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Paul Furman - 31 May 2007 00:37 GMT No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
This was my second choice (not submitted) which probably would have been better as an odditorium submission: <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=California/Bay-Area/South-Bay/2007-05-2 6-casa-dos-rios&PG=9&PIC=49> -butterfly taking flight
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Wilba - 31 May 2007 01:42 GMT > No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted: > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 An image has been added since I looked last night, so I guess Jim is still putting it together.
> This was my second choice (not submitted) which probably would have been > better as an odditorium submission: > <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=California/Bay-Area/South-Bay/2007-05-2 6-casa-dos-rios&PG=9&PIC=49> > -butterfly taking flight Cool. :-) Not too late to post a second submission?
Paul Furman - 31 May 2007 04:19 GMT >>No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted: >>http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cool. :-) Not too late to post a second submission? Well, the butterfly-leaving was just an unexpected goof
:-) Did you zoom-while-snapping on the first submission? I like that one. http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206
Jim's dog looks like it's chasing my duck :-) http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617130 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79657023
Ken did a nice job with the field camera waiting for the train: http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617305
Thanks Mike & Doug too for more boating pics http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617184 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288 -I shot my 'duck' from a bobbing/swaying sailboat.
Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 01:49 GMT >>> No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted: >>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Well, the butterfly-leaving was just an unexpected goof :-) Some of my favourite images are unexpected goofs. :-)
> Did you zoom-while-snapping on the first submission? > I like that one. > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206 Thanks. No zoom. This was a fluke (almost a goof). I shot hundreds of exposures trying to get something that worked, and this was the only one that came out with the funnel effect. My guess is that there was some motion of the camera at right angles to the panning. My guess is that I could try for years and never reproduce the effect. :-)
Paul Furman - 02 Jun 2007 06:50 GMT >>>>No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted: >>>>http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > of the camera at right angles to the panning. My guess is that I could try > for years and never reproduce the effect. :-) Well at least you were intentionally trying for weird effects :-)
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Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 03:00 GMT Jim Kramer - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617130
Lots of motion - the dog, it's ears, tail, and paws (look at the left front so extended), the splash and ripples. In this one there's a real sense of motion towards an objective - it knows where it's going and it's going right there right now. :-)
Douglas MacDonald - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617184
When I look at this I want the canoeist to not be there, since I'm getting a "stacked subjects" effect that detracts from both of them for me. Good capture of the peak moment in the leap of the boat.
Wilba 1 - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206
I shot both of these by holding the camera at belly height, in portrait format, as I stood on one foot while stepping forward with the other. I tried lots of variations on freezing the static foot or panning with the moving foot, on different surfaces on different days. This one is of my right foot, which was static, and the left foot cropped out. My guess is that there was some unintended sideways motion (think from up to down in this 90 degree ACW rotation), that resulted in the funnel effect.
Wilba 2 - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617299
This is one of the few pans on the moving foot that worked. Unsharp Mask made the shoe snap into focus. Something I learnt from this exercise was the need to underexpose about a step to avoid blowing out the whites on blurred subjects.
Ken Nadvornick - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617305
It's the detail that makes this special for me. The composition is very well thought out. All the elements fit well within the frame and work with each other - the boom, the signpost, the cat's eyes on the road ... everything adds something. You can feel the whoosh. I love the skinny post visible just inside the right border, showing that the background was visible sometime during the exposure. Is the signpost vertical? It looks to me like it's tilted a smidge to the right. A winner for me.
Paul Furman - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79657023
I understand and sympathise with your comment in other messages about space in front and behind the subject. Lack of a clear eye makes it harder to relate to this as a wildlife shot, but as a motion shot it works for me. Great pinions. I like the mix of blurred and sharp spray.
Mike Benveniste - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288
At first I thought, "what's in motion?", but then I clued into the interpretation of someone dealing with the relative motion of the boat and dock. Strong diagonal axis of the boat, and a nice tight crop.
Graham Fountain - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79751139
This has a feeling for me that there was a lot of motion a moment ago, and now it has pretty much come to a stop. I'm frustrated by the centre of the action being obscured by number 2, but I love the expressions on the faces of the other players. Well framed to include them all.
Alan Browne - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79753743
I like the subject (float planes are very rare where I come from), and it looks good from that angle. As a pan, I'd like the background to be more blurred, and I'd be interested to see a bit more of the wake, but I guess you didn't have many chances to experiment. :-) It looks a bit grainy to me but overall I like it. Definitely a motion shot.
Congratulations to everyone!
JimKramer - 01 Jun 2007 13:24 GMT > Jim Kramer -http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617130 > > Lots of motion - the dog, it's ears, tail, and paws (look at the left front > so extended), the splash and ripples. In this one there's a real sense of > motion towards an objective - it knows where it's going and it's going right > there right now. :-) Motion?! Everything is perfectly still! :-)
Thanks for commenting. Jim
Michael Benveniste - 02 Jun 2007 04:23 GMT >Mike Benveniste - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288 > >At first I thought, "what's in motion?", but then I clued into the >interpretation of someone dealing with the relative motion of the boat and >dock. Strong diagonal axis of the boat, and a nice tight crop. Thank you for your comment. The "dock" was a 90,000 ton cruise ship moving at a few knots of speed. The man on the ladder is transferring between the ship and the pilot boat.
Of course, this is far from obvious from the shot. I had hoped the wake from the boat would indicate this, but I guess there was enough chop in the water to mask it.
Photography is knowing where to stand, and I guess to get this shot I needed to be standing in a low-flying airplane.
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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 31 May 2007 08:57 GMT > No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Paul Furman Photographyhttp://www.edgehill.net/1 > Bay Natives Nurseryhttp://www.baynatives.com I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great! One can really feel the movement in each pic. I can almost feel the water splashing my face looking at Jim's dog pic. Great shot Jim. Wilba's feet moving is a great idea! One can really feel the feet pounding that pavement. Wonderful Wilba! BTW: nice shoes. What make are they?When I was sailing, I remember the feeling of those powerful speed boats zipping by. We almost capsized, so that's another great example of movement. I'm almost sea sick staring at the water watching that boat in Mike Benveniste pic. And Paul's cormorant taking flight with his powerful wings splashing the water just before take off. Great work gentleman! My favorite has to be Ken's. What superb work! Spot on exposure, perfect composition. I can really feel that train moving by. A slow shutter speed was ideal for that, and what really impressed me the most was how sharp, clean and such fine grain the pic is. Carrying around a 4X5 monster can be troublesome, but my God, look at the final results! Excellent work Ken! A great job gentleman! Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 31 May 2007 09:04 GMT On May 31, 3:57 am, helensilverb...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > A great job gentleman! > Helen Whoops, sorry I meant great job "gentlemen". Helen
Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 01:56 GMT Helen wrote:
> I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great! One can > really feel the movement in each pic. I can almost feel the water > splashing my face looking at Jim's dog pic. Great shot Jim. Wilba's > feet moving is a great idea! One can really feel the feet pounding > that pavement. Wonderful Wilba! Thanks very much. I'm very happy with my work on this one. This challenge was a good oportunity for me to experience the principle of, "the harder I work, the luckier I get."
> BTW: nice shoes. What make are they? Converse All-Stars. I like blue suede shoes. :-) Same shoe in Multiple Exposures - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/78049977.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 01 Jun 2007 02:32 GMT > Helen wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Converse All-Stars. I like blue suede shoes. :-) Same shoe in Multiple > Exposures -http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/78049977. I thought they were familiar. Thanks for the info! They ARE nice shoes! Helen
Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 03:04 GMT Helen wrote:
>> Helen wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I thought they were familiar. Thanks for the info! They ARE nice > shoes!
:-) Thanks. I'll think of you when I wear them to town this afternoon. Pudentame - 01 Jun 2007 04:07 GMT > Helen wrote: >> I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great! One can [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Converse All-Stars. I like blue suede shoes. :-) Same shoe in Multiple > Exposures - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/78049977. Damn hard to find nowadays. Used to be able to get blue suede hushpuppies, but it don't look like they make 'em anymore.
Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 04:15 GMT >> Helen wrote: >>> I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great! One can [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Damn hard to find nowadays. Used to be able to get blue suede hushpuppies, > but it don't look like they make 'em anymore. I guess mine are about three years old, which makes them ancient in the fashion world. :-)
Pudentame - 01 Jun 2007 22:30 GMT >>> Helen wrote: >>>> I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great! One can [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I guess mine are about three years old, which makes them ancient in the > fashion world. :-) Had a pair since I was 16, replaced every few years as they wear out.
JimKramer - 31 May 2007 14:05 GMT > No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Paul Furman Photographyhttp://www.edgehill.net/1 > Bay Natives Nurseryhttp://www.baynatives.com It's up, an overwhelming turn out; just a wee bit o' frustration on my end. :-(
Walter Banks - 31 May 2007 14:07 GMT All of the images meet the mandate. My favourites for completely different reasons are Ken Nadvornick's train on the crossing and Jim Kramer's dog running in the shallows.
Ken demonstrates the power of a well planned photo shoot that results in an image that anyone should be proud of. Jim's image has more human emotion of a frozen moment in time capturing the sheer joy of a dog in motion. Both images pass my criterion if hung on a wall will I still enjoy them a month or a year from now. Both tell a story, the starting line for the imagination.
Jim Kramer http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617130
No question dog in motion, meets the mandate. The dog's face says it all, " I am happy to be here" . There is a lot of detail, the kind of picture that you don't get tired of.
Douglas MacDonald http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617184
Meets the mandate. This image has some depth of field problems. The eye is drawn to the focus point between the two boats. The powered pontoon boat is out of focus.
Wilba 1 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206 I am not so sure about this one
Wilba 2 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617299
I quite like this image. It is clear that the runner is in motion but the left foot is sharply infocus frozen against a moving background. The first impression is there is something different here. Well done
Ken Nadvornick http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617305
Adsel Adams was right. Master black and white first. There is a story in this image. There is also an interesting story of planning in the details provided. It is the kind of image that tells you that good photography doesn't just happen. Ken, you know its technically well done and I am not skilled enough to judge. Very well done.
Paul Furman http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79657023
A water soaked cormorant taking flight. A cormorant struggles into the air. It is still dragging on the water. This is a tough image to get both bird and water exposed correctly especially when looking into the light. The cormorant's head is under exposed. A better story might have been including the splash marks behind the cormorant if the original included them.
Mike Benveniste http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288
Picking up or dropping off a pilot. Almost the antithesis of motion. Two boats in synchronized motion briefly locked together for the transfer. There is a story here. I like it.
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JimKramer - 31 May 2007 14:59 GMT > All of the images meet the mandate. My favourites for > completely different reasons are Ken Nadvornick's train [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > face says it all, " I am happy to be here" . There is a lot of > detail, the kind of picture that you don't get tired of. This was at a UKC Hunt Test. The dog had just been released to retrieve two ducks. Hell yeah the dog was happy! :-)
Thanks for commenting, Jim
Paul Furman - 31 May 2007 16:13 GMT > Paul Furman http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79657023 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A better story might have been including the splash marks > behind the cormorant if the original included them. Thanks for the comments Walter. I could have left a bit more of the splash trail but it was basically a 1/4 crop of the lower right corner & I wanted the bird fairly large in the frame. Actually I just tried that & it works well, I thought I needed space in front of the bird per standard rules but more white spray trail looks good. BTW here's a full pixel crop: <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=California/Bay-Area/San-Francisco/neigh borhoods/2007-05-28-sailing/crop&PG=2&PIC=11> Even stopped down two stops, only the rear wing was in focus! It was awfully tough trying to track these buggers with a huge manual focus lens on a bobbing & swaying sailboat.
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Michael Benveniste - 31 May 2007 18:25 GMT > Mike Benveniste http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288 > > Picking up or dropping off a pilot. Almost the antithesis of motion. Two > boats in synchronized motion briefly locked together for the transfer. > There is a story here. I like it. Thank you for your comments. This was a "shoot first, think later" shot; I saw the transfer taking place and grabbed the camera. Only later did I think about the mandate.
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Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 02:06 GMT > Wilba 1 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206 > I am not so sure about this one Neither am I. :-) The funnel effect is a fluke and entirely unintended. When I look at it now, I think of primary school kids in a playground, and hear the shouts and squeels that go with that.
> Wilba 2 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617299 > > I quite like this image. It is clear that the runner is in > motion but the left foot is sharply infocus frozen against > a moving background. The first impression is there is > something different here. Well done Thanks very much. I like that - "an impression of something different".
Ken Nadvornick - 03 Jun 2007 09:15 GMT > All of the images meet the mandate. My favourites for > completely different reasons are Ken Nadvornick's train [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > know its technically well done and I am not skilled enough > to judge. Very well done. Walter,
Many thanks. That may be the first time I've ever had AA mentioned in any proximity to my name. Not sure the submission is *that* good, but you are quite correct regarding the planning in advance that went into it.
I had previously constructed a viewer using an ABS sewer pipe fitting and a Zone VI previewing filter. When this carefully calibrated contraption is held to my eye it duplicates *exactly* the field of view my 210mm lens projects onto the 4x5 sheet of film. And the filter itself -- a Kodak Wratten #90 -- gives a usable approximation of the scene as rendered in b&w tones. This allows me to "test" 4x5 compositions as easily as holding a 35mm camera to my eye. Very useful.
My original idea was to have a solid tonal "smear" across the frame such that the subject would be indistinguishable save indirectly by the presence of the railroad crossing gate and sign. I had previously scouted the site a week earlier and marked three possible composition points by placing rocks at each location.
I had also shadowed a train along this stretch of track using my car, so I knew the speed they would be traveling. Having paced off the length of a locomotive, I had enough info to determine I needed a shutter speed of about 1/2 second from my composition point to allow the maximum smearing to occur across a full (horizontal) sheet of film by a single locomotive. This would prevent any ghosting from the opposite side.
By using Ilford FP4+ film at my calibrated rating of 160, and stopping the lens down to f/40, and using that 2-stop ND filter you noticed in the SI details (the only one I own), I also knew that I needed a cloudy day that was 2 additional stops below Sunny-16.
Alas, Nature said, "No way!" The best I could get was a cloudy-bright day one stop below S-16. That meant 1/4 second shutter which, in turn, meant a shorter smear, which then explains the presence of that ghostly pole on the right edge of the frame. It also explains the faintest hint of the locomotive's curved front cowling visible in the upper left of the smear. The central part is solid smear, but not the edges.
Then to heap insult upon injury, you may have also noticed the additional clue in the published details. A properly created negative does not normally require a #5 contrast grade of paper. But if the photographer inadvertently uses eight-month-old partially-exhausted developer from a half-empty bottle he's going to get an underdeveloped (read: lower contrast) negative. One advantage of using a calibrated process is that mistakes like this jump right out at you. This one I noticed the instant I pulled the first sheet from the washer. What a maroon I am...
Ken
Pudentame - 31 May 2007 16:38 GMT > No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted: > http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -butterfly taking flight I think it would have made a better first choice.
Paul Furman - 03 Jun 2007 07:23 GMT >> No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted: >> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I think it would have made a better first choice. OK, thanks for your observation. It gets hard to sort out a random lucky quirk from a competent, extremely challenging mediocre shot sometimes... so much culling... I wonder sometimes if I'm a 'photographer' or more an editor.
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