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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / October 2007[SI] - Man Made is created
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/manmade Still time for submissions http://si.jlkramer.net/rulz/rulz.htm OK, before any of you "reviewers" dump all over my (Bowser) snapshot of my lunch, please understand that I actually ate that garbage. I suffer for my art. The shot looks like my stomach felt. > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/manmade > > Still time for submissions > > http://si.jlkramer.net/rulz/rulz.htm Very good batch overall ... Wilba's is quite interesting. Walter's is unexpected... maybe I'll slip something in...  Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > Very good batch overall ... Wilba's is quite interesting. Walter's > is unexpected... maybe I'll slip something in... Wilba's entry is interesting. What color was the door and who spent the time to get the wax polished? Well done. > Walter's is unexpected... I have no idea how to take the comment. It has been a while since I have submitted to SI or maybe it is the man made man. The forest gnome was a good model and stood perfectly still while waiting for the shadows to move. I did neglect to get a model release, he can sue but will have to explain himself to the court. I like Jim Kramer's entry. This is one of several he has done where a simple ordinary object suddenly captures your attention. The ball point pen tip a few weeks ago is another.. Walter.. > > Very good batch overall ... Wilba's is quite interesting. Walter's > > is unexpected... maybe I'll slip something in... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Walter.. Looking at the statistics, your's is one of the most popular. :-) Thanks. At the risk of coloring other people's comments; this was part of some ultra-simplistic photo projects, one object, one light, and wide open. The deeper message is that while man is very capable of making an empty cup; it is still empty... :-) Jim >> Very good batch overall ... Wilba's is quite interesting. >> Walter's is unexpected... maybe I'll slip something in... > > Wilba's entry is interesting. What color was the door and who > spent the time to get the wax polished? Well done. Thanks Walter. The car was mile-deep jet black polished to a mirror finish. I saw it at a local show and shine last Sunday. The blue at the top is sky, and the red stripe is a barrier tape. >> Walter's is unexpected... > > I have no idea how to take the comment. It has been a while > since I have submitted to SI or maybe it is the man made man. For me, the unexpectedness is the material. When I thought about "man made" I didn't think of natural rocks. > The forest gnome was a good model and stood perfectly > still while waiting for the shadows to move. I did neglect to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > where a simple ordinary object suddenly captures your attention. > The ball point pen tip a few weeks ago is another.. I agree. Jim's is the one that keep going back to for another look. He's made an ordinary object look fabulous. Very well done indeed. > >> Very good batch overall ... Wilba's is quite interesting. > >> Walter's is unexpected... maybe I'll slip something in... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I saw it at a local show and shine last Sunday. The blue at the top is sky, > and the red stripe is a barrier tape. Great reflection. Key hole and door handle are man made objects juxtaposed with a reflected field of flowers devoid of man made objects. Well done.. w.. >>> Wilba's entry is interesting. What color was the door and who >>> spent the time to get the wax polished? Well done. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > juxtaposed with a reflected field of flowers devoid of man made > objects. Well done.. Thanks again. I agree about the effect of the juxtaposition. I would add that the daisys and grass are the result of cultivation by man, so they are not man made in the obvious sense but perhaps in another. > > Very good batch overall ... Wilba's is quite interesting. Walter's > > is unexpected... maybe I'll slip something in... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I have no idea how to take the comment. It has been a while Unexpected in the sense that the stones are natural bits of nature's rubble, but the trail marker is of course man made. By man made I guess I was looking for mane made right down to the base materials. Cheers, Alan > > > Very good batch overall ... Wilba's is quite interesting. Walter's > > > is unexpected... maybe I'll slip something in... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cheers, > Alan Alan, Thanks for the comments. A lot of people living around here are simplifying their lives. ( I am in a transition living half my life on the Bruce peninsula and the rest in Waterloo dealing with leading edge technology) The Bruce Peninsula part is getting simpler. In a strange way the innukshuk is more personally man made. It creators were my neighbors and their 20 something boys and significant others, a family weekend project. Many thanks w.. > Very good batch overall ... Wilba's is quite interesting. > Walter's is unexpected... maybe I'll slip something in... Thanks Alan. Please do. Mark Thomas - Railroad Tracks http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568468 The composition is just interesting enough, the angle forces me to take some time to figure out just what I'm looking at. I think the foreground OOF is about right, that's extreme depth in the frame and more DOF would look unnatural. Wilba - Meadow Reflection in Car Door http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 Excellent! Walter Banks - Man Made Man: Stone Cairn http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568470 Neat find and well captured. I appreciate that you waited for the light to get just right and it shows. Bowser - Fast Food http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568471 Urgh Jim Kramer - Coffee Mug http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 Maybe with some coffee in it would be more interesting... or after you got some coffee in you! :-) I suppose it would make a good background for something. Bob Flint - Mixing Board http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568473 I get a neat sense of movement from this. The upper left corner angle is a bit disturbing and the background a bit distracting but overall it works well. Paul Campbell - Overgrown Car http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568474 Well done! Michelo - Eiffel Tower http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86572696 Nice composition & exposure. I like the juxtaposition of tree & tower. The flare of the sun below is bothersome though the idea of the sun at the bottom mid-day is interesting. I'm not sure about the twisted view, wouldn't this be level with the horizontal lines horizontal? Paul Furman - Corral http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86575584 (me) Alright, it's kind of kitschy but a decent take. The crookedness of the structure is close to being upsetting, it probably is still off level. SignaturePaul Furman Photography http://edgehill.net Bay Natives Nursery http://www.baynatives.com > Walter Banks - Man Made Man: Stone Cairn > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568470 > Neat find and well captured. I appreciate that you waited for the light > to get just right and it shows. Thanks for the comments. A glorious fall day w.. > Jim Kramer - Coffee Mughttp://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 > Maybe with some coffee in it would be more interesting... or after you > got some coffee in you! :-) I suppose it would make a good background > for something. Thanks for commenting. I tried it with some milk in the cup, but that didn't do it for me. > Paul Furman - Corral > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86575584 > (me) Alright, it's kind of kitschy but a decent take. The crookedness of > the structure is close to being upsetting, it probably is still off level. I think the biggest problem I have with your shot is the base of the chute is missing. I see the barbed wire and fence stake so I think I understand why, but I'm left with the feeling of just hanging... >>Jim Kramer - Coffee Mughttp://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 >>Maybe with some coffee in it would be more interesting... or after you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I tried it with some milk in the cup, but that didn't do it for me. Black coffee! :-) >>Paul Furman - Corral >>http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86575584 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > chute is missing. I see the barbed wire and fence stake so I think I > understand why, but I'm left with the feeling of just hanging... Yep, you're right, I have another version with more base & it looks better but I culled it out for other reasons. The one posted is indeed quite crooked too, if I zoom in on the radio tower in the original. SignaturePaul Furman Photography http://edgehill.net Bay Natives Nursery http://www.baynatives.com >>>Jim Kramer - Coffee Mughttp://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 >>>Maybe with some coffee in it would be more interesting... or after you [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > but I culled it out for other reasons. The one posted is indeed quite > crooked too, if I zoom in on the radio tower in the original. Paul Furman is a know image thief. There is no way of knowing if the photos he posts or submits to shootin are taken by him or stolen from another photographer. Passing coment on his submissions are therefore a waste of effort. Doug > >>>Jim Kramer - Coffee Mughttp://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 > >>>Maybe with some coffee in it would be more interesting... or after you [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - WTF? >> Paul Furman is a know image thief. >> There is no way of knowing if the photos he posts or submits to shootin are >> taken by him or stolen from another photographer. Passing coment on his >> submissions are therefore a waste of effort. > WTF? I guess Mac is making sure he insults everyone, now including those who've held off from jumping on him. Signaturejohn mcwilliams >>> Paul Furman is a know image thief. >>> There is no way of knowing if the photos he posts or submits to shootin [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I guess Mac is making sure he insults everyone, now including those who've > held off from jumping on him. You think? Read my reply to Jim before you start your holier than tho sermons. The man knew absolutely thata he had to ask permission to use my images. He took them anyway and altered one of them in ways that made my comparison appear totally lopsided. He did this twice and had the gall to call it "educational purposes". All he teaches is theft, deception and slander. You want to defend him? That's your right but be aware you are known by the company you keep, not what you do or say. My copyright information is clear and precise. http://www.weddingsnportraits.com/copyright_information.htm The man didn't even have the common decency to ask if he could use them. Doug > The man knew absolutely thata he had to ask permission to use my images. He > took them anyway and altered one of them in ways that made my comparison > appear totally lopsided. Hell, D-Mac, your comparison WAS totally lopsided! You got two pics taken at different exposure settings with one of them grossly altered by you. The evidence of your Photoshop butchery is obvious to anyone who has viewed them. >> The man knew absolutely thata he had to ask permission to use my images. >> He [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > grossly altered by you. The evidence of your Photoshop butchery is > obvious to anyone who has viewed them. So the master of Photoshop butchery says it's not on using Photoshop... Good one Bret. Got any more jokes? Doug >>>> Paul Furman is a know image thief. >>>> There is no way of knowing if the photos he posts or submits to shootin [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> I guess Mac is making sure he insults everyone, now including those who've >> held off from jumping on him. > You think? > Read my reply to Jim before you start your holier than tho sermons. Sermon? Pretty good for ca. 20 words. And, "Holy" to boot!? Can you name anyone whom you have insulted? Signaturejohn mcwilliams >>>>> Paul Furman is a know image thief. >>>>> There is no way of knowing if the photos he posts or submits to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Can you name anyone whom you have NOT insulted? Correction in caps above. >>>>>> Paul Furman is a know image thief. >>>>>> There is no way of knowing if the photos he posts or submits to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Correction in caps above. Bugger... I thought you'd seen the light for a change. Oh well. > "John McWilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Bugger... I thought you'd seen the light for a change. Oh well. Is that a yes, no, or maybe?? Signaturelsmft >> >>>Jim Kramer - Coffee Mughttp://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 >> >>>Maybe with some coffee in it would be more interesting... or after you [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > WTF? Absolutely Jim... The man has no principals, no ethics and does not deserve any recognition for anything he claims is his work. 1. Description of copyright work: http://edgehill.net/Misc/photography/20d-fz50 2. The location of my original images: http://www.weddingsnportraits.com/POD/pics/qantas.jpg and http://www.weddingsnportraits.com/POD/pics/qantas.jpg http://weddingsnportraits.com/POD/07-09-07.htm 3. Statement of Good faith: I, Douglas J MacDonald owner of the images being used on Edgehill.net believe my images are being used without my authority. I declare that I am the original Photographer, the copyright holder and owner of the images. I am of the opinion a person or persons unknown to me has created that site specifically to use in their Usenet bullying of me. OFF TOPIC. > I, Douglas J MacDonald owner of the images... I am of the opinion a person or persons unknown to me has > created that site specifically to use in their Usenet bullying of me. Yes, it's the same old, oft repeated Douglas MacDonald "I'm being bullied" signature tune! The one he rolls out every time he posts some ridiculously flawed image comparison, or an example of his incompetence at post-processing* and then someone has the audacity to shoot his argument down in flames.. *Eg: http://www.ryadia.com/PFF/MJW-image-demo.htm (Aka, "how to kill a rabbit"..) (By the way, THOSE IMAGES DO NOT BELONG TO DOUGLAS!!!) His previous tactics didn't seem to work (he used to just quickly pull the images down), so now he uses the "bully" routine. To Paul - and anyone else looking at this who may be Doug's next 'victim' - if Douglas MacDonald complains to your ISP, would you mind sending a copy of the details to me? I'll happily do the same in return. Thanks. (O: To any ISP, or anyone else who gets a complaint from Mr MacDonald, you would be VERY well-served to carefully investigate the behaviour of Mr MacDonald before making copyright and 'fair use' judgements. Are the images he claims are his, *really* his? He has certainly posted images that were NOT his, on numerous occasions, and admitted that fact (see above and below). More history here (not on Google links, just to be different): http://www.photography-forums.com/t86755-the-sad-history-of-dmac.html Here's proof that he has posted images that were NOT his, and an indication of his typical behaviour when criticised: http://www.photography-forums.com/t86213-p-annika1980com-the-criminal-adventures -of-bret-douglas-and-helen-silverberg.html And here: http://www.photography-forums.com/t1037-p4-enlarging-digital-images.html is where, about halfway down, Douglas posts as "Graham Hunt" in an attempt to promote his business. Fraudulent behaviour, imo. Thanks for listening. (I've got a million of 'em) (O; > Paul Furman is a know image thief. > There is no way of knowing if the photos he posts or submits to shootin are > taken by him or stolen from another photographer. Passing coment on his > submissions are therefore a waste of effort. I know this music! >Bob Flint - Mixing Board >http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568473 >I get a neat sense of movement from this. The upper left corner angle is >a bit disturbing and the background a bit distracting but overall it >works well. Thanks for the comment. I had a hard time framing this shot, I couldn't crop it, but I should have covered the background crap with a black cloth or something... I think I ended up messing up the camera settings as well! > Wilba - Meadow Reflection in Car Door > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 > Excellent! Thanks very much. :-) > Bowser - Fast Food > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568471 > Urgh You forgot to mention how I symbolically injected symbolism into a scene symbolically devoid of symbols. Quick, the barf bag! Mark Thomas - Railroad Tracks http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568468 My first reaction was, "that looks like an Aussie scene", so I feel good about spotting that. :-) B&W works. Foreground OOF is fine for me. I generally have a negative reaction to central compositions but this one is interesting enough for me not to mind too much. Wilba - Meadow Reflection in Car Door http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 I went to a show and shine to get some "Automobilia" shots for another challenge. This image was very popular so I decided to submit it here as well. If I had my chance again I'd move the piece of bark, maybe not remove it entirely, but have it clear of the two flowers. Walter Banks - Man Made Man: Stone Cairn http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568470 I'm not sure what others are finding so interesting in this one. My eye is drawn to the foreground shadow and doesn't want it be there. Bowser - Fast Food http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568471 Nothing special as a photo but the text made me genuinely LOL. Great lateral thinking, well done. :-) Jim Kramer - Coffee Mug http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 Superb. Beautiful, elegant, intriguing. I can't imagine how this image could be improved. Bob Flint - Mixing Board http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568473 I imagine that this image doesn't quite match what you had in mind, that it was difficult to achieve what you did. I like it and I think it fits the topic well, since the subject is not only man made itself, but is used my man to make other things. Paul Campbell - Overgrown Car http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568474 It looks to me like a lot of the damage is man made, so once again a multiple fit for the challenge. I like the tight crop and strong diagonals. Any further back and I think it would lose impact. Michelo - Eiffel Tower http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86572696 Nice vertigo-inducing perspective. It would be less interesting for me with the horizontals horizontal. Nice touch with filling the sky with the tree. The flare was deliberately included I suspect, and I'm not sure whether I'd prefer it not there. As it is, I accept your decisions and I enjoy the image. Paul Furman - Corral http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86575584 When I look at this I want to see more foreground, where the posts enter the earth, so that they are grounded and not truncated. I accept your decision to frame it that way, but the word that keeps entering my mind is "lazy". Sorry if that sounds very negative - it's not intended to be, just honest. Thanks everyone for the submissions and comments. > Bob Flint - Mixing Board > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568473 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the topic well, since the subject is not only man made itself, but is > used my man to make other things. My good man, that should be "used _by_ man". >> Bob Flint - Mixing Board >> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568473 >> I imagine that this image doesn't quite match what you had in mind, >> that it was difficult to achieve what you did. I think I needed a wider lens, like an 18 or something, or perhaps a larger board! >I like it and I think it >> fits >> the topic well, since the subject is not only man made itself, but is >> used my man to make other things. Thanks for the comment. >My good man, that should be "used _by_ man". Yes I figured that! >>> Bob Flint - Mixing Board >>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568473 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think I needed a wider lens, like an 18 or something, or perhaps > a larger board! :-) >>> I like it and I think it fits the topic well, since the subject is not >>> only man made itself, but is used my man to make other things. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Yes I figured that! Right! Of course! Yes, no pedantic nit-picking or virulent abuse for typos ever goes on here ... :-D (Not referring to you in any way, Bob.) > Paul Furman - Corral > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86575584 > When I look at this I want to see more foreground, where the posts enter the > earth, so that they are grounded and not truncated. I accept your decision > to frame it that way, but the word that keeps entering my mind is "lazy". > Sorry if that sounds very negative - it's not intended to be, just honest. I agree, it's better with more bottom. > Thanks everyone for the submissions and comments. Thank you! SignaturePaul Furman Photography http://edgehill.net Bay Natives Nursery http://www.baynatives.com > Bowser - Fast Food > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568471 > Nothing special as a photo but the text made me genuinely LOL. Great > lateral thinking, well done. :-) Of course, I would have opened the Big Mac box, but I didn't think of using my lunch as a subject until after I had scarfed down the better part of the burger. At least the fries, if you add tons of salt and bathe them in ketchup, have a little hint of flavor. > Walter Banks - Man Made Man: Stone Cairn > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568470 > I'm not sure what others are finding so interesting in this one. My eye is > drawn to the foreground shadow and doesn't want it be there. > For me, the unexpectedness is the material. When I thought > about "man made" I didn't think of natural rocks. Thanks for the comments. Your point is well taken. I took quite a few shots and submitted the one with this shadow to emphasis the lighting contrasts and try to give a sense of a little clearing (sight of the unseen) with a innukshuk basking in the sun. The reality is although there are trees around the area is quite open. The background blue is water not sky. w.. > Jim Kramer - Coffee Mughttp://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 > Superb. Beautiful, elegant, intriguing. I can't imagine how this image could > be improved. You, sir, shall be the cause of my ego inflating, and I'm not sure how to handle that with out making a bloody mess. :-) That depends on if you are left handed or right handed? I was wondering if handedness would be a decisive factor in appeal. I've always been ambidextrous, but I tend to drink with my left, blasted mouse is in the right. :-) Thanks for commenting. >> Jim Kramer - Coffee Mug >> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You, sir, shall be the cause of my ego inflating, and I'm not sure > how to handle that with out making a bloody mess. :-) "Ego is not a dirty word. Don't you believe what you seen or you heard. Ego!" (Skyhooks, 1975). > That depends on if you are left handed or right handed? I was > wondering if handedness would be a decisive factor in appeal. > I've always been ambidextrous, but I tend to drink with my left, > blasted mouse is in the right. :-) Interesting question. I AM left handed ... > Thanks for commenting. You're welcome. Mark T http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568468 I'm happy with the composition, but the overall tone? Clearly I am no black and white expert! Some posterisation visible in the sky, maybe a little more contrast.. Wilba http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 Wow! About the only thing I can imagine to make this better is for the doorhandle to be less blown (maybe a candidate for HDR?). A winner (with Alan Browne's shot). (Not that this is about competing, of course..) Walter B http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568470 Clever choice with nice double meaning. Shadow at bottom left draws my attention a bit, but otherwise nicely lit. Bowser http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568471 Come on.. who amongst us has the guts (pun intended) to admit they *like* Macca's? For what it is, I reckon they do a good job (here in Oz we have the "Aussie" - beetroot, egg and bacon - now *that* is quite a nice burger..). My major complaint with this image is that *placemat*. Oh .. my .. God. Jim Kramer http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 Nicely elegant, but the technical problems (noise and horizontal streaks) are a bit jarring. I would have smothed the bejeezus out of this (or done it at a low iso on a tripod - c'mon Jim, a bit more effort! (O;) Bob Flint http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568473 Nice effect. I like perspective, d-o-f choice and leading lines... But I would have cropped the top right clutter out. Paul Campbell http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568474 Great scene. I like this, but would have liked to see different cropping or a lower angle. The composition just misses for me, but I can't quite tell you why. Michelo http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86572696 I sorta like this - the flare is essential (to make it interesting) yet annoying... Would have preferred sharpness to top of tower - maybe that is just the way it was sharpened, hard to tell at that size. Paul Furman http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86575584 Another one of those shots that might be level, but it looks slightly tilted. The crop doesn't work for me largely because of that foreground fence - if included, it needs to be a feature rather than a distraction. Frank Ess http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86729241 And there I was thinking Frank was totally unconventional.. I think this shot would have been vastly improved by being crazy - eg a huge tilt, or getting much lower down and/or up close. If it was me and I was feeling sociable (!), I would have asked her if she minded, and then probably shot from down low over near the mermaids tail. Yes, I want to see tail! Alan Browne http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86766523 Oh, yeah... nice, very nice indeed. Great composition, exposure pretty much nailed, and a really atmospheric scene - the strip of sunlight is an example of a *perfect* distraction - imo it makes this shot! Another winner. > Wilba > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 > Wow! About the only thing I can imagine to make this better is for > the doorhandle to be less blown (maybe a candidate for HDR?). A > winner (with Alan Browne's shot). (Not that this is about competing, > of course..) Thanks very much. I wondered about the doorhandle and then thought, hey, it's a hunk of chrome in the sun - it should be bright and shiny! :-) Where do you live? (I'm in Albany, WA.) > mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > > Wilba [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks very much. I wondered about the doorhandle and then thought, hey, > it's a hunk of chrome in the sun - it should be bright and shiny! :-) That's not bright and shiny, that's bloody fluorescing like a reactor core about to blow!! (O: > Where do you live? (I'm in Albany, WA.) G'day, mate - I hate to admit being a banana - bender, but I live just S of Brisbane, and commute back to SA periodically, call me schizo... Born in Vic, lived most of my life in SA. Like your work, and your posts. >> mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > That's not bright and shiny, that's bloody fluorescing like a reactor > core about to blow!! (O: Good thing we don't have too many of them over here (Aus). >> Where do you live? (I'm in Albany, WA.) > > G'day, mate - I hate to admit being a banana - bender, but I live just > S of Brisbane, and commute back to SA periodically, call me schizo... > Born in Vic, lived most of my life in SA. Not an uncommon kinda story. Yeah, I'd keep quiet about the QLD thing. :-D > Like your work, and your posts. Thanks mate. I try to keep it just to that. >> Wilba >> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Where do you live? (I'm in Albany, WA.) Rather OT, but how do you and your neighbors pronounce it? All-bany, or Al (as in a guy's name)- bany? Signaturejohn mcwilliams >>> Wilba >>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > All-bany, or Al (as in a guy's name)- bany? Both the one in upstate New York, and the one south of Salem here in Oregon are pronounced like All-Bany. (To rhyme with Fall-penney) >>> Wilba >>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > All-bany, or Al (as in a guy's name)- bany? In WA it's pronounced "Al-bany". In NSW there is Albury ("All-bury"), so that's how we tell if someone is an ignorant eastern-stater - they pronounce Albany like Albury ("All-bany", as it is in the US?). >>>> Wilba >>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > that's how we tell if someone is an ignorant eastern-stater - they pronounce > Albany like Albury ("All-bany", as it is in the US?). The biggest Albany in the US is in NY, and is All-bany. Others vary, including California's Al-bany, although both pronounciations are used. The name with the widest divergence I know of is a street in Chicago, Il, named after the German poet philosopher lover, Goethe. SignatureJohn McWilliams >>>>> Wilba >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568469 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > The name with the widest divergence I know of is a street in Chicago, Il, > named after the German poet philosopher lover, Goethe. Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used....My favorite one is the one that rhymes with "goo".....The justification is, "Through, Gough" >Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... Is there one of those ways which is more common than the others? I've never set foot in the U.S., but without prior knowledge, I'd have guessed it was pronounced to rhyme with "cough". >>Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >>different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... > > Is there one of those ways which is more common than the others? I've > never set foot in the U.S., but without prior knowledge, I'd have > guessed it was pronounced to rhyme with "cough". Like cough. Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? :-) (doo BOZE) SignaturePaul Furman Photography http://edgehill.net Bay Natives Nursery http://www.baynatives.com >>> Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >>> different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > (doo BOZE) Gee, I live here, and pronounce it as in the game where you throw balls on dirt..... <s> Signaturejohn mcwilliams >>>> Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >>>> different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > <s> You mean "Jacks"? >>>>>Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >>>>>different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > You mean "Jacks"? Boce ball (BAH chee), I think he's pulling our leg though. or Noe Street... (like Van Goughee) Neyekon or Neekon? >>>>>>Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >>>>>>different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Boce ball (BAH chee), I think he's pulling our leg though. I was, but I forgot about Bocce ball.....I used to watch the old Italian guys play it down near Fisherman's Wharf back in the 60's....Brings back old memories...... >>>>>>> Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >>>>>>> different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > guys play it down near Fisherman's Wharf back in the 60's....Brings back old > memories...... They're still there! In the corner near the Ship-shaped museum.... And yes, I was joking about calling DuBoce, "doo-bocci".... What a place! SignatureJohn McWilliams > Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? > > :-) > > (doo BOZE) More like doo-botch but with a very soft 't'. >> Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > More like doo-botch but with a very soft 't'. Thanks, I figured it's French and we'd be saying it wrong. >>> Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks, I figured it's French and we'd be saying it wrong. Er, ah, don't look to Canada for correct pronunciation of bloody French! Signaturejohn mcwilliams >>>> Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Er, ah, don't look to Canada for correct pronunciation of bloody French! Lord only knows how they pronounce botschtkkk :-) bosque? >>> Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks, I figured it's French and we'd be saying it wrong. I think it's French, so the pronunciation would be close to what I put above; Italians would lean more to the "BOZE" sound or "doo-Bodje" ... then there are the regional pronunciations ... Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >>>> Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I think it's French, so the pronunciation would be close to what I put > above; Italians would lean more to the "BOZE" sound or "doo-Bodje" Not in France. Canada, perhaps, as noted above. > ... then there are the regional pronunciations ... /bien sur/! As in Canada, les Pays Bas, etc. New question: When does local pronunciation of a geographical feature or man made ones such as streets and building become "right"? Extra points: Same for family names of foreign origin. Bonus bonus: Guess how the inhabitants of Marseilles, IL pronounce their town's name; same for Paris, Maine, and LaJolla, CAL. == john mcwilliams >>>>> Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? >>>>> :-) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > When does local pronunciation of a geographical feature or man made ones > such as streets and building become "right"? When the original namers die or become a scant minority. > Extra points: Same for family names of foreign origin. > > Bonus bonus: Guess how the inhabitants of Marseilles, IL pronounce their > town's name; same for Paris, Maine, and LaJolla, CAL. Not Pare-ee I'll bet La-Hoya >>>>>> Care to try pronouncing Duboce Street? >>>>>> :-) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Not Pare-ee I'll bet > La-Hoya I briefly lived in Calais, ME and the locals find it hilarious when someone pronounces it like the one in France. They say it like "cal-us." SignatureCease then to grieve for your private afflictions, and address yourselves instead to the safety of the republic > When does local pronunciation of a geographical feature or man made ones > such as streets and building become "right"? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > == > john mcwilliams It's prounnced right when the inhabitants say it's right. ie: YOU-stin, Texas or HOW-stin st, NY. or par-EE,or main, or luh- HOI-uh. I think. Bob Hickey >> When does local pronunciation of a geographical feature or man made ones >> such as streets and building become "right"? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Texas or HOW-stin st, NY. or par-EE,or main, or luh- HOI-uh. I > think. Bob Hickey The correct answer as to Paris, Maine is "pear-iss". Signaturejohn mcwilliams >>> When does local pronunciation of a geographical feature or man made ones >>> such as streets and building become "right"? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> I >> think. Bob Hickey I disagree with this....There is a county in Northern California named, "Del Norte" - I believe this means "of the North" in Spanish. It is pronounced "del-nor-tay" in Spanish......But the idiots who live there pronounce it "del-nort" (to rhyme with snort) This is an atrocious mispronunciation of a beautiful name in what is perhaps the most beautiful language spoken anywhere today. It makes me cringe whenever I hear it. - I wonder why the residents do it, and I am glad that I do not live there just because of it. >>>> When does local pronunciation of a geographical feature or man made ones >>>> such as streets and building become "right"? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >anywhere today. It makes me cringe whenever I hear it. - I wonder why the >residents do it, and I am glad that I do not live there just because of it. I recall years ago when the great Charles Kuralt was doing his _On the Road_ series. He was talking on the subject of regional pronunciation of places. As they drove into a small burg and read the town name on a sign, Kuralt mentioned that there is no way this town is pronounced the way it is written. The crew stopped at a restaurant and after ordering he asked the waitress to s l o w l y say for him the name of this place... she gave him a strange look and slowly uttered..... ...... D a i r y Q u e e n RP© "That_Rich" <rich@wrongaddress.net> wrote in message The crew stopped at a restaurant and after > ordering he asked the waitress to s l o w l y say for him > the name of this place... she gave him a strange look and slowly [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > RP© LOL! - If I lived in Del Norte county, I would rather pronounce it "Dairy Queen" than the way the residents pronounce it......... > New question: > > When does local pronunciation of a geographical feature or man made ones > such as streets and building become "right"? When you're in that local area. It's your street, you can call it what you want and pronounce it any way you want. >> New question: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > When you're in that local area. It's your street, you can call it what you > want and pronounce it any way you want. Right. That's why I pronounce, "Del Norte County" in Northern California, "Dairy Queen County"...... >>Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >>different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... > > Is there one of those ways which is more common than the others? I've > never set foot in the U.S., but without prior knowledge, I'd have > guessed it was pronounced to rhyme with "cough". That's one of the ways, yes.....I think the most common way is the one that rhymes with plough. >>> Gough Street in san Francisco is a good one too....There are about 5 >>> different ways to pronounce it, and I have heard all of them used.... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That's one of the ways, yes.....I think the most common way is the one that > rhymes with plough. It's Guff for me. Signaturejohn mcwilliams > Alan Browne > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86766523 > Oh, yeah... nice, very nice indeed. Great composition, exposure > pretty much nailed, and a really atmospheric scene - the strip of > sunlight is an example of a *perfect* distraction - imo it makes this > shot! Another winner. Thanks Mark, A little cheating here as the shot was taken in July rather than as part of the mandate. Not much time for shooting these days. For distraction sake I did crop out a barrier. (I should have moved it for the shot...) See: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6297353&size=lg for full original. Taken at the Shaker village in west MA. Cheers, Alan. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. On Oct 8, 8:44 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > > Alan Browne [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > A little cheating here.. I suspect there's a lot more archiving than is admitted! But that's ok, I'm planning to use a very old (and previously posted) image for the next one, so I can blame you for corrupting me.. Seriously, I'd have that image as a poster (or I would if I had a room with that sorta theme - sadly I don't..) > See:http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6297353&size=lg > for full original. Hmm, maybe I *will* make it into a poster.... (O; OK, so it's not full-size, but I'm sure I have a copy of a super-secret enlarging algorithm nearby.... Yes, that barrier had to go.. >> See:http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6297353&size=lg >> for full original. > Hmm, maybe I *will* make it into a poster.... (O; OK, so it's not > full-size, but I'm sure I have a copy of a super-secret enlarging > algorithm nearby.... I'll e-mail you a link to the full sized scan. Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. On Oct 9, 4:11 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > >> See:http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6297353&size=lg [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- [SI] gallery & rulz:http://www.pbase.com/shootin > -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. Thanks Alan, you are a scholar and gentleman (even if I don't always agree with you.. (O:) I hereby promise not to make a fortune re- selling posters.. (O: By the way, not withstanding that my images are often not that good..!, but I too am happy to email full-res images if anyone asks nicely (even Doug). > Walter B > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568470 > Clever choice with nice double meaning. Shadow at bottom left draws > my attention a bit, but otherwise nicely lit. Thanks for the comments. When I was shooting the "man made man" pun was running though my mind. As much as I worked to get the shadow and it seemed to work on a full screen monitor it is a distraction. Thanks for taking the time to comment. w.. On Oct 6, 7:04 pm, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > Jim Kramerhttp://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/86568472 > Nicely elegant, but the technical problems (noise and horizontal > streaks) are a bit jarring. I would have smothed the bejeezus out of > this (or done it at a low iso on a tripod - c'mon Jim, a bit more > effort! (O;) Oh your are harsh :-) I have one question: Are you left or right handed? :-) > On Oct 6, 7:04 pm, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Oh your are harsh :-) I have one question: Are you left or right > handed? :-) Ahah.. I see where you are going with this (I choose to take the high road..) I'm a righty (but have a brother who is a lefty, just out of interest). Which is very likely why I *instinctively* reacted against the image and began noticing insignificant IQ issues. Got me - as many have said, it's all about the *image*, not minor technical issues... (O: On Oct 9, 4:41 am, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Oct 6, 7:04 pm, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > (O: I actually agree with the rest of your assessment. But the dichotomy of responses is interesting from a psychological stand point. :-) I still like to know "Why" when I can. Ummm... what does your brother think of the image? :-) > On Oct 9, 4:41 am, mark.thoma...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Ummm... what does your brother think of the image? :-) Well, we don't see each other all that often and he isn't really an internet/email type of guy, but when i see him next (he lives about 2400km away..) I'll ask... But personally I think that whole left/right argument is just a storm in a ... |
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