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Good format ?  Rule of Thirds.

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ben brugman - 03 Dec 2006 21:12 GMT
I saw the thread about rule of thirds.

Would this apply to formats as wel.
In general I like the 2:3 format better than the 3:4 format.

Should I adopt the 1:1.618 (Phi) format ?

Ben Brugman

Formats :

1           Square format (6x6 camera's)
1.25      Most TFT screen. (1024x1280)
1.333    3:4 tv and modern point and shoots.
1.5        35 mm format (2:3)
1.555    sub wide screen format (9:14)
1.618    Phi format  (Phi/1)
1.777    wide screen tv  (9:16)
2.618    phi format   (Phi/phi)

Maybe I should adopt the 1.618 format as general format.
(Only landscape I should think).
Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Dec 2006 23:27 GMT
> Should I adopt the 1:1.618 (Phi) format ?

Why?  The format should fit the subject, not
vice versa.

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Paul Furman - 04 Dec 2006 00:58 GMT
> I saw the thread about rule of thirds.
>
> Would this apply to formats as well.

I guess so. I mean if it's a pleasing ratio, why not use it for framing.
I tend to crop while maintaining the strict ratio of the original just
so they match in a set but I almost admire folks who crop each shot
freely as the shot demands. I think I would go nuts doing that (never
satisfied). It could be fun to have every shot framed different though.

> In general I like the 2:3 format better than the 3:4 format.

I agree and it might be nice to do an even wider 1:1.618 it is a
noticeably wider format.

> Should I adopt the 1:1.618 (Phi) format ?
>
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> Maybe I should adopt the 1.618 format as general format.
> (Only landscape I should think).
Bandicoot - 04 Dec 2006 22:35 GMT
> > I saw the thread about rule of thirds.
> >
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> freely as the shot demands. I think I would go nuts doing that (never
> satisfied). It could be fun to have every shot framed different though.

I feel that this is the way to go to make the 'perfect' shape for each shot,
ideally determined when it is exposed.  But it gets incredibly costly on
framing, and it turns out that while gallery sales, where the buyer actually
looks at a framed print on the wall before buying, work like this, sales off
the page are much easier if one sticks to a range of more or less standard
sizes.  And commercial work often gets cropped by the end user anyway, so
that often has to get shot with some extra space around it.  As always, the
counsel of perfection can be applied in real life only some of the time...

Peter
Paul Furman - 05 Dec 2006 01:20 GMT
>>>I saw the thread about rule of thirds.
>>>
>>>Would this apply to formats as well.
>>
>>I guess so. I mean if it's a pleasing ratio, why not use it for framing.

You know, the golden section diagram with the spiraling series of
squares only works in that format. You could take the ratio for
positioning horizonally or vertically but those two don't work together
really. So I wonder if it's even meaningful in a square frame, for example.

>>I tend to crop while maintaining the strict ratio of the original just
>>so they match in a set but I almost admire folks who crop each shot
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>
> Peter
Bandicoot - 06 Dec 2006 00:52 GMT
> >>>I saw the thread about rule of thirds.
> >>>
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> together really. So I wonder if it's even meaningful in a square
> frame, for example.

It does work in a square, but square is 'the other' format where thirds also
work well, as they do in the 2:3 ratio.  Personally I find a 'linear'
subject not as pleasing on the third as on the GS in a square, but a 'point'
subject works very well on the intersection of the thirds.  I'm sure you
appreciate what a generalisation that is though - I compose for what looks
good, not to a set of rules, though the 'rules' are useful to know.

Peter
Colin_D - 04 Dec 2006 04:21 GMT
> I saw the thread about rule of thirds.
>
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>
> Ben Brugman

It's a matter of personal choice, IMO.  1:1.618 is not bad for
landscapes, but it's too narrow for vertical shots.  Read the thread
above (What makes the "rule of thirds" work?) for extensive - and biased
- discussion on thirds vs. Golden Section.  After that, do what suits you.

Colin D.

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