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Canon 1DMKIII Question

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Annika1980 - 20 May 2007 19:20 GMT
Q.  At what aperture does the new 1DMKIII lose autofocus?

For example, my 20D (as well as the 5D, apparently) loses autofocus
past f/5.6, meaning that if you use the 400 f/5.6L with the 1.4x TC
you must manually focus (since the TC causes an effective focal length
of f.8).

My Fabulous EOS-1V, however, retains autofocus up to f.8.
Do any or all of the 1D series cameras share this feature?
Mardon - 21 May 2007 01:05 GMT
> Q.  At what aperture does the new 1DMKIII lose autofocus?

This article explains the answer to your question.  It's kind of
complicated.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E1DMK3/E1DMK3A4.HTM

As I read the article, the centre point sensor works as a full cross
sensor at f/4 and wider and as a horizontal-only sensor down to f8.
There are 18 other cross-type sensors and 26 "assist" sensors.   The
vertically sensitive arrays in the cross sensors work at f/2.8 and
wider.  The horizontally sensitive arrays in the cross sensors work at
f/5.6 or wider.  Read the article to see if you agree with my
conclusion.
Annika1980 - 21 May 2007 01:25 GMT
> > Q.  At what aperture does the new 1DMKIII lose autofocus?
>
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> f/5.6 or wider.  Read the article to see if you agree with my
> conclusion.

Yes, I think you summed it up.  The camera will focus at f/8 if the
center focus point is used.
Mark² - 21 May 2007 11:51 GMT
> Q.  At what aperture does the new 1DMKIII lose autofocus?
>
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> My Fabulous EOS-1V, however, retains autofocus up to f.8.
> Do any or all of the 1D series cameras share this feature?

All 1-Series Canons AF at f8...clear back to the 1V, plus the EOS 3.
That includes both film and digital.
Who drools???  :)

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William Graham - 21 May 2007 19:13 GMT
>> Q.  At what aperture does the new 1DMKIII lose autofocus?
>>
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> That includes both film and digital.
> Who drools???  :)

I realize that I know nothing about how autofocus works, but it strikes me
that the amount of light available would be important.....IOW, wouldn't f/8
or smaller be adequate if you were focusing on the sun? And wide open should
be inadequate if you were trying to focus in the dark........
   Just my rambling thoughts........
Paul Furman - 21 May 2007 21:26 GMT
>>>Q.  At what aperture does the new 1DMKIII lose autofocus?
>>>
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> be inadequate if you were trying to focus in the dark........
>     Just my rambling thoughts........

My Nikon D200, I don't think is rated for AF at f/8 but if I stack
teleconverters, an f/2.8 becomes 5.6 at 2x & I'm not sure where another
1.4x takes it but somewhere above f/8. Anyways the AF works fine in
daylight but the camera doesn't know it has two teleconverters, I had to
grid of some tabs preventing that because that's another thing which is
'not supposed to work'.

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Scott W - 22 May 2007 00:53 GMT
> >> Q.  At what aperture does the new 1DMKIII lose autofocus?
>
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> be inadequate if you were trying to focus in the dark........
>     Just my rambling thoughts........
Ok I am not going to say this well but more or less this is the deal.

With phase detection some light is taken from either the right and
left side or the top and bottom of the lens.  The further off center
you can sample from the lens the more accurate and faster the focusing
will be, but it does mean that the lens needs to be able to open up
enough so sampling areas of the lens are covered.

Think of a range finder but instead of two lenses set apart you use on
lens but use two parts of the lens set apart, this is how phase
detection auto-focus works.  If the lens can't open enough you can get
enough separation between the views.

Scott
William Graham - 22 May 2007 01:30 GMT
On May 21, 8:13 am, "William Graham" <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in
> messagenews:JQe4i.128550$Fk2.121075@newsfe08.phx...> Annika1980 wrote:
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> be inadequate if you were trying to focus in the dark........
>     Just my rambling thoughts........
Ok I am not going to say this well but more or less this is the deal.

With phase detection some light is taken from either the right and
left side or the top and bottom of the lens.  The further off center
you can sample from the lens the more accurate and faster the focusing
will be, but it does mean that the lens needs to be able to open up
enough so sampling areas of the lens are covered.

Think of a range finder but instead of two lenses set apart you use on
lens but use two parts of the lens set apart, this is how phase
detection auto-focus works.  If the lens can't open enough you can get
enough separation between the views.

Scott

Ah! - That makes sense....Thank you.
 
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