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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / December 2006Film Availability
The amount of both Kodak and Fuji film on the shelves at Wal-Mart, Target, etc seems down from last year, but there are still a large number of single use cameras on the racks. Convenience and grocery stores still sell film and the amount of rack space doesn't seem to have changed as much as the discount stores. Wal-Mart no longer has slide film. Back when I was doing food photography, they were my source for Sensia. After a couple of years of use, my Elan 7N is still going strong. I use it mainly for table-top still lifes and city-scapes. I opened a gift shop a few months ago and I'm selling my own work, a gratifying experience. I'll continue to use film for those applications, but I'm warming up to digital. My gift shop is in an historic district frequented by camera toting tourists, and I've been amazed not only at the proportion of digital to film cameras, but who is using digital. Little old ladies are using digital cameras. Maybe growing old with cell phones and PCs has made them more adaptive to change. Digital cameras are probably easier for them because they don't have to fumble around with film. I've downloaded a couple of DSLR manuals and I might get a Canon body within the next few months, but there is no pressing need. The longer you wait, the more bang you get for your buck. If I have any questions, I can always find a little old lady to give me a hand. SW > The amount of both Kodak and Fuji film on the shelves at Wal-Mart, Target, > etc seems down from last year, but there are still a large number of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > SW And your point is . . . ? Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, except for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no longer using film. That does not mean that film is dead. It merely means that Wal-Mart isn't selling much of it. > And your point is . . . ? > > Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, except > for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no longer using > film. The "Great Unwashed in America"? To Whom are you referring anyway?  SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 >> And your point is . . . ? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > To Whom are you referring anyway? > You certainly can't say that American brains aren't washed... ;-) >> And your point is . . . ? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > To Whom are you referring anyway? Not me....I showered just last night........ And I KNOW he didn't mean this Disablied Vitnam Vet. SignatureThere are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens. The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info The Church of Eternity http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html >> And your point is . . . ? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > To Whom are you referring anyway? There's a photo store down the road from me and I can get all kinds of film there. It's far from being dead. SignatureThere are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens. The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info The Church of Eternity http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html >> The amount of both Kodak and Fuji film on the shelves at Wal-Mart, >> Target, etc seems down from last year, but there are still a large number [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > That does not mean that film is dead. It merely means that Wal-Mart isn't > selling much of it. > And your point is . . . ? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That does not mean that film is dead. It merely means that Wal-Mart isn't > selling much of it. "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. >> And your point is . . . ? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. That should be "ash", shouldn't it? This is a tongue-in-cheek term for the common man, and shouldn't be taken too seriously...... >> "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. >> > That should be "ash", shouldn't it? > > This is a tongue-in-cheek term for the common man, and shouldn't be taken > too seriously...... We know what it means ... and it is clearly derrogatory. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 >>> "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > We know what it means ... and it is clearly derrogatory. How about, "Tongue in cheek"? - Do you know what that means? >>>> "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > How about, "Tongue in cheek"? - Do you know what that means? Tongue in cheek does not have to be derrogatory. His was. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 >>>>> "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tongue in cheek does not have to be derrogatory. His was. You are much too judgmental and over-sensitive. I was not directing any insult toward any identifiable segment of people. You really should look up the word "sarcasm" in the dictionary. > You are much too judgmental and over-sensitive. I was not directing any > insult toward any identifiable segment of people. You really should look up > the word "sarcasm" in the dictionary. No identifiable segment? Not the poor ones? SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 >> You are much too judgmental and over-sensitive. I was not directing any >> insult toward any identifiable segment of people. You really should look >> up >> the word "sarcasm" in the dictionary. > > No identifiable segment? Not the poor ones? I was NOT referring to "Poor People," I was referring to the ones that had little knowledge of photo technique, and who didn't really care about learning. >>> You are much too judgmental and over-sensitive. I was not directing any >>> insult toward any identifiable segment of people. You really should look [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > little knowledge of photo technique, and who didn't really care about > learning. So, you are saying that "The Great Unwashed" refers to photographers with little knowledge of photo technique. Somehow, I doubt that is what the term refers to. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 > So, you are saying that "The Great Unwashed" refers to photographers with > little knowledge of photo technique. Somehow, I doubt that is what the > term > refers to. This was why I suggested that Wal-Mart was installing a public shower room near their photographic department.....:^) On another list, I suggested that the great unwashed masses have Thomal Kinkaid's hanging on their walls, but we elete's hang Van Gogh's. >>>"the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > We know what it means ... and it is clearly derrogatory. Sure, derrogatory. Also, in context, more along cynical humour lines, a bit on the mean side, but not to be taken too seriously either. If you feel targetted however... Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >>>> "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bit on the mean side, but not to be taken too seriously either. If you > feel targetted however... Well, targeted derogatory statements are common here in the lower 48. Or the continental contiguous 48 in case someone wants to point out that the Hawaiian islands are south of Florida. Besides, I thought the term originated downunder as a poke at the Brits who did not bathe as often as the Strines, and could be derogatory or friendly, depending. SignatureJohn McWilliams >>> "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > We know what it means ... and it is clearly derrogatory. Is it? Why? Quoted from Edward Bulwer-Lytton, I believe. Dictionary.com defines it as –noun the general public; the populace or masses. With no mention of any derogatory meaning. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=great+unwashed > With no mention of any derogatory meaning. > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=great+unwashed Bonehead, as a description for you, is not derogatory either. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 >> With no mention of any derogatory meaning. >> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=great+unwashed > > Bonehead, as a description for you, is not derogatory either. That's nice. >> With no mention of any derogatory meaning. >> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=great+unwashed > > Bonehead, as a description for you, is not derogatory either. Sounds like you've got personality problems you need to resolve matey. "Richard Polhill" <richard.news@polhill.vispa.invalid> wrote in message news:ec722 > Sounds like you've got personality problems you need to resolve matey. Beware of falling into that trap. To quote from Ken Rockwell: "Look at any forum on any subject from art to zebras, and you'll see many who spend more time calling each other stupid than discussing the topic. Many who live in these forums take more pleasure in hurling epithets than in discussing the topic. As any high-school psychology student knows, these guys are confirming Freud's observations that all human action is based on making oneself feel important." http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/2-kinds-of-photographers.htm And, to anyone that suggests that the sentiments are invalid, strictly because of who expressed them I offer no apologies. >> With no mention of any derogatory meaning. >> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=great+unwashed > > Bonehead, as a description for you, is not derogatory either. Why steer the discussion along these lines? Now you are using derogatory words and associating them with a specific individual. Let it rest, already. >> And your point is . . . ? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > "the Great Unwahsed in America"... you are indeed an a.s. And You are, indeed, plonked! > Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, > except for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no > longer using film. "The Great Unwashed," I love it! But what's so great about them? - Still Clean Al. SignatureTo reply, insert dash in address to match domain below Online photo gallery at www.wading-in.net > "The Great Unwashed," I love it! But what's so great about them? The sheer amount of the dirty SOB's. ;-] >> Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, >> except for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Still Clean Al. >> "The Great Unwashed," I love it! But what's so great about them? > > The sheer amount of the dirty SOB's. ;-] I understand that Wal-Mart is considering the installation of showers near their front entrances....They are always on the lookout for a way to make a few extra dollars...... >>> "The Great Unwashed," I love it! But what's so great about them? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >their front entrances....They are always on the lookout for a way to make a >few extra dollars...... I've always wondered why "The Great Unwashed" always wait to get to Wal-Mart to beat their children (?) I remain, one that does NOT shop at Wal-Mart, and encourage others to do the same, RP© >>>> "The Great Unwashed," I love it! But what's so great about them? >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > RP© Well, If you can afford to shop anywhere you want, then that's a pretty shallow attitude. There are some however, who can't afford to shop anywhere else. I was kind of pissed at some big station anchor man who makes over a million a year when he sanctimoniously said that he, "refuses to shop at Wal-Mart." good for him, maby he doesn't want a lot of made in red china goods. SignatureThere are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens. The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info The Church of Eternity http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html >>>>> "The Great Unwashed," I love it! But what's so great about them? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > makes over a million a year when he sanctimoniously said that he, "refuses > to shop at Wal-Mart." > good for him, maby he doesn't want a lot of made in red china goods. "Red" China? are we still calling it red China? I did not know that. Anyway I would like to challenge anyone to live here and not shop at Wal-Mart, pretty much impossible. I may not like Wal-Mart but around here often they are the only choice. Scott I got there maybe once a month if at all, this month will be a no show as I just came from the market and spending almost $90 for my monthy supplys, so the takes away the need to go to wal-mart and I live on a fixed income too. SignatureThere are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens. The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info The Church of Eternity http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html >> good for him, maby he doesn't want a lot of made in red china goods. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Scott >> good for him, maby he doesn't want a lot of made in red china goods. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I may not like Wal-Mart but around here often they are the only choice. Come to da Mainland, bra'a; you no go Walmart no mo. <s> john mcwilliams > >> good for him, maby he doesn't want a lot of made in red china goods. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Come to da Mainland, bra'a; you no go Walmart no mo. Yeah sure on mainland I no go but here what if I need dakine? then I got to go to Wal-Mart. Scott When I lived on Oahu I didn't use the wal marts there either. SignatureThere are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens. The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info The Church of Eternity http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html >> >> good for him, maby he doesn't want a lot of made in red china goods. >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Scott > When I lived on Oahu I didn't use the wal marts there either. There are at least two Costcos there. Much better place to shop. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com > > When I lived on Oahu I didn't use the wal marts there either. > > There are at least two Costcos there. Much better place to shop. We have a Costco here and will getting everything we can there as it is much better then Wal-Mart. But Costco does not carrry everything that you might need. As an example my DVD burner went out on my computer and I needed another one, whereas Costco sometimes has DVD burners at this time they did not, I went out of my way to check at Costco before giving in and buying at Wal-Mart. You need a USB 2 hub, Costco may or may not have it at any given time but Wal-Mart will have it all the time. FWIW we spend about $20 at Costco for every $1 spent at Wal-Mart, but still we find ourselves going to Wal-Mart a fair bit, as does everyone else in town. Scott >> > When I lived on Oahu I didn't use the wal marts there either. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Scott Yes.....My wife and I call Wal-Mart a "$100 store", because we usually spend less than $100 whenever we go there. We also have a Costco, but we call that a "$300" store.....:^) For my photo grear, the shop down near the then new HPD cental station wasn't bad, and I also went to the two shops on the Ft.Street mall too. SignatureThere are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens. The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info The Church of Eternity http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html >> When I lived on Oahu I didn't use the wal marts there either. > > There are at least two Costcos there. Much better place to shop. > > rafe b > www.terrapinphoto.com > For my photo grear, the shop down near the then new HPD cental station > wasn't bad, and I also went to the two shops on the Ft.Street mall too. Unless Costco has it I can get photo gear cheaper ordering from B&H and paying the shipping then I can locally. Scott >> When I lived on Oahu I didn't use the wal marts there either. > > There are at least two Costcos there. Much better place to shop. > > rafe b > www.terrapinphoto.com If you can justify the membership. Fine for family's that can buy in bulk occasionally, but doesn't do it for a single guy who eats out a lot. > When I lived on Oahu I didn't use the wal marts there either. If I lived on Oahu I would not shop at them either, but I live on the Big Island on the Kona side. Scott > good for him, maby he doesn't want a lot of made in red china goods. Doesn't really matter where you shop, that's all you're likely to find now-a-days. Or "made in some third-world hellhole sweatshop" goods. >> Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, >> except for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Still Clean Al. Great as in "there's lots of 'em". It's 19th century literary slang referring to working & agricultural people who didn't have access to indoor plumbing. Many bathed twice a year; in the fall when they donned their winter underwear and in the spring when they took it off again. That's because the lower income classes had to go to some location that had bathtubs (often quite literally a galvanized washing tub) and pay for hot water and the use thereof. Many didn't have running water in their homes. There was also a fear that bathing caused sickness. Probably not altogether irrational when working people had to share bath water with strangers. Many rural parts of the US didn't get indoor plumbing until the 1960s (one of the benefits of rural electrification actually ... electricity to run well pumps that could supply running water and power hot water heaters). >>> Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, >>> except for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of the benefits of rural electrification actually ... electricity to run > well pumps that could supply running water and power hot water heaters). What is the big deal? Has no one ever heard that phrase before? I was referring to unsophisticated consumer amateur users, and I used a euphemism in a comical way. The comment was directed at no one in particular. Had I called him "Joe Sixpack" would that have generated so many responses? Jeez, chill out already! "jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.com> wrote in message news:VfJbh.12292> What is the big deal? Has no one ever heard that phrase before? I was > referring to unsophisticated consumer amateur users, and I used a > euphemism in a comical way. The comment was directed at no one in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jeez, chill out already! To paraphrase FDR, you can not insult some of the people all the time, and all the people some of the time, but it is impossible to not insult all the people all the time........:^) > To paraphrase FDR, you can not insult some of the people all the time, and > all the people some of the time, but it is impossible to not insult all > the people all the time........:^) You're paraphrasing Lincoln. SW >> To paraphrase FDR, you can not insult some of the people all the time, >> and all the people some of the time, but it is impossible to not insult [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SW Errrrr....Right you are....... > "jeremy" <jeremy@nospam.com> wrote in message news:VfJbh.12292> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > all the people some of the time, but it is impossible to not insult all the > people all the time........:^) Yer' syntax is as mangled as yer' history. It was Abraham Lincoln who said ... "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time." >>>> Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, >>>> except for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Had I called him "Joe Sixpack" would that have generated so many responses? Probably. >>>>> Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, >>>>> except for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Probably. Wal-Mart doesn't sell beer. But after reading this thread, they have decided to install their new shower facilities next to the photo department...... > Wal-Mart doesn't sell beer. But after reading this thread, they have > decided to install their new shower facilities next to the photo > department...... Any special offers on showers, so one can bring the whole family for a set price with soap, toothpaste, deodorant, shampoo, toe nail clippers and stuff like that? will digital cameras be installed in the shower booths and prints provided afterwards, as to immortalise the Wal-Mart complete body hygiene experience? >>>>>> Wal-Mart caters to the mass consumer market. We already know that, >>>>>> except for single-use cameras, the Great Unwashed in America are no [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > decided to install their new shower facilities next to the photo > department...... > Wal-Mart doesn't sell beer. http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/News/2005/08/25/Wal_Mart_s_Beer_Permit/ind ex.shtml http://www.wakeupwalmart.com/news/20050819-pdr.html Many do but they have to fight through local/state regs to do so. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. >> Wal-Mart doesn't sell beer. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Many do but they have to fight through local/state regs to do so. Yes....I forgot about the, "Super Wal-Marts" they contain full bore grocery stores, and they do carry beer.....They just upgraded a couple of their stores to, "super" status here in Salem a couple of years ago.....The one I usually deal with (because I pass by it once a week) is not a super store, so it still doesn't carry it. > The amount of both Kodak and Fuji film on the shelves at Wal-Mart, Target, > etc seems down from last year, but there are still a large number of single [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > your buck. If I have any questions, I can always find a little old lady to > give me a hand. Invest a few dollars and read the Koran. > SW Na, just go to ebay, tons of bulk film being sold. SignatureThere are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltechs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the heavens. The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info The Church of Eternity http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html >> The amount of both Kodak and Fuji film on the shelves at Wal-Mart, >> Target, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> SW >Na, just go to ebay, tons of bulk film being sold. I have no problem obtaining film. Getting it developed is beginning to be a challenge. In my local area, at least 4 labs in the last year (and one just this week) have stopped processing E-6 and traditional black and white or have gone out of business entirely. The lab nearest to me has shifted to one-shot HC-110 and no longer does traditional analog enlargements. And if anyone knows of a place that can still handle 70mm Tech Pan, please tell me. I've got 40' of the stuff I'm afraid to shoot. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. >>Na, just go to ebay, tons of bulk film being sold. > > I have no problem obtaining film. Getting it developed is beginning to > be a challenge. I still have all of my darkroom equipment, including a JOBO processor, that I haven't touched in a few years. I've been thinking of doing some traditional B&W darkroom work while I can still get the chemistry locally. For now, I'll probably just develop and scan the film, but maybe I'll be bitten by the bug and enlarge some prints. SW >I still have all of my darkroom equipment, including a JOBO processor, that >I haven't touched in a few years. I've been thinking of doing some >traditional B&W darkroom work while I can still get the chemistry locally. >For now, I'll probably just develop and scan the film, but maybe I'll be >bitten by the bug and enlarge some prints. I'm not sure I could go that way even if I wanted to. Local law would require off-site disposal of the spent chemicals, and I don't know of anyone offering that service at a reasonable cost. I do have access to "somebody else's darkroom," but so far I've been able to avoid imposing on them. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. |
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