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Which diopter for my Nikon?

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gallant - 29 Aug 2007 05:51 GMT
Hello,

I hope you can help me out. I'm nearsighted, wear eyeglasses, -1.75
prescription. Which strength diopter do I need to buy for my Nikon FM
camera?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Savageduck - 29 Aug 2007 08:04 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Thanks in advance for your help.

There are a number of issues here:
A -1.75 dp correction should be available. What you should be aware of
is, this will give you your corrected vision of the World through the
VF. However when you move your eye from the VF you will be reduced to
your near sighted Mr. Magoo view without your glasses. If you wear
contacts ( for average miopia a good way to go) you will not need a VF
corrective lens and be able to adjust with the dioper adjustment found
all Nikon DSLRs.
Do you have the same correction for both eyes?
If not you might have to get the appropriate lens for your shooting eye.

Do you have any astigmatic correction?
If you do, as I do in a severe way, you are better off just working
with your glasses on as the sphero-cylindrical or toroidal lens has to
be aligned on the correct axis to provide the proper correction. This
is difficult to achieve with an add-on lens or contacts and is best
fixed with good old glasses.

-1.75 dp is not a massive correction and if you are able to accomodate
(focus) without your glasses you might be able to make do without a
diopter corrective lens.
Otherwise I would try a 4 step range from -1.0 to -2.0 and see what
works best for you.

Then If you want to make the truly radical fix, there is laser surgical
correction, which works pretty well for miopia.

Good luck,
Savageduck
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gallant - 29 Aug 2007 09:08 GMT
> > Hello,
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Hey, thanks a lot for your informative reply. I really appreciate it!

With glasses, it's not that big of a deal to work with the camera but
I just thought it'd be cool to look throught the VF with my naked eye.
I'm still learning photography with my 35mm Nikon. I guess I can also
use the split image rangefinder spot for focusing, even without my
glasses. ;)

Thanks again!
Nicholas O. Lindan - 29 Aug 2007 11:25 GMT
> I'm nearsighted, wear eyeglasses ... -1.75 ...
> Which strength diopter do I need to buy for my for my Nikon FM

The obvious simplistic answer is a -1.5 or -2.0.

However ...

Nikon's are set to make the screen appear as if it is 1 meter
away with no correction lens - in a sense they are already set
at -1.0 diopter.

To confuse things a Nikon +1 diopter is marked as '0'
correction because the total correction of the system is now
0 diopters at infinity focus.  You won't find a '-1' diopter
lens - if that is what you want it is called a 'replacement
eyepiece' and is a flat piece of glass.

To view the screen without glasses the optimum
is the correction you need for 1 meter vision and this is probably
less correction than your normal eyeglasses.  Your eyeglass prescription
is for ~5 meters to infinity - about the distance from the
chair to the chart at the optometrist.

So you may be happier with a -1.0.  A -1.0 is, naturally,
marked '-2'.

To help settle or further confuse the issue you might
want to give your optometrist a call and see what he advises.

There is a flip side to all this: wearing glasses you are now
far-sighted and are most comfortable viewing at infinity.

So with glasses you may find a +1 diopter (marked '0') works
best - this moves the screen from 1 meter apparent distance
to infinity.

I made the switch to a '0' diopter lens about the time I
started having to use another set of eyeglasses for reading
and computer work.  Focusing at 1 meter with infinity correction
in the eyeglasses was a strain - having the screen at infinity
was far more comfortable.  I find this holds with bifocals as
the greatest and best corrected area of the lenses is the upper
half that is set for infinity.

The less focusing strain on the eye the better one can focus -
so there is more than just a comfort issue.

I would advise evaluating the correction lens late in the day.  In the
morning my eye accommodation is not so bad; late in the evening
it is terrible.  Go for the one that is the most comfortable and
relaxed for the eye, this may not be the one that gives the illusion
it is the 'sharpest'.

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Nicholas O. Lindan - 29 Aug 2007 11:54 GMT
> "gallant" <dskgallant@yahoo.com> wrote
> > I'm nearsighted, wear eyeglasses ... -1.75 ...
> > Which strength diopter do I need to buy for my for my Nikon FM
> [much blather, deleted]

There is a simple answer:

Without your glasses find your most comfortable viewing distance.
If the range is broad then try for 1/2 way from things coming into
focus to things being too near.

Take the inverse of the distance in meters - this is the eyepiece
lens you need.

Since there are only a few choices an alternative is to, without
glasses, view something 1/3 meter (33cm / 13 inches),
1/2 meter (50cm / 1 foot 8 inches) and 1 meter (3 feet 3 inches)
away.  Pick the least worst:

1   meter        Do nothing
1/2              -2
1/3              -3

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gallant - 04 Sep 2007 00:07 GMT
> There is a simple answer:
>
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>  1/2              -2
>  1/3              -3

I have a followup if you don't mind.... I understand what you're
saying but when I'm testing, as per the above, at home, what object(s)
should I be looking at from 1m, 1/2m and 1/3m away? Thanks again.
Ken Hart - 29 Aug 2007 16:38 GMT
snip lots of good stuff...

> I would advise evaluating the correction lens late in the day.  In the
> morning my eye accommodation is not so bad; late in the evening
> it is terrible.  Go for the one that is the most comfortable and
> relaxed for the eye, this may not be the one that gives the illusion
> it is the 'sharpest'.

Very informative, thank you!

But I am curious about your last sentence: "comfortable and relaxed.... may
not be ...the 'sharpest'." I would think that for the most critical
focusing, you would want the corrective lens that makes the image 'snap'. On
my studio cameras, I use my reading glasses to focus/compose on the ground
glass, then I pop up the magnifier to get critical focus (without the
reading glasses). The magnifier, while not a comfortable viewer lens, gives
a sharper image.

I completely agree with the "late in the day" part. My local newspaper is an
afternoon one, and by the time it arrives, reading it gives me a headache.
Of course that may be their editorial slant and not my eyes!
Nicholas O. Lindan - 29 Aug 2007 19:57 GMT
> But I am curious about your last sentence: "comfortable and relaxed....
> may not be ...the 'sharpest'." I would think that for the most critical
> focusing, you would want the corrective lens that makes the image 'snap'.

The highest resolution I can have of an object is at the nearest point
of my eye's accommodation.  However, the associated eyestrain soon mitigates
any advantage as I can't hold this position for long.

My optometrist cranks the correction up until I say "That's the sharpest"
and then he turns the correction back an ooch.  At first I think that this
is less sharp but looking at the eye chart I can read last line just as
well and it feels relaxed and natural.

> be ...the 'sharpest'."

You ellipsed out the most important part of the sentence:

> be >>> the one that gives the _illusion_ it is <<< the 'sharpest'

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Jim - 29 Aug 2007 21:13 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Thanks in advance for your help.

Go to the photo shop and try some out.  There isn't a -1.75 diopter lens.
You will need to decide which one works best for you.
You might get by with no help.
Jim
gallant - 29 Aug 2007 23:18 GMT
Man, thanks a lot guys!! I'm printing out all the great information!
Thanks again to all who replied!!
Jim - 30 Aug 2007 00:48 GMT
> Man, thanks a lot guys!! I'm printing out all the great information!
> Thanks again to all who replied!!

FYI, if the built in eyepiece is -1 diopter, then what you would need is
a -.75 diopter.  I'll bet that a -0.5 diopter would work fine.

Jim
xenarshooter - 03 Sep 2007 05:41 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Thanks in advance for your help.

I have had the same dilema and still do. It would cost about $80 to get a
correction lens made for my Pentax K2 and fit into an eyecup frame but
it could be done.

You have to know the diopter for the viewfinder, my K2's is -0.80 or so,
my perscription for my right eye is -1.25... so I need a lens of -0.45 diopter.

And you simply subtract one from the other, 1.75 minus 0.90 (viewfinder)
= -0.85 for you ... that is if* -0.90 is the diopter of your viewfinder, you
should be able to find that in the owner's manual or http://www.nikon.co.jp/ 
in the history section or http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ for the manual in
pdf, if he has it there.

After further checking ... it looks like the FM's viewfinder is -0.86 diopter
so 1.75 - 0.86 = -0.89 ... a -1.00 would probably work unless you can find
a -0.90.  maybe find a focusing screen with a little bit larger of a circular
microprism.  Which is what I've come to rely on... and now starting to try
rangefinders!

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