing a new story here last year I think. There was > some waterfall overseas (?) where some guys had dived down > underneath it to some incredible depth and some caverns I think. > One didn't make it out alive. Some time later one of the other > guys wanted to dive back down to retrieve the body. He didn't > make it out alive the second time. Sad.
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Troy Piggins - 30 Sep 2008 00:44 GMT * Paul Furman wrote :
>> * tony cooper wrote : >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Have you met Blinky? :-) Oh yeah, have known him for years in some of the tech/linux/newsreader groups. But he don't scare me unless we're both in the water together, and that won't happen :)
>>>> I figure if I'm on land and I see a snake, spider, hell I'll even >>>> give myself a chance against a lion or tiger, I can have a go at [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > sinkhole in New Mexico (way inland). Didn't look like a good idea to me. > http://mystrangenewmexico.squarespace.com/the-columns/2006/10/30/the-blue-hole-w orm-hole.html As I said, screw that :)
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BioColor@aol.com - 02 Oct 2008 02:47 GMT [Snip]
>My fear is caves. I could never cave dive. I've swum into grottos, >but never to the point where I can't see daylight. I could never go >spelunking. I went diving in Hawaii in a sea cave in black lava at night. The good thing was I couldn't tell I was even in a cave unless I accidently aimed my light at the walls. Or the floor. Or the ceiling.
Cheers, DuncanC
tony cooper - 02 Oct 2008 19:38 GMT >[Snip] >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >thing was I couldn't tell I was even in a cave unless I accidently >aimed my light at the walls. Or the floor. Or the ceiling. I've done several night dives, and I've turned off my light to see what it is like. Weird. After a few seconds you have no sense of up or down or of any direction if you have neutral buoyancy and are a few feet above the sea bed. You could swim straight down thinking you were going for the surface.
After a while, though, the eyes adjust and you can pick out some slight phosphorescence in the plants and the mind then sets that as "down".
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Stuffed Crust - 29 Sep 2008 23:18 GMT > On the water color...I've taken a lot of shots of the Atlantic on the > northeast coast of Florida, and the water just isn't blue. I can make > it blue in Photoshop, but it isn't blue. Even flying over the water > you don't see the blue color from Ft Lauderdale up. The water is gray > with sand and sediment stirred up. It's more blue when you look down > on it, but not from a beach view. Heh. Speaking of the "blue" Florida Atlantic coast, I should have submitted this. It certainly looks wide enough..
http://www.shaftnet.org/po/photo/48136:47680
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Böwser - 30 Sep 2008 00:17 GMT > Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. > > Bowser 1: > Is it wide because there are 6 guys linking arms, or because each > one of them individually is wide? :) Good capture. > PS - #73 doesn't appear to like holding hands with men :) None of them really wanted to stand for the shot. But, I convinced them that the NE Patriots o-line posed in a similar fashion right before the Superbowl, so they caved. I sent one of them a print, and within hours, the others had requested prints as well. Hokey little snapshot, for sure, but you can't go wrong with high school kids. They loved the shot, so for me it was a huge success.
Plus, I thought the shoot-in needed more shots of people.
> Bowser 3: > Now that's W-I-D-E. Another great shot, use of wide, both lens > and subject. And someday, I may live there. Makes good wallpaper, too. One little note about the architect; he was a terrible architect, so he designed, or more correctly over-designed his structures by a factor of ten because he seldom messed up the stress calculations. This mill, in particular, is built like a German sub pen. Way too expensive to knock down, so they're remodeling this one, and a few others that this guy designed. So the buildings that were once the seat of the textile industry in the US are now doctor's offices and lofts.
> Bowser 2: > I'd like the flags to dominate more. To me they're certainly > noticeable, but the building in BG fighting for attention (if > that makes sense). Wonder what the shot looking up the slope > looked like? Looking up the slope was directly into a sun (when I was there) and I wasn't able to get back to catch some good light. So I shot with the high school in the background in order to place the shot, and the local paper liked it and ran it. Again, not an artistic success, but it does tell the tale of memorial at the local high school. If I had more time, I might have squeezed off a few more, but, well, you know...
Thanks for taking the time to comment. I'm working on mine.
Troy Piggins - 30 Sep 2008 00:40 GMT * Böwser wrote :
>> Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > once the seat of the textile industry in the US are now doctor's offices and > lofts. I'm actually a structural engineer. These days we design for safety (it's gotta stand up obviously), economy (for the client), and ease of construction so it's quicker to build. Still, they don't make 'em like they used to. Always amazes me travelling in Europe and seeing buildings hundreds and hundreds of years old and still standing.
>> Bowser 2: >> I'd like the flags to dominate more. To me they're certainly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > memorial at the local high school. If I had more time, I might have squeezed > off a few more, but, well, you know... Well if it's good enough for the paper to pay for the shot, who am I to judge :)
> Thanks for taking the time to comment. I'm working on mine. No worries. That's what the SI is all about.
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Russell D. - 01 Oct 2008 05:58 GMT >> Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > sure, but you can't go wrong with high school kids. They loved the shot, > so for me it was a huge success. Maybe a little hokey, but I can almost assure you that it is the only photo in this mandate that anybody will be looking at twenty years from now.
Russell
Böwser - 01 Oct 2008 15:58 GMT >>> Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > photo in this mandate that anybody will be looking at twenty years from > now. Too true. While I still appreciate some of the scenics and other shots I have from 30 years ago, it's the people shots that live the longest. I post my football pix, and while they are certainly not "SI" quality, they're usually better than the parents get for themselves, so I get lots of requests for printable files. Works for me...
Robert Coe - 08 Oct 2008 00:06 GMT : >> Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. : >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : Maybe a little hokey, but I can almost assure you that it is the only : photo in this mandate that anybody will be looking at twenty years from now. Yeah, I'll bet it makes the MRHS yearbook. ;^)
Bob
tony cooper - 30 Sep 2008 01:24 GMT I'm not one to comment on images unless they really strike me. So...
Conway3version2 - The guitar. I have no idea how this fits into the "wide" category, but I don't care. I like the image.
Doug_Payne_1 - One I passed over the first time through the images, but stopped at the next time. So many textures. Good eye.
Simon Steele - Kingslynn. (All Saints or St Margaret's?) I'm a guy who lives in Florida...stucco buildings, billboards, strip malls, and anything built before 1950 is considered an historic landmark. I've been to Europe several times (including Peterborough, near where this picture was taken and King's Lynn) and tried, and tried and tried to capture castles and cathedrals as interesting photos and not postcards. It's tough to do. This one does it.
Simon Steele - Kingslynn (The Customs House?). The hawser ring is a good focal point, but the whole photo is a bit disturbing. Dunno why. Still, I wish I would have taken it.
Jim Kramer - Cat in the window. Good eye. (I keep saying "good eye", but that's, to me, what photography is all about. Equipment and the details of a photo are 'way down the list. Top of the list is seeing that there is something there to photograph. If you don't see it, you'll never get it.)
Troy Piggins - Jump. Not wide, nothing special about the composition, but it's fun. I can imagine Troy and the two subjects enjoying the hell out of themselves trying for that 1 of 72 shots that worked out right.
Bob Coe 2 (old) - Horse riders with dogs. Normally I don't comment on what I don't like about a photograph. If it pleases the person behind the camera, it's a good shot. With this one, though, I'm itching to clone out that white thing behind the trailing dog. My eye is drawn to that and my thought is "What is that?" and I can't concentrate on an otherwise good picture.
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Robert Coe - 01 Oct 2008 03:10 GMT : I'm not one to comment on images unless they really strike me. So... : ... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : to that and my thought is "What is that?" and I can't concentrate on : an otherwise good picture. I'm pretty sure it's a buoy, put there to warn boats away. As you can see, the water is very shallow. I have a picture I took at low tide that shows seven successive sandbars parallel to the beach.
Bottom line: You can't clone it out; someone may run aground.
Bob
Russell D. - 01 Oct 2008 06:07 GMT > : I'm not one to comment on images unless they really strike me. So... > : ... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Bottom line: You can't clone it out; someone may run aground.
:-) Russell D. - 01 Oct 2008 06:06 GMT > I'm not one to comment on images unless they really strike me. So... > > Conway3version2 - The guitar. I have no idea how this fits into the > "wide" category, but I don't care. I like the image.
> Doug_Payne_1 - One I passed over the first time through the images, > but stopped at the next time. So many textures. Good eye. After reading this comment I went back and looked and completely changed my mind. I don't know why I never noticed all the textures before. I now really like that picture. It might have help me the first time around if the photo was a little larger.
Russell
Paul Furman - 30 Sep 2008 07:23 GMT Thanks, great comments!
> Paul Furman - Mexico ruins New Mexico (the US State between Arizona, Colorado, Texas, & Mexico). I was really having fun shooting that day.
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Troy Piggins - 30 Sep 2008 07:35 GMT * Paul Furman wrote :
> Thanks, great comments! > >> Paul Furman - Mexico ruins > > New Mexico (the US State between Arizona, Colorado, Texas, & Mexico). I > was really having fun shooting that day. Oops, sorry. Shouldn't rely on my memory. Leaving out one little word can change the whole meaning.
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Robert Coe - 01 Oct 2008 04:38 GMT : Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. Inexperienced?? <guffaw!> Troy has posted some of the best pictures ever seen in this group.
: Martha Coe 1: : Nice colours. I've heard of "Gegendämmerung. Good to see it in : practice. Bit underexposed? : : Martha Coe 2: : Again, nice shot but bit under? Yes, both pictures are dark, and they'd certainly be underexposed if they were depicting scenes in broad daylight. But they're not. In both cases it actually was that dark, and to have brightened them up would have been to make them less realistic and probably less interesting. For the "Sandlight" picture in particular, Martha knew exactly what lighting she wanted, and she rejected several brighter images from that shoot because they didn't convey the desired effect.
: Bob Coe 1: : Great interpretation! I like it. Thanks!
: PS - I see you :) : : Bob Coe 2: : Simple. Pretty centred. Reckon you could have cropped the left : hand dog out, which isn't doing much anyway, have the riders : going into the frame and the right dog is much more action. NO! You can't remove that dog! I admire him for his perseverance. He wasn't quite as tall as the Lab and his longer and less oily coat caused more drag in the water, but he gamely struggled to keep up. He's gotta stay!
: Bob Coe 3: : I like it - if a little centred again. Why is this group so averse to all centered images? My understanding of the operative composition principle is that many pictures look better if the subject isn't centered, so it's a rookie mistake to center all subjects by default. But if the subject works best centered, as I think the spider web clearly does, isn't it as nonsensical to de-center it as it is to center a subject that clearly doesn't belong centered? I'm neither infallible nor resistant to criticism, and if someone will tell me *why* these subjects would look better off-center, I'll listen. But I'm not ready to concede that a centered subject is ipso facto bad.
BTW, the horse picture isn't really centered. If you include that dog you wanted to jettison, the center of interest falls on the blond horse, which lies entirely left of center. My objective in cropping the image was to place the subjects in a wide open environment while leaving more water in front of the lead dog than behind the trailing dog.
Thanks for your comments. And I'd be interested in hearing others' views on centered or near-centered images.
Bob
tony cooper - 01 Oct 2008 05:46 GMT >Thanks for your comments. And I'd be interested in hearing others' views on >centered or near-centered images. In my opinion...it depends. Some images look better centered, some don't. Balance is an important part of composition, and balance is sometimes achieved by moving one critical mass to one side or the other, and balance is sometime achieved by leaving the critical mass in the center. You don't move the mass to one side and leave the image unbalanced just because you don't want the mass centered. You can move the mass to one side if the other side compensates for the mass.
Here's a shot where I've centered the mass, and I don't see how uncentering would improve it: http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/yellowboat.jpg
(That's been Photoshopped. I masked the boat, left it in color, and desaturated everything except the boat.)
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Russell D. - 01 Oct 2008 06:53 GMT > : Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > : Bob Coe 3: > : I like it - if a little centred again. FWIW, I don't think that photo is as strong if it NOT centered.
Russell
Troy Piggins - 01 Oct 2008 10:07 GMT * Robert Coe wrote :
>: Please accept my humble and inexperienced words. > > Inexperienced?? <guffaw!> Troy has posted some of the best pictures ever seen > in this group. Err, you sure you got the right Troy? <embarassed />
>: Martha Coe 1: >: Nice colours. I've heard of "Gegend�mmerung. Good to see it in [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Thanks! Welcome :)
>: PS - I see you :) >: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > quite as tall as the Lab and his longer and less oily coat caused more drag in > the water, but he gamely struggled to keep up. He's gotta stay! Lol - fair enough.
>: Bob Coe 3: >: I like it - if a little centred again. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > look better off-center, I'll listen. But I'm not ready to concede that a > centered subject is ipso facto bad. Understand. I accept your explanation :)
> BTW, the horse picture isn't really centered. If you include that dog you > wanted to jettison, the center of interest falls on the blond horse, which [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks for your comments. And I'd be interested in hearing others' views on > centered or near-centered images. No worries on the comments.
On the centre/non-centred thing, I agree with you totally. Some subjects suit it. Some don't. If I made a comment on it, maybe at the time I didn't think it suited it.
Here's a shot I saw today that suits centred: http://nzeman.deviantart.com/art/Looking-Up-99484353
And probably this one: http://nzeman.deviantart.com/art/Fall-Patterns-99371820
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Russell D. - 01 Oct 2008 05:45 GMT > Please accept my humble and inexperienced words.
> Russell Durtschi: > I like this. Again, difficult lighting with FG in shade, sky in > BG etc. I think it works well. Thanks, Troy. Using this shot was kind of inspired by a discussion here a week or two ago. When I took these pictures I was rather disappointed because the sky and background were blown out. I had read somewhere (don't believe everything you read) that you can't save blown highlights even in a RAW file. I made that point in a discussion here and someone replied that you can--maybe.
So I decided to see if I could rescue one on those shots. With a lot of experimenting and tweaking with UFRAW I came up with this. The background is still pretty washed out, but then again there is not much there. I was able to salvage the mountains to the right of the house. I was pleased with how it turned out. I learned a lot from it.
Thanks for taking the time to comment on the pictures.
Russell
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