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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / August 2007Are the Amish backward?
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6249647&size=lg I guess so... Cheers, Alan PS: My SO and I enjoyed a day at an auction conducted by the Amish and Mennonites near Intercourse, PA. Wonderful...  Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. On Jul 29, 10:08 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6249647&size=lg > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- [SI] gallery & rulz:http://www.pbase.com/shootin > -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. They do not like their photo taken. They believe the camera could capture their spirit or something to that nature. There are a lot of Amish in Elmira Ontario and they still travel around in horse and buggys. > On Jul 29, 10:08 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> PS: My SO and I enjoyed a day at an auction conducted by the Amish and >> Mennonites near Intercourse, PA. Wonderful... > They do not like their photo taken. They believe the camera could > capture their spirit or something to that nature. There are a lot of > Amish in Elmira Ontario and they still travel around in horse and > buggys. The reason they don't like their photo taken is the prohibition against graven images (as in "we are made in H-s image"), not notions of their souls being taken (as with some Indians in some regions worldwide). Indian says: You can't take my picture. Tourist says: Why? 'Cause it will steal your soul? Indian says: No. 'Cause your lenscap is on. In taking the shots of the Amish I was somewhat careful to either take long range shots (like the auctioneers) or shots that did not show faces in detail: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6249631&size=lg They are good looking people ... at least until the men grow their beards and the ladies get quite plump after throwing a few whelps... As to horse/buggy there are gazillions of them in this area. They also like (motorless) scooters and in-line skates... We were lucky to stumble on to the auction / fair (which was to raise money for Haïti). Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. On Jul 29, 10:52 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > helensilverb...@hotmail.com wrote: > > On Jul 29, 10:08 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > -- [SI] gallery & rulz:http://www.pbase.com/shootin > -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. As a matter of fact Allan I took a tour through the Amish community and the tour guide was the one that gave the "notion" of the camera taking their soul away. She said nothing about graven images. Now she came from a long line of Amish. I went on this trip with a friend of mine. Just for the hell of it, I called her up and asked her to remember what the tour guide said. The guide did indeed say that, but I mentioned "spirit" the guide said "soul". Helen > On Jul 29, 10:52 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> >> As to horse/buggy there are gazillions of them in this area. They also >> like (motorless) scooters and in-line skates... >> >> We were lucky to stumble on to the auction / fair (which was to raise >> money for Haïti). Now, there the locals feel the camera can steal their souls. But they can get it back with VooDoo. > As a matter of fact Allan I took a tour through the Amish community > and the tour guide was the one that gave the "notion" of the camera [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > remember what the tour guide said. The guide did indeed say that, but > I mentioned "spirit" the guide said "soul". Well, not all Amish are well educated or intelligent, although most are. Signaturejohn mcwilliams > helensilverb...@hotmail.com wrote: > > On Jul 29, 10:52 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > john mcwilliams The Amish I had the pleasure to visit were very strict. They didn't have electricity and did not believe in receiving government cheques, such as welfare, etc. Their children were all dressed in black as they were. To sum it up, they live as the pioneers did, but their religious beliefs are very strict. Very interesting. Helen <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message and did not believe in receiving government cheques, such as welfare, etc. See? - There is some good in everybody! > As a matter of fact Allan I took a tour through the Amish community > and the tour guide was the one that gave the "notion" of the camera [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > remember what the tour guide said. The guide did indeed say that, but > I mentioned "spirit" the guide said "soul". If you read the discussion of the subject on this web page, it is not as clear as that: http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishand%20photos.htm > helensilverb...@hotmail.com wrote: > > As a matter of fact Allan I took a tour through the Amish community [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishand%20photos.htm Very interesting. There are so many contradictions. And so many stories. Thanks for the website. Helen > As a matter of fact Allan I took a tour through the Amish community > and the tour guide was the one that gave the "notion" of the camera [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > remember what the tour guide said. The guide did indeed say that, but > I mentioned "spirit" the guide said "soul". The tour guide was wrong. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/04/03/353/15603 " ... The man and his wife are Old Order Amish. They believe the Bible's prohibition of graven images applies to photographs, ... " http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1458921 "" [2] ... Some religions prohibit photography of people since it is stated that "You should not make images of God." and "Man was created in God's image." "" http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=18320 "" The Mennonites — a plain-living sect whose members are similar to the Amish, but usually more worldly — say the 2004 law conflicts with the biblical prohibition against the making of “graven images.” "" http://www.lovelacemanor.com/amish/ "Believing that photographs in which they can be recognized violate the Biblical prohibition against "graven images," most Amish consider posing for photographs to be an unacceptable act of pride. " Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. On Jul 29, 12:14 pm, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > helensilverb...@hotmail.com wrote: > > As a matter of fact Allan I took a tour through the Amish community [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > -- [SI] gallery & rulz:http://www.pbase.com/shootin > -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. "The tour guide was wrong." Which leads me to believe if she really was from Amish descent. Makes me wonder if she was just hired to tell people anything. Other than that, it was a great trip and it was a pleasure to meet such humble people. Helen "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in > > As to horse/buggy there are gazillions of them in this area. They also > like (motorless) scooters and in-line skates... In Western Kentucky, (where my daughter used to live) they had to put tail lights on their horse drawn buggies so the motorcars wouldn't run them down after dark....... > "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in > >> As to horse/buggy there are gazillions of them in this area. They also [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lights on their horse drawn buggies so the motorcars wouldn't run them down > after dark....... Old news. I looked in one of these buggies. Very plush seating, luxury wood paneling, signal lights, headlights, brake lights... Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > Indian says: You can't take my picture. >Tourist says: Why? 'Cause it will steal your soul? > Indian says: No. 'Cause your lenscap is on. You might as well have kept yours on. IMHO! On Jul 29, 10:08 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6249647&size=lg I've never been to an Amish auction, but I am curious as to how much they usually go for? > On Jul 29, 10:08 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> > wrote: >> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6249647&size=lg > > I've never been to an Amish auction, but I am curious as to how much > they usually go for? Unsurprisingly, the Amish seem quite well to do... furniture items were being bid in the middle 4 digits and the Amish were the bidders... even some folk art (a bit on the kitsch side) was being fought out in the 2000+ range... handmade quilts were a great bargain ... but a few went over $1000... Why well to do? Well they're farmers, they have large productive farms and they're growing a lot of corn ... ("the" crop of the 2007 ethanol season). In a classic case of cultural tension an Arab bidder was disappointed that he couldn't collect a few virgin brides ... the Amish just didn't know what to do with the offered camels... Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > Unsurprisingly, the Amish seem quite well to do... furniture items were > being bid in the middle 4 digits and the Amish were the bidders... even [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and they're growing a lot of corn ... ("the" crop of the 2007 ethanol > season). They don't spend their savings on cars & wide screen TVs. SignaturePaul Furman Photography http://edgehill.net Bay Natives Nursery http://www.baynatives.com >> Unsurprisingly, the Amish seem quite well to do... furniture items >> were being bid in the middle 4 digits and the Amish were the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > They don't spend their savings on cars & wide screen TVs. I suspect they use most of the their cash to buy more land as their population is growing... Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. > > Why well to do? Well they're farmers, they have large productive farms > > and they're growing a lot of corn ... ("the" crop of the 2007 ethanol > > season). > > They don't spend their savings on cars & wide screen TVs. or interest. At least the ones in Elmira don't My office is is about 10 miles from Elmira Ontario, it is common to see buggies go by. w.. >Unsurprisingly, the Amish seem quite well to do... A while ago I heard an NPR piece that was talking about Amish farms. It pointed out that their "backward" farming methods turned out to be extremely profitable because of the minimal capital investment required, a high quality product, and inexpensive labor. Not only do they not accept government checks, but they also do not pay taxes, IIRC. Cheers, DuncanC >>Unsurprisingly, the Amish seem quite well to do... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > they not accept government checks, but they also do not pay taxes, > IIRC. Most small farmers get more money from the government than they give anyway, so the Amish farmers probably end up about even...... >>> Unsurprisingly, the Amish seem quite well to do... >> A while ago I heard an NPR piece that was talking about Amish farms. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Most small farmers get more money from the government than they give anyway, > so the Amish farmers probably end up about even...... Amish farms are not small. They are heaping big operations that smack of efficiency, good judgement and hard work. Profitable as hell if the bidding I saw at the auction was any indication. With high corn prices (can anyone say "Ethanol") the Amish fields were planted high in it. Most farms in the US get subsidies. Most BIG farmers in the US get embarassing amounts of federal "aid". ""A Post investigation found that the government gave $1.3 billion between 2000 and 2006 to landowners who did not farm at all. "" -WP - Jul 24 2007 ""Among them is a provision that would disqualify a farmer with an annual adjusted gross income of $1 million -- yes, $1 million -- from receiving subsidies. That's a pathetic five times the $200,000 cap President Bush proposed earlier this year. "" ""Under the proposed bill, $80 billion over the next 10 years would go to price guarantees, income supports, disaster payments and other benefits for farmers."" --WP 14 July 2007 ""His proposal would continue about $5 billion a year in annual allowances for growers of the main staple crops. Each allowance is based on the value of the crop that a farm traditionally has planted, regardless of whether anything is planted in a particular year."" --WP 14 July 2007 ""Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.), a senior member of the Agriculture Committee, complained that the bill would provide $465 million in new money over five years to support fruit and vegetable growers. "That's not even a crumb," he told reporters, adding that unless improvements are made the bill will face a battle on the House floor."" -- WP 14 July 2007 'oooooo those Demon-crats!" ""The debate over subsidies is coming in the midst of nearly unprecedented prosperity in U.S. farming. Farm income and the value of farmland and farm assets have been rising, spurred by strong exports and a boom in the demand for corn, which is used to make ethanol."" --WP 14 July 2007 And yes, agriculture remains the largest single economic activity in the US. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. On Jul 29, 10:08 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6249647&size=lg > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- [SI] gallery & rulz:http://www.pbase.com/shootin > -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. Yes, until recently they were called "hsima eht". |
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