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Paul Furman - 31 May 2007 00:37 GMT
No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2

This was my second choice (not submitted) which probably would have been
better as an odditorium submission:
<http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=California/Bay-Area/South-Bay/2007-05-2
6-casa-dos-rios&PG=9&PIC=49
>
-butterfly taking flight

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Wilba - 31 May 2007 01:42 GMT
> No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2

An image has been added since I looked last night, so I guess Jim is still
putting it together.

> This was my second choice (not submitted) which probably would have been
> better as an odditorium submission:
> <http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=California/Bay-Area/South-Bay/2007-05-2
6-casa-dos-rios&PG=9&PIC=49
>
> -butterfly taking flight

Cool. :-)  Not too late to post a second submission?
Paul Furman - 31 May 2007 04:19 GMT
>>No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:
>>http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
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>
> Cool. :-)  Not too late to post a second submission?

Well, the butterfly-leaving was just an unexpected goof
:-)

Did you zoom-while-snapping on the first submission?
I like that one.
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206

Jim's dog looks like it's chasing my duck :-)
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617130
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79657023

Ken did a nice job with the field camera waiting for the train:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617305

Thanks Mike & Doug too for more boating pics
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617184
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288
-I shot my 'duck' from a bobbing/swaying sailboat.
Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 01:49 GMT
>>> No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:
>>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
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>
> Well, the butterfly-leaving was just an unexpected goof :-)

Some of my favourite images are unexpected goofs. :-)

> Did you zoom-while-snapping on the first submission?
> I like that one.
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206

Thanks. No zoom. This was a fluke (almost a goof). I shot hundreds of
exposures trying to get something that worked, and this was the only one
that came out with the funnel effect. My guess is that there was some motion
of the camera at right angles to the panning. My guess is that I could try
for years and never reproduce the effect. :-)
Paul Furman - 02 Jun 2007 06:50 GMT
>>>>No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:
>>>>http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
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> of the camera at right angles to the panning. My guess is that I could try
> for years and never reproduce the effect. :-)

Well at least you were intentionally trying for weird effects :-)

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Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 03:00 GMT
Jim Kramer - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617130

Lots of motion - the dog, it's ears, tail, and paws (look at the left front
so extended), the splash and ripples. In this one there's a real sense of
motion towards an objective - it knows where it's going and it's going right
there right now. :-)

Douglas MacDonald - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617184

When I look at this I want the canoeist to not be there, since I'm getting a
"stacked subjects" effect that detracts from both of them for me. Good
capture of the peak moment in the leap of the boat.

Wilba 1 - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206

I shot both of these by holding the camera at belly height, in portrait
format, as I stood on one foot while stepping forward with the other. I
tried lots of variations on freezing the static foot or panning with the
moving foot, on different surfaces on different days. This one is of my
right foot, which was static, and the left foot cropped out. My guess is
that there was some unintended sideways motion (think from up to down in
this 90 degree ACW rotation), that resulted in the funnel effect.

Wilba 2 - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617299

This is one of the few pans on the moving foot that worked. Unsharp Mask
made the shoe snap into focus. Something I learnt from this exercise was the
need to underexpose about a step to avoid blowing out the whites on blurred
subjects.

Ken Nadvornick - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617305

It's the detail that makes this special for me. The composition is very well
thought out. All the elements fit well within the frame and work with each
other - the boom, the signpost, the cat's eyes on the road ... everything
adds something. You can feel the whoosh. I love the skinny post visible just
inside the right border, showing that the background was visible sometime
during the exposure. Is the signpost vertical? It looks to me like it's
tilted a smidge to the right. A winner for me.

Paul Furman - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79657023

I understand and sympathise with your comment in other messages about space
in front and behind the subject. Lack of a clear eye makes it harder to
relate to this as a wildlife shot, but as a motion shot it works for me.
Great pinions. I like the mix of blurred and sharp spray.

Mike Benveniste - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288

At first I thought, "what's in motion?", but then I clued into the
interpretation of someone dealing with the relative motion of the boat and
dock. Strong diagonal axis of the boat, and a nice tight crop.

Graham Fountain - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79751139

This has a feeling for me that there was a lot of motion a moment ago, and
now it has pretty much come to a stop. I'm frustrated by the centre of the
action being obscured by number 2, but I love the expressions on the faces
of the other players. Well framed to include them all.

Alan Browne - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79753743

I like the subject (float planes are very rare where I come from), and it
looks good from that angle. As a pan, I'd like the background to be more
blurred, and I'd be interested to see a bit more of the wake, but I guess
you didn't have many chances to experiment. :-)  It looks a bit grainy to me
but overall I like it. Definitely a motion shot.

Congratulations to everyone!
JimKramer - 01 Jun 2007 13:24 GMT
> Jim Kramer -http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617130
>
> Lots of motion - the dog, it's ears, tail, and paws (look at the left front
> so extended), the splash and ripples. In this one there's a real sense of
> motion towards an objective - it knows where it's going and it's going right
> there right now. :-)

Motion?!  Everything is perfectly still! :-)

Thanks for commenting.
Jim
Michael Benveniste - 02 Jun 2007 04:23 GMT
>Mike Benveniste - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288
>
>At first I thought, "what's in motion?", but then I clued into the
>interpretation of someone dealing with the relative motion of the boat and
>dock. Strong diagonal axis of the boat, and a nice tight crop.

Thank you for your comment.  The "dock" was a 90,000 ton cruise ship
moving at a few knots of speed.  The man on the ladder is
transferring between the ship and the pilot boat.

Of course, this is far from obvious from the shot.  I had hoped the wake
from the boat would indicate this, but I guess there was enough chop in
the water to mask it.

Photography is knowing where to stand, and I guess to get this shot I
needed to be standing in a low-flying airplane.

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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 31 May 2007 08:57 GMT
> No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
>
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> Paul Furman Photographyhttp://www.edgehill.net/1
> Bay Natives Nurseryhttp://www.baynatives.com

I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great!  One can
really feel the movement in each pic.  I can almost feel the water
splashing my face looking at Jim's dog pic.  Great shot Jim.  Wilba's
feet moving is a great idea!  One can really feel the feet pounding
that pavement.  Wonderful Wilba!  BTW:  nice shoes.  What make are
they?When I was sailing, I remember the feeling of those powerful
speed boats zipping by.  We almost capsized, so that's another great
example of movement.  I'm almost sea sick staring at the water
watching that boat in Mike Benveniste pic.  And Paul's cormorant
taking flight with his powerful wings splashing the water just before
take off.  Great work gentleman!  My favorite has to be Ken's.  What
superb work!  Spot on exposure, perfect composition.  I can really
feel that train moving by.  A slow shutter speed was ideal for that,
and what really impressed me the most was how sharp, clean and such
fine grain the pic is.  Carrying around a 4X5 monster can be
troublesome, but my God, look at the final results!  Excellent work
Ken!
A great job gentleman!
Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 31 May 2007 09:04 GMT
On May 31, 3:57 am, helensilverb...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> A great job gentleman!
> Helen

Whoops, sorry I meant great job "gentlemen".
Helen
Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 01:56 GMT
Helen wrote:

> I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great!  One can
> really feel the movement in each pic.  I can almost feel the water
> splashing my face looking at Jim's dog pic.  Great shot Jim.  Wilba's
> feet moving is a great idea!  One can really feel the feet pounding
> that pavement.  Wonderful Wilba!

Thanks very much. I'm very happy with my work on this one. This challenge
was a good oportunity for me to experience the principle of, "the harder I
work, the luckier I get."

> BTW:  nice shoes.  What make are they?

Converse All-Stars. I like blue suede shoes. :-)  Same shoe in Multiple
Exposures - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/78049977.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 01 Jun 2007 02:32 GMT
> Helen wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Converse All-Stars. I like blue suede shoes. :-)  Same shoe in Multiple
> Exposures -http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/78049977.

I thought they were familiar.  Thanks for the info!  They ARE nice
shoes!
Helen
Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 03:04 GMT
Helen wrote:
>> Helen wrote:
>>>
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> I thought they were familiar.  Thanks for the info!  They ARE nice
> shoes!

:-)  Thanks. I'll think of you when I wear them to town this afternoon.
Pudentame - 01 Jun 2007 04:07 GMT
> Helen wrote:
>> I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great!  One can
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Converse All-Stars. I like blue suede shoes. :-)  Same shoe in Multiple
> Exposures - http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/78049977.

Damn hard to find nowadays. Used to be able to get blue suede
hushpuppies, but it don't look like they make 'em anymore.
Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 04:15 GMT
>> Helen wrote:
>>> I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great!  One can
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Damn hard to find nowadays. Used to be able to get blue suede hushpuppies,
> but it don't look like they make 'em anymore.

I guess mine are about three years old, which makes them ancient in the
fashion world. :-)
Pudentame - 01 Jun 2007 22:30 GMT
>>> Helen wrote:
>>>> I thought all the submissions in this Mandate were great!  One can
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> I guess mine are about three years old, which makes them ancient in the
> fashion world. :-)

Had a pair since I was 16, replaced every few years as they wear out.
JimKramer - 31 May 2007 14:05 GMT
> No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Paul Furman Photographyhttp://www.edgehill.net/1
> Bay Natives Nurseryhttp://www.baynatives.com

It's up, an overwhelming turn out; just a wee bit o' frustration on my
end. :-(
Walter Banks - 31 May 2007 14:07 GMT
All of the images meet the mandate. My favourites for
completely different reasons are Ken Nadvornick's train
on the crossing and Jim Kramer's dog running in the shallows.

Ken demonstrates the power of a well planned photo shoot
that results in an image that anyone should be proud of.
Jim's image has more human emotion of a frozen moment in
time capturing the sheer joy of a dog in motion. Both images
pass my criterion if hung on a wall will I still enjoy them a
month or a year from now. Both tell a story, the starting
line for the imagination.

Jim Kramer http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617130

No question dog in motion, meets the mandate.  The dog's
face says it all, " I am happy to be here" . There is a lot of
detail, the kind of picture that you don't get tired of.

Douglas MacDonald http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617184

Meets the mandate. This image has some depth of field
problems. The eye is drawn to the focus point  between
the two boats. The powered pontoon boat is out of focus.

Wilba 1 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206
I am not so sure about this one

Wilba 2 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617299

I quite like this image. It is clear that the runner is in
motion but the left foot is sharply infocus frozen against
a moving background. The first impression is there is
something different here. Well done

Ken Nadvornick http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617305

Adsel Adams was right. Master black and white first. There
is a story in this image. There is also an interesting story of
planning in the details provided. It is the kind of image that
tells you that good photography doesn't just happen. Ken, you
know its technically well done and I am not skilled enough
to judge. Very well done.

Paul Furman  http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79657023

A water soaked cormorant taking flight. A cormorant struggles
into the air. It is still dragging on the water. This is a tough image
to get both bird and water exposed correctly especially when
looking into the light. The cormorant's head is under exposed.
A better story might have been including the splash marks
behind the cormorant if the original included them.

Mike Benveniste http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288

Picking up or dropping off a pilot. Almost the antithesis of motion. Two
boats in synchronized motion briefly locked together for the transfer.
There is a story here. I like it.

w..
JimKramer - 31 May 2007 14:59 GMT
> All of the images meet the mandate. My favourites for
> completely different reasons are Ken Nadvornick's train
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> face says it all, " I am happy to be here" . There is a lot of
> detail, the kind of picture that you don't get tired of.

This was at a UKC Hunt Test.  The dog had just been released to
retrieve two ducks.  Hell yeah the dog was happy! :-)

Thanks for commenting,
Jim
Paul Furman - 31 May 2007 16:13 GMT
> Paul Furman  http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79657023
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> A better story might have been including the splash marks
> behind the cormorant if the original included them.

Thanks for the comments Walter. I could have left a bit more of the
splash trail but it was basically a 1/4 crop of the lower right corner &
I wanted the bird fairly large in the frame. Actually I just tried that
& it works well, I thought I needed space in front of the bird per
standard rules but more white spray trail looks good. BTW here's a full
pixel crop:
<http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=California/Bay-Area/San-Francisco/neigh
borhoods/2007-05-28-sailing/crop&PG=2&PIC=11
>
Even stopped down two stops, only the rear wing was in focus! It was
awfully tough trying to track these buggers with a huge manual focus
lens on a bobbing & swaying sailboat.

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Michael Benveniste - 31 May 2007 18:25 GMT
> Mike Benveniste http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79672288
>
> Picking up or dropping off a pilot. Almost the antithesis of motion. Two
> boats in synchronized motion briefly locked together for the transfer.
> There is a story here. I like it.

Thank you for your comments.  This was a "shoot first, think later"
shot; I saw the transfer taking place and grabbed the camera.
Only later did I think about the mandate.

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Wilba - 01 Jun 2007 02:06 GMT
> Wilba 1 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617206
> I am not so sure about this one

Neither am I. :-)  The funnel effect is a fluke and entirely unintended.
When I look at it now, I think of primary school kids in a playground, and
hear the shouts and squeels that go with that.

> Wilba 2 http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/79617299
>
> I quite like this image. It is clear that the runner is in
> motion but the left foot is sharply infocus frozen against
> a moving background. The first impression is there is
> something different here. Well done

Thanks very much. I like that - "an impression of something different".
Ken Nadvornick - 03 Jun 2007 09:15 GMT
> All of the images meet the mandate. My favourites for
> completely different reasons are Ken Nadvornick's train
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> know its technically well done and I am not skilled enough
> to judge. Very well done.

Walter,

Many thanks.  That may be the first time I've ever had AA mentioned in any
proximity to my name.  Not sure the submission is *that* good, but you are
quite correct regarding the planning in advance that went into it.

I had previously constructed a viewer using an ABS sewer pipe fitting and a
Zone VI previewing filter.  When this carefully calibrated contraption is
held to my eye it duplicates *exactly* the field of view my 210mm lens
projects onto the 4x5 sheet of film.  And the filter itself -- a Kodak
Wratten #90 -- gives a usable approximation of the scene as rendered in b&w
tones.  This allows me to "test" 4x5 compositions as easily as holding a
35mm camera to my eye.  Very useful.

My original idea was to have a solid tonal "smear" across the frame such
that the subject would be indistinguishable save indirectly by the presence
of the railroad crossing gate and sign.  I had previously scouted the site a
week earlier and marked three possible composition points by placing rocks
at each location.

I had also shadowed a train along this stretch of track using my car, so I
knew the speed they would be traveling.  Having paced off the length of a
locomotive, I had enough info to determine I needed a shutter speed of about
1/2 second from my composition point to allow the maximum smearing to occur
across a full (horizontal) sheet of film by a single locomotive.  This would
prevent any ghosting from the opposite side.

By using Ilford FP4+ film at my calibrated rating of 160, and stopping the
lens down to f/40, and using that 2-stop ND filter you noticed in the SI
details (the only one I own), I also knew that I needed a cloudy day that
was 2 additional stops below Sunny-16.

Alas, Nature said, "No way!"  The best I could get was a cloudy-bright day
one stop below S-16.  That meant 1/4 second shutter which, in turn, meant a
shorter smear, which then explains the presence of that ghostly pole on the
right edge of the frame.  It also explains the faintest hint of the
locomotive's curved front cowling visible in the upper left of the smear.
The central part is solid smear, but not the edges.

Then to heap insult upon injury, you may have also noticed the additional
clue in the published details.  A properly created negative does not
normally require a #5 contrast grade of paper.  But if the photographer
inadvertently uses eight-month-old partially-exhausted developer from a
half-empty bottle he's going to get an underdeveloped (read: lower contrast)
negative.  One advantage of using a calibrated process is that mistakes like
this jump right out at you.  This one I noticed the instant I pulled the
first sheet from the washer.  What a maroon I am...

Ken
Pudentame - 31 May 2007 16:38 GMT
> No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> -butterfly taking flight

I think it would have made a better first choice.
Paul Furman - 03 Jun 2007 07:23 GMT
>> No official announcement but I noticed 'Motion' is posted:
>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/motion2
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I think it would have made a better first choice.

OK, thanks for your observation. It gets hard to sort out a random lucky
quirk from a competent, extremely challenging mediocre shot sometimes...
so much culling... I wonder sometimes if I'm a 'photographer' or more an
editor.

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