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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / September 2008P SHOP LE VS Elements
After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. I have tried every damn solution/fix I can think of. I un-installed and re-installed it. I have performed every maintenance procedure that I have available (Windows and Norton Systemworks). It just stopped working. The window opens, but remains blank and stalls. So, here is my question: Is Elements similar in functionality and layout to LE ? I do not have the need for full blown P Shop, nor do I want to spend that kind of $$$. LE has served my purposes just fine for many years. I'd like to stick with a program I'm familiar with, rather than use some other software from a different brand, altogether. TIA  SignatureSteve <snip> McQ > After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having > much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > TIA If you've been using PS LE5.0 then even the most basic Elements 3 - 4 (What are they up to now 7?) will simply blow you away. But as for the interface being similar, no. There's a whole new set of menus and functions and controls to learn, sorry. On the bright side PS CS2 or CS3 would be even worse. :-) -Jim >> After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having >> much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > controls to learn, sorry. On the bright side PS CS2 or CS3 would be even > worse. :-) I don't agree. Elements is really little different other than the hoaky look v. LE 5. The basic menus and such are pretty much the same, except there is additional stuff. CS3 is actually easier to use in the sense that it is no-nonsense, direct and clean ... but a helluvalotmore stuff. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. >>> After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having >>> much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >CS3 is actually easier to use in the sense that it is no-nonsense, >direct and clean ... but a helluvalotmore stuff. You are comparing a program that costs almost $1,000 (CS3) to a program that costs just under $100(Elements), and can be purchased for less in many places. Wasn't that long ago I saw a printer being advertised for under $100 with Elements bundled with it. As for the helluvalotmore stuff...just about all of that more stuff is not used by the average photographer, and much of it isn't used by the experienced, professional photographer. There are more bells and whistles in the full Photoshop programs than most people know how to work. I have Photoshop 7.0 and Elements 5.0. I use them both, and sometimes I'll use both on the same image. For certain situations, one is usually the best choice over the other. Elements also has a built-in Organizer which allows tagging and other benefits. I don't happen to like it, and don't use it, but many do. If I wanted to use tagging, I'd use Lightroom (which I have) and tag there. That's a $100 program that has other benefits. The word is "hokey", by the way. It means "contrived and artificial". All program interfaces are contrived and artificial. The makers contrive to make them attractive but simple to use. Adobe often misses, but - then - most software designers miss somewhere along the line. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > The word is "hokey", by the way. It means "contrived and artificial". > All program interfaces are contrived and artificial. The makers > contrive to make them attractive but simple to use. Adobe often > misses, Well, they really missed with Elements. I bought a copy, and hate it. Really bad layout and options. Can't even choose "pixels" in the re-size function. It's obviously aimed at those who print at home, and make "photo albums". I just want a program that can process images from a dSLR or slide scanner. I think I'll shop around for another copy of LE. Much cleaner layout, and more straightforward. In short, I think Elements sucks a.s. Even though I got it for $59, I feel like it was money wasted. SignatureSteve <snip> McQ >> The word is "hokey", by the way. It means "contrived and artificial". >> All program interfaces are contrived and artificial. The makers [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > hate it. Really bad layout and options. Can't even choose "pixels" > in the re-size function. Wrong. What v. of Elements do you have? In Elements 3 you can resize by pixel, cm, inches... succeeding versions should be no different. Example: http://www.aliasimages.com/images/E3SS.jpg Note: be sure to set the 'resample' check box to enable changing the image size. > It's obviously aimed at those who print at home, > and make "photo albums". It's 10% that and 90% stuff that most people won't even use. > I just want a program that can process images from a dSLR or slide > scanner. Elements is more than sufficient. Does raw imports very well and many of the functions will operate in 16b/color. > I think I'll shop around for another copy of LE. Much cleaner layout, > and more straightforward. > In short, I think Elements sucks a.s. Even though I got it for $59, > I feel like it was money wasted. Elements is truly burdened with fluff and floss... but it has all of the functionality of LE 5 and much more. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote : > Wrong. What v. of Elements do you have? In Elements 3 you can resize > by pixel, cm, inches... succeeding versions should be no different. I have V 6. It does NOT have an option in the re-size function to choose "pixels". As I already said, LE is a lot more straightforward and has a cleaner layout. While Elements contains certain improvements over LE, it is flawed to the point of clunkiness. It stinks, IMO. SignatureSteve <snip> McQ > "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote : >> Wrong. What v. of Elements do you have? In Elements 3 you can resize >> by pixel, cm, inches... succeeding versions should be no different. > > I have V 6. It does NOT have an option in the re-size function to choose > "pixels". Please see this link: http://www.aliasimages.com/images/E3SS.jpg (v3). The sequence is usually in the image editor: Image -> Image Size and in _that menu_ the "Resample Image" checkbox _must be checked_ or you cannot resize. X-posted to the "a.p.elements" NG. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. >> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@Freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote : >>> Wrong. What v. of Elements do you have? In Elements 3 you can resize [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >X-posted to the "a.p.elements" NG. Elements does not have pixels in the drop-down for resizing. It has percent, cm, mm, points, and picas. If you want to resize to a given pixel dimension, you crop to that dimension. You can crop by pixel dimension. In the hundreds of slide scans I've done, I've never resized. Cropped, yes, but not resized. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > Please see this link: http://www.aliasimages.com/images/E3SS.jpg (v3). Please get a clue. In Elements 6.0, the options are: percent inches cm mm points picas columns Also, to re-size, you must click "image">"re-size", then "image size". With LE, there is a drop down menu that automatically accesses image size. Within that window, you can enter the width and height, in pixels. There is no need to check the "re-sample" option. So, LE is much much streamlined than the lame-a.s Elements functions. SignatureSteve <snip> McQ >> Please see this link: http://www.aliasimages.com/images/E3SS.jpg (v3). > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > is much much streamlined than the lame-a.s Elements > functions. NOPE. Just for you, I DL's PS Elements V.6 And it is precisely as I said in the previous post and as I showed in the screenshot... except the menu is grey, not white. I'll post a screenshot in a few minutes. And speaking of clues: Where you see "Document Size" Look up to where it says "Pixel Dimensions". That's where you change it. And BTW: make sure the "Resample Image" is checked. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. >> Please see this link: http://www.aliasimages.com/images/E3SS.jpg (v3). > > Please get a clue. Here, have this one. Illustrated, just for you. http://www.aliasimages.com/images/PS6SS.jpg Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. >>> The word is "hokey", by the way. It means "contrived and artificial". >>> All program interfaces are contrived and artificial. The makers [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Elements is truly burdened with fluff and floss... but it has all of the >functionality of LE 5 and much more. I scanned in and tweaked several hundred slides using Elements 5.0. I had to use Photoshop 7.0 on a few, but most came out well using Elements. If McSteve is having problems using Elements, the problem with McSteve and not with Elements. There's ample indication of this with his comments about the layout. It's a dead-simple interface to work with. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > If McSteve is having problems using Elements, the problem with McSteve > and not with Elements. And, you would be wrong. A function that took two clicks in LE requires four in Elements. Is that an improvement? Then, there's the other fool who keeps referencing V 3, when I clearly said I have V 6. Not the same. SignatureSteve <snip> McQ >> If McSteve is having problems using Elements, the problem with McSteve >> and not with Elements. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Then, there's the other fool who keeps referencing V 3, when I clearly > said I have V 6. Not the same. And the procedure is identical in PS LE 5, PS E 3 and PS E 6 (And PS CS 3 for that matter). I wonder why that is; and I wonder who the fool is? Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. >> If McSteve is having problems using Elements, the problem with McSteve >> and not with Elements. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >said I have V 6. >Not the same. Alan is correct. I have Elements 5.0 and clicking "resample" changes the top box to allow resampling by pixel dimension. It's one click to change the option, but you must enter the setting. I assume you must enter the setting in that cereal box program you like. Why you'd resize instead of cropping to size is beyond me. Most images are improved by cropping. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having >much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I'd like to stick with a program I'm familiar with, rather than use >some other software from a different brand, altogether. Adobe's Photoshop Elements 6.0 is available for a free download for a 30 day period. Elements will everything, and more, that LE 5.0 does. I'd suggest you try it. There's some learning involved, but nothing particularly complicated. Elements 6.0 will cost you somewhere between $50 and $100, but you can purchase earlier versions of Elements for less. I have Elements 5.0 and prefer it to 6.0. (I also have Photoshop 7.0, but use Elements for simple post-processing) I am not a fan of Norton Systemworks. It seems to cause more problems with other programs than it benefits. The free AVG program is less intrusive. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > I am not a fan of Norton Systemworks. It seems to cause more problems > with other programs than it benefits. The free AVG program is less > intrusive. What is "AVG", and where do I find it? What is frustrating to me, is that I've been running LE on the same machine since early '04, and it just stopped working. It is a registered copy, which I purchased at retail price. The same version of LE is still running fine on my laptop. One major issue is that I use LE with my scanners, which are connected to my PC. The flatbed uses a SCSI interface, and I can't connect it to my laptop. I am frustrated, and pissed. Goddam Windows! SignatureSteve <snip> McQ >> I am not a fan of Norton Systemworks. It seems to cause more problems >> with other programs than it benefits. The free AVG program is less >> intrusive. > >What is "AVG", and where do I find it? http://free.avg.com/ They have a free version (which most people use) at that site. If you change to AVG, you have to uninstall Norton. That's extremely complicated because the standard uninstall procedures don't work for Norton. Using Windows>Control Panel>Add or Remove Programs does not remove all of the Norton components. You have to contact Norton (Symantic) for an additional set of steps (free) to completely remove Norton. If you don't, you have future problems. Whatever anti-virus you use, turn it off when downloading and/or installing a new program. These programs often block parts of an install. Try re-installing your LE program with Norton turned off. >What is frustrating to me, is that I've been running LE on the >same machine since early '04, and it just stopped working. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >and I can't connect it to my laptop. I am frustrated, and pissed. >Goddam Windows! I have a SCSI port on my desktop because the slide/negative scanner I use requires it. (An older Minolta) I import the slide scans to Elements 5.0 without a problem. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > Whatever anti-virus you use, turn it off when downloading and/or > installing a new program. These programs often block parts of an > install. > > Try re-installing your LE program with Norton turned off. After trying all possible fixes I uninstalled and then tried to re-install LE. The CD wouldn't even run, when I tried to do the installation. I was finally able to do the install by re-booting in "safe" mode. The installation looked complete, but the program won't run. I may try as you suggested, and do another install with Norton off. As for removing all Norton files, I'm not too keen on that. I paid full retail for the package. I'm not comfortable with dumping something I spent $$ on. Thanks. SignatureSteve <snip> McQ >> Whatever anti-virus you use, turn it off when downloading and/or >> installing a new program. These programs often block parts of an [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >full retail for the package. I'm not comfortable with dumping >something I spent $$ on. That's certainly your choice, but if you have the disks you can re-install it. However, sticking with a program just because you paid for it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. http://reviews.cnet.com/internet-security-and-firewall/norton-antivirus-2008-wit h/4505-3667_7-32588377.html says that Norton takes up roughly 6-times the space on your computer as other anti-virus programs. It doesn't work with Firefox, and Firefox is my choice (and the choice of many others) in place of Internet Explorer. There are numerous other problems associated with Norton that can be found by a web search. From another site: "Norton Antivirus 2008 is a good product for keeping your computer safe from viruses, but is not as effective as it should be against spyware. While it has a good track record of keeping viruses off of computers using it, it also has significant issues with slowing down computers that it is protecting. Symantec has done a lot to fix the slow down issues by reducing the amount of system resources used, but they still need to do more work to make the product a contender in the modern antivirus market." I'm not trying to get you to dump Norton, but if you are having problems, and these problems may be associated with Norton, it may be best to bite the bullet and dump it. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having > much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have the need for full blown P Shop, nor do I want to spend that > kind of $$$. The basic functionality and "grammar" of Elements is not very different from LE 5. You'll be comfortable. If you re-touch photos for dust, scratches or just plain don't like aunt Maggie, you'll find those tools much easier than LE 5. PS Elements V whatever is quite advanced compared to LE 5. The GUI interface is a bit slow and overdone, however. In particular, Elements has the Adobe raw file converter, a major bonus. You can DL a trial v. of Elements most recent v. for a 1 month trial for free and then pay for it online if you like it. I've gone on to CS3 which has a streamlined no-nonsense interface as well as better color management and a lot more in terms of processing... but that's a much more expensive proposition. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. > After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having > much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > TIA Have you considered the Gimp. http://www.gimp.org/ It is very good. The price, $0.00 is within most peoples budget! If you have not tried it, why not download a copy and try it? You could have it installed in about 10 minutes from now. The above site only keeps the source code, so I suggest you download the windows installer from http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html The latest release is 2.4.7 as of today (Friday Sept 5th 2008). The download for the Windows installer you probably want is http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gimp-win/gimp-2.4.7-i686-setup.exe However, that last link is the latest as of today. Next month there might be a later release. >> After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having >> much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >However, that last link is the latest as of today. Next month there >might be a later release. This guy has trouble with the interface of Elements 6.0 and can't figure out how to resize with that simple program. Gimp is more complicated for the novice and software impaired, so he'd be completely lost. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >> After using P Shop LE 5.0 for about 8 years, I am having >> much difficulty with it. That is, it will not load, or function any more. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://www.gimp.org/ It's free ... because that's what it's worth. Having said that, the current beta v. will be a big improvement when it's finalized. To help out mcsteve I DL'd PS E 6 (Mac versions as the Win version is no longer available for DL) and found that the operation he's looking for is unchanged since LE 5 (other than the color scheme of the window that it's done in). http://www.aliasimages.com/images/PS6SS.jpg Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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