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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / June 2007Variable Density is better that Variable Area
Hi: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22film+base%22+quality+audio+optical+track +variable-density&btnG=Search Variable-Density is far better than variable-area. WTF did they even develop variable-are?. VA stinks. VD is the best type of analog optical film audio. Hail to VD. Death to VA. Also, let's make a ban on producing any magnetic film audio. Only optical film audio. Hail to optical tracks. Death to magnetic tracks. Regards, Radium > Variable-Density is far better than variable-area. WTF did they even > develop variable-are?. VA stinks. VD is the best type of analog > optical film audio. But is it as good as "Creative FM synth 220" that's the real question? :-) :-) :-) MrT. > > Variable-Density is far better than variable-area. WTF did they even > > develop variable-are?. VA stinks. VD is the best type of analog > > optical film audio. > > But is it as good as "Creative FM synth 220" that's the real question? "Creative Music Synth" is a MIDI synth. It has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Yes CMS is my favorite synth but that irrelevant. I am not talking about MIDI audio. Just regular audio. Please stay on topic. > > > Variable-Density is far better than variable-area. WTF did they even > > > develop variable-are?. VA stinks. VD is the best type of analog [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I am not talking about MIDI audio. Just regular audio. Please stay on > topic. Yes we already know you are as humour impaired as you are technically illiterate, but I thought three smileys might have given you a clue. I guess not. MrT. > Hail to optical tracks. Death to magnetic tracks. Some films, like the Scopitones only exist with magnetic soundtracks. They never made opticals. Variable Density is good, but try to get a lab to print one nowadays. VD is like FM radio. VA is like AM radio. > Variable Density is good, but try to get a lab to print one nowadays. > > VD is like FM radio. > > VA is like AM radio. Isn't VD inherently noisier because you're working right in the medium densities that show film grain? In VA the black occludes grain and clear doesn't have it but graininess would affect the edges of the tracks so I don't know but it would seem like it would be better. >> Variable Density is good, but try to get a lab to print one nowadays. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > doesn't have it but graininess would affect the edges of the tracks so I > don't know but it would seem like it would be better. One theory is that an occlusion (as from a spot of dust) is less of the complete information across a slice of variable-density than the equivalent on a slice of variable-area. OTOH, variable- area are immune from dust on the dark portion, so more likely a tossup. I believe the picture (on the same film stock) requires much more resolution than the audio is capable of. On May 31, 11:09 am, Steve Kraus <scr...@SPAMBLOCKfilmteknik.com> wrote: > > Variable Density is good, but try to get a lab to print one nowadays. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > doesn't have it but graininess would affect the edges of the tracks so I > don't know but it would seem like it would be better. The noise in VD is a mouth-watering, delicious, paradisiacal crackling [due to tiny black spots on the film] similar the baking of garlic bread in a clay oven full of hot bituminous coals. The noise in VA is a hellish stink of stinky, thick, foamy, tickly, itchy, hissy, terrifying, disgusting, and annoying fart of a human who eats stale, fat-free cheddar cheese, sticky milk chocolate, rotten lentils, and decaying cauliflower. [...] > The noise in VD is a mouth-watering, delicious, paradisiacal crackling > [due to tiny black spots on the film] similar the baking of garlic [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > eats stale, fat-free cheddar cheese, sticky milk chocolate, rotten > lentils, and decaying cauliflower. Can you say synesthesia? GO AWAY....  SignatureMartin Harrington www.lendanear-sound.com 0414 913 247 > On May 31, 11:09 am, Steve Kraus <scr...@SPAMBLOCKfilmteknik.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > eats stale, fat-free cheddar cheese, sticky milk chocolate, rotten > lentils, and decaying cauliflower. > Hail to VD. Death to VA. Yeah, I hope you get VD, too. Have a nice day :-) J. Theakston > Variable-Density is far better than variable-area. WTF did they even > develop variable-are?. VA stinks. VD is the best type of analog [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Hail to optical tracks. Death to magnetic tracks. Except to seeing 2001 in 70mm and six track mag sound with added dolby noise reduction (on a cinerama screen)...... :) On May 31, 3:12 pm, "Mat Overton" <mat.over...@REMOVElealholm.co.uk> wrote: > > Variable-Density is far better than variable-area. WTF did they even > > develop variable-are?. VA stinks. VD is the best type of analog [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > :) Still... The audio in an optical track is a mouth-watering, delicious, paradisiacal crackling [due to tiny black spots on the film] similar the baking of garlic bread in a clay oven full of hot bituminous coals. The fart of a magnetic track is a hellish stink of stinky, thick, foamy, tickly, itchy, hissy, terrifying, disgusting, and annoying human kakaa-gas of a human who eats stale, fat-free cheddar cheese, sticky milk chocolate, rotten lentils, and decaying cauliflower. PLONK (for X-posting) > PLONK (for X-posting) Plonks should be categorized....Like a category one plonk is a content plonk, and a category two plonk should be a wording plonk. (dirty language and the like) And, a category three plonk a method plonk. (like cross posting) >> PLONK (for X-posting) > > Plonks should be categorized....Like a category one plonk is a content > plonk, and a category two plonk should be a wording plonk. (dirty language > and the like) And, a category three plonk a method plonk. (like cross > posting) I think "Radium" qualifies as his own category. The only remarkable thing these days is that anybody is still reading his/her/its effluvia. > Hail to VD. Death to VA. 1) VD OTN stock and processing is nearly impossible to obtain, today. 2) VA OTN stock and processing has been the de-facto standard for the past three decades. VD is dead, dead, dead. Get used to it. On May 31, 6:22 pm, peterh5322 <peterh5...@rattlebrain.comminch> wrote: > 1) VD OTN stock and processing is nearly impossible to obtain, today. How much do I have to pay, if I want it? > 2) VA OTN stock and processing has been the de-facto standard for the > past three decades. VD is dead, dead, dead. Get used to it. What are the logical reasons for such? My guess is politics and money. VD maybe older technology but it still kicks VA's @$$. Much in the same way Creative Music Synth [old SB16 FM synth] is better than M$ GS Wavetable SW Synth. Newer doesn't necessarily mean more advantageous. Some @$$holes decided it's a good idea to make VA technology, and then the whole world [being gullible as the world is] fell for that crap. As a result, the golden VD technology was left behind. > What are the logical reasons for such? My guess is politics and money. > VD maybe older technology but it still kicks VA's @$$. Much in the > same way Creative Music Synth [old SB16 FM synth] is better than M$ GS > Wavetable SW Synth. Yes very similar, all four are obsolete technology not worth arguing about. Is dog sh.t better than horse sh.t? Does anyone besides you really care? MrT. >> What are the logical reasons for such? My guess is politics and money. >> VD maybe older technology but it still kicks VA's @$$. Much in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Yes very similar, all four are obsolete technology not worth arguing about. >Is dog sh.t better than horse sh.t? Does anyone besides you really care? Obsolete? The entire motion-picture industry would disagree. Modern VA optical tracks can actually sound really good with LED readers and Dolby SR (real SR, not the crappy cat. 222 "SR"/A). SignatureScott Norwood: snorwood@nyx.net, snorwood@redballoon.net Cool Home Page: http://www.redballoon.net/ Lame Quote: Penguins? In Snack Canyon? One must also take into account the different soundtrack compositions over the years: Silver applicated was used since the beginning of optical sound. This was the best type of application till the tree huggers got into the labs. High Magenta is just ok Cyan is equal to dog sh.t. > Yes very similar, >all four are obsolete technology >not worth arguing about. Um, M$ GS Wavetable SW Synth is still present in around 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of computers in the world -- including MACs. Yes, even Macintoshes -- and other non-M$ OSes -- are also polluted with the kakaa stinky M$ GS Wavetable SW Synth. >Does anyone besides you really care? Anyone with sensitive ears definitely cares. > Is dog sh.t better than horse sh.t? Both are tolerable compared human kakaa. Human kakaa is the stinkiest of all kakaa. Human kakaa stinks badlier than all non-human kakaa put together. > > Yes very similar, > >all four are obsolete technology [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > of all kakaa. Human kakaa stinks badlier than all non-human kakaa put > together. Entertaining thread. Is like watching an old Three Stooges film in a THX system... >> > Yes very similar, >> >all four are obsolete technology [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Entertaining thread. Is like watching an old Three Stooges film in a > THX system... Naaaa.....It's not nearly as sophisticated as that....... > Um, M$ GS Wavetable SW Synth is still present in around > 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of computers in the world -- > including MACs. So what? Nobody in their right mind uses it. 99% of people don't know what MIDI is anyway. Those that do use proper software synths. > >Does anyone besides you really care? > Anyone with sensitive ears definitely cares. Bullshit, anyone who really cares uses something else, certainly *NOT* Creative FM synth!!! MrT. > > Um, M$ GS Wavetable SW Synth is still present in around > > 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% of computers in the world -- > > including MACs. > So what? Nobody in their right mind uses it. 99% of people don't know what > MIDI is anyway. Those that do use proper software synths. Um, there are plenty jerks who advocate that kakaa-stink M$GSWSWS. There are too many scumbag fans of the following foam-kakaa of the following *soundcard-MIDI-only synths*: 1. Softsynths 2. Emulations 3. Sample-playbacks 4. Soundfonts > > >Does anyone besides you really care? > > Anyone with sensitive ears definitely cares. > Bullshit, anyone who really cares uses something else, certainly *NOT* > Creative FM synth!!! Um, that depends. Creative Music Synth = the fresh, delicious, heavenly, bright, warm, cool, vibrating, buzzing, tingly, rejuvenating, refreshing aroma of sour, organic, natural, pesticide-free, red-&-green peaches right from the tree. Soundcard-MIDI-only softsynths, emulations, sample-playbacks, and soundfonts = the hellish stink of stinky, thick, foamy, tickly, itchy, hissy, sticky, terrifying, disgusting, and annoying kakaa foam syrup of a human who eats stale, fat-free cheddar cheese, sticky milk chocolate, rotten lentils, and farty cauliflower Please note: I am only against soundcard-MIDI-based softsynths, emulations, sample-playbacks, and soundfonts. I have absolutely nothing against any type of synth that's non-MIDI and/or non-soundcard - including softsynths, emulations, sample- playbacks, and soundfonts that are non-MIDI and/or non-soundcard. The worst soundcard-MIDI synth in the entire universe is the synth present in the soundcards of the 3 PCs in the Career Center of Diamond Bar High School - the High School I went to. The last time I checked that MIDI synth was in the spring of 2002. I believe it is "Crystal soundfont." Not sure, but it *did* have the word "Crystal" in it, when I checked the MIDI tab of the audio devices in one of those PC's control panels. In case anyone wants an ear sore I'll give them the address to DBHS. Once you go to the school, ask someone where the career center is. Last time I checked it was next to the library. If you are an auditory- masochist and love to torture your sound-perception, feel free to play MIDIs on anyone of the 3 PCs. Your ears will hate you for it. You'll need a pass from the school office in order to enter the rest of the school. Other than the MIDI synths of the 3 PCs in the Career Center, DBHS is an excellent, top-notch high school. Probably the best high school in the state of California. Here is a link to their website: http://www.walnutvalley.k12.ca.us/dbhs/ Here is the address: 21400 Pathfinder Road Diamond Bar, CA 91765 Phone #: (909) 594-1405 > Is dog sh.t better than horse sh.t? Less work to clean up. > > Is dog sh.t better than horse sh.t? > > Less work to clean up. But if you're riding a horse, you're farther away from it than if you're riding a dog and it smells less. >> 1) VD OTN stock and processing is nearly impossible to obtain, today. > > How much do I have to pay, if I want it? Too much. Much too much. IOW, if you're asking, you can't afford it. >> 2) VA OTN stock and processing has been the de-facto standard for the >> past three decades. VD is dead, dead, dead. Get used to it. > > What are the logical reasons for such? Everyone wants a "Dolby Stereo", or the "open" equivalent of the same, with their digital format, and the "Dolby Stereo" format is necessarily based upon a circa 1947 WECo recorder with its circa 1937 Stereo Variable Area valve. Only DTS stereo doesn't have a fallback to optical analog stereo. |
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