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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / November 2006Best Bird Photo........
...... I've seen. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3467631 Not shot. Cody, http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks > ...... I've seen. > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3467631 > Not shot. Based on the lighting, this appears to be a studio shot, or at least a captive bird shot. Light is coming up from underneath the bird...  SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > Based on the lighting, this appears to be a studio shot, or at least a > captive bird shot. > Light is coming up from underneath the bird... Certainly looks captive to me. Lovely photo. >> Based on the lighting, this appears to be a studio shot, or at least >> a captive bird shot. >> Light is coming up from underneath the bird... >> > Certainly looks captive to me. Lovely photo. If you look at the other bird images from this photog, they are tethered at the foot. Yes, it's a nice image, but that's like shooting fish in a barrel... SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > If you look at the other bird images from this photog, they are > tethered at the foot. > Yes, it's a nice image, but that's like shooting fish in a barrel... LOL! Your bird was perched for three hours and yet you still didn't pull off a single shot that was worth keeping. I did enjoy the excuses you came up with in that conversation. Rita >> If you look at the other bird images from this photog, they are >> tethered at the foot. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > off a single shot that was worth keeping. I did enjoy the excuses you came > up with in that conversation. I remember seeing that. Give the man credit for trying. I bet he was really excited and wasn't thinking clearly. It happens. >>> If you look at the other bird images from this photog, they are >>> tethered at the foot. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I remember seeing that. Give the man credit for trying. I bet he was > really excited and wasn't thinking clearly. It happens. Rita continues to demonstrate his failure to understood that scenario. Had Rita been at the scene, his sentiments would be different (or, he'd just solidify the fact that he never understood that when your subject is 6 or 7 stops darker than the background, your choices are limited). SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>>> If you look at the other bird images from this photog, they are >>>> tethered at the foot. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Rita continues to demonstrate his failure to understood that > scenario. And you continue to respond to a pervert whose every post is a metaphoric hand-in-its-panties. SignatureFrank ess "reSIST the URGE to exPLAIN" —Screenwriter and Oscar nominee in an AOL chatroom >>>>> If you look at the other bird images from this photog, they are >>>>> tethered at the foot. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > And you continue to respond to a pervert whose every post is a > metaphoric hand-in-its-panties. ? I know he's an a.s...but a pervert too? Rita is in my klink file. I only see his posts through Bret or others... SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >> Based on the lighting, this appears to be a studio shot, or at least >> a captive bird shot. >> Light is coming up from underneath the bird... >> > Certainly looks captive to me. Lovely photo. Probably so, but you have to admit he nailed the light correctly and was able to get perfect balance between subject and background. This great photo definitely trumps the one a gentleman in here posted a while black claiming his bird shot was in the wild and that he had to run back to his house and get the camera. Now, that's how you take a bird shot, Mark. Rita Rita ? Berkowitz wrote: > Probably so, but you have to admit he nailed the light correctly and was > able to get perfect balance between subject and background. This great > photo definitely trumps the one a gentleman in here posted a while black > claiming his bird shot was in the wild and that he had to run back to his > house and get the camera. Now, that's how you take a bird shot, Mark. There is something to be said for the satisfaction gained by shooting birds in the wild, especially when you have to climb a tree with all your camera gear to do it. For example, last week I got this shot of a bald eagle: http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70369639 Now I know it isn't the greatest bald eagle shot in the world, but it was quite an accomplishment for me considering how rarely I see them in the wild. And when I do see them I'm usually at least 700-1000 yards away. I know of at least one captive bald eagle that I can go and photograph any day, but what's the thrill in that? I get much joy from the rare instance when I can capture an eagle in flight, especially from above. As for the eagle shot in question, I liked it a lot even though it is heavily oversharpened. But it was a great capture. PW's point was that you can expect to get great captures when you're shooting fish in a barrel or birds that can't fly off. >> Probably so, but you have to admit he nailed the light correctly and >> was able to get perfect balance between subject and background. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > birds in the wild, especially when you have to climb a tree with all > your camera gear to do it. Oh, absolutely! I couldn't agree more with the thrill and excitement one would have doing so. I was just pointing out when you have a "wild" bird perched for three hours that you know isn't going anywhere and you have time to run back to your house for your gear there really isn't that much difference than shooting a bird in captivity. For me in this situation, after 1 minute and 49 seconds the thrill would have dissipated. That said, there's no excuse for a poor shot. > For example, last week I got this shot of a bald eagle: > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70369639 And it is what it is. It is still a nice shot of a bird in the wild that you only had a split second to capture. It's obvious that you have reached the technical limits of your equipment you had in that instance, but it doesn't detract from what the shot is. > Now I know it isn't the greatest bald eagle shot in the world, but it > was quite an accomplishment for me considering how rarely I see them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > joy from the rare instance when I can capture an eagle in flight, > especially from above. It's that fleeting moment in time that you captured so well is what makes your eagle picture stand out. > As for the eagle shot in question, I liked it a lot even though it is > heavily oversharpened. Possibly so, but I'm sure he has the RAW image and can correct this if needed. As it is, I'll bet it will make a spectacular print. > But it was a great capture. PW's point was that you can expect to get > great captures when you're shooting fish in a barrel or birds that > can't fly off. No argument since this is my point as well. Rita >> Probably so, but you have to admit he nailed the light correctly and >> was able to get perfect balance between subject and background. >> This great photo definitely trumps the one a gentleman in here >> posted a while black claiming his bird shot was in the wild and that >> he had to run back to his house and get the camera. Now, that's how >> you take a bird shot, Mark. OK, dumb-a.s (Rita), next time I happen upon a "wild" bird, I'll tether him at the foot, and carry him to a mild lighting situation where the background isn't 6 or 7+ stops brighter than the subject. > There is something to be said for the satisfaction gained by shooting > birds in the wild, especially when you have to climb a tree with all [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > joy from the rare instance when I can capture an eagle in flight, > especially from above. Exactly. I captured the bird under extremely poor lighting conditions. When you do that, the image is going to be compromised. Nothing new there. In that circumstance, you do what you can. The background in my scene was EXTREMELY bright, and my subject was EXTREMELY dark. You do what you can, even if it isn't ideal. This shot is compromised due to heavy flash compensation for the entirely dark bird against a mid-day, cloudless, bright beach-sand background: http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/66716142/original But the alternative was a hopelessly blown-out background, which would have been even worse. > As for the eagle shot in question, I liked it a lot even though it is > heavily oversharpened. > But it was a great capture. PW's point was that you can expect to get > great captures when you're shooting fish in a barrel or birds that > can't fly off. Bingo. Rita continues to contend that my shot should look like it was shot in a studio, under controlled conditions. -Welcome to the real world, Rita. Some of your (Bret) macro shots are clearly sharpened to an extent that isn't ideal BUT...these shots remain for content and the opportunity/experience they reflect. They remain interesting because of WHAT you captured...despite the fact that there may be imperfections and compromises. Rita would likely SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>> Probably so, but you have to admit he nailed the light correctly and >>> was able to get perfect balance between subject and background. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > tether him at the foot, and carry him to a mild lighting situation > where the background isn't 6 or 7+ stops brighter than the subject. LOL! Such a hostile child you must be! Proper fill flash would have totally and fully eliminated all these "lighting" problems you claim to have had. Of course it was you that bragged at how long the bird was staying put for you. Of course it was you bragging at how close you got to the bird within feet. And after picking your a.s for three hours and countless shutter release you haven't squeezed off a decent shot. Shame on you! For Christ's sake, you could have ran home and brought back studio lighting and softboxes in all that time you had. Sorry, I smell bullshit here. > Bingo. Rita continues to contend that my shot should look like it > was shot in a studio, under controlled conditions. -Welcome to the > real world, Rita. sh.t! Give me three hours with a "wild" bird that isn't going to fly off and I'll not only give you great shots, I'll stuff and cook the damn thing. But, the sad part about all this is that we both know you have me killfiled and you're not going to see my posts and defend yourself. Yeah, right. Rita >>>> Probably so, but you have to admit he nailed the light correctly and >>>> was able to get perfect balance between subject and background. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > But, the sad part about all this is that we both know you have me killfiled > and you're not going to see my posts and defend yourself. Yeah, right. As a courtesy to you both, here it is reposted. As a courtesy to the NG, either one could ignore the other. Yeah, as if... john >>>>> Probably so, but you have to admit he nailed the light correctly >>>>> and was able to get perfect balance between subject and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Yeah, as if... Well contrary to Rita's delusion, he really is in my klink file, and I ONLY see him via posts like this. It's amazing to me how he remains fixated on my Hawk pictures, to the point of continued obsession months later. If photography is about creating a reaction in the viewer, they must be the best in history--judging by Rita's uncontrollable foaming at the mouth... SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > Well contrary to Rita's delusion, he really is in my klink file, and > I ONLY see him via posts like this. Right! I know it must be true since you have to keep reminding everyone about it. > It's amazing to me how he remains fixated on my Hawk pictures, to the > point of continued obsession months later. If photography is about > creating a reaction in the viewer, they must be the best in > history--judging by Rita's uncontrollable foaming at the mouth... LOL! Please don't flatter yourself. My only "fixation" with you is making you dance on my command and watching how you continually make an a.s out of yourself. But, then again, come to think of it, you really don't need my help to make an a.s out of yourself. Rita > > Well contrary to Rita's delusion, he really is in my klink file, and > > I ONLY see him via posts like this. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > yourself. But, then again, come to think of it, you really don't need my > help to make an a.s out of yourself. There's a new dance called "The Mark Morgan" - it's very similar to shoving your head up your a.s and shouting "Troll! Troll!". One thing you learn quickly about the inventor of this dance is that He is NEVER wrong. He must be the life of the party wherever he goes. > As a courtesy to you both, here it is reposted. > As a courtesy to the NG, either one could ignore the other. > > Yeah, as if... Yeah, as if I really need your help to make Mark dance on command. He sees all my posts. Rita >> ...... I've seen. >> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3467631 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > captive bird shot. > Light is coming up from underneath the bird... This appears to be a zoo photo. It's a really good portrait. I might not have cropped quite so close, but that's personal preference. You can get a lot of fairly good bald eagle *portraits* at quite a few zoos. Most of the birds there will be injured and not able to fend for themselves in the wild. Habitats should be set up so there's some chance of making it appear to be in a natural setting. Just Google "Raptor Center" or "Raptor Rehabilitation" and then do a sub-search (search within the results) for your own state (in the US) or your country if outside. In NC where I live, there's a Raptor Center in Charlotte, Grandfather Mountain has bald eagles, and there's several other licensed raptor rehabilitators around the state. I'm still working on getting a good *in the wild* bald eagle shot. The few I have aren't very good, although I do have a couple that come close from a trip down to the Everglades in 2005. >>> ...... I've seen. >>> http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3467631 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > themselves in the wild. Habitats should be set up so there's some chance > of making it appear to be in a natural setting. With Photoshop, you should be able to put your bird in any setting you please....... >Based on the lighting, this appears to be > a studio shot, or at least a captive bird > shot. >Light is coming up from underneath the > bird... I think the lighting is what makes this photo so great. I've seen more dramatic bird shots, but none so well lit. Cody, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15922717/ http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks >> Based on the lighting, this appears to be >> a studio shot, or at least a captive bird [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I think the lighting is what makes this photo so great. I've seen more > dramatic bird shots, but none so well lit. I agree that the lighting makes the shot, as general shots go. I'm just noting that one reason you don't see many eagle shots like this is because wild eagles aren't tethered by the leg to wait around for studio lighting. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > ...... I've seen. > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3467631 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://community-2.webtv.net/AnOvercomer02/PhotographyLinks http://www.sophie.org.uk/Favourites/IMGP0931.JPG http://www.sophie.org.uk/ |
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