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How to prepare for crappy weather.
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Eric Miller - 21 May 2007 21:13 GMT OK, so I'm checking the long-term forecasts for my trip to the Canadian Rockies and all seem to agree that when its not just cloudy, it will be raining. My destination is the Banff/Lake Louise area. Are there any particular strategies or equipment that anyone can recommend for photographing the scenery there under overcast conditions. I'm not really looking for advice as to how to keep my camera dry, I'm interested more in advice on how to get more than just drab landscapes with blown out skies, maybe a particular filter or technique. Maybe the soaking wet animals will at least be a bit more active and visible under those conditions.
My current plan includes my 5D, 550ex, Better Beamer, 24mm f/2.8 (bought for the trip), 28-135 IS, 400mm 5/5.6L, and probably the 50mm f/1.4. Oh and a tripod and remote release.
Eric Miller www.dyesscreek.com
Paul Furman - 22 May 2007 00:32 GMT > OK, so I'm checking the long-term forecasts for my trip to the Canadian > Rockies and all seem to agree that when its not just cloudy, it will be [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the trip), 28-135 IS, 400mm 5/5.6L, and probably the 50mm f/1.4. Oh and a > tripod and remote release. It probably will be just afternoon thundershowers which means spectacular thunderheads & clear sunrise shooting. Here's what I got around this time of year a few years back with a P&S: http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Overseas/2001-05-28-canada
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Eric Miller - 22 May 2007 01:47 GMT > It probably will be just afternoon thundershowers which means > spectacular thunderheads & clear sunrise shooting. Here's what I got > around this time of year a few years back with a P&S: > http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Overseas/2001-05-28-canada I hope you are right, but the forecasts disagree. Nice shots BTW.
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Annika1980 - 22 May 2007 03:51 GMT On May 21, 4:13 pm, "Eric Miller" <millerericnos...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> My current plan includes my 5D, 550ex, Better Beamer, 24mm f/2.8 (bought for > the trip), 28-135 IS, 400mm 5/5.6L, and probably the 50mm f/1.4. Oh and a > tripod and remote release. Sounds like a plan, although the 50 f/1.4 is redundant. I'd leave that one at home, unless I was planning to do some stitched panoramas.
Scott W - 22 May 2007 04:26 GMT > On May 21, 4:13 pm, "Eric Miller" <millerericnos...@bellsouth.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'd leave that one at home, unless I was planning to do some stitched > panoramas. The 50mm is going to be sharper then the zoom and if he does any indoor shooting the faster speed will be handy, although for indoors the 24mm f/2.8 will most likely be the lens of choice.
Scott
Eric Miller - 22 May 2007 14:56 GMT > Sounds like a plan, although the 50 f/1.4 is redundant.
> I'd leave that one at home, unless I was planning to do some stitched
> panoramas. Yep, stitched panos is my primary reasoning for taking it.
Eric Miller
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Dave - 22 May 2007 05:59 GMT Well, crappy weather often makes for good photos. To me, the biggest problem is blown-out sky seen in a typical mountain photo, only partially overcome with a polarizing lens. Bad weather will actually help in that regard. I don't consider myself an expert, but I live along the Canadian Rockies and I have been up and down dozens of the mountains there.
The distances are big, and so by necessity I backpack with light equipment. Don't expect to get very close to predators, though near Banff you might get lucky with elk, sheep, and rarely goats. I've never seen a cougar, and despite spending years on the trails I have only had a face-to-face encounter with a grizzly once, and a half-dozen, in-your-face black bear encounters. Most bear sightings will be from the car, early in the morning, and it will be difficult to position yourself for a great photo. Because of the great distances to walk and carry things, it isn't worth it to carry long lenses beyond about 200mm. I have a really light Gitzo tripod and I carry a medium zoom with lens hood, and a 20mm 2.8 or a 16-35. I carry a polarizer and sometimes will bring a grad ND filter to darken the sky. With the tripod and multiple exposures, you might get away with an HDR technique rather than the bulky ND grads. The rest stays in the car, just in case I stumble across something near the road.
Ideally, you want to get up really early, about 4:00-5:00 am, shoot photos til about 10:00am, snooze til about 19:00h, then shoot til 22:00h. Unfortunately that isn't a very safe approach if you have to walk to a destination, as you don't want to be caught on a trail in the dark. In the mountains the sun seems to set a lot faster than on the prairies, so you better be close to the car at twilight. It works better if you backpack in, but then the equipment list narrows as you also have to carry a tent, food, stove, etc. In addition, if you are a family man then your time has to be shared with family, ultimately meaning that those remarkable twilight images may be too much of a compromise for the family.
If you are backpacking then you should be prepared for snow, not just rain. Certainly you need a toque and a water repellent winter coat, even in August. I would definitely take a day to drive the Banff-Jasper highway, but remember to gas-up in the cities. The one Saskatchewan crossing service station is a government-sanctioned robber. If you have a few hours in Canmore you might do the Grassi lakes hike to charming little lakes there. I would get out of Banff as fast as possible, and spend a day or so walking around Lake Louise and maybe the teahouse. I would definitely spend a little time at the Columbia Icefields, and if you have a few hours I would consider hiking the Wilcox trail just south of the Columbia icefields. If you have less time, maybe hike up Parker's ridge. Jasper is definitely worth the effort, a much more quaint town than Banff. Edith Cavelle mountain is worth the effort, and if you have time, there is a charming hike to fine meadows higher up. If you have more time, then the Yoho valley and maybe even Emerald lakes would be worth a go.
I know some outstanding landscape photographers, and the one unifying trait they all share is the willingness to put in the effort to get a great result. Unfortunately most of us fall down by trying to do the 'multitasking' family vacation. Professionals do the job very differently.
Dave
Alan Browne - 22 May 2007 14:56 GMT > result. Unfortunately most of us fall down by trying to do the > 'multitasking' family vacation. That was the photo -ve of my last year trip to Colorado and Utah. Nevertheless I did get some great photos, but I wasn't in right place/time to get fantastic photos.
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Eric Miller - 22 May 2007 16:39 GMT > I know some outstanding landscape photographers, and the one unifying > trait they all share is the willingness to put in the effort to get a > great result. Unfortunately most of us fall down by trying to do the > 'multitasking' family vacation. Professionals do the job very differently. > > Dave Thanks for the help. It will definitely be the "multitasking family vacation" but my wife likes to sleep late so there should be ample opportunity to get away early each day for a few hours. Is there a good camera shop in Banff?
Eric Miller
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 May 2007 21:02 GMT On May 22, 11:39 am, "Eric Miller" <millerericnos...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > I know some outstanding landscape photographers, and the one unifying > > trait they all share is the willingness to put in the effort to get a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Eric Miller The best place I know for photographic equipment is Vistek. It's located in Calgary, which is a bit of a drive from Banff, but it's worth the drive Eric. We have a Vistek here in Toronto and they are up to date on the newest photographic equpiment you can think of and their clientelle is of course professionals. They have a toll free number, don't know if it works in the US: 1-800-561-0333. Here is the website as well: www.vistek.ca Helen
Dave - 23 May 2007 06:46 GMT < Is there a good
>> camera shop in Banff?> >> >> Eric Miller > > The best place I know for photographic equipment is Vistek.> I like the guys at Vistek, but their prices do not match international competition very well. For top-line equipment, expect to pay 10-30% more, compared with B&H etc. For consumer camera equipment, prices may track better. Remember that we pay GST 6% on top of that, though in Alberta there is no sales tax. Compare their prices to B&H on the web before you put money down.
I wouldn't go to any camera store in Banff, except to buy batteries at a marked-up price. Even the food stores are more expensive than elsewhere. Remember that it is a vacation village, with all the trappings that come with it. There are loads of foreign tourists, who are compromised in their ability to be wise consumers, so prices are naturally higher. Also, rent and business expenses are higher, so the merchant passes those on to the consumer. Banff has no Walmart to drive all prices downward. I would get out of Banff as soon as you can.
You want to see more than the gift shops, and that takes lots more effort and planning. If you want to do a 'tourist thing' with the family, then the gondola up Sulphur mountain is a fun ride. You get to climb a mountain without the effort, surrounded by hundreds of others. The kids will have fun. There are some interesting dayhikes around Banff Springs hotel, sometimes with lots of Elk. I like the hikes around tunnel mountain, and you could climb to the top of that if you are enthusiastic and more adventurous. I do it when the wife wants to take the kids somewhere boring. There are hot springs in Banff, but the better hot springs are to the northeast of Jasper. Definitely worth a trip with the kids one day. Johnston's canyon is also an interesting dayhike.
Dave
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 May 2007 08:56 GMT On May 21, 4:13 pm, "Eric Miller" <millerericnos...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> OK, so I'm checking the long-term forecasts for my trip to the Canadian > Rockies and all seem to agree that when its not just cloudy, it will be [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Eric Millerwww.dyesscreek.com Eric, you are going to one of the most beautiful places in Canada. I envy you. I don't think there's any advice we could offer you that you don't already know. You can't rely on weather forecasts. I'm betting that you will get rainy days but I'm also confident knowing that you will get times when that sky is a gorgeous blue and the white puffy clouds will be amazing! I always found photographing flowers, plants, etc in overcast conditions to be great. The colors just pop and the contrast can be to your advantage. Be prepared and catch that once in a lifetime shot. Enjoy your trip and welcome to Canada! Helen
Alan Browne - 22 May 2007 14:50 GMT > OK, so I'm checking the long-term forecasts for my trip to the Canadian > Rockies and all seem to agree that when its not just cloudy, it will be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > maybe a particular filter or technique. Maybe the soaking wet animals will > at least be a bit more active and visible under those conditions. If the trees are wet, you can get a little more "pop" from them with a polarizer. This works fine in the fall, not sure for green folliage. I'm also not sure how well this works on stone and such.
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