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[SI] "Open" Critique

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Bõwser - 02 Sep 2008 17:23 GMT
Greetings,

Time for more insightful critique from someone with the artistic eye of a
gerbil. Please take it all with a huge grain of salt. Believe it or not, I
have no artistic education.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465694 ("Rook" Ferris Wheel)
I like the composition, and the contrast between the castle and ferris wheel
in the background; they seem to tie the visuals together nicely. I would
have liked a little more light on the tower, but it may not have been
possible. Overall, a nice shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465695 (High Bar)
Not a fan of this one. the silhouettes don't tell a real story, the
background is too obsure, and there's not enough detail in the people to say
much.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465696 (Sunset on the Water)
Nice light, nice colors, perfect exposure, but a little too centered for me.
Again, not sure if any other composition was even possible, but it's a
little too much of a bull's eye for me.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465697 (Yawning Mutt)
(mine...)  It's buster, after a long day at the beach. He's exhausted. It
was a quick grab, and I wish I had more time to frame it better, but I still
think it's kind of funny. Taken with a 15mm Sigma fisheye.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465699 (Yellow Bug)
Bugs creep me out, and this is a nice detailed shot of, well, some bug.
Because of the angle, I can't figure out what kind of bug, or even what I'm
looking at. Easy for me to say...

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494052 (The Safe)
Another of mine, and another literal translation of the mandate. This was a
safe that we collected from a deceased relatives home during the cleanout. I
had it at home, forgot about it, and then my son found it. Well, he would
not be denied. After many hours of pummelling it with hammer and chisel, he
was rewarded with two Kennedy fifty cent pieces, a pencil, and a bundle of
rubber bands. Yes, really. the coins are worth about a half a buck each.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465700 (2 Bugs)
Nicely done. Perfect exposure, sharp, nicely composed. The type of photo
that gives you a look at a world you never, and may not want to see. But
it's a nice catch, nonetheless.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465701 (Bucolic Path)
Nice enough scene, but the flat lighting and lack of a central compositional
item make the photo somewhat bland and uninteresting.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102486981 (Big Snapper)
I like the shot due to it's timing, not so much the technical quality or
composition. I also like the juxtaposition of the snapper and woman in the
background; pretty funny catch. What I do't like is the guy on the right
who's split in two; really distracting.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102486994 (Roots)
Another serene composition, but the colors seem a little cold to me. Nice
exposure and detail, though and a pretty pleasant shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102486997 (White Bird)
Nice catch of a bird, but a little underexposed, and lacking contrast. Maybe
a little PP in PS might have helped?

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465705 (Meadow/Mountains)
Nice color, nice exposure, nice transition from foreground to mountains to
sky. I might have cropped out a little of the foreground to get more detail
of the mountains, but that's just me.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465706 (Old Shed)
Another dead-centered composition,but the colors seem to tie together
nicely. Not a great composition, but the detail of the shot and the colors
save it from boredom. Not sure why, but I like it.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465707 (Instrument)
OK, I'm not sure what kind of instrument it is, so sue me. And I prefer
shots of musical instruments in excruciating detail since the craftsmanship
on them can be stunning, but using one as a figure study isn't bad, either.
Nice shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465708 (Moose)
I like Moose, even though I nearly hit one this summer while motorcycling in
Maine. Luckily, for me, I missed. What let's me down in this shot is
exposure; the moose is lost in darkness. Yes, my screen is calibrated. Maybe
a little "shadow/highlight" in PS could've helped?

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465708 (Water's Edge)
One of my favorites in the group. I like the colors and how they tie
together. I love the transition from water to light sand to dark sand, from
small rocks to larger rocks, and from light to dark. Nicely done.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465710 (Tree)
Another "nature transition" shot, this time from light to dark, and from
brown to gray. I like the detail and composition, but I really like the
previous shot better.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465711 (Fence Post)
Well, I think it's a fence post. Not a fan of this shot, either. Seems to be
out of focus, and I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465711 (Pets)
Nice catch of the cat and dog, but seems a little soft. Good lighting. I
don't like the way the arm of the chair cuts the dog in half, but what are
you going to do?

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465713 (Child in B&W)
Good composition, but the lighting, while nicely angled, it a little harsh
and contrasty for such a "soft" subject. Also, I'm not sure what the child
is doing since, due to the angle, I can't tell if he's laying down, leaning
in a chair, etc. But, I like the shot. Yes, I'm a sucker for kid shots.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465715  (Old Man)
I love this shot. One look, and you want to know his story, whatever it is,
or if there even is a story. Tough lighting, but good exposure nonetheless,
and a great expression on the man's face. Very well done.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465716 (Rose on the Bench)
Nice try, but the rose looks like a neon light, and I don't care for that.
No detail in the petals. Maybe I'm just missing the point of this shot?

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465717 (Frog)
Nice catch of the tree frog. Good eye contact, perfect exposure, nice
background. Focus is dead on the eyes, where it belongs, as well. I like
this one.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465718 (Horse Running)
Nice pic of the horse, but a little bland, and the horizon looks a bit off.
What I like is the timing of the shot; how it catches the horse's mane in
flight, the horse in mid-spte, the tail flying. The fence post under the
horse's head is a little distracting, but what are ya gonna do?

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465719 (Wet Flower)
Nice use of grain/noise to set the mood of the photo. Everything about it
say "somber," from the slightly toned B&W look to the dampness on the
petals. Very nicely done.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465720 (Carnival Rides)
OK, this is one of those shots that I'd really prefer in color. Carnival
rides are usually very colorful, and the combination of motion and color
might improve this shot. The other thing I don't get is the w--i--d--e
border. Give me more picture and less border...

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721 (Window)
I like this effort more than the previous, but the damned huge border still
takes away from the shot. Due to the size of the border, the shot is small,
and hard to see. Maybe it's my total lack of artistic appreciation, but I'd
prever more pic and less border.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721 (Ken and family?)
Ken? Is that you? If so, my compliments! Nice family, and very nice shot.
However, I'd feel remiss if I didn't find something to complain about, so
why crop just above the knees? I really prefer either a full length shot or
a crop at the waist. Cutting people off at the joints bugs me.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465723 (Smokestack)
A little bland for my taste. the stack and smoke stream are good, but don't
stand out enough from the cloudy background. The bird isn't prominent enough
to be a strong visual element.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465724 (Hallway Perspective)
Nice perspective shot. I like the arrangement of elements, the use of B&W
instead of color, and the motion-blur of the people; makes them less
distracting so they don't take away from the repeating elements on the wall
and ceiling. If it was mine, I'd have flipped it horizontally, but that's
just my western "left to right" mentality talking. Nice shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465725 (Reader)
Another shot I'd have flipped, but the composition works well with the
lines, the reader's eyes, and the light leading you to the paper. Even the
grain on the floor seems to lead you to the central compositional item, the
paper, not the reader. Another good one.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465726  (Decaying Wall)
Strange shot. Why? Well, for one thing, I seem to keep staring at it for no
reason, and the more I stare at it, the more it looks like a face. Could be
the cognac, but I doubt it. The exposed rebar frames the window, the curvy
lines at the bottom all add up to a nice composition. I just don't know why.
'Cause I'm stupid, I guess.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465727 (Buildings/Sky)
Gorgeous. Love the colors, repeating elements, relationship of shapes from
side to side (from a distance, it looks like a Escher-like work), and the
perspective. One of my favorites. Love the transition of color and light
from top to bottom, as well.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465728  (Fight?)
Not sure what I'm looking at, really. Two girls fighting? Playing? Wretling
over a carrot? Don't know. On-camera flash, dead on, not a great shot, but
it does make me very curious about what in hell is going on.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465731 (Street Scene)
Not a bad shot, but I tried this one in B&W and for me it worked a lot
better. The composition seems to work well for shades and textures, not so
much for colors.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465732 (Greens)
Another mood shot that really doesn't do it for me. But, I can certainly see
this hanging on someone's living wall since it's a uniform color, a decent
composition, and can fit into a decorating scheme. Unlike others, the
cropping doesn't bother me and it seems to work in this shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465732 (Suspension Bridge)
Nice bridge shot, but there's no reason to have the left side of the image.
Why not shoot this one vertically and make the bridge more prominent? I'm a
sucker for good bridge photos, but can't figure out why this was shot
landscape.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465734 (Bored Traveller)
Good attempt, but I'd have preferred more light on the subject. I know your
options are imited here, and this may be as good as it gets. And I can
certainly sympathize, as a frequent business traveller, with the bored
expression on her face. You can only listen to the iPod for so long, watch
the bad entertainment, and listen to your seat mate yabber on for so long.
Good shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465735 (Old Dodge V8)
A simple shot of a rusting old truck, but the colors, the medeival standard
blue/rust, the light on the grill, and angle of the shot make it a good take
for me. YMMV, of course. Plus, as someone who grew up working on B-Block
Dodges, it hits a soft spot. What can I tell ya...

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465736 (Misty Landscape)
Nice landscape shot! I might have cropped the forerground a little tighter,
but overall, it's a nice catch. Good light, nice timing of the fog/mist, and
the tele compression make it work for me.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465737 (At the Beach)
Another shot that loses it for me due to flat lighting. Seems a little
monochromatic to me. tough place to get good exposure due to the reflections
off the water and sand, but it's right on. Horizon seems a little tilted, as
well. I might have chosen a lower angle and longer tele to compress the
apparent distance between the people and the trawler.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465738 (Horses)
I like the colors, the composition, and the poses and expressions on the
animals. The attachment between the mother and colt/fillie is nice, as is
the look at the wobbly knees of the younger horse. I might have preferred a
little more background blur, but that's just me.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465742 (Sydney Harbor Bridge)
I look at this shot, and can't figure out why the shooter used vertical
orientation instead of landscape. The bridge seems cramped in the frame, and
there's too much water and sky. Aside from that, it's a nice shot, and
reminds me a great deal of the signature shots of the Brooklyn Bridge with
NYC in the background. Except those are usually shot horizontally.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465742 (Bug on Stick, Water Drop)
Nice catch, great background, perfect technicals. What kind of bug is this?

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465744 (Bug on Stem)
Even nicer than the previous, the lighter background provides a nice
backdrop, but does not overwhelm the subject. The reflection of the flowers
in the water drops is a very nice touch. Nice shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494054  (Stones on the Water)
This is a shot with potential, but in desperate need of good lighting. The
lighting is flat, and as a result the shot is kind of cold. Late or early
day lighting would create shadows and contrasts, as well as warming up the
shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494056 (Norma Jean)
Looks like classic butterfly glamour lighting. Good model, decent pose,
exposure spot on. Facial expresion is good, but my problem with the shot is
the cut off on the limbs. It's Marylin, not Venus, so keep the hands in the
shot, please.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494057 (Street Musician)
Another shot, like the old man, that makes you want to know the guy's story.
Lighting is harsh, but I doubt anything could change that. The expression on
his face seems to be a "1,000 yard stare" which leads you to believe he's
having a hard time.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465745 (Sunset/Dock)
Nice tranquil scene, so tranquil there's not a hing of a breeze moving the
flag. Nice light, good exposure, good colors. For me, this shot just screams
"end of summer." Which is a total bummer...   :-)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465746 (Chairs)
What odd coloring! Seems to be monochromatic, but there seems to be a hint
of color here and there, like the plant pots. Maybe my eyes are playing
tricks, maybe the shooter is playing tricks on me. Either way, the shot
works for me since I keep staring at it, but don't know why.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465747 (Daisys?)
Nice color and exposure, and somewhat reminiscent of fireworks. This is a
tough subject to shoot successfully since macro flower shots have been
beaten to death in the digital era. Not too bad, but seems a litle soft. And
the dead flower(s) seems to keep jumping out at me.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465690 (Old Gas Station)
Is this Bodie? Looks like it. Nice composition of the old car, ancient
gravity pumps, and the town in the background but it seems underexposed, and
I can't see the detail I want to see in the car and pumps. I'd like to see
thisone after a little PP to bring it up a little and with a little more
shadow detail.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465691 (Water/Stacks)
Nice location, but might have benefited from lower lighting and horizontal
composition. The stack at the left is cut in two, and the horizon seems a
little tilted. The sky, fading from dark to light works, but there's too
much of it and not enough water. A higher shooting angle might work, as
well.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465692 (Water/Stacks-2)
This shot works well in vertical, but I would have cropped out the dark rock
on the left and shown a little less foreground. Lighting aside, it's a nice
composition.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102488004 (The Stands, From the Rear)
I love this shot! What a great perspective of the stands at a game, race, or
whatever. Lighting is nice, color is uniformly nice, and it looks like the
shooter used a tele to compress the perspective a bit which helps keep it
"flat." Good job.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102488007 (Water/Sky)
Nice shot, but the darkness on the left seems to a bit heavy. Try a much
longer shutter speed to lose the distracting detail in the water ad blur it
a bit. Yes, a bit of a cliche, but I think it would work here.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102488009  (Macro Flowers)
Nice color and exposure, but a jumbled composition. Not sure where to look
since the focalpoint seems to drift inand out, leading you eye all over the
shot.
jimkramer - 02 Sep 2008 19:18 GMT
> Greetings,
>
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> say "somber," from the slightly toned B&W look to the dampness on the
> petals. Very nicely done.

You are a cruel and heartless bastard, and those are your better qualities
when it comes to image critiquing.   Now that the flattery is out of the
way.

The frog was actually more fun to hold on to or vise versa those sticky toes
are really cool than the image would suggest. 5D with the 100mm macro

The horse was my first sale in MS. "no one else has been able to capture his
expression."   The horse is really cool with one brown eye and one blue eye.
40D with the 70-200, 2.8

The rose is on pushed XP2 100mm macro and the Elan II.  This is the finest
example of Walgreen's film processing you will ever see.  Scanned the strip
and dropped it on the floor and then sleeved it. All in front of me, with a
smile on her face.

A cleaner B&W scan here:

http://www.jlkramer.net/Pictures/SI/UglyRose.htm

Thank for commenting

-Jim
Bõwser - 02 Sep 2008 21:40 GMT
>> Greetings,
>>
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> when it comes to image critiquing.   Now that the flattery is out of the
> way.

You know my wife?

> The frog was actually more fun to hold on to or vise versa those sticky
> toes are really cool than the image would suggest. 5D with the 100mm macro
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> -Jim
Atheist Chaplain - 03 Sep 2008 01:07 GMT
>>> Greetings,
>>>
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>
> You know my wife?

I think I married her sister ;-)

>> The frog was actually more fun to hold on to or vise versa those sticky
>> toes are really cool than the image would suggest. 5D with the 100mm
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>
>> -Jim

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Böwser - 03 Sep 2008 03:07 GMT
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
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>
> I think I married her sister ;-)

Man, that's cold. My sympathies.

>>> The frog was actually more fun to hold on to or vise versa those sticky
>>> toes are really cool than the image would suggest. 5D with the 100mm
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>>
>>> -Jim
Mark Thomas - 03 Sep 2008 01:08 GMT
> The rose is on pushed XP2 100mm macro and the Elan II.  This is the finest
> example of Walgreen's film processing you will ever see.  Scanned the strip
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> -Jim

So that rose shot is full-film-frame, with no added effects?
Holy sandpaper, Batman - there's more grain than picture!  But I still
really like it and that version is better than the SI one, I think.
Stuffed Crust - 02 Sep 2008 20:24 GMT
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465734 (Bored Traveller)
> Good attempt, but I'd have preferred more light on the subject. I know your
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the bad entertainment, and listen to your seat mate yabber on for so long.
> Good shot.

As you surmised, my options were pretty limited.  Any supplementary
lighting I could have brought to bear would have ruined the effect.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465735 (Old Dodge V8)
> A simple shot of a rusting old truck, but the colors, the medeival standard
> blue/rust, the light on the grill, and angle of the shot make it a good take
> for me. YMMV, of course. Plus, as someone who grew up working on B-Block
> Dodges, it hits a soft spot. What can I tell ya...

Here's a head-on shot of that truck.  Count the bullet holes!

http://www.shaftnet.org/po/photo/67142:66668

- Solomon
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TConway - 02 Sep 2008 20:54 GMT
"Bõwser" <bowser@mac.hom> wrote in message >

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465736 (Misty Landscape)
> Nice landscape shot! I might have cropped the forerground a little
> tighter,
> but overall, it's a nice catch. Good light, nice timing of the fog/mist,
> and
> the tele compression make it work for me.

I couldn't really see well for the composition.  The corn was taller than I
was...I had the tripod center post cranked up and had to guestimate where
everything was.
tim

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465737 (At the Beach)
> Another shot that loses it for me due to flat lighting. Seems a little
> monochromatic to me. tough place to get good exposure due to the
> reflections off the water and sand, but it's right on. Horizon seems a
> little tilted, as well. I might have chosen a lower angle and longer tele
> to compress the apparent distance between the people and the trawler.

sounds good, except I was on the 5th or 6th floor of the motel.  I would've
liked to have tried that, tho
tim

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465738 (Horses)
> I like the colors, the composition, and the poses and expressions on the
> animals. The attachment between the mother and colt/fillie is nice, as is
> the look at the wobbly knees of the younger horse. I might have preferred
> a little more background blur, but that's just me.

I agree, a softer background would've really helped.
tim
Troy Piggins - 02 Sep 2008 21:26 GMT
* Bõwser wrote :

> Time for more insightful critique from someone with the artistic eye of a
> gerbil. Please take it all with a huge grain of salt. Believe it or not, I
> have no artistic education.
<snip />

Thanks for your critique, Bowser.  Not just of my shots, but
taking the time for everyone's.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465742 (Sydney Harbor Bridge)
> I look at this shot, and can't figure out why the shooter used vertical
> orientation instead of landscape. The bridge seems cramped in the frame, and
> there's too much water and sky. Aside from that, it's a nice shot, and
> reminds me a great deal of the signature shots of the Brooklyn Bridge with
> NYC in the background. Except those are usually shot horizontally.

I was mucking around with portrait and landscape orientations and
different compositions and this one turned out the nicest IMO.  I
was using the 10-22 lens at the wide end, and I am still learning
how to use the fisheye-like distortion effectively.  In landscape
orientation the bridge towers just seemed to lean in too much and
I didn't like it.  Maybe I should have put the bridge central on
the horizon to minimise that?  But then I don't like centred
subjects.

Great, fun lens.  I see so many cool shots with it, but I just
can't seem to control it well enough for my own shots.  They
never turn out the way I envisage.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465742 (Bug on Stick, Water Drop)
> Nice catch, great background, perfect technicals. What kind of bug is this?

It's a "long legged fly" (common name), Dolichopodidae family of
flies.  The "stick" is a blade of grass  ;)

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465744 (Bug on Stem)
> Even nicer than the previous, the lighter background provides a nice
> backdrop, but does not overwhelm the subject. The reflection of the flowers
> in the water drops is a very nice touch. Nice shot.

Thankyou for your kind words  :)

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I always appreciate critique.

Helen - 02 Sep 2008 21:52 GMT
> Greetings,
>
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> since the focalpoint seems to drift inand out, leading you eye all over the
> shot.

Thanks Bowser for the comments.  The old man pic was taken in July
with a Canonet QL17 GIII and 100 ISO film.  I haven't used film in a
long time so I thought I'd add a film submission too.   My scanner
didn't expose the print the way I wanted it, but I had to make due.

Thanks to Bret's generous gift of the fabulous 20D, all accesories,
original boxes, booklets and manual and the 50mm f 1.8 lens, I was
able to capture the pic of the young boy in a shelter.  He was
kneeling down and hugging his bunny.  I took different poses and
exposures of the boy.  This is the only one where he is wearing a t-
shirt, in the others he had no top on, so I went with this particular
one because I didn't want to be accused of some atrocity.  In the
other poses I took, the lighting wasn't as harsh. It was a very tough
decision.  But what I originally wanted was to portray a very intense
and graphic look of the boy, but looking back I should have included
more in the pic. Like the impersonal living conditions of a shelter.
Not too many were happy with a camera around though.
Helen
Helen - 02 Sep 2008 22:03 GMT
> Greetings,

Thanks Bowser for your comments on the submissions.  The old man was
taken with a Canonet QL17 GIII, using 100 ISO b&w film.  I haven't
used film in a long time so I decided to add a film entry too.  I
scanned the print on my scanner but wasn't pleased with the
exposure.

Thanks to Bret's generous gift of the fabulous 20D, all accesories,
original boxes, booklets and manual and the 50mm f 1.8 lens, I was
able to capture the pic of the young boy in a shelter.  He was
kneeling down and hugging his bunny.  I took different poses and
exposures of the boy.  This is the only one where he is wearing a t-
shirt and shorts, in the others he had no top on but wore shorts, so I
went with this particular
one.   In the other poses I took, the lighting wasn't as harsh. It was
a very tough
decision.  But what I originally wanted was to portray a very intense
and graphic look of the boy, but looking back I should have included
more in the pic. Like the impersonal living conditions of a shelter.
Not too many were happy with a camera around though.
Helen
tony cooper - 02 Sep 2008 22:55 GMT
>> Greetings,
>>
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>original boxes, booklets and manual and the 50mm f 1.8 lens, I was
>able to capture the pic of the young boy in a shelter.

Bret gave you a 20D? No wonder you gush.

I've been using the wrong approach here.  

Bret, you are an incredible photographer, a sensitive and warm human
being, and a person of impeccable character and moral standing.  Your
photographs make me weep, make me laugh, and touch my heart.  The
rising sun hasn't the brightness that your images bring to me.  

Your enemies are my enemies.  I spit upon Dougie, Noons, and all your
critics and the naysayers of your art.  They should not be treading
the same cyberspace that you grace with your presence.

Please send my camera by Federal Express.

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Helen - 03 Sep 2008 00:07 GMT
> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT), Helen
>
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> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Bret gave me his 20D with no strings attached.  I bought him his 40D
with no strings attached and it was my fav. purchase.  We are
friends.  I gush over his work because I love his work.  I can't be
bought Tony.  I give from the heart with joy and so does Bret.
Alan Browne - 03 Sep 2008 02:31 GMT
>> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT), Helen
>>
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> friends.  I gush over his work because I love his work.  I can't be
> bought Tony.  I give from the heart with joy and so does Bret.

Buy me, Helen.  I will dedicate 1001 images to your kind heart.
(Sony 24 Mpix FF coming soon).

Envy apart, that was very nice of Bret, as it was formerly nice of you...

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Helen - 03 Sep 2008 03:34 GMT
On Sep 2, 9:31 pm, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@Freelunchvideotron.ca>
wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT), Helen
>
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"Envy apart, that was very nice of Bret, as it was formerly nice of
you..."

Thanks Alan.
Böwser - 03 Sep 2008 12:25 GMT
>Bret gave me his 20D with no strings attached.  I bought him his 40D
>with no strings attached and it was my fav. purchase.  We are
>friends.  I gush over his work because I love his work.  I can't be
>bought Tony.  I give from the heart with joy and so does Bret.

You bought him his 40D?! Really? And in return he sends his well-used 20D?
Such a deal.
Helen - 03 Sep 2008 12:45 GMT
> >Bret gave me his 20D with no strings attached.  I bought him his 40D
> >with no strings attached and it was my fav. purchase.  We are
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> You bought him his 40D?! Really? And in return he sends his well-used 20D?
> Such a deal.

I'm very content.  You would think that the 20D would suffer from
battle scars, but surprisingly no!  It's in mint condition except for
the tiniest bit of wear on the hotshoe.  The lens is in pristine
condition, not to mention the box, accessories and even the manual
being in mint condition.
Annika1980 - 03 Sep 2008 19:35 GMT
> You bought him his 40D?! Really? And in return he sends his well-used 20D?
> Such a deal.

I thought so.  Helen bought me a 40D not because I asked her to.  She
just up and did it because she's Helen and that's how she rolls.

After the 40D arrived I found myself using the 20D less and less so I
figured the least I could do was to send it to her.  And that's how I
roll .... always trying to do the least I can.

Whenever some idiot suggests that Helen and I are the same person and
she's just one of my socks I just look at my 40D and laugh.  If I
could create a sock like Helen, I'd create 100 more of them and all of
us would be shooting with 1DsMK3s.
Böwser - 04 Sep 2008 01:32 GMT
On Sep 3, 7:25 am, Böwser <b0w...@h0me.c0m> wrote:

> You bought him his 40D?! Really? And in return he sends his well-used 20D?
> Such a deal.

>I thought so.  Helen bought me a 40D not because I asked her to.  She
>just up and did it because she's Helen and that's how she rolls.

It'd be nice if she rolled one of those 50M hassys my way. Real nice.

>After the 40D arrived I found myself using the 20D less and less so I
>figured the least I could do was to send it to her.  And that's how I
>roll .... always trying to do the least I can.

www.licd.com

>Whenever some idiot suggests that Helen and I are the same person and
>she's just one of my socks I just look at my 40D and laugh.  If I
>could create a sock like Helen, I'd create 100 more of them and all of
>us would be shooting with 1DsMK3s.

Well, I'm no longer thinking sock puppet, but some sort of Tyler Durden
arrangement. You know, the guy Ed Norton Jr. talked to in Fight Club?
Helen - 04 Sep 2008 15:51 GMT
> > You bought him his 40D?! Really? And in return he sends his well-used 20D?
> > Such a deal.
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> could create a sock like Helen, I'd create 100 more of them and all of
> us would be shooting with 1DsMK3s.

Thank you very much, but truthfully, I am very content with my 20D.
What would actually make me the happiest is to see you with your dream
camera.  I am very optimistic on that possibilty.
Helen
Annika1980 - 03 Sep 2008 00:34 GMT
> Bret, you are an incredible photographer, a sensitive and warm human
> being, and a person of impeccable character and moral standing.  Your
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Please send my camera by Federal Express.

Helen left out one tiny detail.  You gotta buy me a better model
first.
Get me a new 50D and the 40D is yours.
Send me a 1DsMKIII and a slighty used Fabulous EOS-1V will be arriving
on your doorstep within the week.
tony cooper - 03 Sep 2008 15:47 GMT
>> Bret, you are an incredible photographer, a sensitive and warm human
>> being, and a person of impeccable character and moral standing.  Your
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>Helen left out one tiny detail.  You gotta buy me a better model
>first.

What have I gotta do to get in on this exchange program?.  I don't
care if it's you or Helen.  I have a camera that I'm willing to part
with:  http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/minolta.html

Please note that this camera offers many advantages:
...pocket-sized
...professional black case
...scene setting choices
...hot shoe *and* flash cube
...uses 110 film and thus "on topic" for this group
...Rokkor 1:3.5/26mm lens (4 glass elements in 3 groups)
...cable release
...tripod socket
...wrist lanyard

I'm willing to start small in this exchange program. Just send me a
400mm lens, or a dedicated macro lens, that will work on my Nikon D40
and I'll send the camera.

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Robert Coe - 03 Sep 2008 02:19 GMT
: >Thanks to Bret's generous gift of the fabulous 20D, all accesories,
: >original boxes, booklets and manual and the 50mm f 1.8 lens, I was
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:
: Please send my camera by Federal Express.

You haven't been watching long enough, Tony. It was Helen who gave Bret the
40D in the first place. So I'd say that your fawning and toadying don't convey
enough … er … substance. Now if you were to send Bret, say, a new 50D, I'll
bet you'd have his 40D (or at least Helen's 20D) by the next morning. In fact,
if you were to send *me* a new 50D, I'll bet you could easily talk me into
forking over my XTi.

Bob
tony cooper - 03 Sep 2008 03:35 GMT
>: >Thanks to Bret's generous gift of the fabulous 20D, all accesories,
>: >original boxes, booklets and manual and the 50mm f 1.8 lens, I was
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>40D in the first place. So I'd say that your fawning and toadying don't convey
>enough … er … substance.

It's a character defect of mine.  I've never been good at fawning and
toadying no matter how much I try.  I can't even manage enough
obsequiousness to fool anyone.

I blame it on being bald.  I raise my hand to tug at a forelock and
forget to raise the other three fingers.

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Annika1980 - 03 Sep 2008 04:22 GMT
> It's a character defect of mine.  I've never been good at fawning and
> toadying no matter how much I try.  I can't even manage enough
> obsequiousness to fool anyone.

I thought you did an excellent job.  In fact, I think you should add
your fawning to your sig.  I particularly liked the part about
"spitting" on D-Mac and Noons, although I might have changed one
letter.
Helen - 03 Sep 2008 09:38 GMT
> >: >Thanks to Bret's generous gift of the fabulous 20D, all accesories,
> >: >original boxes, booklets and manual and the 50mm f 1.8 lens, I was
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> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

When I found this group, I was overjoyed with the idea of asking
anything photographic and it being answered by the pros.  When their
work was posted and when viewing them for the first time, I was blown
away, as in Bret's work. I became a fan and as a result over-
enthusiastic about my comments. I always gave an honest no-strings
attached comment. I'm the first one to admit that I lack the skills to
give such professional critique, but I always thought that it wouldn't
matter if saying something that you honestly felt whether it be naive
and child-like or technically eloquent.
Obsequious? Hardly. I don't bootlick or grovel, nor do I hold Bret as
some God.  I've considered him a good friend and in my book, a friend
should be treated with respect, loyalty and be there for support in
good times and bad.
But my actions has been highly misconstrued and my personna damaged
beyond repair because I am always judged by cynics who feel I have an
ulterior motive. I could never be a misanthropist who only see and
expect the worst in people.  What a horrible life that would be. I am
indeed tired of trying to argue my case.  It's become too
disheartening and I don't need the grief.  Which is why I'm
restricting my comments about Bret's work to him personally.
Helen
Helen - 06 Sep 2008 02:30 GMT
> >: >Thanks to Bret's generous gift of the fabulous 20D, all accesories,
> >: >original boxes, booklets and manual and the 50mm f 1.8 lens, I was
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

When I found this group, I was overjoyed with the idea of asking
anything photographic and it being answered by the pros.  When their
work was posted and when viewing them for the first time, I was blown
away, as in Bret's work. I became a fan and as a result over-
enthusiastic about my comments. I always gave an honest no-strings
attached comment. I'm the first one to admit that I lack the skills
to
give such professional critique, but I always thought that it
wouldn't
matter if saying something that you honestly felt whether it be naive
and child-like or technically eloquent.
Obsequious? Hardly. I don't bootlick or grovel, nor do I hold Bret as
some God.  I've considered him a good friend and in my book, a friend
should be treated with respect, loyalty and be there for support in
good times and bad.
But my actions has been highly misconstrued and my personna damaged
beyond repair because I am always judged by cynics who feel I have an
ulterior motive. I could never be a misanthropist who only see and
expect the worst in people.  What a horrible life that would be.
Helen
Bõwser - 02 Sep 2008 23:34 GMT
Bret gave you a camera? Well, that explains it...

Just kidding. Damn nice shot of the old man.
Helen - 03 Sep 2008 00:05 GMT
> Bret gave you a camera? Well, that explains it...
>
> Just kidding. Damn nice shot of the old man.

Thanks Bowser!  I love that shot of Buster the yawning dog.
Robert Coe - 03 Sep 2008 02:27 GMT
: > Bret gave you a camera? Well, that explains it...
: >
: > Just kidding. Damn nice shot of the old man.
:
: Thanks Bowser!  I love that shot of Buster the yawning dog.

Everybody likes that damn dog. So far, I think I'm the only one who's dissed
it. I guess I'm gonna have to take another look; I must be missing something.

Ah, me, I wish I had better pictures of our black retriever, Duke, who lived
for more than 16 years but died before the onset of the digital era.

Bob
Helen - 03 Sep 2008 02:44 GMT
> : > Bret gave you a camera? Well, that explains it...
> : >
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>
> Bob

I can think of a few people who could learn a thing or two from a
dog's unconditional love & loyalty.
Troy Piggins - 03 Sep 2008 03:05 GMT
* Helen wrote :
>> : On Sep 2, 6:34�pm, B�wser <bow...@mac.hom> wrote:
>> : > Bret gave you a camera? Well, that explains it...
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> I can think of a few people who could learn a thing or two from a
> dog's unconditional love & loyalty.

WOOF!  :)

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John McWilliams - 03 Sep 2008 03:17 GMT
> : > Bret gave you a camera? Well, that explains it...
> : >
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> Ah, me, I wish I had better pictures of our black retriever, Duke, who lived
> for more than 16 years but died before the onset of the digital era.

So that's where he went!!! When I was 6 or 7, we had a black lab named
"Duke", but he wasn't with us long. I hope you were good to him!

:-)

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Robert Coe - 03 Sep 2008 03:59 GMT
: > : > Bret gave you a camera? Well, that explains it...
: > : >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
: So that's where he went!!! When I was 6 or 7, we had a black lab named
: "Duke", but he wasn't with us long. I hope you were good to him!

Our Duke was more like a Flatcoat than a Lab, although he had come from a
shelter and his parentage was uncertain. After his owner, a neighbor of ours,
died, his two thuglike sons treated Duke badly. Duke, who had befriended our
teenage son, essentially demanded that we adopt him. When the widow and her
sons left town a few month later, they left Duke behind and we took him in. He
lived with us for fourteen years until his death from old age. He was a fine
dog.

Bob
Atheist Chaplain - 03 Sep 2008 04:35 GMT
> : > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:05:17 -0700 (PDT), Helen
> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com>
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> ours,
> died, his two thuglike sons treated Duke badly.

People who cannot even treat a dog well should be prohibited from breeding
IMHO.

Duke, who had befriended our
> teenage son, essentially demanded that we adopt him. When the widow and
> her
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> fine
> dog.

I'm glad that he found someone who realy cared, I imagine his life may not
have been so long and happe elsewhere.

> Bob

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John McWilliams - 03 Sep 2008 05:59 GMT
>> : > On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:05:17 -0700 (PDT), Helen
>> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com>
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> I'm glad that he found someone who realy cared, I imagine his life may not
> have been so long and happe elsewhere.

This is one of the happier threads in recent history here.
Thank you.

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Rita Berkowitz - 03 Sep 2008 14:07 GMT
>> Our Duke was more like a Flatcoat than a Lab, although he had come
>> from a shelter and his parentage was uncertain. After his owner, a
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> People who cannot even treat a dog well should be prohibited from
> breeding IMHO.

You said it better than I could.  

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Alan Browne - 03 Sep 2008 22:40 GMT
> People who cannot even treat a dog well should be prohibited from breeding
> IMHO.

Themselves or dogs?

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Rita Berkowitz - 03 Sep 2008 14:07 GMT
> Our Duke was more like a Flatcoat than a Lab, although he had come
> from a shelter and his parentage was uncertain. After his owner, a
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> later, they left Duke behind and we took him in. He lived with us for
> fourteen years until his death from old age. He was a fine dog.

Sad story and I'm so glad Duke found a loving home.  There's no such thing
as bad animals, just bad people that don't know how to live and respect
their furry friends.

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Böwser - 03 Sep 2008 12:28 GMT
> On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:05:17 -0700 (PDT), Helen
> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com>
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> it. I guess I'm gonna have to take another look; I must be missing
> something.

Buster! Sic 'em!

Right. Buster is a huge chicken and takes flight at the drop of a 2 penny
nail. And he yawns a lot.
Walter Banks - 02 Sep 2008 22:23 GMT
> Greetings,
>
> Time for more insightful critique from someone with the artistic eye of a
> gerbil. Please take it all with a huge grain of salt. Believe it or not, I
> have no artistic education.

Thanks for the kind comments.

A few years ago just after buying my first digital camera I started
trying to shoot one screen saver a week for my consumption. All three
of these were screen savers.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465745 (Sunset/Dock)
> Nice tranquil scene, so tranquil there's not a hing of a breeze moving the
> flag. Nice light, good exposure, good colors. For me, this shot just screams
> "end of summer." Which is a total bummer...   :-)

Actually sunrise. Sun chasing away the night. Spectacular morning
all I had to do was be there. Shot off my deck before my first cup of coffee.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465746 (Chairs)
> What odd coloring! Seems to be monochromatic, but there seems to be a hint
> of color here and there, like the plant pots. Maybe my eyes are playing
> tricks, maybe the shooter is playing tricks on me. Either way, the shot
> works for me since I keep staring at it, but don't know why.

This is very old shot with a Canon S110 (2Mpixel) one of the earliest
screen saver shots. It is also a sunrise shot overcast sky with
very bright sun under the clouds. Wonderful shadows. At the same
time I was playing with post processing and turned the color down to
the point where it was a BW image with a hint of color. At the same
time the shadows on the fence started to emerge. Maybe Dmac had
this in mind in his comments.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465747 (Daisys?)
> Nice color and exposure, and somewhat reminiscent of fireworks. This is a
> tough subject to shoot successfully since macro flower shots have been
> beaten to death in the digital era. Not too bad, but seems a litle soft. And
> the dead flower(s) seems to keep jumping out at me.

I cleaned out the dead flower(s) for the next shot. It just didn't have the
reality that this one has. Part of the softness is the 300k limit and part mine.
The only post processing was resizing. Shot in bright noon day sun. This
was a laptop screen saver for a few months. Original was Canon S110
1600 * 1200

There is a lot of interesting photos in this SI thanks for taking the time to
comment.

walter..
Alan Browne - 02 Sep 2008 23:25 GMT
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465690 (Old Gas Station)
> Is this Bodie?

Yep.

> Looks like it. Nice composition of the old car, ancient
> gravity pumps, and the town in the background but it seems underexposed,
> and I can't see the detail I want to see in the car and pumps. I'd like
> to see thisone after a little PP to bring it up a little and with a
> little more shadow detail.

The two main problems were people (it was a 10 minute wait to take that)
and a lot of dust on the car.  As the place has a certain antiseptic
look to it (burned dry and clean in the hot sun) the dust on the car did
not fit.

I wanted to emphasize the headlight and the gravity fills.  I am not a
great wide angle shooter, but had rented the lens during the trip.
Experimented a lot.  Had fun.

I didn't think the dark areas of the car would dive under like this (and
I did screw up a couple other shots thinking I had more shadow room than
I did.  (Also, didn't meter... was pure S16 shooting.  Had I metered I
might have given up some saturation for detail.  Alas.)

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465691 (Water/Stacks)
> Nice location, but might have benefited from lower lighting and
> horizontal composition. The stack at the left is cut in two, and the
> horizon seems a little tilted. The sky, fading from dark to light works,
> but there's too much of it and not enough water. A higher shooting angle
> might work, as well.

Mono lake.  It's a half km or more from the parking lot so a bit far to
drag a ladder... even if I had had one.

Cutting the stack.  Sigh.  Seemed like a good idea at the time.  I could
crop it out I suppose.  I wanted LOTS OF SKY, but I didn't anticipate
the gradation in the film like this.  No polarizer, just the way the
Velvia 100F reacted to the visibly much more subtle color change over
the vertical.  (40mm lens on 6x6 ... about 25mm in 35mm camera terms).

The curve of shore in the FG was what I was trying to emphasize.

Tilt.  It _has_ been corrected using the grid in Photoshop.  There is
the effect of the WA lens tilted upward which makes the left horizon
tilt inward and the same for the right ... which is masked by the other
rocks...

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465692 (Water/Stacks-2)
> This shot works well in vertical, but I would have cropped out the dark
> rock on the left and shown a little less foreground. Lighting aside,
> it's a nice composition.

Thanks.  When I shot it, it seemed that the 'strip' in the front was
less prominent in the VF.  I was really working the blue reflections
(incl the pool on the right) while praying the black lines there would
not be perceived for what they are (small black flies.  Gazzilions of
them).  I'm especially pleased with the lighter color in the water on
the left; was not sure at 1/125 how well it would come out.
Black rock.  I take your point.  Maybe I'll clone some water in there...

Thanks for your comments.

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Atheist Chaplain - 03 Sep 2008 04:42 GMT
Firstly I'm not going to even try and guess who took what here (though some
are obvious).
Secondly I'm no photographer by any stretch of the imagination, but I know
what I like and that is where my comments will be coming from.
Let the Games commence.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465694

Castle silhouette
The Castle in the FG is too dark for my liking, and the entire scene is just
to busy.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465695

Sky Scraper Bar
another that is lost in a maze of dark, contrasty clutter, no real focus for
me to latch onto.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465696

Golden Sunset
Nice capture taken about 2 minutes too late, the sky is great, the contrast
in the sea is good but a little more sunlight and maybe a bit of sunbeam
action would have made this a great shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465697

Laughing Dog
I like this shot, but to me the dog reminds me of "Muttley" form the "Wacky
Racers" cartoon and rather than barking, he looks like he is laughing, great
fun energy with this one.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465699

Yellow Bug
The antennae falling across the front of the picture is distracting for me.
and the shallow DOF detracts a bit as well (who would have thought that in
my short time trawling through these photo forums would have me using terms
like "Depth of Field" and actually have a basic understanding of what it
means :-))

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494052

Safe Job
not much to say here really, I have no idea where I am suppose to be
looking.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465700

insex :-)
nice sharp capture, great bokeh (another work I would not have even know how
to use a year ago) and conveys a sense of the moment.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465701

Flower Path
pleasant scene, well composed, but it just doesn't grab me, maybe because
there is no real artistry, and when your taking a landscape you need
something that jumps out at you, and this is so even right across the photo
it falls into the "Meh" category.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102486981

SNAP!!
just another happy snap, my hard drive is full of exactly the same photos I
have taken on holidays.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102486994

Greenery
OK Now this I like, I like the contrast between the grey tangled trunks and
the variegated green leaves, I know exactly what my focus should be here,
definitely a keeper.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102486997

Cocky
Maybe because I see these birds all the time they become a bit boring, maybe
a bit of fill flash to bring the white Cockatoo out from the background
would help this photo.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465705

Space
I like this, a nice feel of wide open spaces, the brown tones work well with
the grey sky, it gives it a feeling of an impending storm that might just
lift the field into a green haven in the future.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465706

Still Standing
I like old sheds and this one is a nice capture, no idea how to make it
better, but then its OK as it stands :-0

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465707

"F" you :-)
Nice idea but the DOF is a bit shallow for me (friend plays an Ibanez AK who
would love a shot of his guitar like this) maybe if the "F" hole was all in
focus ??

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465708

Can't Find Me
Its a moose, in long grass.......... he looks like he is trying to hide :-)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465709

Marron!
Nice transition from the wet brown water at the top to the darker dryer
brown sand at the bottom, I like this.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465710

Even Trees get wrinkles.
I like the way this shows the aging process, the lower you go, the greyer it
gets, nice composition as well, I would hang that on a wall.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465711

Scars
A nice capture of natures resilience.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465712

Broken Camera!
A photo of a dog so ugly that it did actually break the camera :-)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465713

Comfort Bunny
A wonderful portrait, great lighting and feel to this one, a definite
keeper.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465715

Lost Soul
the look of resignation in this mans eyes says more than words, the grainy
aspect ads an aged feel to the photo as well.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465716

Rose Bench
Although this particular shot has been done to death over the years, this is
a particularly nice capture.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465717

Frog!
Nice capture, great lighting and bokeh, I like this for no particular
reason.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465718

Bolt
I like the feel of this shot, the main standing up and that eye just give
this a feeling of running away in fear from something (though the truth may
be the horse was just in high spirits) I'm not a horse fan but this is a
great photo.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465719

Rose Dew
I like the sepia effect on this shot, the added grain gives it real
character and makes it stand above the millions of wet rose shots out there,
another that I just like.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465720

Funpark
I would have left this as a colour shot, after all isn't the fair all about
the thrill of the rides and the bright colourful lights.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721

Desk
The composition and lighting are terrific in this shot, it evokes a feeling
of work that has been left unfinished.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465722

Happy Families
Nice relaxed family portrait, it feels very 80's to me :-)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465723

Cough!!
Poor bird, very evocative shot, It would do well as a poster for Greenpeace
or any other enviro group.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465724

Tangled Wall
This museum shot is nice and all that but it does nothing for me, sorry.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465725

Reader
I like this, it has a focus and the lighting and composition is great. the
serious look on the woman's face ads to the sombre feel of the location

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465726

Concrete Cancer
I like this, nice composition and lighting,the  inverted cross is
reminiscent of the old naval tradition of flying a flag upside down to
indicate distress.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465727

Vertigo
That's what this shot evokes in me, I almost feel like I'm about to fall
over backwards, and I imagine that was the intent, so well done.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465728

Carrot Fight.
two girls fighting over a carrot, what more need to be said, other than it
could be one of a thousand happy snaps taken in any one of a thousand
kitches. the sort of shot a little brother would post on his MySpace site to
embarrass his big sister.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465731

Merrill's
nice Streetscape, a graphic representation of the declining economy? the
leaning lamp post gives a sense of decay as well (I don't know if that was
intentional, but it works)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465732

Soft
I like this one, it has a great overall soft feel to it, the way the bokeh
gets softer as it runs to the right along with the single twig getting
lighter and less leafy makes this a nice calming shot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465733

Long Bridge
It has an industrial feel to it, and I like the arrow shaped girders along
the bottom of the bridge pointing to the horizon.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465734

Leaving
Nice use of available lighting in this one, the sad expression gives the
photo a feel of someone who is sad to be leaving. Nice capture.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465735

Abandoned
I like old cars and I like this shot, the hanging damaged headlight and the
rusty grill make me want to give the old beast a new home and restore it to
its former glory. another keeper :-)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465736

Cloud Valley
I like the nice peaceful feel to this one, its as if the cares and worries
of the real world don't exist here, the soft lighting on the farmhouse add
to that feeling, I like this one as well.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465737

Trawling
A nice capture of a fishing boat in action, I like this, a photo of a
photographer taking a photo of a fishing trawler :-) very "Vanishing point"
feel :-)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465738

Horses
I jut don't know, its a nice shot and all that, well composed and good
light, but its just another formula shot that you can find a million copies
of on Webshots.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465742

The Coathanger
Nice perspective on a Bridge that has been shot a million times before, nice
composition with the bridge over the Opera House and the City skyline.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465743

Will I drink this?
Nice mozzie shot, I think he is asking himself will he get a drink from this
water drop before if falls off.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465744

Signature Shot
I can only guess who took this, and again, the flower in the water drop and
the black fly all point to one contributor, a nice shot as always and having
the flower repeated in all the smaller drops is wonderful.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494054

River Wall
A nice capture of someone hard work, a single window in a wall made from the
surrounding river rocks is certainly worthy of being called Art, and the
capture has that "Art" feel to it as well.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494056

Marilyn
Nice, well lit portrait, the cheesy grin of the celebrity impersonator makes
this an honest shot in my opinion :-)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494057

Busker
Another nice shot, the vacant stare of the man along with the almost empty
coin collection tells me, more playing and less naval gazing might earn him
enough to buy a decent meal :-)

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465745

still Sunset
The still flag and serene nature of the lake are enhanced by the lovely
pastel colours in the sky, a very peaceful scene.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465746

Faded.
The twin chairs, with their aged look is enhanced by the almost complete
removal of colour, there is just enough of a tinge in the green grass and
the terracotta pots to give the whole picture a faded feel.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465747

Yellow
I know what I have to look at, even though there is a lot of flowers in this
shot, right there in the centre, a lady bug!

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465690

Fillerup!!
nice contrast between the well cared for old car and the dilapidated fuel
bowsers. Well done.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465691

Bleak Landscape
Lots of sky, some bleached rocks, This does nothing for me, Sorry.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465692

More Rocks
Same but different, Still unable to decide what to say about this.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102488004

Under the Bleachers
Interesting shot, for something that is so crowded, it doesn't feel busy, I
like this one, it has a feel of summer about it.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102488007

Sunset.
Or is it, this seem to dark to be a real sunset, the black trees and dark
water drag it down more light would probably lift this shot a lot.

http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102488009

Dried flower
This is nice, I like the lighting and I like the composition.
Paul Furman - 03 Sep 2008 06:41 GMT
Wow.
Thanks Alan for making it happen and to Mark, Bowser & Chaplain for the
thorough comments! I'm not really up for writing critiques now, maybe
when the names are unveiled. And big thanks to the contributors, this is
a really nice set!

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465731
>
> Merrill's
> nice Streetscape, a graphic representation of the declining economy? the
> leaning lamp post gives a sense of decay as well (I don't know if that was
> intentional, but it works)

That's near 'skid row',note the porn theater a couple doors down. It is
simply a landscape appreciation shot as are many of mine, I like the old
town charm: if I wanted 'run down', it would have been more obvious. The
perspective is preposterous but oh well, it's fun. I've been fiddling
with simple perspective correction in photoshop and it does not do so
well: the bottoms get smooshed & overall just not right. A shot like
this would lose half the subject material too. I just picked up a D700
today and the old Sigma 12-24 is now truly preposterously wide. Egads.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465732
>
> Soft
> I like this one, it has a great overall soft feel to it, the way the bokeh
> gets softer as it runs to the right along with the single twig getting
> lighter and less leafy makes this a nice calming shot.

Thanks, this is what I do for a living, selling plants with sexy pics on
the web. That is a hand stitched panorama with two shots. Time to get a
real stitching/perspective correction program.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465733
>
> Long Bridge
> It has an industrial feel to it, and I like the arrow shaped girders along
> the bottom of the bridge pointing to the horizon.

Yes I love that industrial feel. Glad it came through. Shot from a
sailboat. The framing is not perfect but darn good, I've done a bunch of
these, it's so dramatic that you just want more from it <grin>.

Regarding critiquing, I had the thought recently about feeling free to
make mistakes and just going ahead & noting those later to learn from.
The (hidden) descriptions I sent for these included self deprecating
remarks about what I messed up (forgot high ISO from last shot, etc.
There is so much to think about, things are bound to go wrong and even
when they do go wrong that doesn't necessarily ruin a great composition
or idea. Others might spend more time setting up a shot & verifying all
settings are optimal, I tend to take a more machine gun approach,
checking & adjusting settings a lot but primarily focused on the
composition and idea. Not sure there's a point, just what I've been
thinking.

Great set.

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Böwser - 03 Sep 2008 12:31 GMT
> Firstly I'm not going to even try and guess who took what here (though
> some are obvious).
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> "Wacky Racers" cartoon and rather than barking, he looks like he is
> laughing, great fun energy with this one.

Muttley! Yes! I loved that cartoon dog. Buster is close.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102494052
>
> Safe Job
> not much to say here really, I have no idea where I am suppose to be
> looking.

True enough, the shot did not translate well at all. Just a play on the
"open" mandate that somehow got lost when it moved to the group. Back to the
drawing board.
Stuffed Crust - 03 Sep 2008 13:36 GMT
> Leaving
> Nice use of available lighting in this one, the sad expression gives the
> photo a feel of someone who is sad to be leaving. Nice capture.

...it turned out that she was unhappy to be arriving.  

I did share her sentiments somewhat, albeit for different reasons.

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Robert Coe - 03 Sep 2008 05:03 GMT
: Greetings,
:
: Time for more insightful critique from someone with the artistic eye of a
: gerbil. Please take it all with a huge grain of salt. Believe it or not, I
: have no artistic education.

Neither do I. But as it seems to be time to explain ourselves, I'll do so by
responding to your comments on my three.

: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465694 ("Rook" Ferris Wheel)
: I like the composition, and the contrast between the castle and ferris wheel
: in the background; they seem to tie the visuals together nicely. I would
: have liked a little more light on the tower, but it may not have been
: possible. Overall, a nice shot.

Glad you liked it. I know a couple of others didn't, and I recognize that it's
something of an idiosyncratic shot. We had been to the amusement park on the
Boardwalk in Ocean City, New Jersey, and I clicked off this last shot as we
were leaving. I was standing in a big shed that holds the smaller rides and
looking out towards the Ferris wheel in back. I didn't realize until I had
uploaded the pictures to my computer that I'd captured a fairly decent
juxtaposition of the wheel and the four-pronged structure inside the shed,
which I guess is a decorated motor housing for one of the flat, circular
rides. The latter would certainly have been too dark and uninteresting if it
were not for the red lights scattered over it. I guess the lights flash while
the ride is running; I didn't really notice.

: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465695 (High Bar)
: Not a fan of this one. the silhouettes don't tell a real story, the
: background is too obsure, and there's not enough detail in the people to say
: much.

"Happy Hour" at the cocktail lounge on the 95th floor of the John Hancock
Insurance building in Chicago. If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't submit
this one, as it looks awful against a black background, into which it
seamlessly, and unartistically, merges. It works a lot better against a
lighter background, which I guess is the only way I had seen it. I liked the
silhouettes of the people talking as couples or in small groups, but I can see
why others might consider it too static.

: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465696 (Sunset on the Water)
: Nice light, nice colors, perfect exposure, but a little too centered for me.
: Again, not sure if any other composition was even possible, but it's a
: little too much of a bull's eye for me.

Sunset over Cape Cod Bay, Eastham, Massachusetts. The outer section of Cape
Cod, beyond the elbow, is one of the few locations on the U.S. east coast
where you can see a full open-water sunset. I went down to the water's edge
and took about 15 pictures as the sun went down and the colors faded, and this
was the best of the bunch. What I particularly liked about it was that the
colored sky, and to some extent the water, could have been a painting rather
than a photograph. (This image wasn't modified in any way.) I don't think any
other sensible composition was available. The reeds were too short to have
provided a dominant theme, even if I had gotten down closer to the water
level, and there was nothing to the left or right that could have provided
interesting subject matter. You have to either take it or leave it. I actually
think sunsets usually work best when they're approximately centered, but
that's obviously a personal preference with which some may vehemently
disagree.

In all three of these pictures I could see a significant falloff in sharpness
and detail as I pared them down from Canon CR2 RAW mode to the low-resolution
JPEGs that were mandated. So I hope a decision is made not to reduce the
allowable file size or pixel count below what it was for this SI.

Bob
Böwser - 03 Sep 2008 12:34 GMT
> : Greetings,
> :
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> that's obviously a personal preference with which some may vehemently
> disagree.

I love the outer cape, and I'll be out there bicycling next weekend. Taking
the fast ferry from Boston to Provincetown, and cycling down to Wellfleet,
weather permitting. Enjoy the outer cape while you can, before it washes
away...

> In all three of these pictures I could see a significant falloff in
> sharpness
> and detail as I pared them down from Canon CR2 RAW mode to the
> low-resolution
> JPEGs that were mandated. So I hope a decision is made not to reduce the
> allowable file size or pixel count below what it was for this SI.

I'd prefer the option to post larger files, as well. Hate having to deal
with heavy compression in JPGs.
Ken Nadvornick - 03 Sep 2008 06:09 GMT
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465720 (Carnival Rides)
> OK, this is one of those shots that I'd really prefer in color. Carnival
> rides are usually very colorful, and the combination of motion and color
> might improve this shot. The other thing I don't get is the w--i--d--e
> border. Give me more picture and less border...

Aww, Bowser...  You already know that all of my photographs come
special-order, factory-equipped *without* all of those pesky colors.  It's a
lifestyle choice, you know.  I probably would have been (visually) happier
being born a dog.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721 (Window)
> I like this effort more than the previous, but the damned huge border still
> takes away from the shot. Due to the size of the border, the shot is small,
> and hard to see. Maybe it's my total lack of artistic appreciation, but I'd
> prever more pic and less border.

The white borders are there to simulate a white mounting board.  Just wanted
to see how it would work as a submission.  I'll probably be roasted yet again
for this, but I still define a photograph to be something one can - must! -
hold in his or her hands.  As I've said before (stop listening here, Bret), to
fully and completely experience a photograph, you must be physically in its
presence.  Everything else is just, well... abstract reproductions.  This was
an attempt to simulate that reality.

Adding a white "board" serves to isolate the photo from it's surroundings,
just like when viewing a real, mounted photograph.  In this case, it give the
"print" a visible border.  Otherwise the black edges become indistinguishable
from the black PBase background, and the viewer has no idea what they are
looking at.
It also serves to "key" the tones in a way that merged black edges can't.

Try this.  Save the image portion only.  Then place it on an all-black
background in your favorite image editor.  Then compare what you feel (not
what you see), with the original white bordered version.  I'll bet your
reactions are noticeably different.

> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721 (Ken and family?)
> Ken? Is that you? If so, my compliments! Nice family, and very nice shot.
> However, I'd feel remiss if I didn't find something to complain about, so
> why crop just above the knees? I really prefer either a full length shot or
> a crop at the waist. Cutting people off at the joints bugs me.

Well now, you're the second person to ask me that regarding this photo.  No,
it's really not me in the picture.  I was truly behind the camera for this
one.  But if that Mark Thomas fellow is following along, *damn* you're good.
This negative was made around 1985.  It was an intentionally minimalist
approach.  No background.  No chairs or stools.  No props.  Nothing to hide
behind.  Just the three people you see.

I was behind the tripod-mounted Yashica MAT-124G (same camera I've used many
times in previous SI mandates), trying to get the kid to smile.  And what you
see is essentially full-frame.  Meaning those legs are missing on purpose.  I
showed just enough of them to prime the mental-picture pump.  No need to go
any lower, as the viewer's imagination will easily fill in those blanks.  That
allowed me to concentrate on the far more interesting upper two-thirds of the
adults.  Their shoes really weren't really radiating much personality that
night.

Ken
Mark Thomas - 03 Sep 2008 06:32 GMT
>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465720 (Carnival Rides)
>> OK, this is one of those shots that I'd really prefer in color. Carnival
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> lifestyle choice, you know.  I probably would have been (visually) happier
> being born a dog.

Call me a party pooper/mythbuster, but this one really needs to be
corrected on behalf of puppies all over the world..  Dogs are not
colourblind, and do not see in b&w.  However, they are insensitive to
colours around the yellow bit of the spectrum, so their rainbow is
pretty much RYBIV, instead of ROYGBIV.  Hence their difficulty in
finding orange tennis balls in grass..  Interestingly, short-nosed dogs
 have greater visual acuity than long nosed ones, whch may explain why
cute little dogs are seen as cutely attentive - they examine and act
upon facial expressions much more than big dogs do.  Or so I'm told.

Links available on request..  woof.

>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721 (Window)
>> I like this effort more than the previous, but the damned huge border still
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> what you see), with the original white bordered version.  I'll bet your
> reactions are noticeably different.

This is really interesting.  Not sure if it works as well as you want it
to, though.  But I'll look at it again when I have more time, but I too
foudn them a bit distracting at those sizes.

>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721 (Ken and family?)
>> Ken? Is that you? If so, my compliments! Nice family, and very nice shot.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> it's really not me in the picture.  I was truly behind the camera for this
> one.  But if that Mark Thomas fellow is following along, *damn* you're good.

Thanks - I'm presuming you refer to my guess at the timeline?  I am
willing to admit, here in public, that I used to wear... flairs.  Sadly,
the look resonated with me.

> I was behind the tripod-mounted Yashica MAT-124G (same camera I've used many
> times in previous SI mandates), trying to get the kid to smile.

Funnily enough, I still have that very camera..  But it hasn't seen a
roll of film in an *awful* long time.  One day I will get the urge, and
then I won't be able to find a lab..  I can also sheepishly admit I get
it out every now and then just to play with it - I just like the *feel*
of the way it works, and looking at the image going the wrong way as you
pan, on the criss-cross ground glass through the natty little
magnifier..!  Those were the days.. (..used to live in brown paper bag
in middle o' road..)

> No need to go
> any lower, as the viewer's imagination will easily fill in those blanks.  That
> allowed me to concentrate on the far more interesting upper two-thirds of the
> adults.  Their shoes really weren't really radiating much personality that
> night.

I think the kid's shoes make that image!

Nice shots, Ken.

mt
Böwser - 03 Sep 2008 12:39 GMT
> Funnily enough, I still have that very camera..  But it hasn't seen a roll
> of film in an *awful* long time.  One day I will get the urge, and then I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the criss-cross ground glass through the natty little magnifier..!  Those
> were the days.. (..used to live in brown paper bag in middle o' road..)

Maybe the next mandate should be "B&W shot in a Yashica Mat 124G." At least
three of us have one.
Mark Thomas - 03 Sep 2008 13:15 GMT
>> Funnily enough, I still have that very camera..  But it hasn't seen a
>> roll of film in an *awful* long time.  One day I will get the urge,
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Maybe the next mandate should be "B&W shot in a Yashica Mat 124G." At
> least three of us have one.

haha!  I'm good for it - Next time I see a pro store I'll grab a roll of
120.....  Sh!t - now that I think about it I had 2 rolls of Provia
hidden in the deep ice at the back of a freezer at a friend's place. I'd
forgotten about those.. but maybe I did use them.  Old age...

But I'm not sure how Provia holds up after long freezing anyway - must
be at least 4 years old, probably more..  Geez, it would hurt to throw
them away, though..

Anyway, I've got my motivation back to give it another outing.
Böwser - 03 Sep 2008 12:37 GMT
>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465720 (Carnival Rides)
>> OK, this is one of those shots that I'd really prefer in color. Carnival
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> lifestyle choice, you know.  I probably would have been (visually) happier
> being born a dog.

Well, to be fair, all I ever shoot in my Yashica Mat 124G is B&W, as well.
Just not as often as I should.

>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721 (Window)
>> I like this effort more than the previous, but the damned huge border
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> what you see), with the original white bordered version.  I'll bet your
> reactions are noticeably different.

Understood on the border, I'd just prefer a little less of it. But hey,
that's just my artistic education talking.

>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/102465721 (Ken and family?)
>> Ken? Is that you? If so, my compliments! Nice family, and very nice shot.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> adults.  Their shoes really weren't really radiating much personality that
> night.

The real question here is simple: