Greetings, all:
I'm hoping someone could help me out, since I'm a newbie with
photography stuff and can scarcely understand how to set the equipment
I've got (it's due to a lack of understanding of a lot of advanced
photo techniques and terms). I request that you please don't use
phrases like "stop down" because I don't really know what that means.
On the other hand, if you were to say "set the aperature to f/8," I
can do that because I know how to find that adjustment on the camera.
Okay, here's what I've got: a Canon Rebel II S that I'll be using with
a 500mm f/8.0 mirror lens I just bought. I know a lot of people hate
them, but I got it for under a hundred bucks and it's an inexpensive
and highly portable way for me to get close-up shots of airplanes in
flight. Previous outings with the traditional lenses I own have
yielded mixed results, with some really good pictures and a lot that
are 90% sky and 10% airplane (like http://caxton.stockton.edu/BigOldCar/picture$89
and http://caxton.stockton.edu/BigOldCar/picture$90. I'd rather get
results like this: http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/E7B5D425-1E95-4F08-ABEB-3640BAF0F6F8/0/LeuchersAi
rshow10.jpg).
That's why the big lens. Because of what it is, I bought some 800-
speed film to use just with this new lens. (After I burn through one
roll, I'll probably switch back to my 400-speed film and the lenses
I'm used to using, pending development of that roll. I'm used to
using the 400 and regular lenses with the camera set to automatic, by
the way.)
It's going to be sunny and bright tomorrow. Sorry, I don't know which
direction I'll be facing for sure (I think SSW, but don't quote me on
it).
Is the 800-speed film strictly necessary, do you think?
I have read that I should set the shutter speed to 1/90. Is that
correct with this combination of equipment and conditions?
I also am given to understand that the aperature is not adjustable.
Does that mean that what the camera wants to adjust it to doesn't
matter, or does its setting of aperature affect other settings on the
camera? (Is aperature a setting within the lens or the camera?)
Should I follow the advice that the camera gives me through its
exposure meter, or ignore it?
I have read that the pictures will be darker than they appear through
the lens. Should I use a filter? I have a "skylight" filter, a 2Xnd
and a 4xnd for it.
I have a tripod, but I intend not to use it. I really don't wanna
carry it around with me. I hope to lean on the fence or on my wife's
knee (Who am I kidding? I'll probably end up using my own). Please
don't flame me on this last point.
What do I need to do to get good results? Remember, I'm an amateur,
so 'good' to me might not be for a professional. I'm hoping not to
get responses like, "Mirror lenses are all crap, your pictures will
suck, you're an idiot for trying to get away with not using a
tripod." By the way, I don't know what "bokeh" is, but I understand
that out-of-focus light sources tend to show up as fuzzy donuts. I
don't need razor-sharp, rivet-counting quality. I want to see
exciting (or at least interesting) shots of airplanes doing cool stuff.
Scott W - 26 May 2007 01:28 GMT
On May 25, 2:04 pm, S_W...@Hotmail.com wrote:
> Greetings, all:
>
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> don't need razor-sharp, rivet-counting quality. I want to see
> exciting (or at least interesting) shots of airplanes doing cool stuff.
ISO 400 film should be fast enough in good bright sunlight, but you
will need a steady hand. Depending on the lens you might have to use
manual exposure, maybe meter with a normal lens set to f/8 and then
use the same shutter speed with the 500mm on.
In general those big cheap mirror lenses are pretty bad, so don't get
your hopes up too much.
But have fun.
Scott
Paul Furman - 26 May 2007 15:56 GMT
> On May 25, 2:04 pm, S_W...@Hotmail.com wrote:
>
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> maybe meter with a normal lens set to f/8 and then
> use the same shutter speed with the 500mm on.
Will that work? I thought the exposure should be very different at 10x
the focal length? That's why I wondered whether the lens will tell the
camera what it is.

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Jim - 26 May 2007 16:40 GMT
>> On May 25, 2:04 pm, S_W...@Hotmail.com wrote:
>>
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> focal length? That's why I wondered whether the lens will tell the camera
> what it is.
No, the focal length has next to no influence on the proper exposure. The
OP needs to
understand that the central obstruction of a mirror lens does reduce the
effective fstop.
The usual recommendation is to consider an f8 mirror lens as being more like
f11, but
opinions vary on this point. The OP needs to practice using this lens
before taking shots
at the intended venue.
Jim
Paul Furman - 27 May 2007 02:55 GMT
>>Scott W wrote:
>>>S_W...@Hotmail.com wrote:
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>
> No, the focal length has next to no influence on the proper exposure.
That can't be right.
500mm needs a LOT more light than 50mm.
> The OP needs to understand that the central obstruction of a mirror lens does reduce the
> effective fstop. The usual recommendation is to consider an f8 mirror lens as being more like
> f11, but opinions vary on this point.
Ah, that's what the 'darker' warning was about.
> The OP needs to practice using this lens before taking shots at the intended venue.

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Wilba - 27 May 2007 06:34 GMT
>>>> maybe meter with a normal lens set to f/8 and then
>>>> use the same shutter speed with the 500mm on.
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> That can't be right.
> 500mm needs a LOT more light than 50mm.
That's the whole point of talking about apertures using f numbers - given an
evenly illuminated scene and all other things being equal (like ISO and
exposure compensation), any lens set to f8 will require the same shutter
speed.
Try it for yourself. Find something like an evenly lit blank wall. Make sure
that you see the same blank even image at the extremes of your focal length
range. Set your camera to aperture priority, and compare the shutter speed
it wants at the extemes of the zoom range. If you have an SLR, attach a
different lens, set it to the same f number, and compare that shutter speed.
Paul Furman - 27 May 2007 18:41 GMT
>>>>>maybe meter with a normal lens set to f/8 and then
>>>>>use the same shutter speed with the 500mm on.
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> it wants at the extemes of the zoom range. If you have an SLR, attach a
> different lens, set it to the same f number, and compare that shutter speed.
OK, thanks that makes sense, I was just thinking about how 1/50 second
is not hand holdable on a 500mm lens (hence the long lens needs more
light) but yes it does come out the same on a tripod.

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Wilba - 28 May 2007 03:06 GMT
>>>>>> maybe meter with a normal lens set to f/8 and then
>>>>>> use the same shutter speed with the 500mm on.
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> not hand holdable on a 500mm lens (hence the long lens needs more light)
> but yes it does come out the same on a tripod.
Yeah, I wondered if that was what you had in mind, but I couldn't be sure.
:-)
Fred Anonymous - 27 May 2007 18:08 GMT
Hello.
I use a Sigma 600mm mirror lens with a Canon EOS350D.
I use it for moon, star and aviation photography.
Here's what works for me:
- set camera to Av mode.
- aperture will display as 0.0 in the viewfinder and the camera will set the
appropriate shutter speed.
- lens focuses manually.
I also have a Canon 500mm mirror lens (for 35mm manual focus body) and a
Minolta 400mm lens (for APS autofocus body).
I can use the Canon lens with speeds as slow as 1/500 quite reliably and the
Minolta with speeds down to 1/125 quite reliably (remember - it is for APS
bodies).
With the Sigma lens I invariably get shake if the shutter is slower than
1/1000.
I also compared results of photography aircraft a few thousand feet up. The
Sigma 600mm gives larger images (obviously) than I get from my Canon
70-300mm zoom but ...
... when I enlarge the images taken with that Canon zoom so they are the
same size as the Sigma there isn't a lot to choose. If I am being really
fussy then the Canon does give sharper images than the Sigma despite the
greater enlargement.
Oh - if you do decide to use filters with you mirror lens then will it take
small filters that fit into a holder that is a part of the lens's body? If
it doesn't have such a holder and the filter fits over the front element of
the lens then:
- a filter will be expensive and
- might not actually be available (my Canon 500mm mirror lens has a very odd
size - 83.75mm I think - which suggests that it isn't intended for use with
filters.
Hope this helps
Ian.
bob hickey - 29 Jul 2007 02:16 GMT
> Greetings, all:
>
> I'm hoping someone could help me out, since I'm a newbie with
> photography stuff and can scarcely understand how to set the equipment
> I've got (it's due to a lack of understanding of a lot of advanced
> photo techniques and terms). I request that you please don't use
If it's an f8 lens, 1/500 or 1/1000 should be fine. Don't pay any attention
to the meter, it'll prolly be fooled if you point it toward the sky. What's
going to kill you, is shutter lag. There's a time lapse between the time you
push the button and the time the shutter fires. No way out of it, if you
wait till the plane is in focus to fire, it'll be gone before the shot is
taken. Every camera is diferent, so you'll just have to practice. Fire the
shutter before it's in focus and it should be way out of focus when the
mirror comes down. Err on the too soon side. It takes practice. Have fun.
Bob Hickey