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(Novembre, 27th) Picture of the Week

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Daniel Rocha - 27 Nov 2006 08:10 GMT
Hello,

The picture of the week, as often in b&w, here
http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine.

Paris is a romantic town, and I'm very romantic.

Regards,

--
<> Daniel Rocha | Photographie <>
http://www.monochromatique.com
Annika1980 - 27 Nov 2006 13:53 GMT
> The picture of the week, as often in b&w, here
> http://www.monochromatique.com/photosemaine.
>
> Paris is a romantic town, and I'm very romantic.

UGGGHHH!  What a mess!
High contrast crap at it's finest.

Lovingly yours,
-Annika

P.S.  Is it just me or does the color seem to be just a wee bit off in
that one?
Draco - 27 Nov 2006 14:47 GMT
> Hello,
>
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> <> Daniel Rocha | Photographie <>
>  http://www.monochromatique.com

Daniel,
 This one leaves me cold. It doesn't have
your normal flare to the image. You are
not showing the passion of Paris. Nor
showing the romance of the city. Just
some passing art work on the back of
a bus. Now if you had two lovers in
an embrace under the heart...

Keep at it Daniel. You can do better. We've
seen that you can.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
daniel.rocha@free.fr - 27 Nov 2006 16:34 GMT
Draco a ?crit :
>   This one leaves me cold. It doesn't have
>  your normal flare to the image. You are
> not showing the passion of Paris.

It's not the goal !

> Nor
> showing the romance of the city. Just
> some passing art work on the back of
> a bus. Now if you had two lovers in
> an embrace under the heart...

Right. Showing passion, love, can not be done
in different ways.I do not want to show it in
one way. I want to show an idea.

> Keep at it Daniel. You can do better. We've
> seen that you can.

For me better is not showing every time people
together, to show love. For me better is to show
it, in different ways. :)

For example another way to show it :
http://www.monochromatique.com/danslesbois/danslesbois09.html

Thanks for your opinion, Draco.

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<> Daniel Rocha | Photographie <>
http://www.monochromatique.com

William Graham - 28 Nov 2006 06:46 GMT
<> Daniel Rocha | Photographie <>
http://www.monochromatique.com

Daniel, are you by any chance related to the National Geographic
photographer Sergio Brandt Rocha?
William Graham - 28 Nov 2006 07:14 GMT
> <> Daniel Rocha | Photographie <>
> http://www.monochromatique.com
>
> Daniel, are you by any chance related to the National Geographic
> photographer Sergio Brandt Rocha?

See:
http://seabed.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/wallpaper2.tmpl?issue_id=20060201
Annika1980 - 28 Nov 2006 14:04 GMT
> Daniel, are you by any chance related to the National Geographic
> photographer Sergio Brandt Rocha?

I kinda doubt it.
Draco - 28 Nov 2006 14:35 GMT
> Right. Showing passion, love, can not be done
> in different ways.I do not want to show it in
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>
> Thanks for your opinion, Draco.

Great example of showing the lasting effects
of romance. Showing two souls intertwined in
the bark of a growing thing. Yes, this shows
love. Show the idea of passion. Show the idea
of love. The warmth. The strength. The ever lasting
committment of two to each other. No matter
how fleeting the moment.
  The image of the back of the bus, motor carridge
or motorhome or what ever that thing was didn't
convay the passion of romance. The strength of
love. It was a nice piece of airbrush work that
the owner may have felt displayed something.
What, I'm not sure.

 Daniel shoot what you have the need to shoot.
Don't let me or any one else sway you away from
your vision of photography.

Keep at it and never give up.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 28 Nov 2006 14:46 GMT
> > Right. Showing passion, love, can not be done
> > in different ways.I do not want to show it in
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>
> Getting even isn't good enough.

> Great example of showing the lasting effects
> of romance. Showing two souls intertwined in
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> committment of two to each other. No matter
> how fleeting the moment.

Very touching post Draco. Nice to know there really ARE guys out there
who are romantic.

>   Daniel shoot what you have the need to shoot.
> Don't let me or any one else sway you away from
> your vision of photography.
>
> Keep at it and never give up

Inspiring advice for all of us.  
Helen
Draco - 28 Nov 2006 15:59 GMT
> > > Right. Showing passion, love, can not be done
> > > in different ways.I do not want to show it in
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> Inspiring advice for all of us.
> Helen

People have said that I'm a bit "touched" in the head.
Thanks for the kind words Ms Helen. It was
not my original thought to keep true to
your own vision of photography or anything
else you do. I don't know who said it first
or when. Just I remember the line in Shakespeare,
"To thine own self be true."
 As being a romantic...maybe so. But my wife
would never admit that I was.

Have a great week,

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
jeremy - 28 Nov 2006 14:50 GMT
"Draco" <JPDFDA@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message

>  Daniel shoot what you have the need to shoot.
> Don't let me or any one else sway you away from
> your vision of photography.
>
> Keep at it and never give up.

Exactly.

It is a shame that there are those people lurking in the shadows, ready to
attack someone else's work.  These spoilers exist everywhere, not just in
photographic circles.

I thought that the photo of the couple embracing was quite erotic.  And the
absence of color was a good thing because it did not distract from the
subject.  I had shot exclusively in color for 35 years, and I just began
experimenting with B&W from my digital camera, and I've been intrigued by
the results.  Sometimes, having to focus only upon shadows and tone forces
one to study the photo more.  Somewhat like comparing a pen-and-ink sketch
against a colorful oil painting.

The mere fact that B&W images are off the beaten path these days makes them
interesting.  I'm gratified to see that some people are not blindly
following the crowd.
Draco - 28 Nov 2006 15:49 GMT
> "Draco" <JPDFDA@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
> >
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> interesting.  I'm gratified to see that some people are not blindly
> following the crowd.

Thanks for the kind words. Keep shooting in color
but, when you edit them in photoshop or what
ever program you use. Go to the color edit
section and de-saturate. Then you will have
a "black and white" image. Simple? Yup.

Keep shooting and enjoying photography.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
jeremy - 28 Nov 2006 17:02 GMT
"Draco" <JPDFDA@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message >

> Thanks for the kind words. Keep shooting in color
> but, when you edit them in photoshop or what
> ever program you use. Go to the color edit
> section and de-saturate. Then you will have
> a "black and white" image. Simple? Yup.

I first became interested in B&W a couple of years ago, when I was shooting
a neighborhood park just before the onset of a major snowstorm.  The sky was
severely overcast, it was dark gray-blue and the cloud cover was very thick.
The shots showed just the first dusting of snow, but the colors of the trees
and foliage were awful.  Everything had a purplish cast, and I thought that
the images were just too poor to print.

Then the thought occurred to me to get rid of the color entirely.  The
results were amazing.  I warmed up the blacks just a bit, rather than keep
everything in pure grayscale.  Not sepia by any means, but just a very "dark
brown" as opposed to pure black.  I saw that park in an entirely different
way.

When I was much younger, I had the impression that B&W was "old fashioned,"
just like B&W movies, and that color was the more modern, and better, way to
make images.  I had not shot a roll of B&W in well over 35 years.  Having
rediscovered B&W, through my digital camera, of all things, I keep on
experimenting with it.  Perhaps that is why I appreciate Daniel's B&W
images.  They have less distraction.  The brain is forced to contemplate the
subject, rather than look at the background scenery.  Perhaps it's the
minimalist in me, but I think that such images are more "pure."  I read a
quote awhile back to the effect that "color was obscene."  I am beginning to
see that there is a grain of truth in that statement.

I had previously been fascinated by well-saturated colors in my photographs,
and the advent of the digital darkroom served to further my ability to
produce prints where the colors seemed as they were about to jump right off
the paper.  Now I am reorienting myself toward less-saturated, muted colors.
I hadn't realized just how much the saturation level of color could change
an otherwise identical image.

I've been looking at color in everyday objects and I am coming to the
conclusion that the color that we produce in our prints is not
representative of the way color actually appears to the eye in real life.
My prints had been oversaturated.

There are times when color can become so much of a distraction that it
defeats the purpose of the image.  I need to get some books on the classic
B&W photographers and study their styles.  Sometimes less is actually more.
Annika1980 - 28 Nov 2006 19:53 GMT
> Perhaps it's the
> minimalist in me, but I think that such images are more "pure."  I read a
> quote awhile back to the effect that "color was obscene."  I am beginning to
> see that there is a grain of truth in that statement.

Do you see in color or B/W?  Why do you think that is?
Draco - 28 Nov 2006 20:52 GMT
> > Perhaps it's the
> > minimalist in me, but I think that such images are more "pure."  I read a
> > quote awhile back to the effect that "color was obscene."  I am beginning to
> > see that there is a grain of truth in that statement.
>
> Do you see in color or B/W?  Why do you think that is?

Color is very important in the real world. It
helps identify friend from foe. Mate from
competitor. Dangerous from safe. While
color photography yields wonderful images,
some times the photographer wants to make
an image that draws the viewer into the image.
Some photographers love shooting in B&W for
the very reason to bring a feeling to the viewer
other than,"Oh what a pretty image. Look at
the color."
 I am not saying that color photography is
obscene nor that it is for those who can't think
beyond bright colors. Sometimes the colors
define and improve an image. Sometimes not.

 So just because we see in color, do we always
have to produce or capture images in color? I don't
think so and I don't shoot all in black and white.

Just my two cents Bret. Keep shooting and posting.
I admire your work as well as others. No matter if they
are in Color or Black and White.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
Annika1980 - 28 Nov 2006 22:57 GMT
> > > Perhaps it's the
> > > minimalist in me, but I think that such images are more "pure."  I read a
> > > quote awhile back to the effect that "color was obscene."  I am beginning to
> > > see that there is a grain of truth in that statement.
> >
>   I am not saying that color photography is obscene......

Oh, I thought that's what you said.
Draco - 29 Nov 2006 13:58 GMT
> > > > Perhaps it's the
> > > > minimalist in me, but I think that such images are more "pure."  I read a
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>
> Oh, I thought that's what you said.

Hmmm, an apology from Annika1980? Not
sure. I' ve had my say in this matter.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
Annika1980 - 29 Nov 2006 16:39 GMT
> > > > > Perhaps it's the
> > > > > minimalist in me, but I think that such images are more "pure."  I read a
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> Hmmm, an apology from Annika1980? Not
> sure. I' ve had my say in this matter.

I wasn't apologizing (as if!).
I was pointing out the discrepancies in your two statements.
First you said there was a grain of truth in the statement that color
was obscene.
Then you said that claimed that you were saying something different.
Stop straddling the fence.  You'll hurt your balls.
Draco - 29 Nov 2006 17:30 GMT
> I wasn't apologizing (as if!).
> I was pointing out the discrepancies in your two statements.
> First you said there was a grain of truth in the statement that color
> was obscene.
> Then you said that claimed that you were saying something different.
> Stop straddling the fence.  You'll hurt your balls.

Here is what I said,
"...  I am not saying that color photography is
obscene nor that it is for those who can't think
beyond bright colors. Sometimes the colors
define and improve an image. Sometimes not...",
in response to Jeremy's post.  My statements
do show the both sides of the argument and
for "Some People" each side is correct.
It is a matter of opinion and not something written
in stone that must be obeyed by all. So
Annika1980, enjoy your shooting and I will enjoy
the images you produce.
 As for my balls, they are no concern of yours.
For they belong to my wife. As I'm sure your
wife owns yours.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
Bob Hickey - 16 Dec 2006 18:11 GMT
> "Draco" <JPDFDA@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in message
> The mere fact that B&W images are off the beaten path these days makes them
> interesting.  I'm gratified to see that some people are not blindly
> following the crowd.
>
>                                  They used to say: If it's no good make it
big. If it's still no good, make it in color. The color then becomes the
content; sometimes the only content. With all the arguing about the law of
1/3s vs. the golden something, the winner is Velvia; Dig the greens. But
color stuff has a very short life span. There's a lotta "wows" that go with
color, but the B/Ws hang on the walls and the color winds up in a shoebox.
Bob Hickey
Nicholas O. Lindan - 16 Dec 2006 19:47 GMT
> There's a lotta "wows" that go with
> color, but the B/Ws hang on the walls
> and the color winds up in a shoebox.

True, true...

I was just thinking, the paintings hanging on the walls
aren't in brilliant colors, they are subdued and subtle.
Think back to the last time you walked through an art
museum.

The obsession with saturation is, why?

Signature

Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

Frank ess - 27 Nov 2006 17:35 GMT
>> Hello,
>>
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>  This one leaves me cold. It doesn't have
> your normal flare to the image.

Flair. He means "flair".

I get the message: Paris is romantic; coldly, calculatedly romantic,
like a glossy advert campaign.

I'd still like to see Daniel's photos at about a third or a half
increased long dimension; I always look to see what's there, and if it
is interesting I want to look closer. If I can't, I leave almost
immediately.

Signature

Frank ess

Draco - 28 Nov 2006 14:09 GMT
> >> Hello,
> >>
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> is interesting I want to look closer. If I can't, I leave almost
> immediately.

Frank,
 Ooops. Thanks for the correction. I see what
you are saying about Daniel's image. I guess
I'm too romantic to see it.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
 
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