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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / November 2006WHAT'S UP WITH THE 20D?
A few I took today: http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671264/original http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671265 http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671266 > A few I took today: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671266 AKA Ugliest Dogs In the World >> A few I took today: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > AKA Ugliest Dogs In the World http://static.flickr.com/28/48793366_039e6b2384_o.jpg SNIP >> AKA Ugliest Dogs In the World > > http://static.flickr.com/28/48793366_039e6b2384_o.jpg But then that is still its photogenic side ...  SignatureBart > SNIP > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But then that is still its photogenic side ... It's true; grotesque from any angle. http://static.flickr.com/29/37653293_866eb45f4d_o.jpg SignatureFrank ess >> SNIP >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It's true; grotesque from any angle. > http://static.flickr.com/29/37653293_866eb45f4d_o.jpg Those scruffy-looking pooches have NOTHING on this little beast (see below) I saw this little guy on Leno or Letterman (can't remember which), and he's as close as I've ever seen to an animal that not only LOOKED demon-posessed...but also ACTED demon-posessed! He'd growl if anything got near it...was blind...and possibly deaf, but I can't remember. It really was creepy looking... http://happymills.blogspot.com/2005/07/ugliest-dog-award.html >>> SNIP >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > It really was creepy looking... > http://happymills.blogspot.com/2005/07/ugliest-dog-award.html Here's a better pic: http://www.lulu.com/samdog Yikes!! Straight from the pit of Hell! SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>>> SNIP >>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Yikes!! Straight from the pit of Hell! OK. Here's a video of him: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VnOVAXJ3Xlw SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>>>> SNIP >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > OK. Here's a video of him: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=VnOVAXJ3Xlw Sam expired a few months ago. One of his offspring is following in his footsteps, I understand. SignatureFrank ess >> A few I took today: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > AKA Ugliest Dogs In the World AKA Pug Ugly SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > AKA Ugliest Dogs In the World > > > AKA Pug Ugly Agreed. And when my sis brings all her pugs over it's "Ugly x 5." > A few I took today: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671266 I'm not a fan of bulldogs, but I admire your images. Don't stop posting. Colin D. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> A few I took today: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > posting. > Colin D. Those aren't bulldogs... they are pugs. :) But speaking of bulldogs... Here's my 91 year old grandmothing (who still has a great sense of humor) doing her impression of a bulldog today at the Thanksgiving dinner able... -She had brought fake "bubba teeth" with her to the gathering, and walked in without her uppers...instead replacing them with these things. :) -I hope I can still laugh and carry on like that when I'm 91... Heeeeeeeeeeere's GRANNY! http://upload.pbase.com/image/70680032/original and http://upload.pbase.com/markuson/image/70680035/original it gets worse... http://upload.pbase.com/markuson/image/70680034/original And finally...the REAL Granny we know and love... (with her 85 year old brother) http://upload.pbase.com/markuson/image/70680031/original -Mark² SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >She had brought fake "bubba teeth" with her to the gathering, ROTFL Thanks Mark. And thank Granny, too. Cheers, DuncanC >>> A few I took today: >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Those aren't bulldogs... they are pugs. > :) Ah, well, you can see I don't know much about dogs, 'cept those don't look much like our erstwhile lab/collie cross. > But speaking of bulldogs... > Here's my 91 year old grandmothing (who still has a great sense of humor) [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -Mark² Great shots. Not many ladies would allow you to take those! Colin D. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> A few I took today: >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > -Mark² I'm glad you didn't post those *before* I had Thanksgiving dinner. >>>> A few I took today: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > I'm glad you didn't post those *before* I had Thanksgiving dinner. Ya, they're aren't exactly apetizing... But that's my crazy granny... :) SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > A few I took today: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671266 I don't get it. At risk of being accused of Bret bashing, I cannot see the artistic merit in these photos. Unless they were my dogs I cannot see any reason why I'd pay any more attention than a cursory glance at these snapshots. Beautifully (auto)exposed and (auto)focussed though they are, and nicely framed. What is so great though? I know the horses for courses argument, but for the same reason I don't want to see a commercial photographer's thousand pictures of moodily lit toasters, I can't find any reason to look at it other than curiosity when the link is posted. Is there a narrative that accompanies the image, as it sure doesn't create one of its own. Sorry, Bret, I really do like some of your images, even if you do attribute all the skill to the 20D. But some, like this, are really just perfectly focused and exposed snapshots. >> A few I took today: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > cannot see any reason why I'd pay any more attention than a cursory > glance at these snapshots. I think it time you loosen up and take life less seriously and enjoy it. They are fun shots that Bret was very successful of capturing that exact moment in time. Who cares about "artistic merit" or following the "rules" for a "perfect" picture? The first one surely made you laugh? How about a hound with dentures? Do you think that would be funny? If so, try this. http://www.geocities.com/ritaberk2006/dentures.htm It's all about the moment and nothing else really matters. Rita >>> A few I took today: >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > moment in time. Who cares about "artistic merit" or following the "rules" > for a "perfect" picture? The first one surely made you laugh? Perhaps. Maybe I turn up at work in the morning and take the frustration of rush-hour traffic out on people in here. I can't see them. > How about a hound with dentures? Do you think that would be funny? If so, > try this. > > http://www.geocities.com/ritaberk2006/dentures.htm Yeah OK. Technically a hound without dentures ;-) > It's all about the moment and nothing else really matters. Fair enough. >>> A few I took today: >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > moment in time. Who cares about "artistic merit" or following the "rules" > for a "perfect" picture? The first one surely made you laugh? Well, Bret does hype them as demonstrating the superiority of his photographic skills. Given all the self congratulation and hyper promotion that accompanies Bret's postings, I think questions of artistic merit are well warranted. THE FALL OF THE 20D!!! 20D NAILS IT! 20D GOES LONG! 20D NEVER STRIKES OUT! WHAT'S UP WITH THE 20D? SELENOGRAPHERS LOVE THE 20D!!! BLOODSUCKERS LOVE THE 20D!!! THE 20D SWIMS WITH THE FISHES!!! 20D MAKES A BIG SPLASH!!! BIG BIRDS LOVE THE 20D! YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM THE 20D! DON'T TURN YOUR BACK ON THE 20D! FLASHERS LOVE THE 20D! THE UPPER CRUST LOVES THE 20D! TINY BUBBLES LOVE THE 20D! RED-SHOULDERS LOVE THE 20D! 20D LIKES IT HOT! 20D GETS EXTREME!!! GETTIN SNEAKY WITH THE 20D! I could go on (and on, and on, and on, and on) ... But you get the idea the camera is the brains behind the operation and Bret's just there to chauffeur it around from location to location. For all the hype, it rare indeed for Bret to post anything better than a snapshot. > Given all the self congratulation and hyper promotion that accompanies > Bret's postings, I think questions of artistic merit are well [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > For all the hype, it rare indeed for Bret to post anything better > than a snapshot. That's just schtick... Clearly it's working, because you keep clicking on his links... SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >> Given all the self congratulation and hyper promotion that accompanies >> Bret's postings, I think questions of artistic merit are well [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > That's just schtick... Clearly it's working, because you keep clicking on > his links... Actually, I rarely click on his links anymore. I rarely do more than click "mark thread read" ... had some time to kill this time. > Actually, I rarely click on his links anymore. I rarely do more than click > "mark thread read" ... had some time to kill this time. I always click on Bret's links.....I am waiting for that wonderful picture of Spike without his nail, and all those pictures of the Great Smokies where my father was born and raised.....In a way, his photos are a link to my past........ > Given all the self congratulation and hyper promotion that accompanies > Bret's postings, I think questions of artistic merit are well warranted. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I could go on (and on, and on, and on, and on) ... Ain't no filler, every one's a killer! > I could go on (and on, and on, and on, and on) ... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > For all the hype, it rare indeed for Bret to post anything better > than a snapshot. Spike a snapshot? You simple don't have an eye for great photography. Rita > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671264/original > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Beautifully (auto)exposed and (auto)focussed though they are, and nicely > framed. What is so great though? Perhaps I was merely attempting to show off the 20D's awesome ability to autofocus and autoexpose? The first shot ("What's Up?") was a particularly difficult exposure situation with dark shade mixed with bright sunlight. > Perhaps I was merely attempting to show off the 20D's awesome ability > to autofocus and autoexpose? The first shot ("What's Up?") was a > particularly difficult exposure situation with dark shade mixed with > bright sunlight. Awesome! Demonstrated perfectly. > Sorry, Bret, I really do like some of your images, even if you do attribute > all the skill to the 20D. No need to apologize to me. I can take whatever criticisms you can dish out. Hell, I welcome them! That's how you get better. Keep the critiques coming! > But some, like this, are really just perfectly focused and exposed snapshots. Yeah, sometimes that's all you're gonna get. But it is nice to know that with the proper equipment even your quick grab shots have a good chance of being perfectly focused and nicely exposed. That, to me, is the true value of good equipment. It is very easy to get good results with even the cheapest equipment given controlled situations and perfect lighting. But not many of us shoot in a studio. When you're on the move and shooting in poorly lit rooms or outside in mixed lighting, you want equipment that will let you get the most out of the scene. With my 20D, for example, I know I can take shots like this at ISO 1600 without worrying about grain or noise. http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671265 This also answers your question of why I post photos in an equipment newsgroup. Isn't the purpose of equipment to take photos? How better to show the value of good equipment that with some examples? It also answers the unasked question of why I take pics ... to share with others. >> A few I took today: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > attribute all the skill to the 20D. But some, like this, are really just > perfectly focused and exposed snapshots. And what else do you want....."Perfectly exposed snapshots" are what it's all about. Some like insects, some flowers, some animals or birds, some architecture, some landscapes, some street scenes, and some surreal "artsy" creations....There is no way to please everybody. When you get right down to it, they are all, "perfectly exposed (or not) snapshots"........ >> A few I took today: >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > attribute all the skill to the 20D. But some, like this, are really just > perfectly focused and exposed snapshots. I think there's a little bit more to it than that, Richard. Anni's shots are not 'pictorial' or 'artistic' (or meant to be) but they are very well exposed and focused, even if automatically so, and the framing is generally well done. Snapshots in the usual meaning of the word, are usually badly framed, subject(s) not at its/their best - or the shot is badly timed. Bret's shots usually display good timing, capturing the subject in an engaging manner - witness the series on Spike, f'rinstance. I feel I know that damn bird as well as if he was on our waterway here. It takes more than a snapshot to do that. Colin D. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Bret's shots usually display good timing, capturing the > subject in an engaging manner - witness the series on Spike, > f'rinstance. I feel I know that damn bird as well as if he was on our > waterway here. It takes more than a snapshot to do that. The timing of the shots and he capturing of the moment was the easy part. The hard part was getting that damn nail in his neck. Those suckers bite! Actually, Spike and I share some similar attributes. We're both pains in the neck, but you'll all miss us both when we're gone. > I think there's a little bit more to it than that, Richard. Anni's > shots are not 'pictorial' or 'artistic' (or meant to be) but they are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > f'rinstance. I feel I know that damn bird as well as if he was on our > waterway here. It takes more than a snapshot to do that. Ok point taken. Any recommendations as to suitable knee-jerk damping material to help me deal with subject lines such as "XXX JUST LURVES THE 20D"? ;-) >> I think there's a little bit more to it than that, Richard. Anni's >> shots are not 'pictorial' or 'artistic' (or meant to be) but they are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > ;-) Well, Bret is a natural extrovert, and extroverts are a little inclined to rub introverts the wrong way now and then. Just grin at the exhibitionism, look at the shots, and think to yourself "Could I have done that?" My own honest answer is probably not - at least for some of his shots, anyway. He seems fortunate to live in a part of the world where birds like Spike and others dwell, and where shots from Lookout Point are breathtaking, and deer appear within lens range of the road. But then I think, "There must be something around my part of the world that's as interesting, though our birds are usually sparrows and thrushes, and probably our biggest bird is a seagull of some sort, or a duck (with no nail), and our native bush is evergreen, no fall colors to speak of. Even cheerleaders are scarce, and usually wear trousers or short pants {:-( Maybe I just haven't yet learned to see beyond the ordinary. {:-( again. A quote from Edward Weston's daybooks: "Anything that excites me, for any reason, I will photograph; not searching for unusual subject matter, but rather making the commonplace unusual; nor indulging in extraordinary technique to attract attention. Work ... honestly. Then so-called 'composition' becomes a personal thing, to be developed along with technique as a personal way of seeing." At the risk of being ridiculed by some who will not understand, I will state that I think Bret is following that path, and is ahead of me. Colin D. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > A quote from Edward Weston's daybooks: > "Anything that excites me, for any reason, I will photograph; not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > At the risk of being ridiculed by some who will not understand, I will > state that I think Bret is following that path, and is ahead of me. I've never read that until now, but it does describe exactly what I try to do. Trying to make something interesting from something commonplace ( a clump of mushrooms, for example) is where things get interesting. One way to expand your horizons is to get a good macro lens. A macro will open up whole new worlds close to you, even in your own back yard. This way you'll always have something interesting to photograph once you've photographed all the mountains, streams, sunsets, and wildlife (including cheerleaders) in your area. >>> I think there's a little bit more to it than that, Richard. Anni's >>> shots are not 'pictorial' or 'artistic' (or meant to be) but they [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Colin D. I give Bret a lot of credit for the simple fact that he seems to shoot SOMETHING...every...single...chance...he...gets. He's clearly enjoying his photography more than most around here seem to. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > I give Bret a lot of credit for the simple fact that he seems to shoot > SOMETHING...every...single...chance...he...gets. He's clearly enjoying his > photography more than most around here seem to. You got that right! My only frustrations are when I come up against the limitations of my equipment. Anyway, here's today's catch: http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810705 http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810706 >> I give Bret a lot of credit for the simple fact that he seems to shoot >> SOMETHING...every...single...chance...he...gets. He's clearly enjoying his [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810705 > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810706 How much of a crop on the Eagle? Great pose, tho. Did you forget to turn ISO down after a previous shoot as I do too often?? -- john mcwilliams > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810705 > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810706 > > How much of a crop on the Eagle? Great pose, tho. Did you forget to turn > ISO down after a previous shoot as I do too often?? The full frame looked like this: http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70813018 I purposely kept the ISO high, going for max shutter speed. I did forget to stop down a stop or two, however. >>> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810705 >>> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810706 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I purposely kept the ISO high, going for max shutter speed. I did > forget to stop down a stop or two, however. I think you'd have been better off at ISO 200 with ƒ8 and slightly slower shutter. Less noise. Or used more fill flash. <s> SignatureJohn McWilliams >> > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810705 >> > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810706 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I purposely kept the ISO high, going for max shutter speed. I did >forget to stop down a stop or two, however. It does look surprisingly grainy at that ISO though SignatureKen Tough > You got that right! My only frustrations are when I come up against > the limitations of my equipment. Anyway, here's today's catch: > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810705 > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70810706 Nice job! I agree that they just don't put enough "mm" in these new fangled lenses. Rita >Any recommendations as to suitable knee-jerk damping material to help me >deal with subject lines such as "XXX JUST LURVES THE 20D"? Grumpy old gits love the 20 D-? SignatureKen Tough > A few I took today: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671266 Very nice shots indeed, especially in difficult lighting. You've come a long way with your b&w work! Helen > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671265 > > Very nice shots indeed, especially in difficult lighting. You've come > a long way with your b&w work! I am romantic. What can I say? > > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671265 > > > > Very nice shots indeed, especially in difficult lighting. You've come > > a long way with your b&w work! > > I am romantic. What can I say? That's why chicks dig you! Lol. >A few I took today: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/70671266 Which one are you? |
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