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Canon Rebel XS sticky shutter?

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chriscookies@gmail.com - 03 Aug 2007 20:02 GMT
I recently bought a used Canon Rebel XS on eBay.  On the first roll of
film I shot only the first 3 frames had anything on the negative.  The
rest of the negatives were completely blank.  The manager at Ritz
camera took off the lens and set the camera to a very slow shutter
speed to see if the shutter was opening and closing.  He said it
looked to be working fine.  He also put in a used roll of film to test
if the camera was advancing the film.  It appeared to advance the film
just fine.  He recommended I take another test roll.  This time frames
3-6 on the negatives were completely blank.  The rest of the frames
were just fine.  Does this mean that the shutter *sometimes* remains
closed?  Any suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks.
p.s. I now have four 35mm film cameras with problems.  Don't make me
go completely digital.
-=Chris in Milwaukee=-
Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Aug 2007 21:14 GMT
> I recently bought a used Canon Rebel XS on eBay.  On the first roll of
> film I shot only the first 3 frames had anything on the negative...
> ...I take another test roll...  This time frames
> 3-6 on the negatives were completely blank.  The rest of the frames
> were just fine.  Does this mean that the shutter *sometimes* remains
> closed?

I take you have put in brand new alkaline batteries.  Don't use NiCad,
NiMH or Lion batteries until you are sure the camera is working OK as
rechargeable batteries are far less reliable than any camera.  Battery
contacts should be bright and shiny; polish them with a new pencil
eraser if needed.  Any white powder or gunk in the battery compartment
should be cause for concern.

If the camera sat unused for a few years, not unlikely with an ebay
purchase, it is possible the oil and grease have gotten a bit -sticky-.

My experience is that running such a camera through a lot of cycles can
often make things work again.  I would take an old roll of film and run it
back and forth through the camera a half-dozen times, then try again.  If
the next few rolls go through fine with all the exposures properly made
then I would lay the matter to rest.

Sometimes, though, the camera has to be taken apart and cleaned and
re-lubed.
With old mechanical cameras there is the [somewhat controversial] 'Ed
Romney'
fix: a good rinse of the innards with a couple of cans of lighter fluid and
the application of a few drops of oil can often get an old camera running
again.
This is a fun approach: pick up a old gummed up classic, get it working, and
go out and be retro. I recommend 10W-30 engine oil for lubing cameras - it
doesn't gum up.  Don't use 3-in-1, WD-40, LPS-25, Singer Sewing Machine Oil,
'household oil', etc.: they all turn to goo in a few months.

With an electronic plastic-fantastic like a Rebel I am not sure a 'flush &
oil'
would be a good idea: chances are old goo would just get flushed into the
electrical contacts and/or there is some plastic in the camera that
dissolves
in lighter fluid.  Plastic cameras often run without lubricant and count on
the characteristics of the plastics used - this is not a high reliability
solution as all plastics will eventually 'gall' with constant rubbing and
the
whole thing will stop working for all eternity.

> p.s. I now have four 35mm film cameras with problems.  Don't make me
> go completely digital.

May I suggest that when buying a used camera to always buy one with a proven
reputation for reliability.  A camera that has been shown to work for 50
years
with minimal problems will probably go for another fifty years if a
'like-new'
sample is purchased: A Leica M3/M4 or Nikon F/F2 will outlast any of
us.  Good, slightly more modern, choices would be the Nikon F3, F4, F5, F6,
FM2 and Leica M5.  I am not familiar with the EOS Canons, the old F1 should
last forever but parts and service may be a problem.  Really nice Nikon F3's
often go for $250 or less.

Whatever you get, be sure to buy the best camera, in the best condition,
you can find & afford. Don't buy a beat-to-hell-and-back Nikon F3 for $40
and
expect it to work: it won't.  Ditto a 60's vintage Miranda, Praktica, Kowa,
etc.:
an awful lot of heavy metal cameras have been made that were less reliable
than any modern light weight plastic marvel.

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Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

chriscookies@gmail.com - 03 Aug 2007 22:33 GMT
Thanks Nicholas for all the useful information.  I'll check the
batteries and contacts.  I'll also run some more film through it.  If
that doesn't clear up the problem I'll do what you and Draco
ultimately recommend - spend a little more money and buy a film SLR in
known good working order.  For the money I've spent on beat up used
cameras, I could have bought something reliable.  Maybe I'll find a
way to turn my camera graveyard into a design element in my
house.  :P
-=Chris=-
Draco - 03 Aug 2007 21:19 GMT
On Aug 3, 3:02 pm, chriscook...@gmail.com wrote:
> I recently bought a used Canon Rebel XS on eBay.  On the first roll of
> film I shot only the first 3 frames had anything on the negative.  The
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> go completely digital.
> -=Chris in Milwaukee=-

Hi Chris,
 An intermittent problem like the shutter is a sign the camera had
been used hard or abused. Does the seller have a return policy? Since
I don't know what you paid for the camera but, the normal repair fee
is around $158.00 USA and can take between three to six weeks.
Depending on parts.
 Sorry you got took on this. But, that is the way of any auction
where you don't get to see the item before you buy.

 Good luck and don't give up on film, yet.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.

Doing better does.
William Graham - 04 Aug 2007 01:19 GMT
> On Aug 3, 3:02 pm, chriscook...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I recently bought a used Canon Rebel XS on eBay.  On the first roll of
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>  Sorry you got took on this. But, that is the way of any auction
> where you don't get to see the item before you buy.

But, in this case, "seeing the camera before he bought it" wouldn't have
helped......The problem might go away with time and usage, but on the other
hand, it might be an intermittant electronic problem, and possible even get
worse. And, the problem is, it will fail when asked to take the most
important picture of the century....(If his luck is anything like mine)

>  Good luck and don't give up on film, yet.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Doing better does.
William Graham - 04 Aug 2007 01:12 GMT
Does this mean that the shutter *sometimes* remains
> closed?

It would seem so.....
Steve - 04 Aug 2007 04:12 GMT
On Aug 3, 12:02?pm, chriscook...@gmail.com wrote:
> I recently bought a used Canon Rebel XS on eBay.  On the first roll of
> film I shot only the first 3 frames had anything on the negative.  The
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> go completely digital.
> -=Chris in Milwaukee=-
Hi Chris,

I am a camera repairman and own an authorized Canon repair facility.
I am familiar with the problem you have described with your Rebel XS.
The intermittent blank or partial frames on your film is caused by a
deteriorated shutter stopper pad inside the shutter mechanism.  This
can be repaired.  If interested, please contact me at Steven40@aol.com
or at my shop, Camera Clinic, 775-829-2244.

Steve
Nicholas O. Lindan - 04 Aug 2007 15:31 GMT
> On Aug 3, 12:02?pm, chriscook...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I recently bought a used Canon Rebel XS on eBay.  On the first roll of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> The intermittent blank or partial frames on your film is caused by a
> deteriorated shutter stopper pad inside the shutter mechanism.

Ah yes, I remember this popping up before -- foam in the shutter mechanism
turns to black goo and sticks to the shutter blades (and I imagine a whole
lot else).  It was common to more models than just the Rebel, IIRC.

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Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.darkroomautomation.com/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

 
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